Interviews with Bobby Fischer, 1999–2006

5 Manila, Philippines, March 10, 1999 ↑

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[This interview is broadcast on DZSR Sports Radio 918, Manila. The hosts are Romy Quintanar (sports radio chess analyst) and GM Eugene Torre. Bobby Ang (chess website operator) is also present. Bobby Fischer is on the phone from Budapest, Hungary. It is the day after Fischer’s 56th birthday.]

00:04 Announcer World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer, direct from Budapest, Hungary. The interview will be conducted by the very first Asian Grandmaster, our very own Eugene Torre, and the original man on the ball, Mr. Romy Quintanar.

00:43 Quintanar And oh, if Elvis were here, he would be something else. He would be tickled pink, because he’s the king of rock and roll, and this morning, for the rest of the morning, we are going to have another king—the king of chess. For the first time on DZSR, not in Europe, not in the States, only on DZSR! We are going to have Robert James Fischer, World Chess King, also known as Bobby Fischer. You know him, of course. A very pleasant good morning to you all. This is your chess mate, Romy Quintanar, and welcome again, sports fans. Robert James Fischer will be with us for the rest of the morning, and with me, of course, the first Asian Grandmaster, the handsome, the idol—Eugene Torre.

01:50 Torre Good morning, Romy. You know, Romy Quintanar is the first Filipino tournament-rated radio-TV chess analyst, starting 1973. Right, Romy?

01:58 Quintanar Yes. OK, so good morning to everybody and to all our listeners. And Bobby Ang here is the foremost chess computer expert, you know, and also has internet connections and café and everything. So if you talk about computers, Bobby Ang is the best. Anyway—

02:43 Torre Yeah, Bobby should be around. Hello, Bobby? Bobby?

02:52 Fischer Hello? Can you hear me?

02:55 Torre I can hear you. Hello?

03:05 Quintanar Wait, wait, wait—can you hear me now?

03:07 Fischer Now I hear you. Yeah. Good.

03:12 Torre Now, Bobby, I’m with Romy Quintanar here. He’s the first Filipino tournament-rated radio-TV chess analyst starting 1973. And of course, I am here with Bobby Ang. Okay, Bobby?

03:30 Fischer Okay. You hear me? I hear you, yeah.

03:33 Torre Okay. Now I want to greet you, of course. First of all, happy birthday, Bobby.

03:37 Fischer Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.

03:43 Quintanar Bobby? Yeah. Romy Quintanar, Bob. We met several times before, way back in the ’70s. I don’t know if you remember me.

03:54 Fischer You have to jog my memory, you know.

03:59 Quintanar Because the first time we met was at the party given in your honour by President Marcos in Malacañang Palace. If you remember, Campomanes was with us and all the grandmasters at the time. And also, when you came here in ’76, if you remember—

04:26 You remember, Bob?

04:29 Fischer Hello? Do you remember? Yes. I remember that. If the Mrs. Marcos was there, but President Marcos was not there. Right?

04:39 Quintanar No, he was there with us. As a matter of fact, they were dancing. Anyway, Bob, I remember that President Marcos offered you his presidential plane and yacht at that time. Were you able to use them?

04:52 Fischer Was that ’76 or ’73?

04:54 Quintanar It was ’73, Bob, during the international tournament, when you were the guest during the opening ceremonies.

05:02 Fischer I was on his yacht one night. And—I don’t know about his plane. I think I went somewhere on a plane.

05:12 Quintanar I think you went to the Rice Terraces, the eighth wonder of the world.

05:15 Fischer Yeah, the Rice Terraces. Yes, I think so.

05:18 Torre Yeah. By the way, happy birthday again. Happy birthday, Bob. Okay.

05:23 Fischer Thanks. How does it feel to be 56? It’s okay.

05:33 Quintanar I’d like to tell you, Bob, the entire nation, the entire Filipino people is listening to us right now, and all your friends and admirers out there in the country and also some parts of Asia are listening to us right now. So will you please greet them?

05:55 Torre Please greet the listeners right now. They’ve been waiting for you.

05:59 Fischer I’m very happy to be on the air and to say hello to all my friends in the Philippines. I always had a nice time when I went there, and it’s a very special country for me. Thank you.

06:21 Quintanar As a matter of fact, Eugene and I are looking at some of your pictures here. We have a picture of you on television with Campomanes. Do you remember this, Bobby, when you played blitz with Campo on television?

06:34 Fischer Yeah, yeah.

06:35 Quintanar That’s right. And we have here also a picture of you and Eugene and Balinas. You know what happened to Grandmaster Balinas last year? He passed away, Bobby.

06:45 Fischer Yeah, yeah.

06:46 Quintanar Because of cancer. And well, Bob, we have a lot to talk about. I mean, in 1973 I told you I had replayed and analysed all your games, all your games. And if you remember, I asked you what your favourite game was in the first match with Boris Spassky, and you told me that it was the fifth game, where you gave him a double pawn. Was that with the Nimzo-Indian?

07:14 Fischer Yeah, Nimzo-Indian. Yes.

07:18 Quintanar Bishop, yes.

07:19 Fischer Yes, that’s right. That’s right.

[Spassky (White) vs Fischer (Black), World Championship Match 1972, game 5, Reykjav\’ik, 20 July 1972 (Nimzo-Indian, H\"ubner Variation E41)—position after White’s 6. Bd3, Black to move. Fischer’s “favourite game from the first match” per Quintanar above. Fischer played 6… Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 (giving Spassky the doubled c-pawns Quintanar mentions) and went on to win in 27 moves. The H\"ubner pawn structure—White’s static c4/c3 doubled pawns blockaded by Black’s c5—is the strategic theme: Black’s bishop pair compensates for the pawn structure, and White’s c-pawns become permanent weaknesses. Spassky resigned after Fischer’s 27… Bxa4 won material in the resulting position. This was Fischer’s second win of the match (after winning game 3 and drawing game 4), bringing the score level at 2½–2½.]

07:21 Quintanar Yep. That was the first match. But, Bobby, I must congratulate you for the ’92 return match, especially the first game, Bob, because that was the Ruy Lopez, and everybody was shocked. Everybody—you shocked the world, Bob, because you had not played for twenty years.

08:03 Fischer And that was a real game, by the way. All those games were real.

08:07 Quintanar Yes. And Bobby, particularly—Eugene and I were talking about your manoeuvre in the Ruy Lopez, in the first game against Spassky in the return match, with your Knight f1, your plan Knight f1–d2–b1–a3 to capture the pawn. The Informator gave that manoeuvre only one exclamation mark, believe it or not.

[Fischer (White) vs Spassky (Black), Sveti Stefan / Belgrade Match 1992, game 1, 2 September 1992 (Ruy Lopez, Closed C95)—position after Black’s 26… Qe8, White to move, immediately before the four-move knight regrouping Quintanar describes above. From this position Fischer played 27. Nf1 (the g3-knight retreats to f1) 28. N1d2 (continues to d2) 29. Nb1 (one more step back, intending Na3 next to attack b5) Nxe4! (Spassky’s piece sacrifice—knight gives itself up for the e4 pawn to break the queenside bind) 30. Bxe4 f5 31. Bc2 Bxd5 (Spassky recovers a second pawn with the bishop, getting two central pawns for the knight, as Fischer remembers above). The whole knight maneuver Nf1-d2-b1(-a3) is a famous strategic plan from the closed Ruy Lopez: the b1 knight reroutes to a3 to attack the queenside, here threatening to win the b5 pawn after a future Na3. Fischer played 32. axb5 axb5 33. Ra7 and eventually won at move 49, breaking his 20-year competitive silence in style.]

08:27 Fischer Yeah.

08:31 Quintanar The Informator—

08:33 Fischer They wouldn’t give that manoeuvre but one exclamation mark.

08:36 Quintanar I would give you three exclamation marks, Bobby.

08:39 Fischer Everybody else did, but the Informator didn’t want to give it any exclamation marks.

08:41 Quintanar Yeah. I saw your game in the Informator. It didn’t have anything.

08:45 Fischer They didn’t want me to get the best game of that issue. Later on, when the people voted—so this was the cue for me not to get the best game of the Informator. You understand?

08:56 They gave it to a prearranged game between Karpov and Shirov instead.

09:05 Quintanar Bob, I would like to ask you this. And actually, Eugene was amused when I asked this question, because in that particular situation, Boris Spassky played Bishop d5. He sacrificed his bishop. And was that his only option, Bobby, to complicate matters since he was getting squeezed?

09:25 Fischer Wait a second. He played Knight takes d5, I think.

09:28 Quintanar No, was it Knight? I thought it was Bishop.

09:30 Fischer Oh, was it Knight takes d4? Oh, Knight. I see. Okay. Maybe Knight takes—let me think. Anyway, he sacrificed a piece for my two central pawns there.

09:39 Quintanar Yeah. To complicate, because he would have lost otherwise?

09:42 Fischer Right. He was getting squeezed. He was busted already.

09:46 Quintanar But, you know, you had your brilliant piece play—the Knight on the rim, where in the middle of the board. And well, that was just typical Bobby.

10:00 Bobby, at this point, may I ask you something about the Ruy Lopez? Because all your games before—

10:16 Fischer As white? Yes. Well, if I could just interrupt you, I wanted to say something about these games. One of the reasons the goddamn Jews hate me so much is because all my games are real. That’s okay. Nothing is prearranged. It’s all over the board. And if I play great, I play great. If I blunder my queen or walk into a mate in two, that’s real, you know? Not like the goddamn Russian Jewish players—it’s all staged. Okay? Let me get that on the record. Go ahead. What was your question specifically again?

10:53 Quintanar Well, I wanted to hear from you, just a few words, on your basic philosophy on the Ruy Lopez, because you handled it so well as White.

11:19 Fischer Well, you know, I’m finished with the old chess because it’s all just a lot of book and memorisation. You know? It’s hard to say, because there’s so many different variations, you know.

11:38 Quintanar When you played it, you’ve had king-side action, you’ve had centre action, you’ve had queen-side action. You have mastered it so well, Bob.

11:47 Fischer Yeah. Well—

11:49 Quintanar Well, now that you mentioned all this about classical chess, you know, I played a few games of Fischer Random chess with Eugene, and it’s wonderful, Bobby.

12:00 Fischer Oh, thank you.

12:01 Quintanar It’s great, and it eliminates all the prepared variations for the opening, and so you’re on your own.

12:09 Bobby, what do you plan about Random Chess? It’s so good. It has to be promoted somewhere.

12:14 Fischer Yeah, it does. It does. And, you know, if it wasn’t for these goddamn Jews persecuting me, I would be doing so many great things. But these goddamn Jews are persecuting me. They want to put me in prison for ten years, and they’ve forged My 60 Memorable Games. They’ve robbed all my stuff now in storage. They’re lying about me continuously. They have violated my United States patent for my new chess clock. They’re selling this chess clock—also even put my name on the clock itself with this Fischer chess clock.

12:55 Quintanar You mean you don’t have any royalty from the chess clocks?

12:58 Fischer No. Look, I get no royalties for this Fischer chess clock. I get no royalties for My 60 Memorable Games.

13:03 Quintanar How can that be? That’s too unfair.

13:09 Fischer The fucking Jews are in control. That’s as simple as that.

13:12 Quintanar Hey, Bobby, you know, talking about—well, we’ll go back to Random Chess later, but you mentioned the Memorable Games, because way back in the ’70s I’d memorised all of that. And you just showed me something yesterday—

13:42 Fischer Right. I think this is a vicious book. You’re talking about the Batsford book. Yes? This is the most—you know, this shows hatred that the Jews have for me, that they have gone through this book line by line, looking for ways to screw me, to falsify it, to make me look bad. I mean, this is really unheard of. I really believe that they are out to get me in any goddamn way they can.

14:25 Quintanar So now, like, for example, in this case, Bob—well, that was atrocious. That is really brazen. That is to put you down. Now, what can you do in this instance?

14:37 Fischer This is absolutely the worst, but that’s not the only change they’ve made. They’ve gone through this book—they have made thousands upon thousands of changes. It’s not just some small thing.

15:02 Quintanar And you can’t do anything about it?

15:04 Fischer Against the Jews? I can only expose them. You have to understand the political situation. The Jews have practically set up a world dictatorship already, you know.

15:15 Quintanar And that’s only as far as the Memorable Games are concerned. Anyway, Bobby—oh, yes, Eugene, go ahead.

15:22 Torre Yeah. It’s very funny, you know—when I was showing this analysis of yours, I mean the changed analysis they had with you, with Bolbochán—yesterday again, I laughed again, because I saw the two kings were in check, you know? The one with the Queen on g8—

15:50 Fischer Hello? Yeah, yeah.

15:56 Torre Yeah. A little problem with the line, you know. It’s okay, Bob. Go ahead.

15:59 Fischer Yeah. No, they did that on purpose. Batsford did that on purpose. They’re claiming that it was an honest mistake, but it was deliberate. They went through this book making countless other changes. There’s no way that was an honest mistake. No way. And Batsford—it’s all Jewish, by the way.

16:15 If you look at the five people who were credited with coming out with this Batsford edition of My 60 Memorable Games, supposedly by Bobby Fischer—there are five people. One of them is Graham Burgess. Another one is John Nunn. Another is Raymond Keene. Another is Jon Speelman. And the fifth is Mark Dvoretsky.

16:40 Hello? Eugene?

17:09 Torre The last one. Yeah.

17:12 Fischer No. Keene is known to be a Jew. Speelman is known to be a Jew. Dvoretsky is definitely a Jew. His full name is Mark Izrailovich Dvoretsky, so there’s no doubt he’s a Jew. Now the other two, John Nunn and Graham Burgess, I don’t have any hard information on them. I know that Nunn’s brother’s name is, I think his name is David, and I’m sure he’s a goddamn Jew too. And probably Burgess is a goddamn Jew too. I think everybody up there at Batsford is a Jew. In any event, three out of five, that’s the majority. Right? Three out of five people, you know, reworked my book to make me look like a fool, like a horse’s ass.

18:12 Quintanar Bobby, regarding this—in your game number 20, you mentioned this move. In your original book, you said “White has a strategically won game.” And you know what they wrote here? They wrote “White’s has a strategically won game.”

18:43 Fischer “White’s has”—that’s not even English. “White’s apostrophe-s has” is not English.

18:54 Quintanar Yeah. Okay, Bob. Going back to the Jews, Bob—since when did you notice this, that they were against you? Since when in your life?

19:05 Fischer Very, very long time. You know, I didn’t fully understand the conspiracy. I knew the Jews were bastards, you know, even as a young boy, but I didn’t fully understand the conspiracy until about 1977, when I read a book called The Secret World Government by Major General Count Cherep-Spiridovich. It’s an old book, written around 1926, but this guy explained it all. I would recommend this book to everyone.

19:48 Fischer Criminal people. They’ve always been a criminal people. They made up the Holocaust. It never happened. They just got their lies. Plus, people don’t know this, but this is an absolute fact—

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00:00 Fischer —murder Christian children for their blood. And they’re doing it even today. They take the—they kill the kids ritually. They drain the blood out of the children while they’re still alive, just the way they like to kill animals. They drain the blood out of the children while the kids are still alive.

00:19 They do the most terrible tortures on, like, the boys. They’ll circumcise the boy, they’ll put a plate of a crown of thorns on his head and then blindfold him, slap him in the face, all, you know, mocking the sufferings of Christ. And after they take all the blood out of the child and he dies, they use this blood for their black magic ceremonies. One of the things they do with this blood is they mix it into the Passover bread. It’s like matzos they make and they eat it. And then so when they celebrate their Passover, they’re eating, you know, the children’s human blood.

00:59 They’re criminal people, Jews. I say this openly. I will emphasise this—they are criminal bastards. What kind of bastards are going to make up a story like the Holocaust that would never happen? All this gas chamber stuff is bullshit. They’re liars.

01:19 Quintanar You know, Bob, probably this is racial prejudice, Bob. Maybe because they know your father was a German scientist.

01:29 Fischer I’m just telling the facts, you know. You can try and put it in any light you want, but these are the facts.

01:42 Quintanar Okay. So, Bobby—just—Gene, go ahead.

01:48 Torre Yeah. Okay. So, Bobby, I’m interested, you know, with this also. You mentioned this game. We’re going back to these 60 Memorable Games. With your game with Rossetto, I remember you said, you know, they changed your comments. In your original book, you said things much better. But in the Batsford edition—

02:28 Fischer Good English? No. It’s terrible. It’s all rubbish, isn’t it?

02:36 Torre Your original comment is better, I mean, to understand.

02:43 Fischer Yeah. No, this is the way a hillbilly would express it, you know. This is very low-class English, you know.

02:51 Torre Oh, how is that? How come they try to put you down with your analysis, you know, and then also somehow mess up your grammar? I don’t understand.

03:12 Fischer The Jews have this intense hatred toward me, you know, because I beat the Jews in chess. And not only did I beat them, but I exposed the Jews as crooks because they’re prearranging their games. I always say this openly right now. Karpov and Kasparov’s games are all prearranged. There’s no doubt about this in my mind. Every single game. These guys are crooks. These Russian Jewish players are crooks.

03:55 Quintanar Hey, Bob. You mentioned—this is Romy again. You mentioned something about the Kasparov–Karpov games. If I remember some years back, you said that you wanted to write a book about it. What happened, Bob?

04:09 Fischer Well, first of all, all my files—I had a huge library of books just on this subject. I had every single game from the 1984–85 match, the first match they played, the first prearranged match they played. And I had extensive analysis on the match, all in my own handwriting.

04:51 I had it in storage, and I was gonna go back there and get it all after my match. But then the US government indicted me and I couldn’t go back to the States to get my stuff.

05:02 Quintanar We also talked about the stuff in the warehouse, in the storage house. Anyway, probably we’ll be back—we’re just going for a station break.

[Station break.]

05:23 Quintanar Alright, Eugene—go ahead.

05:25 Torre Yeah. Bobby?

05:29 Fischer Yeah, I’m here.

05:31 Torre I just want to finish this with the 60 Memorable Games, because it’s incredible what they did there. You mentioned this game—I think with Korchnoi. You know, where they used the word “whilst.”

06:00 Fischer “Whilst.” Yes.

06:04 Torre Rather than “while.”

06:05 Fischer Yeah. Batsford has used this word “whilst” over half a dozen times in their forged book. I never used the word “whilst” once in the genuine edition of My 60 Memorable Games, in the Simon & Schuster edition. I never used that. Americans don’t use that word. It’s almost strictly British nowadays. And I never used it once, and they put it in there having me use it any number of times, stuck it in my mouth, just to make me sound idiotic because Americans don’t talk like that. It’s very un-American.

06:46 Torre And then also, in the back of this Batsford edition, they put: “60 superb games analysed thoroughly and honestly by Fischer himself.” But it seems that it’s not you, you know, in this Batsford edition.

07:12 Fischer Well, they’re trying to impute all of their filthy lies and forgeries to me. They’re trying to rub it in. It’s kind of their way of rubbing it in.

07:22 Torre Yes, yes. And it’s incredible. Because you remember, you mentioned also one game—I think with Reshevsky. I think it’s game 43. And then in the original book, you said something like “after Knight to Queen 5”—which is in algebraic notation Knight d4. Then you said something like, in close parenthesis, “Queen King 2 or pawn Queen B3”, and then comma, “pawn Queen 5”. But you know what they wrote in the Batsford edition? They said “after Knight d4”, and then after this parenthesis they put the moves Qe2—which is okay—and they said 16. Qf3 instead of c3, you know, instead of pawn Queen B3. They put the move Queen f3. That’s incredible, no?

[Fischer (White) vs Reshevsky (Black), US Championship 1962/63, round 5, 22 December 1962 (Sicilian Najdorf B90)—hypothetical position after 15… d5 !?, White to move. This is not the actual game move—Reshevsky played 15… Nd4 in the game—but the alternative analysed in Fischer’s note in My 60 Memorable Games (game 43, “The missing link”), attributed to “A Bulgarian magazine.” From this position Fischer’s note continues: “16. exd5 (if 16. Qe2 or 16. c3, … d4) 16… Bb4 17. c3 (if 17. O-O Nxc2 18. Rab1 O-O foils White) 17… Qc4!”—i.e. Q-K2 or P-QB3 by White answered by P-Q5 (Black’s d5 pawn pushing to d4). The Batsford forgery, per Torre’s reading above, kept Qe2 but replaced c3 with Qf3, breaking the analysis. In the actual game Black played 15… Nd4 instead, and after 16. c3 Nxb3 17. axb3 Qe6 18. Ra5! f6? 19. Qd5! Fischer won.]

08:22 Fischer That’s probably a losing move.

08:26 Torre Did you look at it? It could even be a losing move?

08:30 Fischer Quite possibly lost. Probably quite lost.

08:35 Torre So what they want to show is that you are like a patzer, or, you know, even in your analysis you’re no good?

08:44 Fischer They’re trying to make a fool of me and to discredit me in every way imaginable, you know.

08:51 Torre That’s incredible, Bobby. How can they do that?

08:55 Fischer This is all part of the thing. This is the indictment of me. They say I’m not the world chess champion. They robbed all my stuff in the Bekins storage house in Pasadena. They don’t pay any royalties for the genuine edition of My 60 Memorable Games. They come out with a forged edition, which of course they also don’t pay me for. They’ve come out with an illegal forged CD-ROM, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. Now they’re stealing my patented timing system, my clock timing system.

09:47 There’s one rip-off after another, one robbery after another. You know, up until now, they’ve more or less been satisfied to kind of attack my name, to exploit my name, to violate my rights, to violate my intellectual property rights, to violate my copyrights. But now they’ve gone further. They just went and stole it.

10:21 Torre Okay. We can go back to that, Bobby, but I want to finish mentioning a bit more about these 60 Memorable Games. I remember you mentioned also that in your game with Geller—where actually you lost, game number 58—you said in your original book something like “At long last, I saw the point of Geller’s clever defence.” But in the Batsford edition, they wrote “At long last, I saw the point of Geller’s defence.” But you sound better in your original book. You know? You are magnanimous in defeat. How come they removed this adjective “clever”? I don’t understand.

11:17 Fischer They don’t want me to sound magnanimous. They want people to see me through their eyes. They want to give me the image they project, not the one I genuinely am.

11:34 These are vicious Jews. They are a criminal people. Incredible.

11:40 Torre I mean, it’s unimaginable, in my opinion, the changes they made here. And this is really very funny. I mean, in game 60, I remember you mentioned this, in your game against Stein—in your original book, you wrote “Now the threats are beginning to jell.” But you spell it J-E-L-L, you know. And then you know what they put in the Batsford edition? They wrote “gel,” G-E-L.

[Fischer (White) vs Stein (Black), Sousse Interzonal 1967, round 7, 24 October 1967 (Ruy Lopez, Closed C92)—position after White’s 22. Nfg5, Black to move. This is game 60 in My 60 Memorable Games, “When champions meet.” Fischer’s annotation here is the famous “Now the threats are beginning to jell.” The two White knights now coordinate on the Black kingside: Ne4 covers d6/f6/g5 and supports Ng5; Ng5 threatens Nxf7 / Nxh7 and also helps cover e6 for the e5-pawn push. The Bb1–Qe2 battery aims at h7. Black’s pieces (queen on d8, knights on b4/b6, rooks on a5/f8, bishops on b7/e7) are scattered and uncoordinated. Fischer’s word jell (J-E-L-L, the American spelling, meaning “to come together / take coherent shape”) is precise here—the threats are about to crystallise into Bxh7+, etc. The Batsford forgery replaced it with British “gel” (G-E-L), which Americans associate with hair gel. Fischer (White) won 1–0 in 56 moves.]

13:08 Fischer Yeah, that’s the British spelling.

13:14 Torre Bob, you know, all of these—you are the most written-about chess champion of all time. There are so many books written about you. Now that they have started with My 60 Memorable Games, do you think they will also attempt to discredit the other books?

13:43 Fischer What other books? I don’t know what you mean.

13:45 Torre Because there are so many books about you, Bob, not just My 60 Memorable Games.

13:59 Fischer They will stop at nothing. They’re just unbelievably wicked bastards, criminal people.

14:07 Quintanar Anyway, Bobby, going back to “jell”—here in the Philippines, J-E-L-L is very much used. It means, you know, to come together. Like in basketball here, it’s a very much used word, like “the players are gelling.” But also G-E-L is very well known—like gel, hair gel, or gelatin. I think even one guy here is laughing at the change they made. It’s a little bit ridiculous, no?

14:51 Fischer Beyond me, because they’re putting this in my mouth, you see.

14:54 Quintanar Then you look funny, because at the back of the book they said, “60 superb games analysed thoroughly and honestly by Fischer himself.” Only you, Bobby.

15:06 Fischer Yeah. There you have it. We’re dealing with a criminal people. Lying is the Jews’ stock in trade. Lying, stealing, and murdering. This is what the Jews specialise in.

15:22 Torre Anyway, Bobby, just to finish about the 60 Memorable Games. Even in the original book, right in the very beginning page, you wrote: “My 60 Memorable Games, selected and fully annotated by Bobby Fischer, with introductions to the games by International Grandmaster Larry Evans.” This is Simon & Schuster. But in the Batsford edition, it says just: “My 60 Memorable Games, Bobby Fischer.” No more “selected and fully annotated.” And no more “introductions to the games by International Grandmaster Larry Evans.” That’s quite a difference, no?

16:15 Fischer Right. Right. And this book—I own the copyright to My 60 Memorable Games. I own the copyright. And this is a violation of US law, this Batsford edition of My 60 Memorable Games. But, you know, I have three copies of the Batsford edition. You know where I got them from? They were mailed to me by my friends from the United States. I needed them because I’m studying the book in detail. I’m working on a manuscript. So this book is openly being sold and advertised in the United States. The US government knows it’s completely illegal, but the US government is also controlled by the dirty Jews. And the Jews are out to get me, so they’re letting it go.

16:58 Quintanar Yeah. Well, this is Romy again, Bob. You know, this looks like a reprint, a very poor quality printing, this one that I have here with your picture on it, the cover of this 60 Memorable Games by Batsford. It looks dead.

17:21 Fischer They will—the Jews don’t miss a trick. They don’t miss a trick. And you know what Napoleon said about the Jews? He said all the talent of the Jews is concentrated on predatory acts. See, this is their talent.

17:41 Quintanar Okay. Bobby, can I go back to one of your most brilliant games? I think this is one of your best creations. That brilliant surprise you won in the 1963–64 US Championship, where you won all your games—and you won this against Robert Byrne, which was the Grünfeld, in only twenty-one moves. This is the game where you used the two diagonals—the white-squared and the black-squared diagonals. You had a Rook on the e-file—

[Robert Byrne (White) vs Fischer (Black), US Championship 1963/64, round 3, 18 December 1963—final position after 21… Qd7, at which point Byrne resigned. The game went 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 c6 4. Bg2 d5 5. cxd5 cxd5 6. Nc3 Bg7 7. e3 O-O 8. Nge2 Nc6 9. O-O b6 10. b3 Ba6 11. Ba3 Re8 12. Qd2 e5 13. dxe5 Nxe5 14. Rfd1 Nd3 15. Qc2 Nxf2 16. Kxf2 Ng4+ 17. Kg1 Nxe3 18. Qd2 Nxg2 19. Kxg2 d4 20. Nxd4 Bb7+ 21. Kf1 Qd7 0–1. The variation Fischer reads out below is the line White avoided by resigning: 22. Qf2 Qh3+ 23. Kg1 Re1+ 24. Rxe1 Bxd4 “with mate to follow shortly.” Fischer was awarded the Brilliancy Prize.]

18:39 At what point in the game—since this is a very short game with such a sweeping concept—did you conceive of this grand strategy?

18:51 Fischer Yeah. Before I answer, I just want to mention something that Batsford has gone out of their way to defile this game also in the most vicious way.

19:04 Go to my very last comment of the game.

19:10 Quintanar Last comment of what?

19:11 Fischer Of My 60 Memorable Games. Go to the very last comment of this game with Robert Byrne. Okay? Look in the genuine Simon & Schuster book.

19:23 Quintanar Your last comment here is: “A bitter disappointment. I’d been hoping for—” well, this is the final combination: “Qf2, Qh3 check, Kg1, Re1”—this is what you called the most brilliant stroke of all in the game. And you rated it here, Bobby—Grandmaster Rosolimo and International Master Evans both selected this move—

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[Continuation of the discussion about the Byrne game and the Batsford forgery.]

00:00 Fischer Yeah. I said: “A bitter disappointment. I’d been hoping for Queen–King Bishop 2, Queen–Rook 6 check, King–Knight 1, Rook–Rook 8 check, Rook takes Rook, Bishop takes Knight, with mate to follow shortly.” Now that’s the correct comment, because there is no immediate mate there. When I said “with mate to follow shortly”—that’s right. Now go over to the Batsford book. Look what they did there. They falsified it.

00:44 Quintanar They wrote—

00:46 Fischer “A bitter disappointment.”

00:48 Quintanar It’s the same. “I’d been hoping for Qf2, Qh3 check, Kg1, Re1 double exclamation, Rxe1, Bxd4—with mate to follow.” Without “shortly.” And then also “Knight d5, Qh3 check, Kg1, Bb6—and the curtain comes down.” But they removed your “shortly.”

01:21 Fischer The key is they took out my word “shortly.” You see? They took out my word “shortly.”

01:34 Norte Bobby, this is Yogi. Why did they remove the “shortly”?

01:38 Fischer Because they want to make it look like I thought there’s a mate right there. But there’s not a mate right there. The mate comes, you know, much later, sometime later. “Shortly” means not right away. I deliberately put the word in “shortly,” you see.

02:00 Torre I mean, Bobby, they go that far, you know, in maligning or changing your original writings?

02:08 Fischer They go as far as that. They’re lying bastards. Jews were always lying bastards throughout their history. They’re filthy, dirty, disgusting, vile criminal people.

02:20 Fischer Go ahead, Eugene.

02:24 Torre Oh, no, no. I think Romy was asking about the idea you played with Robert Byrne.

02:36 Quintanar My basic question here, Bob, is: since this is a very short game with a very complicated situation and brilliant strategy, I was thinking—at what point early in the game did you conceive of this? The two diagonals, the Rook on the e-file, and the Knight manoeuvre?

02:59 Fischer It’s not like you see everything. You just have the feeling. No, because you’re getting a lot of activity for your pieces. It’s impossible to see these things to the end. You’re playing pretty much on the basic principles. Of course, there’s a certain amount of calculation, but you can’t calculate these things precisely. Generally, it’s a feeling.

03:26 Torre But you knew that in the position, there was something for you.

03:30 Fischer Yeah. The key move was when I played pawn to King 4.

03:34 Torre Ah, when you broke in the centre? Yeah.

03:37 Fischer Because it’s a risky move—I’m weakening my Queen pawn, you see. But I felt that the activity I was gaining—I explained it in my notes—was worth it. This was the key move. But I didn’t see it to the end, of course.

04:05 Quintanar Okay, Bob, let’s go back to your memorabilia, because the way Eugene explained it to me, it’s terrible the way they raided the storage house and just ransacked everything.

04:21 Fischer Yeah. Can I just make a short little statement about it, to put it in perspective? Take about sixty seconds.

04:26 Quintanar Yes, please. No, take one hundred and twenty.

04:29 Fischer Okay. This is basically a very simple story of three dirty Jews. Naturally, all three dirty Jews are working in full collusion. The first dirty Jew, my agent to pay my bills in the US, Mr. Bob Ellsworth, suddenly stops paying my Pasadena storage bills behind my back. Then, also behind my back, the second dirty Jew, Bekins storage company, says: “Oh, Fischer stopped paying his storage bills for six months. Fischer owes us $480. Fischer has abandoned all his property. All Fischer’s property is ours. We have the right to confiscate Fischer’s stuff.” And behind my back, the dirty Jews at Bekins did just that. The third dirty Jew, the United States government, proclaims: “This is all perfectly legal.” End of story. And of course, as one would expect, the Jew-controlled press and media goes along for the ride.

05:38 Torre Is this why you have these cancelled checks for Bob Ellsworth, for the storage fees?

05:44 Fischer This guy has been paying my bills in the States for years because it was convenient—he lives in Pasadena. I had two P.O. boxes there, he’d pick up my mail, pick up my bills, and he’d pay them. And I was sending him $5,000 a year. These bills that he was paying only came to about $3,000. So he was making $2,000 a year for his trouble. And when he set me up to have my stuff confiscated, working in collusion with Bekins—and I found out recently that I had just sent him about $7,000. This guy is obviously a secret Jew, and he’s a rich guy. He didn’t do this to save money. He did this to screw me. He’s a son of a bitch. He did this on orders from the Jewish world government.

06:43 And this stuff in Bekins—this is the valuable stuff that I’d saved up for decades. There was just everything you can think of in there. Books and magazines, legal files, all my fan mail, all my receipts, all my handwritten notebooks, gold and silver coins, a big powerful 2,000-pound safe with two doors—the outside door was made out of carbide steel, with combination locks and a bank timer. Then two big file cabinets, professional legal file cabinets—and one file cabinet even had a secret built-in safe in the top drawer.

07:33 They have stolen enormous quantities of stuff that is tremendously valuable. A letter from President Nixon, a telegram from President Nixon, a book sent to me by then-former President Nixon, all my stuff from Marcos—his letter inviting me to the Philippines, photo albums, everything.

08:05 I had it in there for twelve years. I paid them over $10,000 in storage fees. $10,000. I was their best customer, probably. $10,000. I got behind six months, $480 apparently, because this Bob Ellsworth was conspiring with Bekins. He wasn’t paying what I was sending him.

08:38 Simple as that—to give them a pretext to go in there and raid my stuff. This is unheard of and vicious. I would tell anybody: get their stuff out of Bekins. Nobody should do any business with Bekins. This is a mega-robbery. This stuff is worth tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars that they’ve stolen.

09:03 Quintanar You know, those are files of a lifetime. And they’re all gone now?

09:09 Fischer Yeah. Everything. For $480. Can you believe this?

09:15 Quintanar And you can’t do anything about it?

09:18 Fischer No. The Jews are in control.

09:23 Quintanar Where are the memorabilia? They’re gone? You can’t even trace them?

09:30 Fischer Oh, yeah—there’s just an enormous quantity of stuff. This stuff is worth at least tens of millions. At least. Look, this time Mark McGwire, this baseball player—he hit seventy home runs. The ball from the seventieth home run, signed—it’s like $2,700,000. Now I had in that storage room hundreds of items with my signature. You know? Everything you can imagine—letters from presidents, photo albums, chess clocks…

10:17 Quintanar Your old chess clocks? They could be worth millions—the ones you used before.

10:44 Fischer They stole everything. Just everything you can imagine. Correspondence with Kissinger, just all kinds of correspondence, all my legal files…

11:09 My lawsuit against Time Incorporated took about three and a half years of my life. I had to prepare for it for about a year. I built up an enormous file on Time, Inc., proving that they’re absolute criminals, proving that they’ve broken all their written agreements with me. I had depositions, tape recordings of depositions—tons of stuff. All of that has been stolen too.

12:05 This is just absolutely criminal. And this Ellsworth guy, he deliberately lied to me several times that he had paid the bill. He knew damn well he hadn’t paid it. He deliberately lied, in collusion with Bekins, so Bekins could grab my stuff.

12:32 Quintanar Okay, Bobby. Of course, Mr. Bob Ellsworth is beyond your control. But how about this Bekins moving and storage company? Is this some kind of prestigious company? Is it well known in the States?

13:02 Fischer One of the biggest moving and storage companies in the world. They’ve got an office right here in Budapest—I saw them advertised right here. They’re huge. But I remember about ten years ago or so, they were bought by an even bigger multinational corporation. So they’re under Jewish control. They’ve been under control by the Jews for at least the last ten years.

13:38 Quintanar Bobby, how do you spell Bekins? B-E-A-C-O-N-S?

13:47 Fischer B-E-K-I-N-S.

13:52 Quintanar Oh, so it’s B as in Boy, E as in England, K as in Kangaroo, I as in Italy, N as in Norway, and S as in Singapore. Like that?

14:04 Fischer Right. Exactly.

14:19 Fischer I’m asking, you know—may I humbly suggest to Mr. Bin Laden—hit Bekins, you know? Hit Bekins and Mr. Bob Ellsworth.

14:35 Quintanar Okay, Bobby. We will just pause for a few seconds—we’re going for a station break.

[Fischer’s own one-page transcript of this exchange, which he posted on his website under the heading “Bobby suggests to Mr. bin Laden that he ‘hit’ Bekins and Mr. Bob Ellsworth”:]

[Station break.]

14:44 Quintanar You know, it’s very sad that the US government is doing this to you, because here in the Philippines, the US government is supposed to be the protector of and the champion of human rights. They always emphasise protecting rights. And especially since you are an American citizen, they should doubly protect your rights, in my opinion. I don’t understand, Bobby.

15:21 Fischer Ten years. They have an arrest warrant that’s valid all over the United States. A federal arrest warrant—not just for one state. They can arrest me anywhere in the United States.

15:31 But I want to read a little statement here from a magazine, just to quote something to show how outrageous this indictment against me is and how they’re singling me out.

16:01 Okay. This is from the May 1994 edition of a magazine called Current Biography. They have about a four-page article on me. Let me read you this one part: “On December 15, 1992, Fischer was indicted by a federal grand jury for violating the executive order banning financial transactions in Yugoslavia. The action surprised some legal scholars, since a number of American companies had also violated the ban without being prosecuted.”

17:00 So they’re going after me, a chess player, for playing chess, rather than going after arms companies that were really involved in the civil war in Yugoslavia. Can you imagine this?

17:15 Quintanar Yes, that’s incredible, because they singled you out.

17:35 Fischer And that’s a very interesting statement: “The action surprised some legal scholars.” So that means it didn’t surprise some other legal scholars. I’ll tell you who it didn’t surprise—it didn’t surprise the Jewish legal scholars, because they knew the game. The game is to screw me, to put me in jail, and kill me. So the legal scholars that were surprised were non-Jewish scholars who didn’t know the name of the game.

18:14 Torre Okay, Bobby. And also, even in the match, we forgot to mention—like, of course, nothing happened to Spassky, nothing happened to me, nothing happened to everybody. Even the grandmaster who acted as the arbiter of the match—twice he went to the US after the match, and nobody touched him.

18:53 Fischer That’s right. The Jews are out to get me.

19:19 Torre Bobby, you remember you sent me by fax all these lists of boxes, you know, of all these boxes in storage, before you left in 1992 to play the World Championship match against Boris Spassky in Yugoslavia. You had so many boxes in there already before you left for Yugoslavia in ’92.

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[Continuation. Fischer details the contents of his storage and addresses listener questions.]

00:00 Torre It seems here that you had so many boxes—like books alone, you had like eight boxes of books.

00:14 Quintanar How many boxes was it, Eugene?

00:16 Torre Let me see—it’s about 58, the ones you left before you went to Yugoslavia.

00:25 Fischer A lot of them were documents too. Several boxes just full of personal papers. That’s all been stolen too. I had well over a hundred boxes in there. I put in 58 boxes just before I left, and I already had dozens and dozens of boxes in there. I probably had between 120 and maybe up to 200 boxes in there, at least 120 boxes.

01:02 Torre Bobby, did you have some collections even from when you were US Champion, when you were 14, 15? Did you have some collections you left there?

01:16 Fischer I have a lot of stuff in New York which I’m trying to get the hell out before the goddamn Jews grab that too.

01:24 Torre Because I’m estimating—if you have some belongings as early as that, it’s actually four decades of your collections in that storage that’s suddenly gone. Incredible.

01:41 Fischer There was stuff in that Bekins storage house going way, way back to the ’60s. I remember I got my legal file from Andrew Davis in New York City—he was my lawyer way back in the early ’60s. So some stuff goes way, way back. I personally put all these files together. I personally got the safes. I personally did everything. All that stuff there is all my work.

02:07 This is just two huge file cabinets, jam-packed full of documents. And you know how many documents those file cabinets can hold—because they’re built to hold papers. You’re talking about an absolutely enormous quantity of papers. You can just keep pushing papers into these file cabinets. And those file cabinets were so full of papers, I could barely open them. So jammed.

02:55 And they stole everything. Which took me years and years and decades to put together. Years of work to accumulate it, years of work to put it in order, years of work to house it, buying the best equipment I could, putting it in the safest place I could find.

03:20 And then behind my back, with the cheapest conspiracy imaginable, this filthy dirty Jew Bob Ellsworth—for $480, they robbed everything. And they’re even trying to justify it, saying it’s all legal. It’s not legal, because they entered into a conspiracy. So the whole thing’s illegal right then. But secondly, how the hell do you auction off like a hundred million dollars’ worth of stuff for a $480 debt?

03:53 Quintanar Bobby, this is terrible. And Eugene and I are sympathetic to your cause. But basically, Bobby, how were they able to break into the storage? Were the safes and file cabinets locked?

04:17 Fischer They smashed open the door. They must have ripped that off. They have some kind of special way—I know they have some very big heavy pliers. They ripped that off and went in there, and then they broke into my safes.

04:31 Quintanar Bobby, I mean, this is the Philippines—we’re under a democracy, and they can’t just do that to you.

04:39 Fischer Yeah. Unless they had a court order or something signed from an authority.

04:44 Look, they knew how to get in touch with me, this Bekins, very easily, because they had brought my safe into the storage room, and when they brought it in, they damaged the door. And my lawyer, Joseph Cho Junior, negotiated with Bekins for the repair.

05:07 Quintanar Bobby, when they were doing this, did these people get in touch with you?

05:13 Fischer No. Nobody. Not my lawyers, nobody. Nobody. This $480 means nothing to me. I’ve got millions in Switzerland. Ellsworth was here—he was here in August. I paid all his expenses. I gave him a few thousand dollars for his time and trouble. $480 means absolutely nothing. I carry around more than $480 in the streets.

05:49 This is the shittiest, cheapest piece of robbery you can imagine. Only the lowest vermin would do this. But this is the Jewish mentality. See, you or I, we don’t enjoy getting what somebody else takes a lifetime to put together. But the Jews do enjoy it.

06:08 I want to read you a statement from the Jewish Talmud here, to show their attitude toward non-Jews’ property. It says: “It is always a meritorious deed to get hold of a Gentile’s possessions.” It says: “Regarding the Gentile claims to property rights, their possessions are like unclaimed land in the desert.”

06:22 Here’s another statement: “With respect to robbery—if one stole, or robbed, or seized a beautiful woman, or committed similar offences, if these were perpetrated by one Gentile against another, the theft etc. must not be kept; and likewise, the theft from an Israelite by a Gentile. But theft from a Gentile by an Israelite may be retained.” See? Of course—their philosophy is that they have a right to whatever they stole from a non-Jew. This is their philosophy of life. I mean, they are parasites and predators. You should read the statements they make in their secret books.

07:17 Here’s another one: “Even the best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed.” Here’s another one: “The best of the Christians must be strangulated.”

07:36 The Jews are demonic, evil people. They were behind this robbery of my stuff at Bekins. “Work is harmful and brings but little.” This is from the Jewish Talmud and the Jewish Kabbalah—it’s just full of this. Here’s another beauty: “All non-Jews are whores.” You just go through all of this—it’s really unbelievable filth. But this is Jews—a criminal people.

08:15 Quintanar You know, Bobby, the way we’ve been listening to you, we all sympathise with you because it is a very lonely fight. You’re all alone, up against the big ones.

08:36 Fischer Now I’m not just throwing around that the Jews are behind these things, because I can trace all of these crimes against me to the Jews. I can trace the Batsford edition to the Jews. I can trace the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer to the Jews. I can trace Bekins to the Jews. I can trace the fact that the US government is now totally controlled by Jews. You just look at all the top positions—Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State, Jewish. Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, Jewish. Secretary of the Treasury, Robert Rubin, Jewish. Spokesman for the State Department, James Rubin, Jewish. Secretary of Agriculture—I think his name is Glickman—Jewish. Jews in all the top positions. Clinton keeps appointing almost all Jewish ambassadors to all the major countries. The United States is a totally Jewish country from top to bottom.

10:05 Quintanar Okay. Bob, we are starting to receive phone calls from all over the country. And here is a question: what kind of a court case do you have against the US government?

10:27 Fischer No, it’s a joke. It’s ridiculous, because they’re not doing it to other people. It’s unfair. They’re singling me out. I’m just playing chess. I was not involved in politics. I never took any public position on the civil war in Yugoslavia.

10:46 For years, the Jewish press said, “Oh, it’s a shame Fischer’s not playing chess. It’s a shame, he’s a coward, he doesn’t want to play.” Then someday I want to play, and they write me a letter saying, “Oh, you’d better not play, or go to jail.” I guarantee you, if I had not played that match with Boris Spassky in Yugoslavia, you know what? The Jewish press would have said all over the world, “Fischer chickened out. He doesn’t give a damn about some threatening letter from the US government—he’d never have played anyway.” That’s what they would have said. I know the dirty Jews inside out.

12:05 Quintanar Wait, wait. I’m going back. You mentioned earlier about the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer.

12:20 Fischer Yeah.

12:27 Quintanar Well, we saw that here too. It was released a few years ago. Do you mean to tell me—there were clips there of you giving a simultaneous exhibition in Argentina, I think. So was there no clearance from the producers for them to use the clips and also the story about your career?

12:44 Fischer And my name—the title? They never wrote me a letter, never one word, never contacted me. Ever. Nothing. I never got a penny. Nothing. Zero. They never got my permission. They never asked my permission.

13:01 Quintanar You know, a lot of people are taking advantage of your celebrity status, Bob.

13:06 Fischer Yeah. But let me say something else about this. This movie—the United States has been preaching all over the world: “Red China is making illegal copies of computer programmes, Red China is making illegal copies of videos, movies,” and all this stuff. And the US is outraged because the United States believes in the rule of law. Meanwhile, every newspaper all over the country is praising this movie. “What a great family picture Paramount has come out with, Searching for Bobby Fischer. Go see it.” Not a word about the fact that this completely violates my rights. Where is the US government? The US government is a fucking hypocrite. It is controlled by dirty, filthy Jews, man.

14:17 Quintanar Well, we have another phone call here, and this is obviously from an admirer of yours: “How did Bobby celebrate his birthday yesterday?”

14:32 Fischer I went out to a restaurant with a couple of old American friends who were visiting me, a couple of buddies of mine.

14:41 Quintanar That’s good. Now, Bobby, exactly what do you do these days?

14:48 Fischer Well, my main interest right now is to expose the Jews. I feel this is even bigger than me, you know. This is not just my struggle. I’m not just doing this for myself. Of course, partly for myself, but this is life and death for the world. These goddamn Jews have to be stopped. They are a menace to the whole world.

15:11 People don’t know this, but tiny little Israel right now has three submarines, high-tech submarines, built by Germany and given to them free of charge. And those submarines have nuclear weapons in them, and they are prowling underneath the ocean right now. Tiny little Israel is a nuclear superpower. It can hit any goddamn city. Israel is no longer just a threat to the Palestinians or to Iraq or to the Middle East. They’re a threat to the world.

16:41 Quintanar That’s right. Now, Bobby, I was hoping that you would be planning for another match. But the way things are, you’re so preoccupied with so many things. Is there no plan for a match in the near future?

17:01 Fischer I can handle more than one thing at once. I’m ready to play right now. If I get a nice offer for Fischer Random chess, I’m ready now. I mean right now.

17:12 Torre Go to Fischer Random, Bobby. I remember you as a person who’d rather keep your political views to yourself, and you don’t like interviews. But what made you open up with these interviews is actually the last straw—this thing with Bekins. And now it’s like—I describe you as like a cat that’s been cornered. You have no way to go but just to fight back.

18:25 Torre They have given you no choice, Bobby.

18:30 Fischer Well, this thing with Bekins is just so outrageous and low-class and cheap and dirty. Imagine somebody goes to a restaurant for twenty years, right? They know him there—he comes in twice a week. Then he has a little dispute with the waiter—“I asked for decaffeinated coffee and you brought me caffeinated coffee”—and right away the owner comes over and says, “Get the fuck out! You’re banned for life!” But this is what they did to me. I was their best customer for twelve years, paying them $10,000, a hell of a lot of stuff in there. Then the guy paying the bills behind my back is deliberately not paying, in collusion with Bekins, and I’m behind $480.

19:37 Quintanar Bob, earlier you mentioned something about New York—is it your apartment or a storage house where you still have some of your properties? What are you doing about them?

19:54 Fischer I just sent a check to have my stuff sent over here. I’m looking into it all.

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[Continuation. Fischer discusses Random Chess, the Time Inc. party, and Dr. Kevorkian.]

00:00 Fischer I hope I can get it out before the fucking US government grabs it too, you know, on some other pretext.

00:07 Quintanar Well, we certainly hope so. You’ll be able to save some of your things. Anyway, Bobby, you said that you would be willing to play a match against all comers. Is it against anyone? But it has to be Fischer Random?

00:25 Fischer Wait a second. The Russians owe me money. They’ve stolen My 60 Memorable Games also. They’ve stolen Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. I want money for those books, for the royalties they’ve robbed. And then I’ll discuss playing a Russian. But I’m willing to play just about anybody else if the money’s really good.

00:47 Quintanar Now let’s talk more about Random Chess, Bobby, because the way I experienced it for the past few days with Eugene, it’s really very interesting, and this is actually the novelty, as we chess players call it.

01:24 Fischer To think back, I think I may have been talking about some versions of randomised chess already back in the ’80s, but I hadn’t conceived all of the rules of Fischer Random chess. You see, random chess is not new—it’s old. But I have some refined rules that make it—

01:57 The castling privilege makes chess a much richer, more interesting game strategically. So I think the great innovation of Fischer Random chess is that it maintains the castling rule in a slightly modified form. It has the feel of the old chess.

02:26 Quintanar And there are four ways to castle?

02:29 Fischer Right. Well, not exactly four ways—more. Because after you castle, you’re in the same castled position as in the old chess. But there are more starting positions for castling. In Fischer Random, let’s say the White King is on f1 and one Rook is on b1 and one Rook is on h1. You can still castle long—you move your King over to c1 and then jump the Rook on b1 over to d1. You see? So the starting position before you castle may be different, but after you castle—say you were to castle on the king-side—you move the King over to g1 and jump the Rook over to f1. See?

03:20 Quintanar It looks like it’s in some kind of a final form now, Bob. How long did it take you?

03:27 Fischer It took me actually a few years. I was thinking this and that, and I couldn’t quite get it right. But then I finally got it. I think Eugene was with me when I got it, as a matter of fact. And when I got it, he was quite excited. This was about—I got it around sometime around ’93, about September. Right, Eugene?

03:56 Torre Yes, Bobby. I think, if I’m not mistaken, this is one of my happiest moments, when we finalised this Fischer Random. I think it was in Hévíz, in Hévíz, in Hungary, when we were having this vacation there. I think we were in some mineral bath.

04:22 Quintanar Okay, Bob. Hold it for a while. We’re going for a station break.

[Station break.]

04:50 Quintanar Bobby, are you there?

04:57 Ang Hi, Bobby. A lot of people have been writing me and asking where they can get the rules of Fischer Random. Anyway, for the benefit of all those listeners who want to know the rules, we will be posting the rules on my web page at www.pinoychess.com.ph. The rules will be there. In fact, if they want to play Fischer Random chess, they can go to the Internet Chess Club—we’ve already set it up so that they can play Fischer Random chess according to your rules.

[Fischer’s rules for Fischerandom Chess, reproduced from his website:]

05:25 Fischer Oh, good. Good. That’s very good, Bobby.

05:31 Quintanar Now, Bob, you know, I was so excited when I finally got to play Random Chess with Eugene, and it is really so fantastic. We have to promote this. What are your present plans?

05:49 Fischer Well, I want to promote it. I also have a new clock which has a voice synthesiser, and it has a lot more features than the original clock that I used against Boris Spassky in Yugoslavia in ’92. I’ve also refined my clock ideas too. So I think I have a real good product.

06:20 Quintanar You’d better protect yourself very well, please.

06:23 Fischer Well, you know, you can’t protect yourself, really. They just do what they want now. It doesn’t even pay to bother. It comes down to—you know what they say, possession is nine-tenths of the law. And that’s really all you can do—keep your belongings locked up and have a gun, you know, to protect your belongings. Because forget about the courts protecting you and the police protecting you. The Jews are in control now.

06:58 Quintanar But the Fischer clock and all the features, this is patented, right?

07:07 Fischer Yeah, I have a patent. Which, by the way, was also stolen from my storage house. They stole my patent documents. They stole my US patents, which are worth a lot of money. They stole a couple of bank books. They stole several thousand gold coins—$20 gold pieces. Think about that. Silver certificate dollar bills, which are more valuable than ordinary dollar bills. They just—you know, they stole so many valuable things. My chess set that was on the cover of Life magazine—

08:00 Quintanar Life magazine—this was the 1964 issue, right? When you were featured, after winning all eleven games in the ’64 US Championship?

08:13 Fischer No, no, this was 1971. Before the championship match. I was in Argentina, and that’s when they had that cover of me with this chess set.

08:29 Quintanar You were training for Petrosian. Bobby, Eugene mentioned something about a bust of yours—a statue.

08:45 Fischer A bust?

08:50 Torre Bobby, you told me you had this statue—when you go into the storage room, just the size of this alone, it’s so heavy. You said that a lady could not carry it by herself, you know.

09:08 Fischer Yeah. As soon as you go into the storage room, you know—nobody in their right mind is gonna abandon that for $480. Who in their right mind is gonna abandon stuff worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? So when you walk in the room, you know you’re not dealing with a legitimate claim. They just knew that I didn’t know I was behind because of this conspiracy that Bekins made with Ellsworth. This was absolutely planned. This has nothing to do with $480. The $480 is just a cover—just a pretext for grabbing stuff worth countless millions of dollars. A cheap, dirty conspiracy.

09:57 Quintanar Okay, Bob, I’d like to go back to Random Chess, because as far as the Philippines is concerned, I think Eugene and I can help promote it here. I can promote it in media, and Eugene can go to chess players and actually give simultaneous exhibitions on Random Chess, because this is very, very exciting.

10:38 Fischer I haven’t really done anything yet. I’ve been distracted, I’m afraid. As I said, I’m ready to play right away. I want to play this game right away. I’m still in very good shape. I’m sorry to tell the Jews, if you’re listening: I’m still the best.

10:55 Quintanar You are the best. You would always be the best for us, Bobby.

10:59 Fischer Well, not just for you. I am the best, period.

11:12 Torre Bobby, we have received some email that the NSA of the United States—the National Security Agency—and the BKA, the Bundeskriminalamt of Germany, are trying to get you arrested soon. You know?

11:40 Fischer I don’t doubt it. All these secret organisations—the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Agency, the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith—they were all in on this Bekins robbery. They’re all in on all these things with the indictment and everything. This break-in was all coordinated with the US government too. Everything is coordinated. This didn’t just happen. This was planned.

12:23 I want to mention something. I believe the Jews—they’ve done every goddamn thing they could to try to win me over, to get me on their side. Back in March of last year, they had this seventy-fifth anniversary party for Time magazine. President Clinton was there. He was the host. I was invited to that. And I was told by my attorney—his wife told me on the phone—if I would be willing to go to this party, Time, Inc., because they’re very powerful—the biggest media company in the world—all would be forgiven. I’d meet President Clinton at the party, blah blah blah.

13:20 But I’m not gonna go to any party hosted by Time, because these guys owe me money. They ripped me off. I sued them. And all my contracts with Time Incorporated have been stolen from Bekins. So there’s no way I’m going to compromise my principles.

13:44 Time Incorporated. Senator Joseph McCarthy, in his book The Fight for America, exposed them very well. This is a Jewish company, totally Jewish. This has been Jewish from day one.

14:03 I was invited, but I refused to go. I believe that’s when the Jews said: “This Fischer—we just can’t deal with this guy. He’s never ever going to come over to us. Never going to kiss our ass.” If I won’t accept this party, where everything’s going to be forgiven, and I’ll be meeting President Clinton and Tom Cruise and all these opportunities—doors will be open, all will be forgiven—then they said: “Okay, let’s just rip off his stuff in Bekins.”

15:10 I think there’s a very definite connection. And also, because my full file on Time, Inc.—proving they’re the worst criminals imaginable—was also stolen. And Time, Inc., I’m sure, has got all that back in their dirty hands.

15:30 Quintanar Okay, Bobby, of course this email that we received about them trying to plan to arrest you—we don’t know how authentic it is, or how genuine. Because you remember Peter Spiriev, that email I announced in the last interview? Then he said he was receiving death threats, and that actually he was not the one who wrote the letter—that it was written by someone who hated his family. But it’s a little bit strange to me, that he did not mention the name of the somebody whom he assumed wrote this letter. He did not mention the name. He’s just denying all this that we mentioned in the last interview. So he says he has nothing to do with that, he did not send these emails. So we don’t know if it’s true or not, or where it really came from. That’s just one example.

17:14 Fischer You know, I want to get back to this Time 75th anniversary gala. I want to just mention something else about that party—who was there. As I said, Tom Cruise was there, but also this horrible murderer, this bastard “Dr. Death,” this Kevorkian—Jack Kevorkian—was there. And there’s a picture that was published after the party with Tom Cruise, this famous movie actor, putting his arm around this Dr. Death. Can you beat that? Sickening. You know, I’m so happy I didn’t go to that party, to be around this Jack Kevorkian. Somebody should just kill that son of a bitch. He’s murdered over 130 depressed people. He is the lowest. I’m sure he’s a goddamn Jew, what a bastard he is. But he was at that party—that tells you what kind of moral fibre Time has, inviting a mass murderer.

18:08 This guy—this Dr. Death, this Kevorkian—he has a machine that he sets up for you, to kill you. You just push a button and the machine automatically injects your arm with poison. He killed like 130 people like that and he still hasn’t gone to prison. And now the latest thing with this Dr. Kevorkian is he’s not even satisfied to have a machine kill people—he personally injected a guy himself, into the guy’s arm. He stabbed the guy with the needle and poisoned the guy himself. And he videotaped it and he sent it to some TV station.

[Jack Kevorkian (“Dr. Death”) campaigned for assisted suicide and claimed to have helped some 130 people end their lives. The case Fischer describes—Kevorkian personally administering a lethal injection and videotaping it—was the death of Thomas Youk, a patient with ALS; the footage was broadcast on the CBS programme 60 Minutes in November 1998. It led to Kevorkian’s conviction for second-degree murder, affirmed on appeal in People v. Kevorkian (2001): https://law.justia.com/cases/michigan/court-of-appeals-published/2001/20011120-c221758-75-213o-221758-opn-coa.html.]

18:52 And this guy is supported by Time, Inc.—not just by inviting him to this party, but I read this stuff, they approve of this euthanasia stuff. So Time, Inc. is a criminal organisation. It’s not just that they rip me off and owe me a fortune, which they do. They broke all their written contracts with me. They’ve been selling these pictures of me forever, making millions and millions, when the contracts prohibit it. But they are criminal people, a criminal organisation in general. Totally Jewish outfit. And they invited Dr. Death, and this Tom Cruise put his arm around him.

19:25 Torre That’s incredible, Bobby. Anyway, before we finish this interview, we still have some time—some minutes. I have here in the April issue of Inside Chess 1999, a publisher’s message from GM Yasser Seirawan. It says here: “I wish I didn’t know.”

19:50 And then he said: “Like all chess players, I am often asked, ‘Whatever happened to Bobby Fischer?’ Well, we now have what appears to be a sad and definitive answer. Bobby is still in Budapest.”

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[Quintanar continues reading from Seirawan’s publisher’s message.]

00:00 Quintanar “And he recently did at least one live radio interview which appeared on the internet. The interview is shocking, and I must warn you, Bobby’s language is extremely vulgar. His bigotry towards Jewish people is virulent and rabid. Those who wish to hear his hate-filled message can find it at the site, and excerpts have been made available on National Public Radio as well as other places. We have decided there is no purpose to printing this interview. Fischer’s anti-Jewish tirades are too ludicrous to be taken seriously by any sane person, and in the last analysis only harm him. Bobby’s life is drawing to an ugly conclusion, and it seems that the greatest chess player we have ever seen has become an increasingly bitter, hate-filled recluse. Chess has seen many tragic stories, but surely none more tragic than this.” Yasser Seirawan. This is his publisher’s message. Of course, this is open for consumption for the public, in the chess magazine Inside Chess.

01:16 Fischer Yeah, well, you know, years ago, a Jew by the name of Ronnie Gross let slip to me that this goddamn Yasser Seirawan is a Jew. So don’t be fooled by Seirawan’s Arabic name. He’s a goddamn Jew too.

01:42 Quintanar Okay. Bobby, I have a telephone call here. I don’t know if you have the time. This listener would like to know: who does Bobby Fischer consider the best young player today?

02:00 Fischer You know, I’ve washed my hands of the old chess, you know.

02:16 Quintanar I see. Because another question is: Kasparov was criticising Bobby’s play in the last match against Spassky. And this listener says, if there is a promoter for the match, would Bobby play Kasparov?

02:36 Fischer You mean with Fischer Random, I guess, or what?

02:38 Quintanar Just Fischer Random? No, he means classical chess. No more, Bobby?

02:45 Fischer No more classical chess. And forget about my playing the Russians until they pay me the money they owe me for My 60 Memorable Games and Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. But if they were willing to pay up, I’m willing to discuss playing Fischer Random chess—but first they have to pay up.

03:07 Quintanar What happened to Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess, Bob? I mean, they just plagiarised that, they copied it, and then distributed it in Russia?

03:18 Fischer Yeah. They came out with a Russian edition, and they printed, according to their own book, like a hundred thousand copies, and it was an expensive edition. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually published much more than a hundred thousand. I think you could probably sell a million copies of that book in Russia, because people love chess there. So I think they’ve made a fortune on that book in Russia. I know the American publishers are making a fortune on it. They just give me a tiny, ridiculously small amount of money. And also they’ve come out with illegal CD-ROMs, which I get absolutely nothing for.

04:20 Quintanar Now, just let us get this straight, Bob. For all the chess players listening to us right now in the Philippines and Asia—all of these have been stolen from you, and you don’t get any royalty for anything?

04:40 Fischer Right. The only royalty I’m getting anymore, for some strange reason, is Learning International still sends me some royalties for the book Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. But they don’t send me any royalties for the CD-ROM that they’ve made. And I don’t get any royalties for My 60 Memorable Games—for any edition—the English edition, German, French, any edition. I get zero. I get nothing for Searching for Bobby Fischer. I get nothing for the chess clock. I get nothing all around.

05:16 Quintanar Eugene, do you have any question or clarification on some points about Random Chess? Because I’m sure we’re going to work on that here in the Philippines.

05:44 Torre I believe that Fischer Random, because of its great ideas, it will survive eventually, despite the obstacles. Because as Fischer said: you can kill a good person or a good man, but you cannot kill good ideas.

06:24 Quintanar And well, Bobby, we’re about to close this rare interview with you. And first of all, on behalf of Eugene and the Filipino people, I would like to thank you. Personally, I would like to thank you very much for this opportunity to have talked to you for two hours. And we certainly have been enlightened on a lot of things, and I certainly wish you the best with Random Chess. Eugene?

06:57 Torre I’m here. I’m just, you know, helping Bobby, because I can see that he’s, as you said before, Romy, just alone. And it is unfortunate, because I think justice is on his side, but injustice is being inflicted on him. Actually, those people that sometimes ask me, “Do you also have anything against the Jews?”—actually, it’s not a question of races or of religion or citizenship. That’s not important. What is important to me, Romy, is that the injustice being done, the wrongs that Bobby has suffered—it is not a question of whether these people are Jews or Christians or Muslims or Buddhists, or Russians, Chinese, Americans, or even Filipinos. It’s not about religion. For me, why I’m fighting for Bobby is because the injustice being done to him is too much. It’s just too obvious, the wrong things that he has suffered for all these years.

08:37 Quintanar And we’re about to close, Bob. Again, thank you very much for this rare opportunity. Please say something to the Filipinos and to all the Asians listening to us right now.

08:52 Fischer I don’t know what you just said—it was a very flowery, lovely speech he made—but the fact is the dirty Jews are behind all this stuff. I want to reiterate that. That’s the fact. And I’m going to give you one proof. Some people wonder: who is the liar? Is it Fischer, or is it the mainstream media?

09:07 Just remember: if you’re a chess player, how many years have you read that I wasn’t paid my prize fund in 1992 for my World Championship match with Boris Spassky? If I was paid, I lost it all when I allegedly reinvested it in some US bank which went bankrupt. If you’re a chess player, you’ve heard that story, you’ve heard the rumour, you’ve read it in magazines, you’ve seen it in newspapers. It’s an outright lie. They’ve been saying it over and over again for years.

09:45 Look: all these media outlets, papers, magazines—they’re all connected to the CIA, the FBI, etcetera. They know damn well from day one that my money was in the Union Bank of Switzerland. All the money from that prize went right into the Union Bank of Switzerland. All those millions of dollars. So they’ve been lying to you deliberately about that for years, and they’d keep on lying to you forever if I didn’t tell the truth.

10:53 Who’s the bad guy? Who’s the truth-teller? Who’s the liar? Just remember that the press spread this story that I lost all my money, that I was never paid for my ’92 title match with Spassky. It’s all goddamn lies. The Jews knew it. They lied to you deliberately. Just remember that, when you’re still in a quandary about who is telling the truth.

11:14 Who is the honest guy? Me, or the Jew-controlled mainstream press that allegedly “will never run a story unless they have two independent sources”—blah blah blah—all lies. The Jews lie and lie. Almost every goddamn thing you read about me is an outright lie. Jews live by lies, and die when coming in contact with the truth. That’s an old Romanian saying. Just remember that.

11:48 Quintanar Thank you very much, Bobby, and it’s been a great honour to have you with us for the last two hours. It’s really a record all over the world. And like I said earlier: never in Europe, never in America, but only on DZSR—Bobby Fischer, chess king of the world. Thank you very much, Bobby, and we wish you all the luck.

12:07 Torre Bobby, this is Eugene. I wish you all the best, Bobby, and happy birthday again, Bobby. And we are just here, you know, Bobby.

12:24 Ang Bobby Ang here. Yes, Bobby. So wish you all the luck, and we will help you broadcast your feelings, your views.

12:35 Fischer Alright. Thank you very much, Bob. It’s been an honour, and we wish you luck, and we hope to see you here in the Philippines soon.

12:39 Quintanar Thank you. Thank you.

[Music plays. Quintanar signs off.]

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[Pablo Mercado hosts on Bombo Radio, Baguio. GM Eugene Torre facilitates. This is an evening broadcast with live phone-in callers. Bobby Fischer is on the phone from Budapest.]

00:05 Mercado (in Tagalog) Magandang gabi po sa inyo lahat. We will be taking over from here. We also have here with us Grandmaster Eugene Torre, and he is the facilitator of our discussion later on with the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer. If you remember, friends, this should be our third time here in Bombo Radio, here in Baguio, in the Philippines, interviewing Bobby Fischer exclusively. I think Bobby Fischer is already on the line, but we’ll have to wait for Eugene Torre. He is now on our telephone line. We would like to ask him several questions again tonight.

01:06 Hello, Bobby?

01:08 Fischer Hello, Pablo? Yes.

01:20 What time is it in Hungary right now?

01:22 Fischer Now it’s exactly 12:30.

01:25 Mercado Okay. Good afternoon to you, Bobby. And it’s already 7:30 in the evening here in the Philippines.

01:38 This will be our fourth interview over our radio station. Since our last interview, Bobby, have there been responses already from the US government or Bob Ellsworth regarding the sale of your memorabilia?

01:59 Fischer No. Nothing. Everybody is—I just got robbed of my stuff, and I’m making the most vicious accusations against Ellsworth and Bekins and the US government. Nobody has a word to say. Just obvious—they’re guilty as hell.

02:18 Mercado Also, with no action from their side—what about you?

02:25 Fischer I got my stuff stolen—what do I care, right? Let me shout into the wind.

02:31 Mercado But they have not responded yet to your accusations, then?

02:35 Fischer No. What are they going to say? “We’re thieves”?

02:38 Mercado Alright. So what do you plan to do about this matter—personally or legally? Would you try to recover these items through the court?

02:51 Fischer I explained that to you, Pablo. The courts are a farce in America. It’s completely controlled by the Jews. The only thing to do is to attack them publicly. I mean, short of physical force, this is the only thing to do. The courts are completely dead as far as getting any justice if you’re not Jewish.

03:09 Mercado Alright. Bob, I would have to explain to our listeners that we’re talking live this time. And I have opened up two telephone lines for our local listeners here to call.

03:17 Fischer You know, Pablo, you’re a little bit weak. Your voice—the volume is a little low.

03:25 Mercado It’s okay—you’re coming in strong over in the Philippines right now.

03:30 Fischer No, but your voice is a little low.

03:33 Mercado Can you hear me clearly now?

03:35 Fischer Yes, now it’s a little better. Alright.

03:38 Mercado Alright. So like I said, we have opened up two local telephones for our listeners who would want to ask questions to you directly. And those telephone numbers, by the way, are 443-4429 and 442-5278. That’s for our listeners who would want to ask questions to you.

04:00 Alright. You know, we’ve been talking with Eugene Torre, and he showed me a copy of an invitation to you by Time magazine to attend their 75th anniversary gala in March 1998. But you opted not to go. Why?

04:16 Fischer Yeah. Because many years ago, I sued Time Incorporated, because back in about starting in about 1970, I gave them a lot of access to me, to take photographs and to get interviews and so on. But every time I gave them this access, they had to make written agreements with me that the photographs they took and the information they got from me were only to be used in a specific article. They were not to be resold. You see? Because I let them take hundreds, maybe thousands of photographs of me.

04:59 They don’t just take one picture for an article—they’re clicking away, dozens and dozens and dozens of photographs, one after another. They’ll take hundreds, even thousands of pictures. So I didn’t want these photographs to be resold, you see. They were just to make the specific article for Life magazine or Time—that’s the same company, Time and Life—just to make these articles good. And they signed all these agreements with me, and I gave them many, many interviews during the run-up to my title match with Boris Spassky, and during the title match also.

05:45 And then, after all of these interviews, they just went right ahead and broke every agreement they made with me. See? So I sued Time Life back in 1975. And I had built up a huge file on them before I sued them. I spent about a year or more just preparing my file, getting all my contracts with them together in one place, which was not easy because I was basically living out of a suitcase for a couple of years and my stuff was here, there, and everywhere. So I had to get all these letters and agreements I had made with them, and I had to get a lot of other documents to prove my case together. And then I sued Time in court, in the federal court in Los Angeles in 1975. And of course, I didn’t really know the score in those days, that the whole government was completely controlled by dirty Jews, everything was rigged. So about a year and a half later, I got laughed out of court.

06:42 But in any event, I had a huge file of thousands of documents and about 60 contracts with Time, and all kinds of supporting evidence, etcetera. And all this has been robbed too, in this great Bekins robbery of my stuff. So now, many, many years later, lo and behold, they come along—Time Inc.—and invite me to this 75th anniversary of Time magazine party. They were inviting all the people who had been on the cover of Time magazine, and I’ve been one of them. I was on the cover back in 1972, Spassky and I shared the cover. So—am I coming in good?

07:30 Mercado Yes, you’re coming in good. Go ahead.

07:32 Fischer Okay. So now, after ripping me off for millions of dollars, violating all their agreements with me, Time has the cheek to invite me to this party, you know? Now I was told by my lawyer, Choate’s wife—she said, “Bobby, this is a great opportunity. You go to this party. President Clinton is going to be there.” Apparently he’s been on the cover of Time magazine too. And Time—they’re the biggest media corporation in America. They’re huge. They own CNN and everything else. They own Time—

[The phone line drops.]

08:23 Mercado Maybe we can call him back. Eugene Torre, who is with us, will try to reconnect with Bobby Fischer, the World Chess Champion. We’ve had several questions already. Maybe Mike Castro is on the line—can you please just stand by for a while, Mike? We will just have to reconnect with Bobby Fischer. And we would also want to invite all of our listeners at this time—if you have some questions for Bobby Fischer, this is a great opportunity.

[Approximately 4 minutes pass while they try to reconnect. The line is re-established.]

13:00 Fischer Alright, Bobby, I’m sorry for the line, okay?

13:05 Mercado Okay. What was the last thing? When was the cutoff, Pablo?

13:10 Fischer I don’t know why we were cut off, but we have re-established the line anyway. I think it’s just a little problem with our telephone system in the Philippines. See.

13:31 Mercado Alright. I think we still have on the line somebody from Baguio City who would like to ask a question to you. His name is Mike Castro. Mike, would you like to ask your question to Bob? He’s on the line right now. Go ahead, Mike.

13:43 Mike Castro Yes. Thank you very much. Bobby, I empathise with your plight. You have been always portrayed as reclusive and have time and again refused interviews with major foreign news media. So my question is: why now? Why here in Baguio? And why with our own Grandmaster Eugene Torre? Why not with bigger news organisations, or have you tried contacting any other major media outlet?

14:16 Fischer Well, I want to go on the radio, Mike. You see, I’m not interested in getting newspaper interviews or any kind of recorded—

[The phone line drops again. Another reconnection attempt takes several minutes.]

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00:27 Mercado Anyway, I think we have Bobby back on the line. Hello, Bob.

00:30 Fischer Yes.

00:32 Mercado Alright. Again, I’m sorry for what’s happening to our telephone lines. I don’t know where the trouble is.

00:40 Fischer I think it’s over here, because this phone wasn’t sufficiently charged up, I think.

00:49 Mercado Alright. I’ll bring you back. Mike Castro is still on our line, for him to repeat his question. Okay? Mike, go ahead.

00:58 Mike Castro Bobby, you have always been portrayed as reclusive and time and again refused interviews with major foreign news media. So my question is: why now? Why here in Baguio? And why not with bigger news organisations that could probably give you more media mileage?

01:17 Fischer The bigger news organisations don’t want to talk to me in this format—live. They don’t want to let me on the radio live. Even in America, it’s virtually impossible to get on a talk show live. They have like a seven-second delay, so if you say something they don’t like, they cut it off before it reaches the air.

01:35 Mike Castro A follow-up question, if you don’t mind, Bobby. You are without a doubt one of the greatest, if not the greatest, player who ever played the game of chess. However, your chess career has always been hounded by conspiracies against you—first by the Russians, then FIDE, and now your very own American government. How or what can you do to ensure that your legacy survives?

02:24 Fischer Well, thank you. You had a lot of questions. The point is, this latest robbery of my stuff in Bekins—they’ve stolen about between 700 and 1,000 simultaneous game scoresheets. These were never published anywhere. So right there, they’re trying to destroy my chess legacy. And also, they stole all my contracts. How can I do business without my contracts?

02:59 The only thing I can do to defend myself is to get on the radio like I’m doing here in the Philippines and hope that these interviews will be spread around. Other people will tape-record them and they’ll reach the whole world. Because what’s going on is absolutely unbelievable.

03:30 Every damn thing—this is kind of my hobby, saving things, putting things together, getting all my files together, keeping my memorabilia. How I did it, I don’t know, because this memorabilia that I saved was all over the world. It was from the Philippines, it was from Europe, from the States, from everywhere.

04:21 As a matter of fact, I had a lot of pictures. I personally took photos of President Marcos on my Polaroid camera. That’s all been stolen too. Pictures of me and Eugene in Vegas, tons of photos they stole, documents of all kinds, letters to me from my mother—everything. Every goddamn thing. A tremendous amount of stuff.

04:47 It’s hard enough to protect yourself from these mega-corporations even with contracts. But without them, it’s virtually impossible. I was just looking here in the paper the other day—I sent Eugene a fax of it—there was a recent case where Buddy Holly’s family is suing MCA Records.

05:10 Torre It’s here with me, Bobby.

05:13 Fischer Yes. And well, this just shows you how important it is to keep your contracts, because according to Buddy Holly’s family, MCA Records has been forging contracts with Buddy Holly. MCA, by the way, is one of the biggest media corporations in America. MCA made President Reagan—I mean, Reagan was their boy. MCA was headed by the Jew Lew Wasserman. I don’t know whether that old bastard is alive or dead—he was in his nineties, last I heard.

06:06 But this is Lew Wasserman, who founded and owned MCA, Music Corporation of America. And I think then at some point Matsushita bought it, but they sold it eventually for some billions of dollars. But the point is: if a big Jewish company like MCA will forge contracts to cheat Buddy Holly’s estate, you can imagine what they’ll do to me. And now I’ve lost what little protection I had, because the only protection you have from the Jewish media corporations is exposure. If you say, “Look, they’re violating my rights—here’s the contract.” Because the courts are dead—they’re controlled by the Jews. But at least you can humiliate them, and they’re very sensitive about that. They don’t like bad publicity.

06:50 But now that Time, Inc., and the Jews have stolen all my Time contracts—they stole all 60 contracts that I had with them. These were, you know, tons of stuff. All my legal stuff is gone. So in addition to robbing all my memorabilia, which is horrible enough, they’ve also robbed all my legal documents.

07:10 And the Jews are just—oh, the Jewish press says it’s all perfectly legal. “He owed $480.” I didn’t even know anything. I was sending the money to my agent to pay. He deliberately stopped paying, lied to me that he had stopped paying. And then, along comes Bekins, exactly six months to the day—they just robbed all my stuff. And to make sure I couldn’t get it back, they sold it off immediately. The normal procedure in such a situation would just be to seal the door—until I pay my bill, I can’t get access to my stuff. But no—they auctioned it all off.

07:51 This $480 is a goddamn pretext. It has nothing to do with anything.

08:01 Mercado Okay, Bob. I think Mike still has some more questions for you.

08:08 Mike Castro Bobby, chess has always been unrecognised compared to other major sports. But thanks to you and your well-publicised match with Boris Spassky in 1972, where you took the title of world champion away from the Russians after so many decades of domination—chess became more lucrative, more dynamic, and a lot more interesting. For your many admirers and for your legacy, will you ever consider coming back to competitive chess?

08:52 Fischer Well, I’m finished with the old chess anyway. I love the old chess, but I like this Fischer Random chess, because the old chess has been reduced to prearrangement and preparation. The over-the-board struggle is virtually gone.

09:13 Mercado Alright. Thank you to Mike Castro. We have on the other line a former prosecutor of Baguio, Fiscal Basco. And I think he’s one of the avid chess players in Baguio. Maybe he has some questions for you.

09:32 Good evening, Fiscal. Your question to Bobby Fischer, please.

09:36 Fiscal Basco Good evening. Thank you very much. Hello, Mr. Fischer. Is there any chance yet for you to be in competition?

10:01 Fischer Well, I just explained—the old game is dead. It’s totally dead. When you see these supposedly great games that Kasparov is playing and Karpov is playing, they’re almost all prearranged.

10:15 Fiscal Basco So what you’re saying—you’re not seeing real chess? This is theatre?

10:22 Fischer Yes. How is there any chance yet for me to be in competition? Well, I said I want to play the new chess, Fischer Random chess, which is a game of skill, not a game of prearrangement and memorising a ton of stuff sitting in front of the computer for six hours a day, memorising theory.

10:50 Fiscal Basco Another thing I want to ask you: I have learned of your memorabilia. What has happened to them?

10:57 Fischer Nobody really knows what’s happened to it. It’s just gone. The storage company won’t give it back to me. They say it’s all gone. Tens of millions of dollars of stuff has been stolen. I kept my stuff in this storage company for twelve years, paid them over $10,000 in storage fees. They say I owe them $480, and they just took everything.

11:27 Mercado Okay, Bobby, just for a moment, Fiscal. We’re having a tape issue right now.

11:35 Okay, it’s okay now. Please, any more questions for Bobby?

11:40 Fiscal Basco Well, that’s the last question I had. And I’m very glad to have had this opportunity.

11:51 Fischer Let me clear something up. This is not just memorabilia. It is everything you can think of—legal documents, contracts, correspondence, fan mail, all kinds of personal things, electronic devices, videos, everything—pocket TVs, shoes, books, anything you can think of. It included all of my memorabilia, but it’s not limited to that. It’s everything. Virtually all of my possessions that I accumulated over like thirty years.

12:33 Fiscal Basco Your lawyer has to do something about it.

12:35 Fischer No, no. My lawyer is in on the game. I’m not interested in the goddamn US courts. They’re a bunch of goddamn crooks there. The Jews control everything and everybody. Anybody who has a successful legal practice in America compromises with the Jews. If you talk like I do in America, you don’t work. Maybe you don’t even live.

12:57 Fiscal Basco America should be proud of you.

13:05 Fischer Yeah, they should be, but the dirty Jews are in control. They have tried to poison the public against me. They constantly use the word “eccentric”—eccentric, eccentric, weird—all lies. Ask Eugene—am I weird or eccentric, Eugene?

13:30 Torre I’m so normal. I’m boring!

13:48 Mercado Great. Right. Bobby, this is Pablo again. I think Sami Mendita has a question for you. Sami Mendita is a co-anchor of mine in this radio station.

14:08 Sami Mendita Okay. Hello, Bobby. I don’t know if you had already answered this a while ago—the question about the truth behind Fischer Random chess. Can you explain this, Bobby?

14:24 Fischer Yeah. Fischer Random chess is very similar to normal chess, except you have 960 starting positions instead of one. And I worked out the rules in such a way that you can castle on either side of the board, just like in a regular game. So it has the flavour of the old chess, but it eliminates the negative aspects—the memorisation and prearrangement.

14:55 Mendita One more question, Bobby. If ever Kasparov will invite you to a match, will you be willing to face him?

15:02 Fischer As I’ve explained many times, the Russians owe me a lot of money for pirating My 60 Memorable Games. They’ve also pirated Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. When they’re ready to pay me the full amount that they owe me, then we can discuss this.

15:16 Mercado Alright. Another caller here. His name is Ed Nadeja. He has a question for you. Ed, with your question, please.

15:25 Ed Nadeja Good evening. Hello, Bobby. Here is my question: why is the US government so hard on you, or mistreating you, since as a US citizen you have given so much honour to your country and you have contributed so much? You are a man of great stature. That’s it sir.

15:45 Fischer Thank you. Well, it’s very simple. The Jews control the US government. Just take a look at the major players in the US government: Secretary of Defense William Cohen, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin, Secretary of Agriculture—a Jew called Glickman. All Jews. And so they totally control the US government. Totally. It’s a Jewish dictatorship there, and they control the press too. They control everything there, they control the major corporations, everything, they control the courts. It’s basically a dictatorship. Those of us who know, we call it the Jewnited States, we call it the Zionist Occupational Government of the United States. We call it “Israel West.” There is no United States government as people think of it. It’s just a façade. It’s a total Jewish dictatorship there.

17:00 Mercado Bobby, this is Pablo again. You have so far spoken out against the Jews. Some say you are really antisemitic and that you have become biased due to the type of books and other reading materials that you read. Is this true?

17:19 Fischer No. A lot of people always say that about me. But these people who say I’m biased, that I only read anti-Jewish literature—it’s the reverse. I read anti-Jewish literature, but I also read the International Herald Tribune. I listen to the BBC, the Voice of America. I bought that new book by this guy—I think Daniel Goldhagen—about Hitler’s willing executioners, a disgusting book full of lies. I read the mainstream books and I read the anti-Jewish books, and I compare the two. And I can see that the anti-Jewish side are the good guys.

18:15 It’s the absolute reverse. I read both sides. I listen to both sides. How do you think I get all this information?

18:28 Mercado Alright. I’ve been reading a copy of some sort of a background on your life, which was printed by Time magazine when they invited you. And it says here that at some time you have been with a church—the Worldwide Church of God, the evangelist.

19:05 Fischer It’s not true. I was never a member of the Worldwide Church of God. Absolutely not true. It’s a lie.

19:11 Mercado But did you have dealings with them?

19:18 Fischer Their point of view—their teachings, especially they teach circumcision, which is a real crime. And they teach a lot of other lies too.

19:41 Mercado Alright. I was informed that we’ll be on until 8:30 tonight, right? That’s about thirty minutes from now. And I still have some more questions, and maybe a little while later, more questions from our listeners.

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00:00 Mercado But let’s get back to Fischer Random chess. Have you started or have you succeeded already in popularising this new game, Bobby?

00:11 Fischer No, I haven’t done anything, really. I tried to set up a match down in Argentina, but it got cancelled. This Quinteros betrayed me and Eugene and cancelled the match. The organiser betrayed us and cancelled the match at the last minute.

00:31 Mercado So what do you plan to do about Fischer Random now?

00:34 Fischer Well, I’d like to get a good offer for me to play it, or I’d like to see Eugene get a good offer. Any good offer. It needs some financial sponsorship.

00:48 Mercado You haven’t had any offer so far?

00:52 Fischer No. Listen—the whole lie—the Jews, they were screaming for years: “Fischer’s not playing chess.” As soon as I play chess, they warn me not to play or I’m going to prison. And now it’s the same thing with these interviews. They say, “Fischer doesn’t want to talk to the media. He doesn’t want to talk to you.” No—I’m willing to talk. It turns out it was all a bluff. They never wanted to talk to me all along.

01:12 Mercado Yeah. Okay. I was shown by Eugene a copy of your original book, My 60 Memorable Games. He also showed me a copy of another edition, which is basically the same, but I noticed there’s so many changes there and they tried to change some of the analysis that you had. Is this what you were talking about previously?

01:40 Fischer I think I may have mentioned that, yes. Batsford has come out with a new pirated edition of My 60 Memorable Games—it’s called the new algebraic edition of My 60 Memorable Games, supposedly written by Bobby Fischer—and it’s falsified from cover to cover. Absolutely unbelievable falsification, even changing my evaluations.

02:06 Mercado That’s right. I noticed that. That’s despicable.

02:16 Fischer One evaluation they changed—I gave the right analysis, the correct winning line. They changed what I wrote into an illegal move, and my game was with Bobotsov. Just to make me look like a fool.

02:43 So this is a Jewish book. If you look at the people who rewrote the book—in the copyright page at the bottom, they gave the names of five people. Three of them are known to be Jews, and the other two I’m sure are Jews too. But three of them are known to be Jews: Dvoretsky is a Jew, Keene is a Jew, Speelman is a Jew. There’s no question about that. And I’m sure it’ll come out that Nunn and Burgess are also Jews.

03:20 I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Batsford isn’t secretly owned by Sumner Murray Redstone, either directly through Viacom or perhaps through Macmillan Publishing Company.

03:33 Mercado Alright. Here’s another question from one of our callers. It says: “Garry Kasparov has finally overtaken your ELO rating. What can you say about that?”

03:52 Fischer Well, there was an article that was published in Ocho por Ocho—that’s a Spanish magazine from Spain. And they said about my rating: if my rating, going back to the ’70s, was adjusted for inflation, it would be at least 2,900.

04:11 Mercado Oh, really? 2,900?

04:18 Fischer The article said if my rating—which was like about 2780 or whatever—were adjusted to take account of the inflation of rating points that has transpired in the last 25 years or so, my rating would be at least 2,900. Which is a lot higher than Kasparov’s. But in any event, that’s not the important thing, Pablo, because the point is I got my rating honestly. All my games are real. I’ve never prearranged a game. The Jews have nothing on me. That’s why they hate me so damn much—because I’m clean. Kasparov got his fantastic rating by prearranging almost all of his games. All of the Karpov games are prearranged. All of these Russian Jews—all prearranged. He’s a crook on a gigantic scale. You’d have the highest rating in the world too if you’d prearrange all your games.

05:18 Mercado Can you explain how they do this? I mean, how do they prearrange the matches to make it appear that they have a high rating?

05:27 Fischer Well, they have an entire Jewish organisation just prearranging games. I believe Botvinnik—he spent years developing a chess computer, but he never made this chess computer public. He never played any games with it. I believe what he was really developing was a programme to prearrange games at high speed. You can prearrange games now at unbelievably fast speed. It used to be a very tedious, hard process to prearrange a realistic-looking game. Now you can prearrange a game in a matter of minutes. They can prearrange a whole tournament, I think, in a matter of hours.

06:23 Well, on Deep Blue—it plays very well. Yeah. I think that match that Kasparov played against Deep Blue was a genuine match.

06:33 Mercado Really?

06:34 Fischer Yeah. And what did everybody say about Kasparov’s play? Ask anybody. If you read all the stories, everyone said Kasparov was “unrecognisable.” Why was he unrecognisable? Because it was a real match. His moves were not prearranged. That’s why he was unrecognisable.

07:07 Mercado Would you play against that computer?

07:09 Fischer I would play Fischer Random chess. Yeah. If there was a good offer, I would play Fischer Random chess against Deep Blue, sure.

07:23 Mercado Really? And you’re not afraid?

07:28 Fischer I’m not afraid. No. Why should I be afraid?

07:34 Mercado But you’d be playing against a machine, supposedly quicker in response than a human being.

07:41 Fischer Yeah. But I think with Fischer Random chess, the strategy is much more complex. One of the great strengths of the computers is they have an enormous opening library. They can get a really good opening generally speaking. But they can get a good opening because they’re drawing on millions and billions of hours of human manpower that has developed these openings over a couple of centuries. They’re getting the benefit of intensive study by millions of chess players all over the world for 200 years.

08:02 Now, with Fischer Random chess, the computer doesn’t have that. So I think the computer will have trouble, because the computer’s great strength is calculation, but there’s not really very much to calculate in the first few moves of the game. It’s very high-level strategy. And I don’t know—maybe the computer is up to it, but I’m not sure it’s up to it at all yet. It’s almost—this is really artificial intelligence, the early part of the game. Once you get out of the opening and the pieces start to make contact—when there are threats and tactics—the computer is very strong.

08:40 But in the early part of the game, where it’s really high-level intelligence, where there’s no immediate threat but you want to combine what you perceive as threats in the distant future with your early positional moves—you’re combining tactics and positional chess. It really takes a very deep understanding.

09:40 And once I get a good opening, I’m pretty tough—the computer will find that out. On the other hand, computers are getting better every day, getting more intelligent, and they’re getting better programmed. So I don’t guarantee anything. But I believe I could take Deep Blue, based on what I saw of its play in its last match with Kasparov. Maybe they’ve improved it a lot, I don’t know. But I believe I can take it in Fischer Random chess if it plays at the level it played against Kasparov.

10:15 Mercado That would be interesting to see.

10:19 Fischer No, they’re not interested. They’ll only deal with American corporations that are owned by dirty Jews, Pablo. They don’t want to deal with me. The United States’ interest in me is to rob everything I’ve worked for all my life, insult me, humiliate me, put me in jail. That’s the only interest that the Jew-controlled government has in me.

10:47 Torre Bobby, this is Eugene. Hi.

10:50 Fischer Hi. Yeah.

10:52 Torre Even you mentioned to me—you forgot—you mentioned that your medal when you became world champion.

10:58 Fischer Right. My FIDE medal—that’s a gold medal. And I engraved my name on the back of it. I’m sure that will make the new owner very happy—now he’s got my World Chess Championship 1972 medal with my name engraved on the back of it. How much is that worth? A fortune!

11:14 Also, I don’t think we mentioned this wooden telephone. Did we mention that wooden telephone?

11:22 Torre No, no, no. You haven’t mentioned it.

11:24 Fischer Yeah. When I played in Havana in 1965, that was the Capablanca Memorial tournament down there. I wasn’t allowed—I was invited to play, but I wasn’t allowed to go by the State Department, you know? Yeah. Because they said—of course, nowadays I would have said the hell with the State Department, I would have gone anyway. But in those days, I was still a good boy. So I didn’t go.

11:55 I didn’t go, but I played by telephone. I was in the Marshall Chess Club in New York City, and then I was sending down my moves. I was making the moves on the board, and then somebody would telegraph the moves down to—or phone the moves down to—Havana, and they would make their moves down there, and then the moves would come back to me.

12:17 Anyway, I came in—I think I came equal second or high-second in that tournament. And then, after the tournament, they sent me like a memorabilia of it—a very nice wooden telephone. It was from the Cuban telecommunications company and also from the organisers of the tournament. It had the signatures of all the players, in wood. A wooden telephone with all the signatures. Absolutely unique. A lot of those players have passed on already. Geller just died recently, and so on. And that’s been stolen too. I used to love to just look at that, just to have it on the table. It had a nice plaque. It said “To Bobby Fischer, for his participation in the tournament” and so on.

13:44 So how the hell are they going to auction this off for $480? Outrageous. And even like gold coins, silver coins, and paper money in there—just the face value of this stuff was worth more than $480. The face value! The real value of all these coins and paper money is in the thousands of dollars, because a gold coin, even if it says $20, is worth at least $300—that’s how much gold is in it. You see?

14:24 I had tons of beautiful Mariani custom-made suits that I had been photographed playing in. Just those suits are worth a fortune too, because there are lots of pictures of me playing in them. Just everything—beautiful magnetic chess sets that you can’t get anymore, made out of leather.

15:00 These are big, heavy-duty file cabinets, and one of the file cabinets had a secret safe built into it, besides the standalone safes—the 2,000-pound safe. I had a second secret safe in there too. And they broke into it. And they said this has legally changed hands for $480. Everything I worked for, for thirty years, has literally changed hands—including my contracts.

15:52 Mercado Yeah. Okay, Bobby—

15:54 Fischer The Jews are thieves. They are filthy rats. They are ritual murderers. They are the worst bastards. They are the exact opposite of what everybody thinks they are. They made up the Holocaust for money. There was no Holocaust. They’re filthy liars. They are the worst people in the world.

16:22 Mercado Okay. You’ve made your point. This is Pablo now. Alright. We still have several minutes to go. Somebody wants to ask your comment on the styles of present chess players in the world. Who do you think is a worthy opponent for you?

16:42 Fischer Well, first of all, I keep—he said chess, but I don’t play chess anymore. I play Fischer Random now.

16:53 Mercado Let’s talk about chess.

16:55 Fischer No, I’m through with chess.

16:57 Mercado Oh, okay. Alright, disregard that. But what is your comment on the styles of present chess players in the world?

17:05 Fischer Well, I don’t follow that closely, but the cheating is fantastic, I can tell you. The prearrangement is just out of this world now. A filthy Jew by the name of Yasser Seirawan, I was reading in his book called No Regrets. And he had a little section where he’s kind of ridiculing my claims that everything—almost everything—is prearranged nowadays.

17:32 And he made up a phony conversation between me and him which never took place. But in any event, his basic theory is: yes, in Fischer’s time—when he talks about “Fischer’s time,” he’s referring to the ’70s, not to now, apparently—when Fischer was the best chess player in the world, the Russians cheated a lot, because they had to cheat, because he was the best. That was the only way they could do well. But now that Fischer’s out of the picture, the Russian Jews don’t have to cheat because they’re the best. Why should they cheat? So now there’s much less cheating than before.

18:11 That’s an absolute lie and a reversal of the truth. The point is: there’s much more cheating now because it’s much easier to cheat. It’s much easier to prearrange a game with computer technology. It’s a thousand times, I don’t know, ten thousand times easier to prearrange a game today than it was thirty years ago. That’s why prearrangement is just totally dominating chess now.

18:37 Mercado Alright, Bobby, just for a while, I have to read this.

[Station break.]

19:07 Mercado Here in the Philippines, almost all chess players who ever competed have studied your moves, and you remain their idol. And some are even wishing—if you’re given a chance, would you want to visit the country? Do you have anything to say to them?

19:27 Fischer Yeah, sure. I love the Philippines. I consider the Filipinos to be very special people. They’re just very interesting to be around, because of the humour, the quickness of mind. And not just that—the emphasis on the human side, you know, which is totally lacking in the Jew-controlled United States.

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00:00 Mercado That’s a big compliment. You see, many chess aficionados here in the country really have been looking out for news about you. They would really love it if you would come visit us one time.

00:19 Fischer Yeah, yeah. Well, maybe I should—I will try and get back there soon.

00:26 Mercado So why have you decided to live in Budapest, where you are right now? Do you have plans of going home to America in the future?

00:33 Fischer Well, no. That’s really not possible. They have an arrest warrant for me. They want to put me in prison for ten years. But I like the mineral baths here very much. The baths are really fantastic.

00:43 And if you come here, you see the women. They’ve got the most beautiful women in the world right here. You see more beautiful women here in Budapest in five minutes than you’ll see in a week in LA.

00:59 And when I say LA, I’m including Hollywood and I’m including Beverly Hills. I’m not exaggerating. Really sexy, beautiful women with beautiful figures.

01:12 They have real food here. They have a fantastic diet. The women have fabulous figures here. Unbelievable.

01:33 Mercado Is that true, Eugene?

01:38 Torre Yeah, yeah. That’s true. That’s right.

01:42 Fischer I am not exaggerating, Pablo.

01:49 They’re not that easy to meet, because of the language barrier, of course. They really have it, you know.

01:58 Mercado Oh, we have beautiful women here in the Philippines too.

02:02 Fischer Yeah, yeah. I know. Very nice.

02:04 Mercado Yes. Okay. But we’re about through with the interview tonight. Do you have any special message for people in the Philippines? Here in Baguio City, you’re very dear to us.

02:15 Fischer Well, I want to thank you again, Pablo, for letting me on the air. I love Baguio. I remember the first time I was there, back in I think ’67. Absolutely marvellous place, fresh air. I hope the air is still pretty fresh. I understand the city is growing a lot.

02:34 Mercado Yes, it’s quite different right now.

02:40 Fischer But this is a really unique town there, a lovely place. And I enjoyed it up there. Yeah.

02:52 Mercado Maybe we’ll have another chance of putting you back on air. And thank you very much.

02:58 Fischer I’m sorry about the phone problems.

03:00 Mercado I think we’ll hear some words from Eugene here. Eugene, we must close.

03:08 Fischer Okay, buddy. Well, I just want to say that until now, those people you have been charging and exposing—they have not come out and tried to—

03:12 Torre Yeah, you know, that’s the first thing—

03:15 Fischer About there being two sides to every story—it’s not true. This story about this robbery of my stuff, there are not two sides to it. It’s just outright, filthy robbery by the Jews. They knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted my stuff. They didn’t want the $480 that I allegedly owed them. They wanted my stuff. That stuff is worth—the lowest lowball estimate is in the millions. Like $10,000,000. That’s the lowest lowball estimate. The real value is in the hundreds of millions.

04:19 Stuff from Nixon, the personal photos I took of President Marcos. Who has personal photos of Marcos that were never published anywhere? I don’t go around abusing my friends and publishing stuff just like that.

04:35 All the letters, all contracts, all this stuff—it’ll come out. Mark my words, Eugene. It’ll come out in the future. This was probably the biggest robbery in the history of the United States.

04:59 And it’s worse than a robbery, because when you rob things, then you have to secretly sell them underground, fence them off. No—everything has legally changed hands. All my stuff in that room has legally changed hands.

05:21 Mercado Alright. Bob, like I said, we’ll have another chance, and thank you so much for the time.

05:26 Fischer Okay. Thank you, Pablo.

05:28 Mercado Alright. Talk to you soon.

05:30 Fischer Sure. Bye.

05:32 Mercado Bye.

05:37 Mercado You know, it’s been very interesting. We will be plugging this earlier next time, so you can prepare your questions. We would like to thank of course our co-anchor, Sami Mendita. And we’ll see you again next time.

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[Pablo Mercado hosts on Bombo Radio, Baguio. GM Eugene Torre and former Fiscal (prosecutor) Joe Basco are in the studio. Bobby Fischer is on the phone from Budapest.]

00:10 Mercado As earlier announced by Sami Mendita, in just a few minutes—so without further ado, I think we have on our line right now the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer. Bobby?

00:56 Fischer Hello. How are you doing, Pablo?

00:59 Mercado Yes, I’m fine. How are you doing, Bobby?

01:01 Fischer Very good. Thank you.

01:03 Mercado Alright. It’s been quite some time since our last interview. I would like to inform you that we have with us inside our booth right now our former fiscal, Fiscal Joe Basco, as you have known from a previous interview, of course through the help of Eugene Torre right here.

01:23 Fischer By the way, for American listeners, could you explain what a fiscal is? We don’t use that term in the States.

01:29 Mercado Yes. The fiscal here is the counterpart of a district attorney in the United States. Yes, and he knows a lot about our laws here. And I understand that Fiscal Basco also knows a lot about US laws, of course. So maybe you might be interested in referring to him, especially regarding things that happened to you back in the States.

01:46 Alright. Maybe the first question, Bobby—can you tell us at this point in time if there have been any significant developments regarding your case on the sale of your memorabilia since our last interview with you?

02:15 Fischer Could Eugene read that fax that I sent to Bekins a few months ago?

02:22 Mercado Yes. He’s right here now. And then we’ll follow up after that.

02:24 Fischer Okay. I’ll tell you what new developments there are.

02:27 Mercado Alright. Okay. Here’s Eugene.

02:30 Torre Hello, Bobby. Yeah, good afternoon.

02:31 Fischer Hi, Eugene. Hi.

02:36 Torre Just want to verify if this is the fax you sent to Bekins Moving and Storage Company. Okay. I’ll read this, Bobby, and you confirm you sent this one.

[Torre reads Fischer’s fax.]

02:42 Torre This is Budapest, February 25, 1999. To Bekins, via fax: (626) 577-8734. To Bekins Moving and Storage Company, 511 South Fair Oaks Avenue, Pasadena, California 91105. Attention: Linda Carter, General Manager. From: R.J. Fischer, care of Pál Benkő, Házmán utca 21, 1026 Budapest, Hungary. Fax: (361) 385-4080.

03:54 And here is your message: “Dear Bekins: You will return to me at once all my property, which you yourselves have stolen from my storage room 12-0020, lot number 08-20022739… or else!” Signed, Bobby Fischer.

04:34 Fischer Yes. I sent that. That’s what I sent.

04:36 Mercado Yeah. So, okay.

04:39 Fischer And that’s on Bobby Ang’s internet site, is it?

04:42 Torre Yeah, yeah. It’s already on Bobby Ang’s internet site.

04:45 Fischer It’s been on there for a couple of months—a few months, already. And this is just to make it official. So we personally verify it with you.

04:56 Fischer Yes, yes. And I sent that. Those thieves at Bekins never replied. But they gave to their double agent, Bob Ellsworth—you remember, he was the one who was supposed to be paying my bills, but actually he was in collusion with Bekins to rob my stuff—they gave to their double agent Bob Ellsworth a tiny fraction of my stuff.

05:21 Mercado Can you imagine this?

05:25 Torre They gave you back something that’s less than 1%?

05:27 Fischer Yeah. A fraction of 1%. A small fraction of 1%. So I think instead of Ellsworth and Linda Carter, the General Manager of Bekins, going to prison for twenty years, they should only go to prison for nineteen years and eleven months.

05:56 Torre Anyway, what have they returned to you?

06:00 Fischer Well, they returned a lot of my scrapbooks—newspaper clippings. I had a lot of scrapbooks from newspaper clippings. They returned some of those, or some or all of them—I don’t know. They returned my letter from President Nixon that he sent me, but without the envelope—just the letter itself.

06:18 And incidentally, Eugene, I don’t know if these are the genuine articles. These could all be counterfeit. They may have kept the originals for themselves. They’ve had all the time in the world to make copies and falsify this stuff.

06:37 Mercado Yeah.

06:37 Fischer I have no idea whether this letter from President Nixon to me is the genuine article or not. Wouldn’t surprise me if they kept the genuine article for themselves and made umpteen copies to sell. The lowest Jewish pieces of shit. So everything’s possible.

06:52 Also returned to me: my book from President Nixon, from I think it was ’88. And he signed it. He called me “a great leader”—and he underlined the word “great.”

07:11 Which is very strange, because if you read what the Jews say about me, I’m just a total wreck of a human being, right?

07:17 Mercado Yeah, yeah. Like you are the lowest.

07:22 Fischer I’m a shambles. I’m a drug addict, an alcoholic, a smoker, a lunatic. I weigh 350 pounds. Whatever.

07:32 Torre They write very negative things about you, which of course—

07:38 Fischer But Nixon called me “a great leader.” How do you explain that? He underlined the word “great.” And he sent me this book, by the way, Eugene—I mean, this book—after I sent the letter to the Encyclopedia Judaica in Jerusalem, you know, explaining that I’m not a Jew and I don’t want to be included in their book as a Jew. After that letter, he still calls me a great leader.

08:10 Torre Well, I think because he saw in you a man of principle. You fight for your rights, maybe.

08:19 Fischer You know what else he supposedly said to somebody? I heard that he said, “I like Bobby because he’s a fighter.” The telegram he sent me was very interesting too. He talked about how I fought my way back. He sent me this telegram after I won the match. And it was a very interesting telegram because it talked about the classification. Anyway, it came through the US Embassy in Reykjavík. But that—they kept that for themselves, of course.

08:52 Mercado And they kept, as you say, over 99% of the stuff for themselves.

08:53 Fischer They returned one of my bank books. Can you imagine—they auctioned off this bank book twice. Once to whoever they auctioned it off to originally, then they auctioned it off to their agent Ellsworth. Can you imagine—an active bank book, they auctioned off twice.

09:14 Torre And that’s incredible. That’s a federal crime, isn’t it?

09:15 Fischer They’ve stolen and auctioned off twice a bank book—an active bank book—in LA. And they’ve kept another bank book. They kept a bank book that I had, believe it or not, in Sarajevo. I took it out about 1970 when I was there. I think I had about $1,000 or $2,000 in there, which is not much money. But today, with interest, assuming the bank is still existing after the war they had there, it would be some nice money. But in any event, I think they’re interested more in the bank book as a collector’s item.

09:53 Torre How about some letters? Did you get some personal letters back?

09:56 Fischer Yes. I got a few letters from my mom. I got a few letters from Kissinger. I got a few letters from Spassky. I got one letter from Zita Rajcsányi—she was a girlfriend of mine. We had a lot of correspondence. She sent me dozens of letters and presents and stuff. And they deemed it generous to give me back one letter. They kept all the rest for themselves. All those letters were in my safe together. They went through it—“Oh, we’ll give Fischer back one letter. We have enough stuff for ourselves. Give him back one out of dozens.”

10:25 So they kept almost all the photo albums for themselves—maybe hundreds of photos, maybe thousands of photos. They kept the key to the city of Buenos Aires. They returned about four books. They returned—oh, they returned the statue of my head.

10:59 Torre Oh, that’s good.

11:00 Fischer They kept the three-horse statue. And they kept, like I said, that wooden telephone. And they kept just about everything else. I don’t know—this is some kind of a public relations stunt, I think.

11:13 Torre Well, I hope Bekins has a change of heart and—

11:19 Fischer No, no. This is strictly—this was planned when they robbed my stuff. This return of this tiny fraction of stuff was planned. I don’t think they like me going around saying they stole bank books—active bank books. They returned an active bank book in LA. I don’t know whether they withdrew the money or not, because they have plenty of my ID up there. They may have withdrawn the money. They could easily have pretended they were me. They could easily have withdrawn the money with all the identification they have.

11:30 They’re filthy pieces of shit.

11:35 Torre Maybe, Bobby, maybe God can touch their hearts.

11:40 Fischer No, no. The Jews, the wandering Jews—their hearts have been hardened against Christ, against decency, for thousands of years. A lot of people have been hoping that for thousands of years.

12:00 I heard on the BBC a couple of years ago, some Russian playwright. They said, in which way is a repentant thief, a reformed prostitute, and a converted Jew all alike?

12:31 Torre In which way are they all alike?

12:35 Fischer They’re all exactly the same as they were before.

12:38 Torre (laughs) Anyway, I give you first to Pablo again, okay?

13:03 Mercado Well, I don’t count a fraction of 1%. They shouldn’t get any credit for that at all.

13:10 Fischer Yeah, but they should maybe get one month or two months off of their prison time, you know.

13:15 Mercado Yeah, I think it’s a start. At least it’s a start, don’t you think so?

13:33 Fischer Well, again, they may try some more public relations, but it will never be 100%, and it will always be just a tiny, tiny fraction of what they stole from me. I checked the records, I sent Eugene another list of 22 boxes.

13:48 They have sold at least 150 boxes—probably a lot more, maybe up to 200 boxes of stuff—plus tons of bags of stuff, plus freestanding stuff, plus two huge file cabinets of stuff, plus a big 2,000-pound safe full of stuff. They sold all the stuff in that room, including the file cabinets and the safes.

14:50 Fischer Well, here’s what I understand from Rosemary Choate—this is the wife of my attorney, or now my ex-attorney, because in my opinion he’s in on this whole goddamn thing. What I understand is Bekins sold everything to one buyer, and now this buyer has been auctioning it off.

15:16 Well, I think all of it is staying in the Jews’ hands. I think all these auctions and sales are basically for show. It’s all staying in the Jews’ hands. They’re going to try to exploit this stuff for all its worth. It’s only going to go up in value.

15:32 Also, why sell it when you can license it? It’s like Christ with the loaves of bread and the fish, right? It just keeps going and going and going. Why sell the original stuff when you can exploit it forever? So I think all of this stuff is remaining in Jewish hands.

16:03 Fischer I’m attacking the United States government. The US government was behind this, because Bekins never would have done this without the approval of the US government—because this is criminal stuff. They were promised the Pasadena police wouldn’t do anything and the press would be mum about it. But I’m going to keep on exposing it. So at least they’re going to pay—the Jews are going to pay, the US government is going to pay in terms of their image, and Bekins is going to pay in terms of their image. But I don’t expect to get back more than a very tiny amount of this stuff.

16:35 Mercado I see. So you think the US government is involved in this latest development, where Bekins gave a few things back to you?

16:44 Fischer No—I think the US government was involved in the robbery in advance, because I’m sure Bob Ellsworth and Bekins would never have done this without the promise from the US government that they won’t go to jail. Because this is criminal stuff.

17:14 Fischer And don’t forget, Pablo—the US government wants to put me in prison for ten years. This was basically government expropriation of my stuff under cover of Bekins. Do you understand?

17:24 Mercado Yes, I do. Bob, I would like to ask for just a few minutes, okay? We have this ongoing promo at our station.

[Station break.]

18:14 Mercado And we’re back with Bobby Fischer on the line, still live from Hungary. Bob, I’m giving you back to Eugene. He has a few questions for you.

18:27 Torre Hello, Bobby. This is Eugene. People are just wondering, you know, why the police are not acting—because, for example, they think, if this happened to Kasparov, or to Spielberg, you know, a well-known person—I think they would have acted right away, no? But here there is zero action.

18:58 Fischer Let us not forget, Eugene—I was tortured in the Pasadena jailhouse for two days. Remember that? It was way back around 1980–81. I wrote a booklet about it. And they’ve stolen a few hundred copies of that booklet from me too. So the Pasadena police are completely corrupt and controlled by the Jews.

[Fischer was arrested in Pasadena, California, on 26 May 1981 and held for about two days; police said he matched the description of a wanted bank-robbery suspect. He gave his account of the episode in a self-published 1982 pamphlet, I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jailhouse. A complete scan of the pamphlet is archived at https://archive.org/details/i-was-tortured-in-the-pasadena-jailhouse-by-bobby-fischer; its text is also transcribed at https://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/pasad.htm.]

19:19 Mercado So that’s why there’s no action at all?

19:23 Fischer Well, they have instructions from the US government and from world Jewry not to do anything. This Bob Ellsworth is a terrible coward. He would never have pulled this without being promised that he wouldn’t be touched.

19:39 Incidentally, Eugene—this Linda Carter, the General Manager of the Bekins branch in Pasadena—she’s not the lovely and talented Lynda Carter, Wonder Woman, you know?

19:56 Torre Wonder Woman?

19:58 Fischer She is not. She’s just a filthy piece of work.

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00:00 Fischer Lynda Carter, Wonder Woman, is a beautiful, lovely woman, and it broke my heart when she married that dirty Jewish thief. Do you remember that? She married a dirty Jewish criminal who got in trouble for some huge scam—like all the Jews—but he got off.

00:25 Lynda Carter, Wonder Woman—if you ever leave this Jewish thief, if you’ve ever had enough, give me a call. Maybe it’s not too late for us.

00:35 Torre That’s a nice message.

00:37 Fischer Anyway—Lynda, not all marriages are made in heaven.

00:47 Torre Bobby, who do you hold responsible besides, let’s say, Ellsworth, Bekins, and the US government?

00:55 Fischer Well, the list is very, very long. World Jewry, the Jewish world government, of course is behind all of this. They’re above the US government. The US government is just a façade. And of course the press—everyone is working to cover this up. Even my two ex-lawyers—Joseph Cho and Charles Basheian—in my opinion, they were in on the planning.

01:20 America is totally under control of the Jews. I mean, look what they’re doing now in Yugoslavia—just butchery, disgusting. And you can see who are the top people there? Clinton—maybe he’s not a Jew, maybe he is—but Albright is a Jew for sure. And Cohen, William Cohen, is also a Jew for sure. So the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense are dirty Jews.

01:37 And this guy, Wesley Clark, by the way—he may not be a Jew, but he’s just a goddamn errand boy. And who is that guy, that special envoy who kept going over to Yugoslavia all the time? Holbrooke. Holbrooke is a dirty Jew. So the Jews are in total control of this bombing of Yugoslavia. It is really criminal. I’m disappointed with the Russians that they’re not giving the Yugoslavs good enough weapons to defend themselves and also hit back. I’d like to see Yugoslavia hit back at NATO countries.

[Fischer’s own one-page transcript of this exchange, which he posted on his website under the heading “Bobby says he’d like to see Yugoslavia get some good missiles so that they could even hit the White House”:]

02:37 Mercado Here’s Pablo again. Bob, I mentioned earlier that we also have with us our Fiscal Joe Basco here, and I would like to give the telephone to him. So maybe he can ask some questions to you.

02:57 Fiscal Basco Hello, Bobby. How are you?

03:00 Fischer I’m fine. How about you?

03:03 Fiscal Basco Well, I’m good. You know, the Jews have robbed what took you decades to put together.

03:10 You are in Hungary, Budapest, is that correct?

03:14 Fischer I’m in Budapest right now, yeah.

03:17 Fiscal Basco Now I just want to ask some questions. What’s the status of the indictment against you for alleged violation of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act? That’s still standing?

03:40 Fischer As soon as I get off the plane in the US, they’re gonna put the handcuffs on me, take me away to a jail cell from which there’s a good chance I’ll never get out.

03:50 Fiscal Basco You are presumed innocent until proven guilty. That is the presumption. So why don’t you face it?

04:02 Fischer The US is completely controlled by dirty Jews. I don’t have any confidence at all in the US justice system.

04:11 Fiscal Basco Bobby, you’re an American, no? So being an American, of course, you love America.

04:23 Fischer You see, that’s why I’m surprised. Well, I’ve had a lot of experiences in the US of injustices. I was tortured for two days in the Pasadena jailhouse. They have violated all my intellectual property rights. I sued Time Incorporated years ago—had an overwhelming case, all the documents you can imagine. I got laughed out of court after a year and a half. Basically, Fiscal, these cases are not decided in court. They’re decided by the press. They’re the ones who condition everything and prepare the public to accept the verdict, which is arranged in advance. And the press is 100% controlled by the Jews and is 100% against me.

05:30 Well, we have to differentiate between the ordinary American people and the people who control the ruling circles in America, who are all Jewish. I know I have plenty of Christian, non-Jewish fans in America. I know that. A lot of Muslim fans in America. But the dirty Jews—that’s another thing.

05:55 People think there’s just 5 or 6 million Jews in America. This is nonsense. There are tens of millions of Jews in America. There are at least 25, 30 million Jews in America.

06:07 Fiscal Basco Are you making me understand, Bobby, that the Jews are somewhat holding the neck of the American government?

06:16 Fischer Absolutely. Well, look at the administration. Secretary of Defense Cohen, Secretary of State Albright, Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin—he just resigned, but this other guy who took over, this fat guy, I think Summers, is also a goddamn Jew, I’m sure. They’ve got every position there. The spokesman for the State Department, another Jew by the name of Rubin. Jew, Jew, Jew, Jews everywhere. It’s a nightmare in the United States.

06:57 Fiscal Basco Another thing, Bobby. I know you are a very intelligent person. You are a chess player; to me, I consider you… I play chess also, and I’ve been reading some of your chess games, I’ve been analysing some of your chess games with Reshevsky and the best of the world. There was even a quotation that you are the greatest player that ever lived. I agree with that. But—the concept, that America shouldn’t be run by the Jews…

07:33 Fischer It shouldn’t be, but it is. A lot of things in this world shouldn’t be, but they are. Well, you can see—just study my case. Look, it’s just one crime after another against me. I’ve never got any justice in court. I was tortured for two days in the Pasadena jailhouse. The list goes on and on.

08:10 Searching for Bobby Fischer is a movie. I get nothing for that. I get nothing from My 60 Memorable Games from any edition anymore. The illegal CD-ROM, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess—I get nothing for that. Even my patented chess clock—they’re selling clocks using my patented timing system in the United States where I have a US patent protecting my system. And now they robbed all my stuff in storage at Bekins, which is an absolute fortune. Not just the stuff itself—but all the contracts and legal documents. They want to destroy my legacy. The hatred the Jews have toward me just won’t quit.

09:05 They want to put me in prison for ten years. For what? For playing chess. It’s totally absurd. Can you imagine me in jail, talking to some multiple killer, and I ask him, “What are you in here for?” He says, “Oh, I killed this guy and that guy. I’m a serial killer.” “What are you in here for?” “Oh, I played chess in Yugoslavia about seven or eight years ago.”

09:59 Fiscal Basco Let me go back to your lost personal properties. According to my information, it was lost because you didn’t pay tax—you had a tax debt with the American government. Is that correct?

10:13 Fischer Well, the Jews are putting out different stories. This is the very latest story they put out in New in Chess magazine. They’re saying I didn’t pay a $480 tax debt, because world Jewry saw that the original story—that I didn’t pay Bekins a few hundred dollars—didn’t wash, especially because I have the cancelled checks I sent Ellsworth. I even sent him the last check for $5,000 to pay my bills there by registered mail.

11:34 Fiscal Basco You saw the cancelled checks he’s been sending every year. But are you sure that Ellsworth actually paid it to the storage company?

11:38 Fischer No, no, no. These checks were not to the US government. These checks were for my bills in the States. I had some property in Florida. I had stuff in storage in New York City, and I had this stuff in storage in Pasadena, which has all been robbed. So I was sending him $5,000 a year to pay these bills. The last three years, I sent him $5,000, $5,000, $5,000. He was paying my bills for the Morgan and Brother storage house in New York, and then he was paying Bekins in Pasadena, and plus he was paying my property tax in Florida. He was supposed to be paying all this. But in any event, he deliberately stopped paying my storage in Pasadena behind my back.

12:59 And even in 1998, I sent him the check for $5,000—I sent it by registered mail. I have the receipt for the registered mail. He got the check. I talked to him several times. He told me he paid it. But he didn’t pay it. And not only that—he’s going to my P.O. box all the time, picking up my mail. Bekins is sending him notifications that they’re going to auction off my stuff. He’s hiding this from me. Obviously, he’s in collusion with Bekins so that they can have a pretext to rob my belongings. Obviously, a criminal conspiracy.

13:36 Fiscal Basco Was there any auction, and were you or your lawyer notified in advance?

13:45 Fischer Bob Ellsworth is picking up my mail. They’re notifying Bob Ellsworth, but Ellsworth, working for Bekins, is just not telling me. You understand? That’s the game.

13:59 Fiscal Basco Do you have any lawyer in the States who could have objected?

14:01 Fischer Look, I don’t know anything, Fiscal. All I know is what a few people tell me. There’s almost nothing in the press about this. I don’t have any lawyer at the moment, because as soon as this happened, my two lawyers, Joseph Cho and Charles Basheian, tell me it’s all perfectly legal—I have nothing to complain about, I just chose the wrong person to pay my bills.

14:41 In my opinion, these two motherfuckers, Joseph Cho Jr. and Charles Basheian Jr., are in on this robbery. They were in on the planning of this robbery. Because when I talked to them about this, when I first found out, they were not at all surprised. They knew about it in advance, in my opinion.

15:14 And both of them are very close to the US government. This Charles Basheian Jr. is a former congressman, and he’s on the payroll of the US government—he gets a sizable pension as an ex-congressman. And the other bastard, Joseph Cho Jr., is also very close to the government. He was one of the lawyers defending Ollie North, and he has done a lot of other work for the government, for the agricultural department and so on. Their bread is buttered.

16:12 Fiscal Basco What about the indictment? What’s really happening with that?

16:17 Fischer Nothing. It’s been standing there since December 15, 1992. There’s nothing to do.

16:25 Fiscal Basco They’re going to keep it pending there?

16:28 Fischer What do you want me to do? Put my head into the Jewish lion’s mouth and hope for their mercy?

16:40 Well, what I’m hoping is that there’ll be a revolution in the US, and the Jewish government will be overthrown. I’m sure once the federal government breaks down, these white militia people all over the country—in Texas and Montana and Washington—they’ll take the country back into the people’s hands. Right now you just have a vicious Jewish dictatorship.

17:13 The people in Serbia and Yugoslavia—I told them when I was there: the US is not your friend. It’s controlled by the Jews. They wouldn’t listen to me. They said, “No, no. We helped the US win World War II.” I said, “You were on the wrong side. America is not your friend.” “No, no—America is our friend.” They wouldn’t listen. It’s a little late now, but I think they’re waking up. They realise the West, and especially the United States and England, are not their friends at all.

18:00 Fiscal Basco How many countries are bombing Yugoslavia? About more than thirty?

18:06 Fischer I think nineteen. About nineteen.

18:14 Fischer Bombing hospitals and TV stations and prisons—I mean, it’s inhuman.

18:20 Mercado Okay, Bob, this is Pablo again. So you had lawyers back in the States who were supposed to help you, right?

18:30 Fischer Right.

18:32 Mercado Now you know what they did. They’re on the other side, it turned out.

18:40 Mercado Don’t you think you should try to get some other lawyer now?

18:46 Fischer Yes. I would like—if there’s a genuinely anti-Jewish attorney in the States. I don’t know if—I mean, openly anti-Jewish. Somebody who openly says the Holocaust never happened, the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are true, the Jews are in a conspiracy to take over the world, the Jews are filthy criminals. If there is such an attorney, have him get in touch with me—maybe we can work something out.

19:12 Mercado Alright. But that would be hard to find.

19:15 Fischer Very hard to find. America is a very Jew-ified country.

19:21 Mercado So what if you don’t ever find one? Would you just let it go and keep on hitting them through the internet?

19:32 Fischer Well, even if I found such a lawyer, I don’t expect him to get any justice for me. But he could kind of help me one way or another to spread my views, and with some whatever remaining tiny business I may have to do with the US.

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00:00 Mercado Alright. Okay. Anyway—

00:02 Fischer He can give me some moral support.

00:04 Mercado Alright. Yes, that’s what we’re trying to do right now, in a way. Thank you, Pablo. Our previous interviews have been put on the internet already, and I understand this interview will still be on the internet too.

00:20 Have you had some reactions from internet users regarding our previous interviews so far?

00:29 Fischer I don’t know. I’ve talked to Eugene. Apparently—I haven’t really kept up just the last month or so. What is the latest, Eugene? Any interesting stuff?

00:39 Torre Yes, this is Eugene. Some reactions—some good, some bad. Anyway, that’s it.

01:03 But many people are wondering, Bobby, because you have such a rare position. And they say: why didn’t you grab the chance to be on the side of the Jews and then enjoy the good life? All opportunities would be open to you. Because I think many people believe that almost anyone in your position would have taken that offer. Is it because you’re a fighter, or you’re principled, or what?

01:53 Fischer I have a crazy quirk, Eugene. I like to say what I think. And if you’re going to work for the Jews, you can no longer say what you think. You can’t say the Holocaust never happened, for example. That’s an absolute no-no. You cannot say that circumcision is a crime. There are so many things you cannot say once you get on the Jewish bandwagon.

02:21 I’ve always been this way. I like to say what I like to say. You know what I mean?

02:26 Torre You want to be free.

02:28 Fischer Right. I think that’s it. I like to be free, at least in my mind. I would rather be free in my mind and be locked up in a prison cell than to be a coward, not be able to say what I want, and be on the outside. Have to prostitute myself to the Jews.

02:46 Torre I think it’s very rare to have somebody like you, Bobby.

02:51 Fischer Well, it’s becoming increasingly rare. There used to be a lot of people like me, but little by little, the Jewish spirit seems to be conquering all. Because of all the money they have and all the wonderful things you can buy with money nowadays.

03:09 Torre For example, people are writing and talking about your sanity—that you’re crazy, that you’re out of your mind, that you hate the Jews and all that. Although I think the Jews hate you.

03:32 Fischer They hate me much more than I hate them. I have more of a contempt for the Jews than hatred. They’re hardly worthy of hate. They’re such garbage.

03:44 Torre And I was wondering—why don’t they write about Bekins and Ellsworth, for example? How can they do this to you? They are at the root cause of all this.

04:01 Fischer Well, this is proof, Eugene. This is clear proof that the US government is behind this, because what power is there that can completely black out a major story like this? The press is saying, “Fischer says the Holocaust never happened,” or “Fischer says the Jews are no good.” They’re not giving any of the details, any of the facts of this robbery—this mega-robbery of my stuff in Bekins.

04:33 The fact that I sent the money to Bob Ellsworth—I did exactly the same thing in 1998, when my stuff was robbed, as I did in 1997. In 1997, I sent $5,000. There was no problem. 1996, I sent $5,000. There was no problem. What happened in 1998? It wasn’t me. It was Bob Ellsworth and Bekins who did something different. I did exactly the same thing in 1998 as I had in ’97 and ’96.

05:10 I sent Ellsworth the check for $5,000 by registered mail. He told me he received the check. It was a bank cheque, not a personal cheque. He told me he paid it. He told me several times during the year all my accounts were current. Bekins was sending him letters telling him they’re gonna sell my stuff. He’s not telling me—he didn’t pay it, and he’s lying to me. Obviously, a criminal conspiracy between Bekins and Ellsworth. And they’re both put up to it by the US government, because it’s clear—why should Bekins and Ellsworth be rewarded with my property for entering into a conspiracy to rob me?

05:56 They were told in advance by the United States government: “You can do this. We will protect you. Don’t worry about the law.”

06:03 Torre Because from the chess magazines, I was browsing and looking for any opinion in the columns—any write-ups about Bekins and Ellsworth and the process of law that they should have gone through before they went into this robbery. No analysis of anything. And I could hardly see “Bekins” spelled anywhere.

06:32 Fischer I don’t think the name Bekins has ever been published anywhere. Nothing. But this is one of the biggest moving companies in the world. Maybe the biggest in the world. They have a branch right here in Budapest. They’re all over the world. They’re all over the USA. But their image is being protected also by the press and by the US government.

07:12 They would never have entered into this if they thought they were going to get arrested. The owners of Bekins, by the way—Bekins is owned by GeoLogistics Incorporated, of Hillside, Illinois. And I’m sure that’s a Jewish company.

07:54 I would tell anybody, all over the world: get your stuff out of Bekins. They’re crooks. Don’t trust Bekins. I would also go further. I would tell anybody: if you are anti-Jewish or anti-American in any way, if you’ve ever spoken out against the Jews or the US government, get yourself out of storage, get yourself out of a safe-deposit box, close out your bank account, sell your houses, your real estate, your yacht—whatever you have in the US, get it out of that goddamn country, because the Jews, on one pretext or another, are going to take it. They’re going to confiscate it.

08:37 Torre Anyway, another thing, Bobby—because some people who listened to your interview, in the earlier interviews you were saying that there were reports that your prize money was not given to you, or you lost your deposit in some bank in Yugoslavia. And they said, you keep saying that, but they were wondering—did you really read that in the newspapers or magazines, or were you just making it up?

09:23 Torre Where did you get your information?

09:30 Fischer Well, I’ll give you one example. Here’s a magazine called American Chess Journal. This is issue number 2. And on page 7, there’s a “Fischer update.” And it says here: “Fischer, according to USA Today, had deposited most of his $3,000,000-plus of prize money in the Jugoskandik Bank. When the bank failed, he apparently lost his money. He is under indictment by the US government for violating US law by playing the Spassky match in Yugoslavia. The fugitive Fischer may now wonder what he has actually gained by playing the match with Spassky.”

10:43 And then later on in the article, it says: “After the Yugoslav bank crashed, Fischer moved north to a small village near the Serbian border with Hungary… Fischer said he was being cheated, betrayed, and abused, deeply depressed about being cheated of his prize money. He was being poisoned by drugs and moved and talked like a broken man.” Okay. So there you have it—they mentioned it twice in this article that I lost my money.

11:04 Incidentally, Eugene, there’s another very curious point here. This article in American Chess Journal—just before this “Fischer update” where they tell all this bullshit that I lost my prize money—they have an article called “Going Once.” And you know what it’s about? An auction. And it says: “On April 29, 1993, an auction of chess sets and other chess collectibles, including a few books, was held in New York City. Auctioneer Géza von Habsburg conducted the proceedings with impressive efficiency and a bit of humour.”

12:01 This article about the auction and the “Fischer update” about my losing my money in Yugoslavia came out in 1993. Right before the “Fischer update” when they said I lost all my money, they’re talking about chess auctions. Can I tell you that the reason they spread the story that I’m broke was to condition people—so that when they officially auctioned off all my stuff, people would say, “Oh well, he lost everything, he’s broke.” You know what I mean?

12:44 Just see how satanic and evil the Jews are. American Chess Journal, by the way, is a totally Jewish publication. It was affiliated with the American Chess Foundation—a totally Jewish outfit. I think American Chess Foundation has changed their name recently to “Chess-in-the-Schools.” Still headed by the Jew bastard Alan Kaufman.

[Fischer’s website preserves scans of an earlier issue of the American Chess Journal—the premiere issue (Number 1, 1992)—including its cover and its long feature on his career. They are reproduced in Appendix B.]

13:10 Torre Okay, Bobby. I’ll give it back to Pablo because he has to make some announcements.

13:14 Mercado Alright. Again, Bobby, I would like to ask for a couple of minutes. We have some reminders again for our listeners. Just a moment—we’ll be back with Bobby Fischer after this.

[Station break.]

13:46 Mercado And we go back to Bobby. Bobby, for a couple more questions—we’re about to wind up in about four minutes.

14:08 Alright. Here’s one question. In our previous interviews, we’ve had some reactions from the internet also. And they were wondering about your feelings about the Jews. And you said to me: why don’t you ask Bobby about his sad experience with the Jews when he was a young boy, around nine years old? Do you still remember that, Bobby?

14:42 Fischer Oh, alright. Yeah. I don’t know exactly—I think I was younger than nine. Very young. Maybe even younger. I think I was maybe seven or eight already. Very, very young.

14:53 Mercado What happened?

14:55 Fischer Well, I was walking down the street near where I used to live in Brooklyn, right near Eastern Parkway. And I walked by like a catering place where they used to have parties. And I’m walking by and I saw some little kids in there, and it’s like, “Hey, come on in—this guy is paying a lot of money just to move some chairs around.” Because I guess they had a party there and they were stacking up chairs and cleaning up the place. This was a Jewish place, by the way. This was a Jewish neighbourhood.

15:27 Anyway, I went in there, and all you had to do was move these chairs around, but there were hundreds, maybe thousands of chairs. It was tremendous work. Me and these other little kids, we were moving these chairs around for hours. And while we’re moving the chairs, we’re talking about: what are we going to get from the boss? Some of us said a dollar, some of us said fifty cents. We were all very excited.

16:02 We worked for several hours like dogs. And then at the end, this fat Jew bastard—you know what he gave us? Ten cents each.

16:12 Mercado For the whole work?

16:13 Fischer Yes. For several hours’ work. He gave us kids ten cents each.

16:18 Mercado Oh, really?

16:20 Fischer And this was a hell of a good lesson for me. I said, my God, these fucking Jews are unbelievable.

16:27 Mercado So that started you thinking about the Jews, then?

16:31 Fischer Well, that was just one of many, many things. I knew the Jews were tight-fisted, but even I had no idea that they were so greedy and heartless.

16:41 Mercado Alright. Okay, Bob, I can’t ask any more questions. We’re running out of time. Your parting shot for tonight’s interview?

16:58 Fischer No, I don’t think so, Pablo. I’m just very happy to be on your radio. Nobody else wants me. It’s absolutely unbelievable. Here I am, a world-famous figure, offering to go on the radio free of charge anywhere in the world, and nobody wants me. It tells you the Jews have practically set up a world dictatorship.

17:15 And what this motherfucker Yasser Seirawan is writing in his magazine Inside Chess—that my life is “drawing to an ugly conclusion” because of the things I’m saying about the Jews. Bob Ellsworth’s life is not drawing to an ugly conclusion? Bekins’ life is not drawing to an ugly conclusion? No—they’re all doing fine. But my life, because I’m telling the truth about the Jews, complaining that I’ve been robbed of my life’s work, what took me thirty years to put together—my life is “drawing to an ugly conclusion” according to this dirty, circumcised Jew bastard Yasser Seirawan, who’s married to a fucking Jewish bitch also.

18:25 And I was just told by Eugene that the magazine is going out of business. I think maybe it’s because I outed Seirawan—I outed him as a dirty Jew. Outed another motherfucker, this Tim Krabbé—he’s also admitted he’s a dirty Jew. So all you dirty Jews, come out of the closet.

18:43 Mercado Bob, thank you very much for giving your time.

18:47 Fischer Okay. Yes. Thank you, Pablo.

18:51 Mercado Alright.

[Mercado turns to Torre for a closing statement.]

19:10 Torre Well, I think many people are saying: how can Bobby change his opinion towards the Jews? I think for him to change, there should be a change of heart also on the part of the other side—of the US and also the Jewish groups that have done injustice to him. And if Bobby sees this, I think there’s hope. I do believe it’s not too late.

19:52 Mercado That’s right. And finally, Fiscal?

20:05 Fiscal Basco I am more confused than verified. But as Eugene said a while ago, I hope everybody will be enlightened—the American government, even Bobby Fischer himself.

20:20 Mercado (in Tagalog) Mga kaibigan, maraming, maraming salamat. (Friends, thank you very, very much.) We will have a chance to talk to Bobby Fischer again, facilitated by Grandmaster Eugene Torre. Good evening to all of you.

8 Dagupan, Philippines, June 27, 1999 ↑

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[This interview takes place on DWCM Radio, Dagupan City, Pangasinan. The hosts are Jun Tucet (announcer/journalist) and GM Eugene Torre. Local chess players and officials are present in the studio, including Attorney Tony Beltran (city legal counsel). Bobby Fischer calls in from Budapest. There are phone connection problems at the start.]

00:05 Torre But—people are here just for a few minutes, you know. Because everybody wants to talk something. Okay? But because many people are waiting here—lawyers, everybody, journalists. By the way, how is it possible you came through? What kind of phone do you have?

00:24 Fischer What do you mean? It’s the circuit there. It’s your circuit there—it’s the problem, not here. When we call you, we could hear you, but we cannot talk to you.

00:40 Torre If you call, then you can connect. But if we call there, I don’t know. We have to check about that. But we have no time about that, okay?

[Several attempted reconnections in Tagalog/English; “Crag Juan, you’re on air now.”]

01:32 Fischer Yeah, this is Fischer speaking.

01:43 Velasco Hello, good evening, Bobby. This is Francisco Velasco in Dagupan, Philippines. We have been waiting for your voice to get in. We’ve been here for the past two and a half hours.

02:11 Fischer Very good, yeah.

02:12 Velasco Would you want to say a few words to the group of people in Dagupan City, Philippines, before we start asking questions?

02:27 Fischer What is the name of this station?

02:28 Velasco DWCM, Bobby. DWCM Radio, Dagupan City, Philippines.

02:43 Fischer Yeah. I don’t think I live there, but I’m listening.

02:48 Tucet You know, thousands of listeners are tuning in to this programme, Mr. Fischer. Probably we could get to the point. It looks like you are having some problems with the Jewish community in the US.

03:28 Fischer What is your first name?

03:30 Tucet Jun.

03:33 Fischer Jun? It’s pronounced Jun? Like the month of June?

03:38 Tucet Yes, sir.

03:47 Fischer Okay. What was the question again?

03:52 Tucet Some people are worried about why you had not appeared for so long before the public, and we thought that it’s because of your problems with the Jewish community in the US and in the West.

04:08 Fischer Yeah. Well, I’ve been giving a number of interviews the last few months because I’ve had enough shit from these bastards. They completely control the US. The US is just a façade. It really hardly exists—it’s a toy in the Jews’ hands. It’s totally Jewish in the US now. They control the federal government. They control everything on all the local levels. It’s a farce in the United States.

04:32 These Jews are malicious bastards. It’s just one crime against me after another, culminating now—they have robbed all of my stuff in storage, with the blessings of the US government. This stuff took me years to accumulate. There’s a whole room full of stuff. I had it in storage for twelve years. The goddamn Jews just robbed it all.

04:59 They say it’s all perfectly legal. They robbed $20 gold coins, silver dollars, two huge file cabinets full of stuff, 150 to 200 boxes full of stuff, a big 2,000-pound safe—they broke into that too, robbed everything in it. They robbed all my mementos from the Philippines. I had a big album given to me when I visited the Philippines. They robbed the photo album I got from President Marcos, robbed my letter from President Marcos, robbed all my personal pictures, including the Polaroids I took of President Marcos and the First Lady, and they robbed all my “Mabuhay Bobby” posters. All my chess sets, all my fan mail, all my legal files—just a huge amount of stuff. They just robbed every fucking thing in Bekins storage.

06:09 I sent the money to my agent. He told me he paid it, but actually he didn’t, because he was in collusion with Bekins to give them a pretext to rob all my stuff. The US government is pretending it’s all legal, and the Jewish press, what little they say about it, are treating it as something perfectly normal.

06:35 Tucet Did you not seek the help of any lawyer?

06:39 Fischer I did. These goddamn lawyers are all controlled too. I had two lawyers, but they’re in on this thing—they’re in on this robbery. I got rid of them right away. They’re telling me everything’s legal. Don’t forget, Jun—I’m under indictment myself by the US government. They want to put me in prison for ten years.

07:16 Tucet Yeah. We understand that.

07:18 Fischer Well, it’s kinda silly to expect the US government to respect my property when they want to put me myself in prison. But nonetheless, the United States is supposed to be a government of law, not of men.

07:51 Tucet Our lawyer would like to ask some questions.

07:55 Fischer Yeah, sure. What’s his name?

07:58 Tucet His name is Attorney Tony Beltran.

08:08 Atty. Beltran Good evening, Mr. Fischer. This is Attorney Beltran of Dagupan City. I am the legal counsel of our city. My question is this: I learned from Eugene that your storage room in the United States was robbed—

08:18 Fischer This was my storage room, robbed by the very company that was supposed to be protecting it—Bekins Moving and Storage Company, the Pasadena, California branch.

08:41 Atty. Beltran Yes. How did you come to know that your property was taken?

08:49 Fischer The first I heard of it was—a friend of mine in Yugoslavia called me up and said that he heard about it on the internet, that there was going to be an auction of some of my belongings at a place called Dryer and Feil. I think this is in Irvine, California. They were auctioning off a tiny part of the stuff that Bekins had confiscated. But anyway, Bekins apparently auctioned this off to some confederate—“auction” in quotes—and now this buyer has been re-auctioning some of it off.

10:17 Atty. Beltran Why did you not seek the assistance of counsel in the United States to help you?

10:22 Fischer I had two attorneys, and right away they’re telling me everything’s legal.

10:29 Atty. Beltran But if what you describe is illegal—you were robbed of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars—

10:39 Fischer These fucking lawyers, Joseph Cho Junior and Charles Basheian Junior, are in on the robbery. They claim I owed them a few hundred dollars. But I didn’t know, because I sent it to Bob Ellsworth, who had been paying these fees for five years. Obviously, he was working with Bekins in collusion.

11:13 Atty. Beltran I learned from Eugene that Ellsworth was not properly notifying you, and that is one of the requirements before an auction could be done.

11:17 Fischer Well, here’s the point, attorney. Ellsworth—see, he’s picking up my mail. I gave him the keys to my mailbox, and he’s picking up my mail in Pasadena, where Bekins is sending the bills. Right? So they’re sending him the bills saying they’re going to auction off all my stuff, but he’s working with Bekins—he hasn’t paid them like he told me, and he’s not telling me that they’re sending him notice that they’re going to auction off my stuff. You understand? That’s the game.

12:07 Atty. Beltran I think my only advice to you is to seek—I mean, you will be sleeping on your rights if you don’t act.

12:18 Fischer I sent a fax, attorney, to Bekins, but they’ve never responded. I called them—they will give me no information.

12:28 Atty. Beltran Do you have a friend in America who could help you?

12:32 Fischer My mother died a couple of years back. My sister died last summer. My two attorneys turned out to be on the other side.

13:05 Torre Tony Beltran here said earlier—this is Eugene, Bobby—he said earlier that it’s illegal what they did to you.

13:23 Fischer That stuff is worth a goddamn fortune, and I’m not exaggerating. I’m telling you something—it’s gonna turn out one day that this stuff is worth more than the entire Bekins Corporation put together, including all of their branches all over the US and all over the world.

13:51 But it’s just a mania these days for memorabilia, and they got a huge room full of my stuff. Everything you can imagine. And this is totally illegal. The fact that Bekins hasn’t answered, the press is blacking out this story—where is the investigative journalism in the United States? Here’s a hot story—Fischer is making all these accusations. Why don’t they call up Bob Ellsworth? Why don’t they call up Bekins? Why don’t they write huge stories about this robbery? If Kasparov lost $1 million—if $1 million was robbed from him, like what they robbed from me—it would be front-page all over the goddamn world. They’d call it anti-Semitism. They’d be screaming to get that little stuff back, and they’d be demanding those people go to prison. With me, it’s totally blacked out. The only way I get my views out is indirectly—going all the way from Hungary to the Philippines and then putting it on the internet.

15:04 Tucet I am just wondering—why do you choose the Philippines?

15:09 Fischer Because I can’t get on anywhere else.

15:12 Tucet How about your friends in Hungary? Are they not helping you over there?

15:16 Fischer I got on one programme here. I got cut off after a while, and that’s it. No more interviews for me here.

15:25 Tucet You know, Bobby, this is rather strange, because the Philippines—we learned our journalistic ropes and legal system from the US. So do you think you can expect a break from the Philippines?

15:44 Fischer Of course. Filipinos have a heart. You’ve been oppressed by Spain and then later by the US, and finally you kicked the goddamn Americans out. And I’m disappointed that Estrada is giving them some kind of landing rights for US military to come back. That’s a terrible mistake—shameful for the Philippines. You shouldn’t let those guys come in with their ships at all. As a matter of fact, you should shut down your US embassy in Manila. I’ll tell you why—it’s very dangerous to have an American embassy now, because the United States is committing so many vicious crimes all over the world: in Kosovo, in Yugoslavia, supporting the bandit state of Israel, which is slaughtering the Palestinians and the Lebanese people. The United States is hated all over the world, and there’s going to be more embassy attacks. Just now, the United States closed up a whole bunch of their African embassies because they’re afraid of new embassy attacks by Osama bin Laden and his group. And this is all because of US criminal behaviour. The United States is endangering the lives of Americans all over the world, and they’re endangering the lives of nationals in other countries like the Philippines, with their embassies. You should close down that goddamn embassy before it gets blown up.

17:15 Tucet I sincerely agree with you, Bobby. In fact, I voted against the Visiting Forces Agreement.

17:23 Fischer This Estrada—he pretends to be a populist and a man of the people. He likes chess, which is very nice. But the guy’s a phony bastard.

17:36 Tucet Well, I’m turning the mic to Eugene before the US Embassy will reject my visa.

17:46 Torre Hello, Bobby. The station was gracious enough to extend this one. So maybe I can ask you about some of the responses from the internet. Let’s go into some of them because they’re gonna be dated if we don’t touch on them now.

[Torre begins reading listener emails.]

18:24 Torre This one from Tom Wedberg, sent February 8, 1999: “Dear Mr. Fischer, I just want to send this greeting to tell you that I feel you have been mistreated by the American government. I really hope that you are allowed to go back to the US soon. Your games and accomplishments at the chessboard have been a great inspiration for me. To see you play again would be a dream come true. Best regards from one of your fans, Tom Wedberg, Stockholm, Sweden.”

19:06 Torre This Tom Wedberg is a grandmaster, you know.

19:08 Fischer Oh, really? I didn’t know that. I never heard of him.

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[Torre continues reading email responses. Multiple local chess fans and officials ask questions.]

00:02 Torre Page 6. Date is Friday, February 12, 1999: “Dear Bobby, thank you for chess, your art, and for all you gave and are still giving to chess. You’re my hero. Best wishes, Manuel.”

00:26 Page 7 to 8, subject “Fischer Interviews,” dated February 13, 1999: “Dear Bobby, I just want to say I have followed your career a long time since ’72. And while at times I have thought that your behaviour was odd, to say the least, I have in recent times rethought—I have an open mind. I think it is not easy to be a chess genius, and that there are people that despise geniuses and successful people, even to a point of trying to keep them down. I hate bias in any way, shape, or form. I think many injustices have been done to you, and I want you to know that. On ICC, they call me Night Runner.”

01:44 Subject “Played with Fischer at ICC,” Saturday February 13, 1999: “I’m very sorry to hear of all the wrongs you have suffered recently. When a person decides to sell all of your original game scores for a few hundred dollars, everyone should immediately know who is right and who is wrong. I was also wondering, Bobby, is there any way that we can beat these vultures at chess?” From Mike L.

02:42 Subject “Do you have anything against the Hebrew race?” from Gerald: “Do you hate the Jew or the Hebrew race, or a certain Jew, or what? What’s your problem?”

02:57 Fischer I don’t have any problem, my friend. They just robbed me, that’s my problem. They want to put me in prison. They’re trying to take everything I’ve got. That’s my problem.

03:18 Subject from Jeff Anderson: “What you say about the Jews, true or untrue, makes you come across as being insane. I suggest you tone down your harsh words. Also, I very much enjoy studying your games. Perhaps you could arrange a Fischer Random match with a strong GM. Kasparov said that he would defeat anyone in a Fischer Random match, and that he is not dependent on opening theory.”

04:01 Fischer He’s dependent on opening theory, and he’s also very dependent on prearranging games. And as for my coming across as being insane—I come across as being insane to you. A lot of people agree with what I’m saying.

04:18 From Tim McKean: “I’d like to tell you how much I admire your inner strength. You’ve always stood your ground and held firm to your personal beliefs. Best regards, Tim McKean, from Pleasantville, USA.”

05:08 From Sarah Bird: “I have read recently your interviews given from the Philippines and have taken part in the lively discussions on RGCC and CCC, and I’ve tried hard to defend your position there. I have myself encountered similar problems in the past. Just want you to know there are lots of people who support you.”

05:33 Another subject—from Yi Zemin. Sounds like Chinese, but yeah. “Hello, Mr. Bobby Fischer. I’m sad to hear your misfortune. There’s an old saying in Chinese that says, ‘If somebody does something bad to you, you should avenge by doing the same thing back to him.’ Go for it. Go fuck those motherfucking—” (laughs) What is he? “… the pathetic blood-sucking Jewess. I’m right behind you, giving you all the moral support. All these achievements and hard work of yours—there’s no way they’re going to take it all away from you. Once again, fuck them all. And all I want to say is, there are always supporters of you, no matter where you are, because you’re simply the one and only phenomenon of the chess world. Yours sincerely, Yi, Malaysia.”

06:25 Fischer Thank you very much.

06:26 Torre You have plenty more here, you know? Actually, I could not read everything. Anyway—subject, “Thanks,” from Harwin. This is page 18: “Bobby, thank you for all you have given the chess world. Best wishes, Robert Harrington.” Just a small thing.

06:56 Another one, page 20. “I don’t understand how you can think all Jews are so terrible.” This is dated Saturday, 20 February ’99, from Gerald Rock or whatever. “How could the Holocaust have been fake? There are movies and ruins, etcetera. People were there. It’s irrelevant what religion the people were that tried to take your stuff. Luck of the draw, they were Jews. I think it’s ridiculous that you think all Jews are thieves, etcetera.”

07:28 Fischer Yeah, now this is an interesting point. Well, first of all, the Holocaust is phony, there was no Holocaust. But this other point the writer makes—“Luck of the draw, they were Jews who robbed my stuff and beat you”—“luck of the draw” is not a proper explanation, because all of these crimes that are being committed against me are by Jews. It’s too much that it’s luck of the draw any more. The Faber & Faber forgeries, the Batsford forgeries, the Learning International (which is Time Incorporated) illegal CD-ROM, the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer (which is a Paramount picture, owned by Viacom, which is owned by the Jews, under Sumner Murray Redstone). It’s always the Jews everywhere committing these crimes against me. This “luck of the draw” stuff doesn’t go. It’s impossible—like, uh, a robbery just now.

08:40 Torre Okay, I will read this one first, and then I’ll take a break, and then we continue. Date Tuesday, March 2, 1999. Which page is this? 29. From Chip Webkenette. “Dear Mr. Fischer, I have read transcripts of your first two interviews on Philippine Radio. Why you are such a bitter, angry man is something only you and God may know. One thing I do know is that your life is precious, and you need to understand that. You were put here on this Earth for a purpose. God knows what that purpose is, and it is up to each of us to seek God’s purpose in the lives He has given us. Don’t waste the time God has given you. He wants each of us to help others. I would pray that you would seek His guidance in everything you do. One day soon—”

09:37 Fischer I’m trying to help people by exposing the Jews. Go ahead, Eugene.

09:43 Torre “Well, one day soon, He will judge each of us. Each of us will have to submit to His judgment, and His judgment will be flawless and everlasting. He gives us many things to face, and many problems to help us seek Him. We have to recognise that fact, to understand His love for us, and our need to realign with Him. I hope that you will strive to understand your relationship with God, and turn to Him in your days ahead. We are all brothers and sisters, and have one Father. Learn to love and shed your human frailties to discover God’s purpose in your life. Sincerely, your brother by our Heavenly Father.”

10:28 So that’s your answer, huh? The one you said earlier? That’s your comment, no?

10:36 Fischer Yeah.

10:39 Torre Okay. I’ll take a break for a while. I’ll first give you to… so that it won’t be so monotonous. I give you to Jun. Okay, hold on. Jun is the announcer—you know, journalist, writer, everything, international media. He’s the announcer too on this station. He’s a part announcer, jack of all trades. Okay, here is Jun. A real Filipino.

11:24 Tucet Bobby, most of the people around me here are chess masters in their own right, in our city and our region. We would like to know, Bobby—are you still interested in playing?

12:09 Fischer I’m interested now in my game, Fischer Random chess, because the old game has degenerated into prearrangement and just a ton of memorising stuff.

12:38 Fischer The Russians have been publishing my book without giving me any royalties. They’ve been publishing many editions of my My 60 Memorable Games, and a very large number of copies of Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. They’ve made a fortune on my book without paying me. Now this same Russian government is the one who has prearranged all of Kasparov’s matches with Karpov. They’re the ones who cooked up the moves. So I consider Kasparov an agent of the Russian government. When the Russian government pays me what they owe me, I’m ready to sit down and talk about playing Fischer Random chess.

14:15 Tucet Are you still encouraging the young to continue playing chess and aspiring to become world champion?

14:25 Fischer No. I’m not encouraging the old game of chess anymore. I’m encouraging Fischer Random chess. The old game of chess is dead. They’re keeping it alive—it’s on an artificial life machine. It’s dead. They just keep it alive with all these beautiful prearranged games, and these great notes to these prearranged games. But people don’t know that these are not real games.

15:03 Tucet Bobby, here is another aficionado of chess—an organiser, and also a chess player—Tony Ui.

15:20 Caller “Tony” Hello, Bobby. I’m extremely interested in your love life. Do you have a wife, or how many wives do you have?

15:42 Fischer No, I’m not married. I’m interested to meet some nice girl, though. So—have something in mind?

15:53 “Tony” In any eventuality, who will inherit your fortune?

15:59 Fischer The Jews. The Jews are grabbing everything.

16:04 “Tony” Do you have anyone in Hungary?

16:13 Fischer No, I’m not doing too well at the moment. But, you know, I see. Anyway, I’m delighted to hear from you, and very happy to talk with you on the phone.

16:29 Torre And who’s speaking again? Hello?

16:33 Caller “Jovita” Hello, yeah.

16:34 Torre Here’s another one. Your name is—Joe? Jovita. Joe would like to ask one question or two, okay, Bobby?

16:46 Jovita Good evening, sir. I’m Jovita. I am a big fan of yours, sir. And it is hurting very much that you have a lot of rancour against the US government, and the Jewish community, and also the Russians. What causes this rancour, sir? Is it really… could I ask?

17:06 Fischer Well, I explained everything that caused this rancour. I explained it in concrete terms.

17:13 Jovita And also that comment of yours about chess—that you’re not endorsing it any more, the classical chess, I mean.

17:19 Fischer Right, I’m not endorsing the classical chess any more.

17:22 Jovita So what about us who also have faith in classical chess? Are we…?

17:29 Fischer Well, if you enjoy it, you know—to each his own. But I’ve graduated from that level. You see, you probably don’t… The reason you enjoy the current games you play over—what magazines do you get? Is it New in Chess, or Inside Chess, what do you get?

17:52 Jovita The Informator, and the—

17:54 Fischer Informator?

17:55 Jovita Yeah, and also Chess Life, and then—

18:02 Fischer You see these beautiful Kasparov games against his fellow Russians, especially—they’re all prearranged. They’re prearranged move by move. Believe me, they are. All of the five so-called world championship matches with Karpov—I’ve studied those matches. They were prearranged move by move, every game. Every move of every game.

18:26 Fischer So you’ve been fooled, and I’m the only guy who’s telling the truth about it in the chess world. And that’s why the Jews hate me so much.

18:38 I had a big file up there in Bekins on the first match between Karpov and Kasparov—the ’84–’85 match that they played in Moscow. And this has all been robbed. I had every game of that first match annotated from eighteen different sources. I had about seven or eight books, and the rest were from magazines. Just that one file alone on that first match took me a couple of years to put together. Just that one file alone that they robbed. And that’s just a tiny fraction of what they took.

19:29 These bastards are interfering with my business, with my career, with my life. They’re trying to impoverish me, to ruin me.

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[More local questioners. Fischer discusses his wrestling analogy for chess prearrangement and reveals the title of his planned book.]

00:00 Local questioner Sir, on your conditions for Kasparov—if ever, on Fischer Random—isn’t it like slamming the door shut on a possible chess encounter with him?

00:22 Fischer Forget about the old chess. I’m not going to play the old chess anymore. Fischer Random chess is what I’m into now.

00:38 Local questioner You don’t sound very positive about Fischer Random chess, sir. Have you studied my rules?

00:48 Fischer I haven’t played a game of it yet, but I’m briefing myself on it.

00:55 Local questioner The rules are on Bobby Ang’s chess site in Manila. You can pick them off his internet site.

01:02 Fischer I will try to, sir. Thank you. I think you’ll like it much better than chess, because it’s basically exactly the same except you get rid of all this—this theory is just killing the game. It has boundless possibilities.

01:12 Torre It has 960 starting positions, so you would have 960 times more theory to memorise, and I don’t think anybody’s capable of memorising that kind of theory. So the players will be on their own—from move one. And that’s really exciting.

01:46 Local questioner Do you remember when they performed it to Grandmaster Torre?

01:51 Torre Yeah. I think he has not played it yet, so he has not yet enjoyed the beauty—but he’s heard about it already. Actual playing, though, they react differently. That’s why usually people who learn about Fischer Random, or hear about it, their first impression is they’re a little bit afraid or hesitant.

02:15 Fischer I understand this—because I too, see, I love chess. I didn’t invent Fischer Random chess to destroy chess. Yeah. I want to keep the old chess flavour. I want to keep the old chess game, but just make a change so the starting positions are mixed. So it’s not degenerated down to memorisation and prearrangement like it is today.

03:32 Torre Anyway, Bobby, I would like to introduce you to Mr. Fidel Fernandez. He’s the sales manager of Mitsubishi here in Dagupan. He was very much responsible for this interview.

04:01 Fernandez Hello, Bobby. I can’t believe I’m talking to the legendary Bobby Fischer right now. Bobby, I have a question. In relation to your endorsement of Fischer Random—if the conditions for the aborted Fischer–Karpov match had been met back in ’75, would you still see yourself endorsing Fischer Random at this point in time?

04:51 Fischer If that match had taken place? I think I still would, yeah. It became obvious after ’75 what the old chess had degenerated down to.

05:14 Fernandez Even if you were still very successful in the old chess—you beat Spassky in ’92 for a $5,000,000 prize fund—you would still endorse Fischer Random?

05:32 Fischer Yes. I would endorse it. I might not have endorsed it in ’75, but it became obvious what the old chess degenerated down to.

06:03 Fischer Prearrangement is epidemic. It has grown into epidemic proportions. They talk about cheating in Olympic sports, steroids, whatever. Believe me, all that other cheating is nothing compared to chess, because there’s no test. There’s nothing to see. You have a boxing match and it’s rigged—maybe you can see something, the way the guy pulled his punches. Or if it’s a runner like Ben Johnson, you can see he’s too muscular. But what is there to see in chess? It takes somebody like me to take these games apart to understand that they’re totally prearranged move by move.

07:08 It’s all staged. It’s like wrestling. I was just watching some wrestling on TV the other day. Everybody laughs that people go to these wrestling matches—“Oh, how stupid these rednecks are, they don’t know it’s all a show.” Let me tell you something: the chess world, they’re more stupid than those rednecks. At least the rednecks, I think deep down they know it’s all prearranged. They’re just out there for the show, to have some fun, to root for their villain or their hero. But these chess players, they really believe it’s real.

08:31 Eugene, I’ll tell you something right now on the radio. You know that book I was gonna write about the Karpov–Kasparov matches? They robbed all my files, so it’s gonna be hard—I’ll have to start all over again. But I had a good title for it, which I never told anyone. You know what the title was gonna be?

08:53 Torre What?

08:55 Fischer Saturday Night Chess.

09:01 Torre What? Like wrestling?

09:03 Fischer Yeah. Right. It’s an allusion to the wrestling. Saturday Night Chess—because that’s what they call the wrestling, you know, Saturday Night Wrestling.

09:14 And I had a good German title too. For Germany, I was gonna call it Schachspieler oder Schauspieler—which means “Chess players or actors.”

09:29 But believe me, this is staged. I studied that first Karpov–Kasparov match for a year and a half before I cracked it—what they were doing—and discovered that it was all prearranged move by move. There’s no doubt of that in my mind.

09:50 And I’ll tell you something else. We’re in a high-tech world today, Eugene. Why don’t they ask Kasparov about my charges that all of his matches with Karpov were prearranged move by move? Tape-record what he says and then put it on these voice lie-detector machines. Do it, you know. But of course, don’t trust any Jewish experts, you know.

10:20 Torre Anyway, Bobby, here’s another chess fan—a fan of yours. He likes to ask some few questions.

10:33 Caller Hello, sir. I’m Mr. Bazosa from Lingayen. I heard from your words a few minutes ago that you enjoy old chess—classical chess?

11:00 Fischer Well, no, I’m interested in the new chess now—the random chess.

11:06 Caller Okay. Do you, if they ask you to play with the computer—will you take it, or can you beat the computer?

11:18 Fischer You mean the Fischer Random Chess? Yeah, sure. Well, I’m interested in it. If somebody wants to put up some good money for me to play Deep Blue or whatever, you know. Real money, you know.

11:34 Caller One more question is—Fischer Random Chess, not the old chess. One more question—I heard from your words a few minutes ago, and it seems like you hate your, uh, your continent? Your Americans?

11:55 Fischer I’m sorry, could you speak up? I can barely understand you.

12:00 Caller You hate your—is the US government—?

12:09 Fischer I can’t make out every word. I mean, excuse me. Wait, I don’t know where I am.

12:19 Torre No, no, I think he got lost, Bobby. He would like to ask you—it seems he heard from your voice before that you hate your fellow Americans.

12:32 Fischer No, no. I hate the US government—the Jew-controlled US government. I’m disappointed that so many Americans allow themselves to be fooled by the Jews.

13:09 Torre I showed them your game—just one example, your game with Bolbochán—from the Batsford edition. They could not believe it, you know, that such things happened.

13:29 Fischer They want to make me look like a horse’s ass. The Jews want to totally discredit me in every way—in chess, in my integrity, in life. In every way, they want to discredit me. Destroy me, rob me. They can’t stand me. They hate my guts.

13:52 Torre Anyway, Bobby—we go back to this Faber & Faber, and—you said here, in your, the game Gudmundsson, Grünfeld Defence. This is game 19. In your original book, page 128 and 129.

14:18 Fischer Well, why don’t we run up the moves, Eugene? Not everybody can read this book. Why don’t we run up the moves quickly?

14:28 Torre From the beginning?

14:29 Fischer Yeah.

14:29 Torre Okay, the original book is here. Pawn queen 4; knight king bishop 3; knight king bishop 3; pawn queen 4; pawn king 3; pawn king knight 3; pawn bishop 4; bishop knight 2; knight bishop 3; castle; queen knight 3; pawn king 3. Bishop king 2; knight bishop 3; queen bishop 2; and now—

14:53 Fischer All right. Here’s my comment. After white played queen to bishop 2—read my comment, Eugene.

15:03 Torre You wrote this. Okay, this is your original book, Simon & Schuster book: “Probably best,” and then, open parenthesis—

15:14 Fischer Parenthesis. “Black threaten—”

15:15 Torre Oh okay. “Black threatens knight to queen rook 4, winning the two bishops.” Then closed parenthesis. Period.

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[A. Gudmundsson (White) vs Fischer (Black), Reykjav\’ik 1960, round 2, 6 October 1960 (Gr\"unfeld Defence, exchange-like D95)—position after White’s 8. Qc2, Black to move. Game 19 in My 60 Memorable Games, “A long voyage home.” Fischer’s annotation at this point (“Probably best”) discusses why 8. Qc2 is needed: Black threatens … Na5 (N-QR4) winning the two bishops (the bishop pair). The Batsford / Faber & Faber forgery changed “the two bishops” to “the bishop’s pawn,” which (as Fischer points out at 16:30) is chess-nonsense: after 8… Na5, 9. Qa4 (Q-R4) defends. Game went 8… dxc4 9. Bxc4 e5 10. dxe5 Ng4 … and Fischer won at move 27.]

15:23 Fischer Period.

15:25 Torre Okay. And then more writings.

15:31 Anyway, I read again the Faber & Faber edition. Exactly the same moves as I mentioned earlier. But then again, in the same sentence, they’ve written here—incredible. “Probably best”—okay, that’s all right—and then open parenthesis: “Black threatens knight to queen rook 4, winning the bishop’s pawn.” Period.

16:06 Fischer No closed parenthesis—they just left off the closed parenthesis.

16:16 Torre That’s right. They just removed the closed parenthesis. Anyway, it’s written here “winning the bishop’s pawn.” I think that’s completely different from your original “winning the two bishops”—which is correct.

16:30 Fischer It’s not true. Black was not threatening knight to queen, winning the bishop’s pawn, because white can simply play queen to rook 4.

16:41 Torre And then he starts winning the bishop’s pawn, no?

16:43 Fischer Right. Or you can even play queen to knight 4, for that matter.

16:43 Fischer Now this is a very obvious error. Everybody’s gonna catch “my” mistake, in quotation marks. And I guarantee you, Eugene, 95% of the people who play this over are going to catch my so-called mistake. And that’s exactly what the Jew bastards at Batsford want.

17:22 Torre So they want people to think Fischer’s analysis is wrong?

17:29 Fischer Yeah. “Jeez, he’s not as good as I thought he was. Maybe all these people who criticise him are right. I guess he never really was that good. It was just that he got a lot of publicity. He wasn’t really that good in chess. Because Karpov would never have said a stupid thing like that.”

18:07 This is vicious, really vicious and malicious. Very clear that it’s intentional.

18:26 Because this Batsford edition of My 60 Memorable Games purports to be just a photocopy of the genuine Simon & Schuster edition. I’ve made tens of thousands of photocopies, maybe hundreds of thousands, in my life. I’ve never seen a photocopy change words like this. Of course it’s intentional.

19:10 And not only that—they came out with this edition, the ’88 Faber and Faber edition of My 60 Memorable Games, and then they came out with yet another edition. They call it the ’88 edition, but on the bottom of the page it says “8 10 97”—apparently a 1997 reprint. So they’ve done it again with the same malicious falsification.

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[Continuation. More email responses and discussion of the Kasparov–Deep Blue match and depleted uranium in Yugoslavia.]

00:00 Torre They got the permission for their forged edition from whom?

00:08 Fischer From Faber and Faber. So it’s one crook giving another forger permission to make more forgeries.

00:24 Torre Bobby, before we continue—another chess aficionado here would like to ask you something.

00:43 Caller “Bon” I believe probably you have read about the Kasparov vs. the World game. What is your reaction?

01:04 Fischer I haven’t followed it. He plays people on the internet?

01:11 Caller Yeah.

01:16 Fischer Well, this is the old chess, first of all. I’ve washed my hands of the old chess.

01:19 Caller You said you are promoting Fischer Random chess. How can you promote Fischer Random when the Jews are after you?

01:57 Fischer I can hope, can’t I?

[Torre continues reading email responses.]

02:25 Torre Page 31: “Bobby, you are a great man, great artist, and genius. It’s very unfortunate that all your life you had to struggle so much with dark forces in this world, but I hope that God will bless you and millions of your fans and admirers all over the world. I wish that some powerful people in the US government, maybe President Clinton, will fight for you and pardon you.” From California.

03:39 Page 32, subject “Fuck the Jews”: “Hopefully this subject heading caught your attention. When I go to the Jew-controlled and owned US Chess Center located in Washington DC tomorrow, I’m going to tell the director that a certain IGM told me personally to tell him to go fuck himself. And when he asks who this IGM is, I will tell him Robert James Fischer, World Chess Champion, just to see the look on his face.”

04:42 From Eddie: “Words cannot express the anger and the frustration that we feel. You have many fans in the US that would love to see you. What has happened to you is a tragedy. The world has not seen such a brilliant mind as yours. If there is ever a way for you to come back to the USA, please do. You will have the support of millions. We love you and we miss you terribly.”

05:23 From Brian Rasmussen: “I consider you to be a genius at the chess board. The beauty and power of your chess is simply unparalleled. However, since you have many people that look up to you, I think that some of your recent pronouncements on Philippine radio are very irresponsible. Sue them in the court. If the judge and jury are conspiring against you, appeal the decision. Eventually, you will find a fair judge.”

06:33 Fischer That’s a lot of hot shit. I’m not going to get any fair judge there.

06:41 Torre, reading “I hope that your recent comments were made out of the heat of the moment and don’t represent your true views. I used to try to model myself after you, but your comments in the interview have made me lose a lot of respect for you. I hope that you can show the world that you deserve respect again. Sincerely, Brian Rasmussen.”

06:47 Fischer Those are my true views.

07:03 Torre, reading Page 37, subject “Thanks and offer of assistance.” “Mr. Fischer, thank you for your hard work and dedication to chess. Number one—following your play has given me much happiness. Number two—is there anything that I can do to help you if you decide to be able to travel freely or return to the US? Is there anyone I can write besides the Congress, the President, to have the ridiculous charges of the State Department dropped? Best wishes, Mark Wariner.”

07:44 Fischer Yeah, well, regarding these ridiculous charges against me, I think somebody somewhere should start signing letters attacking the US government for this indictment. Not asking the US government to pardon me or forgive me or anything—just to attack the US government for this. No begging stuff. Just tell the world. Because the United States, as soon as they indicted me, suddenly the press hushed up the story. This is the Jewish style: they throw the rock, bash the window, then they hide their hand.

08:41 Fischer So far as I know, nobody else in the whole world is being charged with this violation of this Bush executive order. What I’m being charged with, by the way, is not even a law that Congress has passed. This is just an executive order signed by President Bush. The United States is getting like Russia, where they sign executive orders. I understand Clinton has signed a couple of hundred executive orders too. I thought all these laws were supposed to go through Congress, but now it’s all executive orders.

09:26 Because Clinton even signed an executive order having to do with abortion. So this is just taking away the law-making from the people.

09:38 Torre Yeah. Okay, another… we can go to another, okay, Bobby? Yeah. This is from page 41, “A note of thanks.” “Dear World Champion Robert J. Fischer, I am one of the millions of chess players who has been inspired by you and your many beautiful games, and I hope that this note is not seen as an intrusion into your life or privacy. A friend of mine passed this email address to me, and having the possibility of actually personally thanking you for your achievements and the pleasure that these achievements have given me, I decided to write to you, hoping you’ll understand this was an opportunity too good to miss. I would like to personally thank you for the inspiration you have given me over the years, be that over the chess board or in your personal life. Your games are a never-ending source of fascination and education for me. Unfortunately, I don’t have the ability to ever reach a master title, but your games have taught me a great deal and the enjoyment of playing over them never stops. I will be sharing these games with my young son, who’s now three years of age, when he’s old enough.

10:46 “Chess has been my friend and companion for most of my life now, and this has a lot to do with your approach to the game, and of course your games. Furthermore, I would like to thank you on a more personal note for showing to me that belief in oneself and one’s ideas is important. Your outlook on life and the belief in your abilities has been a model for me. The only thing I have in common with you, as far as I know, is that we are both basically self-taught in our chosen profession. Yours is chess, mine is theatre. Your attitude to chess, to find the truth of the matter, the iron will, determination to succeed, to create something of beauty, to communicate with your audience and to overcome the stigma of humble origins and become the best—I have tried to emulate. The lessons you give in chess can be applied to other areas. In closing, I would like to wish you every success in the future, and to once again offer my thanks for who you are and what you have achieved, and what you will continue to achieve. Yours sincerely, Gino Tomisich.”

11:46 Fischer Oh, that’s a wonderful message. Thank you, Gino.

11:50 Torre Okay, now, page 42. “My sympathies,” from Dominic Dimantova. “Dear Mr. Fischer, I’ve been a big fan of yours for fifteen or so years. I myself am a player, and I’ve learned a lot about chess by playing over your games and reading about your life in certain books—the one by Frank Brady, I believe. I do sympathise about the revision…”

12:12 Fischer Excuse me, which page is it?

12:14 Torre 42.

12:16 Fischer Okay.

12:16 Torre “I do sympathise about the revision of your famous book My 60 Memorable Games without your permission and not receiving any royalties for something that was so monumental; about that CD-ROM, and one of your books, without your permission, and by not receiving credit about the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer. It seems that you have been through some delicious times, and what takes the cake is being indicted by that sorry-arse government and calling for your arrest for playing a chess match in Yugoslavia, in which the prize was put up by, I believe, a Yugoslav businessman out of his own pocket, because he wants to see you and Boris Spassky play a return match that was observed by all chess fans worldwide.”

13:07 Fischer Regarding the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer—the issue is that they abused my name without my permission in the title of the movie, and they haven’t paid me any money either. That’s the issue. Not that I wasn’t given credit.

13:24 Torre, reading “It’s bullshit, because Yugoslavia did not profit from the return match. The guy who put up the prize fund did not profit. I hope I’m accurate so far—if not, my apologies. You weren’t engaged in any kind of business or commercial activity other than to play a return match with your old rival. I enjoyed that match very much, and the F… government needs to back off on certain things. So I totally sympathise with you on that. I hope everything will eventually work out for you in your favour. Good luck in the future. Sincerely, Dominic Dimantova.”

14:09 Torre, reading Subject “Treasures That Can’t Be Stolen,” from Christopher Hudgins: “Bobby, I heard some of your interviews on the net. I am a Christian who is nothing outside of Christ. You were very angry during those interviews—especially angry about the Jews ripping off your lockers in Pasadena. I can’t tell you that I know how you feel about losing something so valuable. But I can tell you that there is a treasure that no one can steal from you, and that is eternal life through Jesus Christ. I, too, was angry and full of hate and spite before I accepted Christ. Christ gave me a peace and love that I had never known before. Life still has its trials and disappointments, but Christ helps me through all of them. Please don’t blow me off on this. Even if you still had your memorabilia, you can’t take it with you when you die. You can inherit the Kingdom of God by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.”

15:23 Fischer As I recall, Christ was pretty mad himself a lot of times—talking against the scribes and the Pharisees and the money changers in the temple and so on. I think he called some people “whited sepulchres” and so on. So there’s a time to be angry.

16:01 Torre, reading Okay, Bobby. Subject “Bastards,” from Sharon Moss: “I agree with you. I think that they are bastards for selling all your collections and belongings. What is your homepage address, Bobby? Thank you. From your truly dedicated fan, Sharon.”

16:20 Okay, and then now we go to page 50. Date Saturday, 27 March 1999, from Matt Traynor: “I’m a big fan of yours. I believe your victory over the Soviets in 1972 put the first crack in the Iron Curtain. I believe you are one of the few great men of the second half of the 20th century.”

16:52 Fischer You know, maybe there’s something to what he says about the Iron Curtain. But judging by how vicious and criminal the United States has become now that the Soviet Union doesn’t exist anymore, I’m kind of wondering if I did the right thing. Now there’s nobody around to put a check on the US. The US is just totally out of control.

17:17 They’re using depleted uranium in a lot of these bombs they were dropping, Eugene. I went just down to Szeged to see my friend Peter Lékó, and I got a call when I was there from somebody in Budapest—they told me they just read in the paper that the radiation levels are like fifty times more than normal in Szeged.

17:36 Torre Oh, that’s dangerous.

18:04 Fischer Just the same like they did in Iraq. And the cancer rate has jumped sevenfold, I think, in Iraq, on many different types of cancer. And also, the American veterans are getting cancer and deformed children. This using of depleted uranium is just evil.

[NATO did fire depleted-uranium munitions during the 1999 Kosovo conflict, but Fischer’s figures are far beyond the evidence. The scientific mission sent afterwards by the United Nations Environment Programme found no widespread contamination and only low, localised radiological risk—nothing like the fifty-fold radiation readings or mass casualties he describes: https://www.unep.org/resources/report/depleted-uranium-kosovo-post-conflict-environmental-assessment.]

18:52 And that stuff may spread to Hungary and to many other countries all over Europe. Europe is very small. Criminal what the US is doing, totally out of control. And I used to hate the Soviet Union, hate communism, and in some ways I still do. But in a way, the collapse of the Soviet Union was a very bad thing, because now the US is totally out of control. It’s a tyrannical, vicious dictatorship.

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[Continuation. More emails, including the Edward Winter exchange and discussion of the Dubrovnik chess set.]

00:27 Torre Subject “Sue Them” from David Mack: “Bobby, why can’t your lawyer in America sue these companies on your behalf? Or would you have to be there? Or would the federal indictment hanging over you preclude that? Or are you completely disillusioned with the courts?”

00:53 Fischer The latter. I’m completely disillusioned with the courts in the US.

01:02 From Kevin Hensley, Texas: “What do you miss the most about living in America?”

01:22 Fischer I miss, of course, some of my friends there. And I also miss having a great telephone system there—it’s much cheaper. My God, the phone system in Europe—this is a real ripoff. When I call internationally, it’s like maybe four or five times more than if I were in the States. The phone bills I have here are absolutely murder.

01:53 Torre Subject: “For the greatest champ of all time,” from Mayan King: “I was aghast at how your personal belongings were stolen from you. It greatly upsets me, and I wish it never would have occurred. It is a great shame the way you have been treated. I hope those responsible for this crime get punished. I wish you well in your future endeavours.”

02:19 Fischer That’s the right attitude. But they won’t—because the Jews and the United States government are backing this robbery of my stuff at Bekins. Nothing’s going to happen until the Jewish dictatorship in the United States is overthrown.

02:40 Torre Subject: “Kasparov Deep Blue,” from Markus Drechsler, April 5, 1999: “Dear Mr. Fischer, don’t you think that the games in the lame match between Kasparov and Deep Blue were fixed? I mean, probably Kasparov was paid to play like he did and to lose the last game in such a childish manner. I hope that one day you will find time to recollect all the needed data and show the chess world that all matches after 1972 have been fixed. J. M., Denmark.”

03:17 Fischer Yeah, well—I had the data up there in my storage in Bekins about the first prearranged match between Karpov and Kasparov, the ’84–’85 match, but they robbed it all. Regarding the Kasparov match with Deep Blue—a lot of people have said it was rigged. I tend to think it was a real match. That last game did look kind of unreal, I have to say. But overall, the match looked real to me—it’s very hard to say. I heard that in the previous match Kasparov played the computer, after he lost a game early on, the Deep Blue people turned down the strength of the machine—somebody very knowledgeable, a Russian, told me that, and he should know.

04:45 But if Kasparov threw this match to the computer, then he’s a crook. No doubt about it. And on the other hand, if he did not throw this match, his play was so utterly passive and weak and unbelievable that—how could his other matches with Karpov have been real? Either way, he’s a crook.

05:34 From Jason Collett, age 16, from America: “I just wanted to tell you that I know you to be the real World Champion, not like Kasparov, the fake one. I think that FIDE are liars, cheaters, and they took your title from you falsely. You are the true World Champion, and I think you are the greatest chess player ever.

06:13 “I see all these moves and other things lately using your name illegally, and I think it’s wrong. It’s all wrong. These Jews that are trying to make your life hell—it makes me angry that they would sink so low to steal all your memorabilia and everything you hold dear, and prevent you from playing chess, and make your life terrible for you.

06:34 “I just want to say that I am with you, Bobby. These damn vultures that won’t leave you alone, and keep trying to find ways to get you—they need to be exposed. They are jealous that you are the greatest chess player in the world, and that you beat them, because they think they are the best at everything, and it makes them mad, and that you proved them wrong.

06:56 “I really do hope this letter gets to you, because I want you to know that you are my hero and I am on your side. I play chess, and I am very serious about playing. You have been my biggest influence on chess, and I am just furious that these vultures are preventing you from doing so many great things for chess. I have heard of your Fischer Random Chess Game, and I think it’s a brilliant idea. Chess is being fixed and set up by all these vultures that are after you, and I think it’s wrong.

07:27 “But your idea for Fischer Random Chess is a good idea—I mean, it truly takes away all the fixed preparation for chess, and you rely on your own intellect for the game. I hope you can get it promoted worldwide. I’m sure you could if these vultures would leave you alone.

07:43 “I wanted to tell you that I am on your side, and that I am very sorry that these vultures are doing all this crap to you. I was also wondering, Bobby, is there any way that we can beat these vultures at chess? I mean, since they won’t accept your Fischer Random Chess, is there any way we can defeat them at chess? I really would like your input on this, and I was also hoping you could tell me some good chess books that in your opinion would be helpful.

08:11 “I want to defeat these vultures at chess, and if there is anyone who can give me advice on how to do it, it’s you. Well, hey, Bobby, you know these people will be exposed—because all of your true fans will help the truth come out. These vultures are going to get what’s coming to them.

08:34 “Thanks for reading this, Bobby, if you got the chance. And I want to say that I am behind you, Bobby. Take care, Jason Collett.”

08:42 Fischer Thanks a lot, Jason. Forget about the old chess. You know, it’s like you’re beating your head against a wall.

08:51 Torre Okay, now another one. Subject: “My 60 Memorable Games,” from Edward Winter: “Dear Mr. Fischer, your comments about My 60 Memorable Games in the fourth interview have prompted me to write a brief account of the affair in my Chess Notes column. It will be appearing in the 3/1999 issue of New in Chess. I don’t know if you actually saw the magazine Chess, which published my findings. But in the article, I gave a very large number of examples of how Batsford had butchered your book. The total number of changes that I counted was, I thought, colossal. But it was not thousands.

09:31 “All I can do is give you an absolute assurance that I checked the two editions with extreme care until my eyes were red, and reported my findings honestly. After my article appeared, a few Chess readers attempted to defend Batsford by claiming the changes to your book were unimportant and by making personal attacks on me. Then I was assailed by Larry Evans in Inside Chess. He too apparently saw little wrong with what Batsford had done. And now I am under fire from you for being a bastard.

10:04 “Your anger at what Batsford did is 100% justified, but I think it would be misdirected at me. The sole purpose of the present message is to make sure that there is no misunderstanding. I was and remain outraged by what Batsford did to your book, and have missed no opportunity to make that point in my writings. ‘Defilement’ is the word I use in the forthcoming issue of New in Chess. With best wishes, yours sincerely, Edward Winter.”

10:36 Fischer There was no misunderstanding, Mr. Winter. I consider you to be the controlled opposition in the chess world—one of their controlled opposition. You are a phony. And yes, I have this Chess Monthly issue. As a matter of fact, I have a photocopy of your article right in front of me. This is in the January 1997 Chess, a British magazine. First of all, he went through this entire book. Why is it he didn’t mention the most outrageous forgery of all in the book—in my game with Bolbochán, the illegal mating variation?

11:28 And also, he said it’s in the hundreds. It’s not in the hundreds, Mr. Edward Winter. It’s in the many, many thousands. And I’m not even counting the changes from descriptive to algebraic notation. If you count that, it’s in the many, many, many tens of thousands.

11:53 Eugene, do you have the Batsford book in front of you? Well, why don’t you just take a look at game 58?

12:05 Torre 58. Okay.

12:18 Fischer Go through the comments that they made after move number seven, after seven, bishop E3. Now, they have—I’m supposed to be making a comment there.

12:35 Torre After number seven, bishop E3?

12:36 Fischer Bishop E3, yeah. Now, you compare that with the genuine edition. You wouldn’t even recognise it. It’ll take you a few minutes to know this is the same note.

12:52 Torre Wow, that’s incredible.

12:54 Fischer In this one note—starting after seven bishop E3, the move going to the next game move, which is seven bishop E7—this note alone, they made countless dozens of changes. I’d have to count word by word. Every word is changed. They made hundreds of changes just in this one note. One note!

13:22 What the hell are you talking about, Mr. Winter, that I’m wrong, when I say it’s thousands and thousands of changes? There’s countless thousands of changes.

13:33 I was looking in the Batsford edition of My 60 Memorable Games the other day, and they have all these abbreviations like “CH” for championship, “CT” for candidates, “OL” for Olympics, “IZ” for interzonal. None of those abbreviations are in the original book. Not one. I never used those abbreviations. When I said championship, I always said championship, or I think in one place I said “champ. period.” I never used the initials “CH” for these things. And it’s all forgery.

14:11 I was going through it. I don’t have all of the book in the computer, so I have to do this all by hand. But I was looking at the number of times they forged just the abbreviation “CH”, and I counted about 78, approximately. Just that one forgery, not counting the others. You know how many times they forged the word “after”? How many dozens of times? “Black,” dozens of times. “White,” dozens. Plus all the other changes they’ve made. Come on, Mr. Winter—you are a phony.

14:46 He claims he didn’t even catch the “gel” thing. Remember the “gel” word we went into? Yeah. He didn’t even mention that. Oh, you’re a phony bastard, Mr. Winter.

15:32 Fischer He wrote an article called “Instant Fischer.” And here’s what he says about me on page 121: “One reason for Fischer’s bad press is his tendency to keep reporters off balance with statements which, without warning, switch from perspicacity to absurdity and back again. Cliché-loving journalists can be at ease in covering Fischer only if they ignore the perspicacity, emphasize the absurdity, and add a dose of invention.” Now this Winter is always talking about precision and all this stuff. What are these absurd statements, Mr. Winter? Tell me. You’re a phony. You are no friend of mine.

16:28 And also, I read what—you had a little dialogue with Larry Evans, I think it was in Inside Chess. I have it here. It was either Inside Chess or Chess Life—I think it was Inside Chess. You had a little dialogue with Larry Evans, and you referred… you said, “Batsford has treated me outrageously.” That’s like saying a bank robber who robs a bank treated the bank outrageously. Give me a break. This is criminal stuff, you son of a bitch. Yes, I called you a bastard, and you are a bastard.

17:03 And not only that—Hans Ree, writing in New In Chess a while back, around ’96, questioned whether you even exist. Nobody’s even seen you. Nobody knows who the hell you are. So you are a fake. You are the in-house opposition. You are working for the Jews. You are no friend of mine, Mr. Winter.

17:29 Torre Okay, Bobby, next subject. “You are a crazy genius,” from Mike Carson. This is April 21, ’99. “Hi, my name is Mike, and I live in New York City. I think there is one thing that you do not see, one move that you are missing. You are good with pattern recognition, so why can’t you see that many geniuses are crazy? You are one of them. This whole business about Jews—you are not thinking reasonably. I think if you were to realise this, if you were to make the move and start to think reasonably about the Jews and about yourself and your sanity, it would be the most brilliant move of your life. I’m just not sure if you can do it. Mike.”

18:13 Subject, “Your antisemitism.” From Joe Feldman. “What is the true cause of it? I don’t mean any BS reasons you tell the world about your vast knowledge of a Jewish cabal planning to take over the world. I mean the real reason. Thanks, Joe Feldman.”

18:45 Fischer Well, if you’re so wise and all-knowing, why don’t you tell me? I’ve given so many reasons, Mr. Feldman.

18:56 Torre Okay. Anyway—subject, “Interviews,” from Steve Poff. “Dear Bobby”—this was from April 22, ’99—“although you may have been the greatest player of all time, and at one time commanded my deepest admiration, I now believe you are truly crazy. Your interviews make you sound crazy with all the ranting and raving about World Jewry. If you were a true champion, you would defend your title against today’s best players. But instead, you went into seclusion and bragged about what you could do. Bullshit. I believe the difference between genius and insane is a very thin line, and unfortunately, you cross over. And why did you select Spassky for a rematch? What was his ranking, around 100? Susan Polgar beat him as bad as you did. I hope—”

19:45 Fischer Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Just a second. That Susan Polgar match was rigged, prearranged. Come on.

19:52 Torre “I hope you stay in Hungary and don’t come back again. I would just as soon keep Kasparov. At least he tries—”

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[Final segment. Fischer discusses the Dubrovnik chess set and signs off.]

00:21 Torre Anyway, subject. And for a “Christian”—the same way Bob Ellsworth was a “Christian.” Bob Ellsworth was a minister of the gospel.

00:37 Fischer You mean he’s a minister and he did that to me? My God. Bob Ellsworth was a minister, or an assistant minister, in the Worldwide Church of God. Yes, absolutely.

00:58 From Mongolia: “Hello, dear champion, World GM Bobby Fischer. My name is Tseveen Battsyar Yumjav. I am from Mongolia. I very much like your chess games. Today for me, very good occasion.”

01:26 Fischer I’d like to visit your country someday. Somebody had a calendar from Mongolia showing—instead of pretty girls, every month has pretty camels. I’d like to take a look at the camels. It really sounds like a fascinating country.

01:53 From Brennan: “Where can you get a chess set like the one you used in the ’92 match with Spassky, or the one that I’ve seen in photos of you analysing?”

02:15 Fischer Well, the one I used against Spassky in ’92 is the original Dubrovnik set, and it’s very, very rare. I mean, it’s almost impossible to get one, or to get one in good condition. But it’s absolutely—I think it’s the best chess set I’ve ever played on.

02:38 Torre Yeah, I saw it.

02:42 Fischer It’s just a joy to play with—the joy of holding the pieces, the definition of the pieces, the design. It’s a marvellous set, but it’s very hard to get. I don’t have it. As for the one you’ve seen me playing and analysing with—that’s another Dubrovnik set. It was made later in Croatia. I got that in Zagreb around ’68 or ’70. And that’s a great set too.

03:10 That was the one on the cover of Life magazine, and many other pictures. That was my set that I always used. I analysed with it. I took it all over the world with me for years. I just loved that chess set. You remember it, don’t you, Eugene?

03:22 Torre Yeah, yeah. It’s beautiful.

03:37 Fischer This is the original one, Eugene, that I loved so much. I kept it in my safe. Like some people have their original jewels and they keep them in their safe, and then they wear fake jewels. That chess set you saw me playing with in so many magazines—on the cover of Life magazine—it’s the same picture that Bobby Ang put on the website. That set was stolen by the dirty Jews. It’s worth a fortune—easily hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe more. I mean, it’s on the cover of Life magazine. And the wood was so hard—very hard to break, yet very, very light, perfect for travelling with. And the balance of the pieces—the pieces didn’t fall over—and the design. Just a great, great set.

04:51 That’s been stolen. So, Brennan, I don’t want you to buy that set, even if you could afford it. I don’t want anybody to buy any of this stuff that was stolen from me at Bekins. Nobody should buy it. Even if your intention is to give it back to me, don’t buy it. Don’t play that game. Nobody should—it’s all stolen property. You don’t buy stolen property.

05:39 Subject “Simply the Best” from Azalin: “Summary of Bobby Fischer: Best there is, best there was, best there ever will be.”

05:52 From “Just Junior”: “Having learned chess through your book Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess, back in the early ’70s, and after reading the book Bobby Fischer: Profile of a Prodigy, I have two questions: do you regard the writer of Profile of a Prodigy as a friend?”

06:11 Fischer No. I don’t regard the writer of Profile of a Prodigy as a friend at all. This is Frank Brady—he wrote that book. It’s got a very Irish-sounding name, but he’s a damn Jew, believe me. And that book is full of lies.

06:37 One lie in particular I just remember offhand—I haven’t seen the book for years, but one lie really stuck with me. He’s got me going up to the offices of some guy, and this guy’s offering to sponsor me, but he wanted me to wear something or other with his name on it, something like that. And then I gave him a big, long speech. That speech is fake. I did not give that speech. Frank Brady made it up. He is a goddamn liar.

07:08 I will tell you exactly what happened. I went up there, I listened to the guy respectfully. I didn’t like his attitude, I didn’t like his vainglorious approach—just, you know, wanting me to advertise him or his company, whatever he wanted. I said no. That was it. As we were going down the stairs and leaving the building, I started to explain to Brady why I didn’t accept, and he took my explanation and turned it around and has me giving this guy a speech. This Frank Brady—you are a goddamn liar, a dirty Jew. You are no friend of mine. You are a parasite. He got his friendship with me. He said it was a private friendship. He was never gonna write about me, and he just broke his word. Just a snake.

07:57 He wrote a review of the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer for the magazine American Chess Journal. He praised the movie. He called it a great movie. The fact that I never got any money for it doesn’t mean a thing to him.

09:03 Torre We are running out of time, Bobby. So I will just read this last one. And the rest, we’ll do it again in our next interview. Okay?

09:11 Fischer Let me just show you—I have this in front of me now, this movie review by Frank Brady. This is in American Chess Journal, number two. Starts on page 105. He has nothing but praise for the movie. Not a word about the fact that I didn’t approve the use of my name in this movie, and I’m not getting a penny for it. He just says it’s a great family movie. Well, I don’t think it’s a family movie, because they’re teaching the young people very bad values—that it’s perfectly all right to exploit other people for money. That’s not my idea of family values, Frank Brady. In the American Chess Journal.

10:02 Torre Okay, Bobby. Subject “Best Regards,” dated May 4, 1999, from Jeff: “Hello, Mr. Fischer. I was only 12 when you became the world champion. It was so exciting to follow each of your games. Over the years, I have collected many books, magazines, stamps, etcetera concerning your games and career. You are my favourite player of all time. Do you have a picture of yourself that you can autograph and send to me? I would love to have it for my study. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. Sincerely, Jeff, from Echo Falls.”

10:56 Fischer In addition to all my other photos up there in storage, I had a big stack of photos of me that was given to me—I think it was given to me up in Iceland in ’72. Big stack, hundreds of photos, which I would occasionally autograph and send to somebody. And of course, they were in storage too—all stolen.

11:22 Torre Okay, Bobby. So I think for the moment, we can end with these responses and continue next time. I’ll give you back to Jun.

11:48 Fischer People say I’m crazy because I’m so angry. I think I’d have to be crazy not to be angry after all these robberies and all these other crimes committed against me by the Jews. Of course—there’s such a thing as righteous indignation.

12:10 Tucet We would like to express our gratitude for your gracing this program. All the chess masters here in Pangasinan share our gratitude, and also to Eugene.

12:39 Fischer I want to say something else about Estrada. I don’t know much about that case, that first lethal injection, but I don’t think that was very nice. First of all, I’m against lethal injections. That’s not a dignified way to execute someone. That’s from the States—that’s a satanic Jewish way of executing people: poisoning people, number one. And number two, from what I understand, okay, he raped a ten-year-old. That’s wrong, very, very wrong, but I don’t think it’s for the death penalty. He should go to prison for some years for that. I think this guy—this President—is a goddamn grandstander, you know.

13:19 Tucet We agree with you, Bobby. Our only hope is that while you are now in Hungary—and that with your Russian ally—you are not driven from America to join the Russians, who are masters of the chess game.

13:35 Fischer What are you saying? I don’t catch this.

13:38 Tucet I was saying that now that you are in Hungary—we don’t want to believe that you were driven out of the US to join the Russians, who are your opponents in chess.

13:50 Fischer No, I’m very independent. I’m sure if I were to live in Russia, I would have the same trouble there too. They got tons of Jews there too, you know.

14:01 Tucet You know, Bobby, we chess enthusiasts here have very high respect for you as a fighter, because according to Eugene, a chess master is a great fighter. So with that, we would like to say thank you for having graced this program. And on behalf of the chess aficionados and our local masters here, we would like to thank you for gracing this program.

14:28 Fischer We were on live, huh?

14:29 Tucet Yes, yes, from the very beginning.

14:33 Tucet Please make your parting shot to the great people of Pangasinan and Northern Luzon.

14:50 Fischer What is the name of your radio station again?

14:53 Tucet DWCM—the greatest radio station in Pangasinan.

15:04 Fischer I want to thank the radio station DWCM for giving me this opportunity to get some truth out. And this really says something about the Filipino people—their sense of fair play, which I’m afraid is kind of dying out in the US. There’s not much of that left. Even in England, which is famous for the British sense of fair play—they know where to reach me. They’ve got these interviews on the internet. They can contact me through Bobby Ang. They don’t want me on. Nobody wants me on but the Philippines. And I really appreciate the Filipino people. You’ve got a lot of heart. You really believe in letting people have their say and giving people a chance.

16:05 Tucet Thank you, Bobby. And to us, you are still our world champion in chess.

16:10 Fischer Well, I told you, I’m finished with the old chess. But I appreciate that. In the new Fischer Random chess—you’ll see, once this Fischer Random ball gets rolling, it’ll be unstoppable.

16:28 Torre I agree. I think it’s really great—if you get rid of this terrible theory. It’s just the real cancer on the game.

16:51 Torre Okay, Bobby. Thank you, and see you then.

16:55 Fischer Okay. It was great. Finally, we got through.

16:58 Torre I am just very happy that DWCM has been very gracious to us—they allowed us to continue with more time.

17:17 Torre Yeah, yeah—very great people here in DWCM. I’m proud of them, because they’re also Filipino, you know.

17:27 Fischer Okay, buddy. Wait a minute—how do we get in touch? What time are you going to be home, Eugene?

17:41 Torre Tomorrow. So, what—I’ll just get in touch with you. You want me to call you tonight or tomorrow?

18:13 Torre Okay, Bobby. Goodbye, Bobby.

18:17 Fischer Bye.

9 Baguio, Philippines, October 16, 1999 ↑

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[Pablo Mercado hosts on Bombo Radio, Baguio. GM Eugene Torre is in the studio. Bobby Fischer calls from Budapest. This interview is distinctive in that Fischer spends most of it reading prepared notes and source material.]

00:02 Mercado Hello, Bobby. How are you?

00:04 Fischer Very good. Thank you.

00:07 Mercado Okay. It’s 7:30 in the evening here in the Philippines. What time do you have in Hungary right now?

00:12 Fischer It’s 1:30.

00:14 Mercado 1:30 in the afternoon. Alright. How have you been? It’s been a long time.

00:22 Fischer Yeah. Good. Preparing to expose the Jews a little more in the programme. And I was travelling a bit, into Germany and Austria. Now I’m back in Budapest.

00:43 Mercado So you’re back in Budapest right now. Were there some developments since the last time we talked about your case?

00:55 Fischer Well, as I said, all of the participants in this robbery, all of the principals involved in it, are just being mum. Nobody is saying a word. Bekins has never replied to my fax. Bob Ellsworth, Bekins, Linda Carter the General Manager of the Pasadena branch of Bekins—none of them have made a statement. The owners of Bekins—totally silent. Pasadena Police Department—totally silent.

01:10 Even my two lawyers, ex-lawyers, Charles Basheian and Joseph Cho, who I called—I said they were in on the robbery, in on the planning of this robbery. I accused them of this publicly, on air. And if that’s not a true statement, that’s surely defamatory. They’re totally silent.

01:52 Like I said, I called them motherfuckers. They’re still totally silent. Nobody is saying a word. This is just like a long monologue on my part. They’ve got my stuff, and everybody is being silent. Now if that doesn’t tell you that these people are guilty, nothing does.

02:04 Of course, the US government—they’re behind this. Clinton and all those goddamn Jews behind him—Albright, Cohen, Greenspan—the whole goddamn government in America is controlled by Jews. They’re behind this robbery too. This is one of the biggest robberies, maybe the biggest robbery in the history of the United States, and it’s totally being blacked out. No investigative journalism, no journalism at all. Nothing.

02:35 The only guy who’s still talking is me, on Philippine radio stations, especially your programme. And then it’s going over to Bobby Ang’s internet site in Manila. And that’s it. Absolutely silence.

02:49 Mercado Alright. I’d like to pass you over to Eugene. He has some questions for you.

02:56 Torre Hello, Bobby. This is Eugene. You mean there is really no answer, no rebuttal on their part?

03:01 Fischer No rebuttal. Absolutely nothing. If that doesn’t tell you that everything I’m saying is true, I don’t know what could. I mean, this has got to be some kind of a world record of silence. I’m saying the most damaging things about these people. I called Linda Carter, the General Manager of the Pasadena branch of Bekins, a filthy cunt, a thief. No reply. I called Joseph Cho and Basheian—said they were in on the planning of this robbery. Now, lawyers live by their reputations. They’ve made no reply in the press, no lawsuit against me. Nothing.

03:54 Everybody’s silent. Because this is such an outrageous robbery, they have decided they just want to kill the whole story with silence.

04:04 Torre Well, that’s incredible. Because, you know, if somebody would do this thing to me, and if I’m not guilty—come on. Supposing I were to be on the air now for about ten or eleven months since January 1999, bad-mouthing you, saying the worst things about you all over the world on the internet. For months—would you just sit there and take it? You wouldn’t reply?

04:25 Fischer No, I would come out and deny the charges. When you’re innocent, of course.

04:32 Torre I don’t know, somehow it reminds me—do you know the song “The Sound of Silence”?

04:40 Fischer Ah, yes, by the Jews Simon and Garfunkel.

04:48 Torre Oh, you mean the composers are also Jews? “The Sound of Silence”?

04:52 Fischer Yes. “And in the naked light I saw ten thousand people, maybe more…” Anyway—

05:15 Look, Eugene, first of all, as I’ve said many times on this programme, the Holocaust never happened. It’s just a load of shit. But the Jews are claiming this Holocaust happened and that millions of Jews were killed, and also that they lost a lot of property and money in Swiss banks, and they were abused with slave labour—they won twenty billion dollars from Germany for their alleged slave labour. All kind of crap. But this is stuff that goes back fifty years and more now, right?

06:07 Torre Right. But that doesn’t matter. They want what’s theirs, right? They want their property back, their money back. They want everything back. They want it with interest. Well—how about your property? That happened a few months ago.

06:29 Fischer That’s dead, that’s gone. Forget about that, Eugene. That’s ancient history.

06:32 Torre But it just happened recently! I mean, the more recent, the more rights you have to recover it.

06:45 Fischer Everything comes down to who you are. I was listening to the BBC the other day, and they had some Mexican on, and they were talking about justice in Mexico. And the guy says, “Well, the kind of justice you get in Mexico depends completely on who you are and who you know.” And I thought to myself—yeah, exactly like the US.

07:12 Torre Because otherwise, those people who have done this to you, they should be investigated. And if found guilty, arrested.

07:22 And brutally—you know what I mean?

07:24 Fischer Yeah, yeah. This is such an obvious robbery and a rip-off. It’s so utterly outrageous.

07:33 Let me just read something here. I was reading in a book. I think it’s important, Eugene, when we talk about the Jews, that people have some kind of background as to what kind of people they are. Because basically, they look fairly similar to the other Caucasians—if they really are a Caucasian race, I don’t know. But they look fairly similar to Caucasians, and you would never know at first glance how totally different they are—what a totally different philosophy of life they have, especially from the Christians, you know.

08:08 Let me read this here. This is from a book called The Rothschild Money Trust by George Armstrong. Pages 55 and 56. A thick old book.

08:21 Torre But maybe that book is written to attack the Jews, or…

08:27 Fischer Yeah—to expose the Jews.

08:30 Fischer This is written around 1940. And this book talks about how at that time already, the Rothschilds, who are the richest Jewish family in the world, owned over half the wealth of the world at that time already. There’s one family. There’s one Jewish family.

08:45 Let me read this statement about the Jews. This gives a lot of insight into these people. “The Jews are descended from a nomadic Asiatic people who banded themselves together like packs of wolves, and roamed the plains of Palestine, Persia, Arabia and adjoining countries, and pillaged the people. Money is their god, and it has been since they repudiated the divine law of Moses and bowed down before Aaron’s golden calf. They have always imagined themselves superior to the peoples of the countries wherein they dwelt. They have outwitted and cheated and despoiled other peoples until it has become a part of their nature. The present Jew is the product of his ancestors. He has inherited many of their characteristics. His civilisation is but a veneer, and a thin one at that. He ill-conceals his vanity and egotism and deceitfulness, and cruelty and grasping nature.”

09:43 Torre Very strong.

09:45 Fischer They put it well, the description of these goddamn Jews.

09:47 Torre But very strong.

09:48 Fischer Well, it’s kind of… no, it’s weak when you consider that, you know, they murder children for their blood, you know. So I don’t know how strong it is.

09:58 Torre By the way, Bobby, I remember you said you wanted to say something regarding your mother?

10:10 Fischer Yes, we’ll get into that in a minute. Just a second here. Okay, there’s so many papers here, I’m getting buried alive in this stuff.

10:22 Okay, I just got some new information about this ritual murder business, which I think is very interesting. I had only thought that they killed children and men and women for their blood. But let me read you this statement. This is from a book by Jonathan Kaufman called A Hole in the Heart of the World, this is pages 82 and 83: “The arrest originated in and reinforced the long-standing Christian myth that Jews killed Christian children for sausage meat, or to use their blood at the Passover Seder.” See, so I’d always heard about Jews killing Christians for their blood, but I never heard that they actually used the children for sausage meat.

11:21 Now, I don’t know… The author is a Jew. He says he scorched it as a myth. But when you understand the Jews, they tend to reverse the truth, Eugene. So I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the Christians have accused the Jews of killing Christian children for sausage meat. I’ll bet you it’s true.

11:43 Maybe that’s the ultimate thrill for a Jew. Yeah, that’s the ultimate thrill for a Jew—to eat a Christian child for dinner, in sausage meat, after ritually murdering him.

11:56 Torre That’s not easy to prove, right?

11:59 Fischer Well, when you know these people, when you know their nature, Eugene, I think it’s understood that they will stop at nothing. They have to express their intense hatred to the Christians especially.

12:18 Torre Not easy for me to take that. I’ll give you for a while to Pablo.

12:27 Mercado All right, Bobby, it’s Pablo again. I was given some papers or documents by Eugene that obviously came from you. And there’s something here… I read that your mother has been very active before with the chess, right?

12:48 Fischer Yes. Could I get into that in about five minutes? I want to read some more stuff. I feel…

12:53 Mercado All right.

12:55 Fischer It’s important to lay the groundwork so people understand what manner of beast we’re talking about when we talk about Jews. So let me read a little more about the Jews. I put together some notes regarding Jewish thievery, and regarding their disrespect for the property and other rights of non-Jews. So this will take me a few minutes. I’ll go pretty fast, and you can interrupt me and ask me a question if you want, okay?

13:25 Mercado Just go ahead, then.

13:28 Fischer These are some notes regarding Jewish thievery. This is from The Secret World Government by Major General Count Cherep-Spiridovich, page 4: “History proves, and the Jewish encyclopedia confirms it, that the so-called German, Russian, Polish and Eastern Jews are Mongols who accepted the Jewish Talmud, which is not the creed given by Moses. The Talmud seems more like the bylaws of a gang of murderers than a religion, yet it is strictly followed by the so-called Jews. Among other things the Talmud teaches: the best Gentiles must be destroyed, and similar commands. However, many politicians have the effrontery to declare that this ‘religion’ ought to be respected, while it ought to be exposed in the courts as inciting to murder.”

14:15 I’ll continue now. Page 87 of The Secret World Government quotes Napoleon stating that all the talent of the Jews is concentrated on predatory acts, and also they have a creed which blesses their thievings and misdeeds. See? Robbing all my belongings… it’s blessed; it’s a holy act for the Jews. Let me continue.

14:36 Page 168 of The Secret World Government reads: “The day is not distant when all the riches and treasures of the earth will become the property of the children of Israel.” This is from a speech, or rather from a doctrine of Adolphe Crémieux, “Manifesto to All the Jews of the Universe,” 1860.

14:54 This is page 94 of The Secret World Government. It reads: “When death approached, old Amschel”—that’s Amschel Rothschild—“called together his children in Frankfurt, and having read the satanic Talmud, he proclaimed: ‘Remember, my children, that all the earth must belong to us Jews, and that the Gentiles, being mere excrements of animals, must possess nothing.”

15:17 The following quotations are from the book The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion, preface and explanatory notes, translated from the Russian text by Victor E. Marsden, formerly correspondent of the Morning Post, 1934. This is page 93. “The estates of the goyim are like wilderness; who first settles in them has a right to them.” This is from the Talmud, Baba Batra, 14b. All these are quotes from the Talmud.

15:46 Page 93. “The property of the goyim is like a thing without a master.” This is also from the Talmud, Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Hamishpat… I’ll just skip all of the references because you can look them up in this book on the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I’ll just read the statements.

16:02 “If a Jew has struck his spade into the ground of the goy, he has become the master of the whole.”

16:09 “To enhance the dignity of religious dogmas, the following commandments are given: that all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without scruples… that an Orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other nations, and on the contrary, he even ought to act against morality if it were profitable for himself or for the interests of Jews in general.”

16:34 “A Jew may rob a goy”—goy means unclean and is a disparaging name for a non-Jew—“he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him; otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.” That’s also from the Talmud, Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Hamishpat.

16:50 Here’s another one: “A thing lost by a goy may not only be kept by the man who found it, but it is forbidden to give it back to him.” This is also from the Talmud.

16:59 How to interpret the word “robbery”? “A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etcetera, from a goy or from a Jew. But he, a Jew, is not forbidden to do all this to a goy. If a goy killed a goy or a Jew, he is responsible. But if a Jew killed a goy, he is not responsible.” Again, I remind you: a goy is a non-Jew, it’s a disparaging term that the Jews use for non-Jews.

17:25 Here’s another one—it’s a very interesting one. This is a protocol of 1919. “A Russian newspaper, Prizyv of 5 February 1920, published in Berlin, contained an interesting document in Hebrew, dated December 1919, which was found in the pocket of the dead Jew Zunder, the Bolshevik commander…” In extenso it ran as follows. Well, I’ll just give you an excerpt from it here. See, this is 1919. “Secret. To the Representatives of all the Branches of the Israelite International League.” Now, this is an excerpt:

18:06 “Russia is conquered and brought to the ground. Russia is in the agony of death under our heel… But do not forget, not even for a moment, that we must be careful. The holy care for our safety does not allow us to show either pity or mercy.” I just want to interject—this is so typical of the Jews’ secret writing. They always talk about we must not show pity or mercy to the non-Jews. “At last we have been allowed to behold the bitter need of the Russian people and to see it in tears… By taking from them their property, their gold, we have reduced these people to helpless slaves.” And the protocol is signed: “the Central Committee of the Petersburg branch of the Israelite International League.”

18:47 This is the same thing they’ve done to me. They robbed my property and my gold. Exactly. I want to read that again: “By taking from them their property, their gold, we have reduced these people to helpless slaves.”

19:00 Now let me read a little more. This is from the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion itself. This is a statement that came out in about 1896—it was apparently from a Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland. Let me read this statement, it’s very short. “Therefore we must not stop at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. In politics one must know how to seize the property of others without hesitation, if by it we secure submission and sovereignty.” Protocol number 1 of the meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion. So they have seized my property without hesitation, but they haven’t gotten my submission. That’s the only problem for them.

19:43 Let me read a few more quotes here. The following quotations are from the book Judaism in Action by Apion. These are a few quotations from various books of the Talmud and the Kabbalah.

19:59 “God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all the nations.”

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00:00 Fischer “Regarding the Gentile claims to property rights, their possessions are like unclaimed land in the desert.” (laughs) “It is always a meritorious deed to get hold of a Gentile’s possession.” I’m just reading all these statements from their holy book, the Talmud. “When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money, and in his turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. But the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one. And the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.”

00:35 Another one: “It is not permitted to rob a brother, but it is permitted to rob a non-Jew, for it is written, Leviticus 19:13, ‘Thou shalt not rob thy neighbour’—but these words, said Jehovah, do not apply to a goy, who is not thy brother.” There’s another one: “Jews must always try to deceive Christians,” this is Zohar I, 168. All of these have references, but I’m skipping the references in the interest of time. Another one: “Jews are human beings; the other peoples of the world are not human beings, but beasts.” It is all from the Jewish holy books. “Although the people of the world outwardly resemble Jews, they are only as apes in comparison with men. The souls of the non-Jewish peoples come from the devil, and are sown such as the cattle and animals have. The seed-child of a stranger also have cattle seed. The houses of the goyim are the houses of animals.”

01:10 You see, that’s why the Jews are allowed to rob me—because I’m just an animal, I’m not even a human being. “Marriages taking place amongst Gentiles have no binding strength. Their cohabitation is just that, the coupling of horses. Therefore their children do not stand as humanly related to their parents. The seed-child of a Christian is of no more value than that of a beast. All non-Jewish women are whores. A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.” This is Avodah Zarah 37a. “Do not save Christian children—rather, do not save Christians in danger of death. Extermination of Christians is a necessary sacrifice. The Christian birthrate must be materially diminished. Every foreigner, non-Jew, who glorifies Sunday must be killed without asking him. Even the best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed. The best of the Christians must be strangulated. He who sheds the blood of the goyim is offering a sacrifice to God. If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death. A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death. Every goy who studies the Talmud and every Jew who helps him in it should die. It is forbidden to initiate a non-Jew into the secrets of the law. The Jew who concerns himself with this is as guilty as if he laid waste the world and denied the sacred name of God.”

02:08 “The Jews were created to be served by the non-Jews. The latter must plough, sow, weed, dig, mow. The Jews are created to find all this in readiness.”

02:18 This is exactly what they did with my stuff in the Bekins Storage House in Pasadena. I saved this stuff up for thirty years, earned it, brought it from all over the world, paid an enormous amount of money in storage fees. I bought the best safe, I got the best storage room in the whole LA area. I paid them over $10,000 in storage fees. They stole every goddamn thing—because they believe that my job as a non-Jew is to do the work, and their job is to get the benefit. See, this is their philosophy.

02:43 Here’s the work stuff. They teach: “Work is harmful and brings but little.” See, this is what they teach their people, the Jews. So if you don’t want to work, how are you going to get rich? “Teach your son an easy vocation, and endeavour thereby to acquire estates and riches. There is no meaner calling than that of agriculture.” See? According to the Jews, that’s their philosophy. “Israel is like the lady of the house, to whom her husband brings the money. Thus Israel is without the burden of labour and receives the money from the peoples of the world.” This is Yut 75. When they say “Israel,” they mean Jews—that’s what they used to call Jews, Israel, before the state of Israel, the modern state of Israel, was born.

03:00 So now we have a better idea what kind of animals we’re dealing with here. They are subhuman. They are the scum of the earth. When you talk about Jews, you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel of humanity.

04:32 Mercado Well, it looks like, Bobby, with what you just presented, you would find it hard to recover all those stolen goods that you own.

04:40 Fischer Of course. I’m only going to get it back after there’s a revolution in the United States and the Jewish dictatorship there is overthrown. Absolutely no chance of getting it back any other way. No chance. Of course, if I were to get down on my knees and beg, and say that the Holocaust happened and all these lies, I’m sure I’d get it back. But I’m not going to do that.

04:56 Mercado So you’re going to have to fight for a long time, then?

05:19 Fischer So I’m optimistic. I’m hoping that Washington DC will be wiped out.

05:32 Mercado Come on. That’s too strong.

05:36 Fischer That’s what I feel. I consider myself a very important person. If the US government is against me, I’m against it.

05:46 Mercado Alright. You mentioned Eugene was mentioning about your mother.

05:52 Fischer Yes. Okay. Now I want to get into something. After the dirty Jews in America—the US government and Bob Ellsworth and Bekins and the Pasadena Police Department and my two former lawyers and so on—robbed all my stuff at Bekins, I sent for my other stuff in storage in New York. And I got that, or I think I got it all. I’m not sure—who knows?—because that stuff was in storage for a very long time too.

06:21 And in there I found a lot of really interesting stuff from my mother going back to 1960. And she went after a very crooked organisation called the American Chess Foundation, and another crooked organisation called the United States Chess Federation. I dug out this stuff, I sent it over to Eugene. Most of it’s on the internet already. I just sent Eugene some more stuff by my mom that I found the other day. And this is really incredible stuff, because it ties in, believe it or not, with the robbery of my stuff at Bekins a few months ago.

07:06 Torre That’s right. She was very active in chess. I mean, she’d been working very hard for tournaments. And yet I’ve been reading this stuff, you see. And your mother was even picketing the offices.

07:26 Fischer Yes. Well, this organisation, the American Chess Foundation—they’re really fantastic crooks. And my mother got on to them, and she really went after them. They were using my name, advertising in Chess Review magazine, asking for donations to give me chess lessons and to send me to tournaments and so on. But they were never giving me any money. And not only me—they were defrauding all of the American chess scene in general. They were raising enormous amounts of money in the American Chess Foundation and giving very little back in return. And this American Chess Foundation was a completely Jewish outfit.

08:42 Now in this American Chess Journal—this is number 2—they had an incredible article. And I think it really—well, first of all, let me establish that this is 1993.

09:12 They had an article which, in a coded way, announced that they were going to rob my stuff at Bekins, see? They get some kind of a charge out of these things.

09:31 This American Chess Journal, number 2, 1993—it was totally controlled by the American Chess Foundation. All of this stuff is on the internet. Tell them where they can get this on the internet, Eugene.

09:45 Torre Yes. Probably they can check this or have a look at it in Bobby Ang’s website. It is www.pinoychess.com.ph. Anyway, the spelling of PhilChess is P-H-I-L-C-H-E-S-S. So they can check there, and they can even print this one, because it is in Acrobat. You could print it, you know, all pages or certain pages or one page.

10:30 Fischer Okay, all right. Let me get back to this American Chess Journal, number 2, 1993. This article is also on the internet, right, Eugene?

10:38 Torre Right, right, right, right. It’s already on the internet. It’s ninety pages at the moment, in the American Chess Journal.

10:44 Fischer This article from American Chess Journal—it’s six pages—is also on the internet?

10:48 Torre It’s also there, yeah. That is from the fifteen to twenty page.

11:30 It says on the table of contents—they talk about a benefactor of this magazine, Jacques Coe. Now, Jacques Coe—if you read my mother’s literature, his name is mentioned as one of the directors of the American Chess Foundation. “We encourage you to support this project and help ensure its continued success by making a donation either directly to us or through the American Chess Foundation.” So there’s no question this is an American Chess Foundation publication, 100%. American Chess Foundation’s money was behind it, and they completely controlled it. Now, I just want to establish that, and also I want to establish American Chess Foundation is a totally Jewish outfit. I’ll just give you the list of the names that were on it in 1960: Walter J. Fried, Alexander Bisno, Rosser Reeves, Morris J. Kasper, Jacques Coe, Mrs. Cecile Wartenberg, Lessing J. Rosenwald. I know for a fact all of those individuals are Jewish.

12:23 Okay, now let’s get into this article that they wrote in 1993 in the American Chess Journal.

12:31 They have an article called “Going Once.” Now let me read this article, okay? “On April 29, 1993, an auction of sets and other chess collectibles, including a few books, was held in New York City. Auctioneer Géza von Habsburg conducted the proceedings with impressive efficiency and a bit of humour. Although many lots did not draw their minimum bid, several went for over $1,000.”

13:42 “The auction demonstrated that there is a good market for chess collectibles, and more are planned.” Now the very next word in this magazine, in big double-sized bold type, is what? “Fischer.” See?

14:00 Torre Yeah.

14:02 Fischer This was their little in-joke. The next article after that is called “Fischer Update.” Now, this article in a subliminal manner is meant to condition and prepare the public to accept that the confiscation and robbery, the auctioning off of my belongings at Bekins, is perfectly normal.

14:49 Fischer Let me read from the Fischer Update: “In our long-standing account of the Fischer–Spassky rematch, we reported the widely shared suspicion among respectable Yugoslavs that Jezdimir Vasiljević, the mysterious entrepreneur who sponsored the match, was a crook, and that his Yugoslav bank, which paid up to 15% a month on deposits, was a scam. We speculated that perhaps he was financing the chess spectacle with the hard-earned savings of bank depositors.”

15:13 “Fischer, according to USA Today, had deposited most of his $3,000,000-plus of prize money in the Jugoskandik Bank. When the bank failed, he apparently lost his money.”

15:58 And that’s a huge lie, but it’s a deliberate lie to condition people—“well, he’s broke, you see? That’s why he didn’t pay his storage fees.”

16:07 Mercado That’s what you were referring to before—that they kept on repeating and repeating and repeating.

16:14 Fischer Right. How do I know it’s a lie? My money is in the Union Bank of Switzerland. I still got over $3,000,000 in there right now. Union Bank of Switzerland, Zürich. That’s where my money is.

16:30 Fischer Continuing: “He is under indictment by the US government for violating US law in playing the Spassky match in Yugoslavia. The fugitive Fischer may now wonder what he had actually gained by playing the match with Spassky. After the Yugoslav bank crashed, Fischer moved north to a small villa near the Serbian border with Hungary. Fischer said he was being cheated, betrayed, and abused, deeply depressed about being cheated of his prize money. He was being poisoned by drugs and moved and talked like a broken man.”

17:31 Now you see what they’re saying? He’s on drugs, he’s a broken man. He’s depressed. He probably doesn’t even remember he had stuff in storage. The point is, they’re conditioning the public so that later on, when my stuff is robbed—as the Jews plan to rob it—they’ll say, “Well, yeah, he lost it. He has no money to pay it anyway. He’s on drugs and he’s a broken man. He probably doesn’t even remember that he had stuff in storage.” You see? So, let me continue with this article.

18:11 “On 6th August, the Associated Press reported that Fischer was definitely in Hungary, negotiating seriously for the long-mooted Polgár match. According to Hungarian state television, Fischer was staying in a well-guarded house owned by László Polgár in the town of Nagymaros, north of Budapest. The Budapest Sport Daily Sport Plusz Foci quoted László Polgár as saying that “conditions for a match had been agreed to, and all we need now is the right sponsor.”

18:28 “The Sports Daily also printed a photograph of Fischer in Budapest. Later, conflicting reports suggested that Fischer wanted to play either blitz chess or Fischer Random chess.”

19:07 The article concludes: “It is ironic that Kasparov seems to be succeeding in his fight against FIDE where Fischer failed eighteen years ago. One difference is that Kasparov, despite his occasionally abrasive personality, is a genuine hustler who backs up his decisions with action. Kasparov went out and found new sponsorship for his PCA title match. Fischer, by contrast, sulks in his tent.”

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00:00 Fischer “Of course, Kasparov has the cooperation of a British opponent who was already mad at FIDE for allegedly botching the bidding process. In 1975, Fischer had to contend with Karpov, a tool of the Soviet state.” Okay. So that’s it. Those are the two articles.

00:17 So there I am, connecting the two, because there’s no question in my mind that they were doing two things here. One, they were having their little in-joke, feeling omnipotent, by announcing in advance, in code, that my stuff is going to be robbed from Bekins. And second, they were conditioning the public to accept it—he’s broke, he’s on drugs, he’s depressed. You see? It’s like you “abandoned your property.”

00:58 Torre Right.

01:04 Fischer They don’t want to enunciate it too clearly, because then people will start to realise how ridiculous it is—because I sent the check to Ellsworth, I housed it in an extremely expensive safe, I put it in the best storage house. So they don’t want to be too explicit—they’re just confusing people with all kind of stories. But basically, what they’re claiming is that they have a right to my property because I “abandoned” it, which is an outright, vicious lie. I’ve never abandoned anything.

01:42 We have those checks on the internet that I sent to Bob Ellsworth. Now this Bob Ellsworth was my established agent. He’d been paying the storage for years. I sent him the check. It was a certified bank cheque, not a personal cheque. And I sent it by registered mail. And I have the copies.

02:10 What happened is he just entered into a conspiracy with Bekins to rob my stuff. He told me everything was paid, practically up to the day Bekins was announcing auctions and stuff.

02:27 Bekins has never given any information about how they auctioned off my stuff. This Dryer and Feil auction, Eugene, according to all the press reports, is a re-auction. Somebody else bought it from Bekins, and now this is already a re-auction. We don’t know who bought it from Bekins. We don’t know when this person bought it from Bekins. We don’t know how much the person paid. We don’t know what they sold the person. We don’t know anything. Bekins refuses to reply to me. The press is totally disinterested—all the press wants to say is the property doesn’t belong to Fischer any more, end of story.

[Fischer then discusses his mother Regina Fischer’s activism against the American Chess Foundation, reading from documents she prepared around 1960. The documents detail financial mismanagement, refused funding for US players, and exploitation of Fischer’s name for fundraising.]

03:09 Torre Okay, because we still have many things to cover. You want to mention about your mother? Because I never realised she was so active.

03:21 Fischer I want to show the intense hatred that the Foundation no doubt had for me, because of course I beat the Jews in chess, I’m the best chess player and so on, but also because my mother exposed them.

04:00 I found a lot of really interesting stuff from my mother going back to 1960. Let me just read one page here. This is from about September 1960.

04:19 “Record of the American Chess Foundation, 1372 Broadway, New York City. American Chess Foundation directors of the past five years must resign. A new administration must take over to work for the benefit of all chess.”

04:48 “Only a handful of Americans managed to represent the USA in a few events abroad, mostly at their own risk and effort. Others must stay home for lack of funds. The American Chess Foundation squanders thousands of dollars contributed for chess on so-called expenses—operating, administrative, salaries. The US Chess Federation, struggling for lack of income, publishes its financial reports quarterly. Here are a few items from the Foundation’s five-year record:”

05:33 Fischer She lists: “Refuses funds for the 1960 World Chess Olympiad, October 14 to November 9, because it is to be held in Leipzig, East Germany.”

05:51 Torre Really?

06:03 Fischer “Made four conflicting statements as to how much it paid for the USA team in the 1958 Olympiad in Munich, Germany: $2,500; $3,877; $5,500; and $6,318.88. Refuses funds for a USA–USSR twenty-man team match with Tal and Botvinnik, champion and former world champion.”

06:46 That match never took place. What was very interesting is there was going to be twenty boards. I like these bigger matches in general, because I think ten boards is a little bit too small. This twenty-board match would have been really exciting.

07:19 Fischer “Has not announced prizes or invited any players for the December 1960 National US Championship chess championship.” No grants for expenses in the three-week event, nothing, because almost everybody lived in the New York area. Chess was a very East Coast game in those days. So they didn’t even have any expenses, hardly, in connection with putting the players up in hotels or paying for their food. But they still were dingy and miserly, putting up almost no money. “$50 and no grants for expenses in the three-week event. Foundation claimed lack of funds, substituted lower-rated players for these three.”

08:20 “Refused USA college student team any funds to play abroad in 1959. Gave team only $260 in 1958 when it played in Bulgaria. Refused to pay expenses for player to defend USA’s only world title held in 1959, the World Junior Championship—title lost by simple default.”

09:19 See, I never played at any of these World Junior events. The reason is basically I considered it too weak. From the time I was fourteen, I’d already won the US Championship—I would have won it very easily every year. They should have made absolutely sure I played. They should have given me some nice money, given me some good incentive to go there and beat what I considered weaklings. But they didn’t even ask me to go.

10:10 Torre Maybe because partly because of your mom, because your mom was exposing them.

10:20 Fischer Yeah. They didn’t like me either. The Jews are very sensitive. They have their antenna out, and they know the kind of people who are not ass-kissers. They recognised that my mom’s not an ass-kisser, I’m not an ass-kisser—that we’re bad news. We’re not going to play by the Jewish rules.

[Fischer continues reading more items from his mother’s documentation of the American Chess Foundation’s record, including refused funding for various tournaments and players.]

11:20 Fischer “Failed to announce $15,282.56 in expenses paid to unidentified recipients, including such items as $9,000 operating and administrative costs, $4,000 technical and consulting fees.” She lists all of these items.

11:54 “American Chess Foundation directors: Walter J. Fried, Alexander Bisno, Rosser Reeves, Morris J. Kasper, Jacques Coe, Mrs. Cecile Wartenberg, Lessing J. Rosenwald.” I know for a fact all of those individuals are Jewish.

12:24 So you can see right there, that’s corruption, see. “Advertised steadily all 1959 in Chess Review for money to ensure that America will be well represented in the international chess field. Only three players were able to play for the USA abroad in 1959. None got any funds from the Foundation. Four players have played abroad in the past two years, a total of eleven times, without aid or recognition from it. Since 1956, the Foundation is the single heaviest advertiser in the privately-owned slick-paper magazine Chess Review” —which I would add is owned by the dirty Jew Al Horowitz.

13:06 “Small, official newsprint paper Chess Life struggles with deficit, gets no advertising revenue or grants from Foundation.” Chess Life was owned by the dirty Jew Al Horowitz—he’s long gone. “Refused World Chess Federation proposals to hold 1959 Challengers Tournament in USA. Ignored proposals to hold events culminating in international chess event in 1964 World’s Fair. Demanded contract from player in return for expenses to tournament, prevented contract terms from publication in the press.”

13:35 That was the contract they wanted my mother to sign that they could use my name to raise the money. But it was like an open-ended kind of thing, so they could have been using my name endlessly to raise money for the Candidates, see?

13:50 My mother gave this contract and a whole lot of other information showing what absolute debilitants the American Chess Foundation were and are.

13:59 I think very recently the American Chess Foundation has changed their name to Chess in Schools. I don’t know whether the American Chess Foundation has been disbanded or whether they just changed the name to Chess in Schools. But it’s the same people, in the same building as the American Chess Foundation was, and the same people are running it. So nothing has changed. I think they found it’s a better racket for raising money. They have a slogan they use: “Push Pawns, Not Drugs.” Very clever slogan—just to trick people out of their money.

14:44 Torre Your mom really came on really strong defending us.

14:49 Fischer Yeah, there’s a whole bunch. We got fourteen pages of this on the internet, and I sent you another five or six pages. Incidentally, one page, which I’m just sending you, which is not on the internet yet but will be on there shortly—you should have it in a few days or months. You have terrible mail. Anyway, it’s incredible. This very guy, this Jacques Coe, who is listed on the table of contents in American Chess Journal as a benefactor—my mother picketed this guy’s house.

15:27 Fischer And my mother picketed this guy, Jacques Coe. She picketed his office. 39th and Broadway, Bowling Green, Lexington Line, daily Monday through Friday, 12 to 2 PM.

15:31 Fischer I sent you this paper. It says here: “Picketing Mr. Coe, 39 Broadway, Bowling Green, Lexington Line, daily Monday through Friday 12 to 2 p.m.” And then she lists the names of these—of the American Chess Foundation. And Alexander Bisno was the vice president, but he was convicted of fraud, replaced by Mr. Coe in 1962. Jacques Coe is a Jew, of course. And Mr. Coe, he was also the president of the Manhattan Chess Club.

16:10 Torre Anyway—I could see that a good part of your character came from your mom, because your mom was so very strong with her principles.

16:18 Fischer The main difference between us is that she used good, clean language, Eugene. My mother was after my bad language in the last years, a lot.

16:43 Torre Yeah. Everybody has his own style.

16:54 Fischer But some people are disappointed—they say, apart from my foul language, I have a clean image. Well, look, when you talk about the goddamn Jews, you just can’t help but using this kind of four-letter language. They’re such filthy bastards.

17:06 I mean, there’s an article here in front of me. This is from the Jerusalem Post International Edition, the week ending April 11, 1999. It’s called “The Crisis Minuet.” And it quotes Baker.

17:34 Torre Baker?

17:38 Fischer James Baker, former Secretary of State. Big man, very well-dressed, very well-spoken, handsome dude from Texas. Those were the days when Secretary of State James Baker was reported to have said, quote, “Fuck the Jews. They don’t vote for us anyway.”

18:15 And then the article continues. “That remark, as well as President George Bush saying that he was one little guy in Washington battling the gargantuan Jewish lobby, and Baker’s sarcastic quip to the effect that if the Israelis were sincere about peace, they should call the White House switchboard—sounded distinctly like the background flourish to a serious crisis.”

18:41 Imagine how powerful the Jews are, when the President of the United States says, “I’m just a little guy” battling the Jewish lobby. And this is not from some anti-Jewish publication. This is the Jerusalem Post International Edition.

19:00 Torre You remember, you said—actually, your language has improved a lot. People don’t say this.

19:13 Fischer Well, do you remember this book, Bobby Fischer versus the Rest of the World, by Brad Darrach?

19:25 Torre Yes, I remember.

19:30 Fischer This Jewish publisher, the owner was Sol Stein—a Jew. Anyway, this book quotes—here’s a quote, page 51: “Worst of all, a chess official told me, every other word out of his mouth was ‘fuck.’ He was an extremely vulgar and unpleasant boy.”

19:54 Torre He was referring to you?

20:00 Fischer Yes. “Every other word out of his mouth was ‘fuck.’ He was an extremely vulgar and unpleasant boy.” Now I don’t talk that way anymore. I mean, maybe every fourth or fifth word today is “fuck.” I’ve really cleaned up my language a lot.

20:27 And also, people don’t know this, but I have a very long-term plan—over the next twenty or thirty years, I intend to get my fucks down to maybe once every ten words.

20:41 Torre Really?

20:45 Fischer I’m working on it. People don’t give me credit for how hard I’ve tried to improve myself.

20:59 Okay. We are running short of time. I want to mention one last thing. Some people—I know they’re going to download all this stuff from the internet, and they’re going to be sceptical, because they’re going to think, “Well, I don’t know if the Jews really announce their crimes in advance.”

21:30 Let me read something from their own paper. This is The Jerusalem Post, international edition, week ending September 5, 1998. This is an article by a Jew called Jonathan Rosenbloom. “Some years ago, I was teaching a weekly class in Ethics of the Fathers, and we arrived at the Mishnah, which instructs us to,” quote, “calculate the reward of the sin against its loss.”

22:06 Torre My goodness. When you sent me this, I couldn’t believe it—that something is being published openly.

22:16 Fischer You see, us Christians, Eugene, we are taught not to sin, period—right? Just don’t sin, period. But the Jews have a different approach to life completely. Everything is mathematical with them.

22:33 These dirty Jews who control… the Jewish world government, and the dirty Jews who control the US government, and the Jews who own Bekins—by the way, Eugene, I believe, the more I follow this situation, I believe Bekins is probably owned by the Rothschilds themselves, because it’s just unbelievable how the name “Bekins”—that robbed all my stuff, where I had all my stuff in storage—how their name has been kept out of the press.

23:03 They sat down, these dirty Jews who own Bekins and who control the US government, and they just analysed it, calculated what are the pluses of robbing all of Fischer’s stuff in storage at Bekins. They analysed: “We get the stuff is worth enormous wealth. It’ll be worth tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars eventually, maybe more.” That’s one—that’s a plus. Another plus is that we’ll control his image, because we have all of his most personal documents. We can mould his image for all time to come. We practically own him. We own his soul now. And we rob it—it won’t enrich us very much, it will impoverish Fischer, it will make him unhappy, and it’ll hurt him—that’s another big plus.

23:51 And then another plus—we control the press in America and all over the world. We control the courts in the US. We control the Pasadena Police Department. So these are all the pluses they analysed.

24:06 Then they analysed the negative. What is the negatives? What is the downside? The downside is Fischer will probably make a stink about it—that he might start exposing the Jews. But they went, “Well, how many people will hear about his attacks against us, and how many people will believe it?” So they analyse it strictly mathematically. Like Christians who do things based on right or wrong—because for them, everything is, can you get away with it? Is it to our benefit?

24:36 Torre That’s incredible. The only thing I don’t understand is, how come they even publish it, you know, in the open where people can read it?

24:46 Fischer Yeah—I think they feel it’s important to keep in communication with their fellow Jews, and a lot of Jews don’t speak Hebrew or Yiddish, so they have to communicate with them in English. And I think they also feel that non-Jews are pretty stupid, they won’t pay much attention to these papers. As a matter of fact, since I’ve been reading this stuff from the Jerusalem Post International Edition—I used to buy them here in Budapest—I can’t buy them anymore. They’ve cut it off. They don’t sell it at any public newsstand here in Budapest. I’ve looked all over the city.

25:26 And I want to say another thing, Eugene, regarding this. Some people I know are going to download all this stuff from the internet about this article in American Chess Journal, and they’re going to be sceptical, because they’re going to think, “Well, I don’t know if they really announce it in advance.” Just is that their style? Yes, it is.

25:46 Let me read you something from a book here by Gordon Thomas, called Gideon’s Spies, The Secret History of the Mossad. This is page 71: “Another terrorist was asleep in a hotel room in Nicosia when it was wrecked by a similar bomb. To create panic among the remaining members of the Black September group who had killed the athletes”—those are the athletes at the Munich Olympics—“Mossad Arab agents arranged for their obituaries to appear in local Arab newspapers. Their families received flowers and condolence cards shortly before each was killed.”

26:37 So this is the Jews—they get a real kick out of showing their omnipotence. They’re sending condolence cards and flowers to the families of the people they’re going to murder. In advance.

26:53 When you have the kind of hate and the sadism that the Jews have, it has to come out.

27:09 Torre I’m sorry, but Pablo here is saying it’s news time. It’s unfortunate because we still have plenty of things to cover.

27:19 Fischer I’m sorry, Pablo. I didn’t mean to monopolise the whole programme and not let you talk, but I had so much information I wanted to get on, and I was in such a hurry.

27:36 Mercado That’s okay with me. It’s been fun listening to you and Eugene. I just hope we can have another time in the future so we can have more dialogue.

27:45 Fischer Yes. I wanted to get this information out. This is kind of a study broadcast. People will get this off the internet and then download the documents so they can play it over and study everything.

28:00 Mercado That’s right. Alright. We’ll do that. Bobby, thank you again.

28:05 Fischer You’re welcome, Pablo.

28:07 Mercado Yes. And good night, and good afternoon.

28:09 Fischer Okay. Bye. Bye.

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[Pablo Mercado hosts on Bombo Radio, Baguio. GM Eugene Torre is in the studio. Bobby Fischer calls from Budapest. This is the first interview of 2000—a gap of three months since Chapter 9.]

00:03 Mercado It is January 19. And tonight, as we said earlier, we will be having an exclusive interview with the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer. First, here to assist us is, of course, Asia’s very own Grandmaster, Mr. Eugene Torre, now with me inside the booth. Eugene, before we finally get started, what do we have in store for the night’s interview with Bobby?

00:35 Torre Plenty. Because it’s been some time that we have not spoken to Bobby. So there will be quite a lot of new things, new news.

00:52 Mercado And Bombo Radio is incredible. I mean, you are the main line to Bobby.

01:02 Torre Yeah. Maybe we should ask Bobby about this. He’s on the line right now.

01:07 Mercado Bobby, good evening.

01:09 Fischer Hello, Pablo. How are you?

01:12 Mercado I’m fine. And may I know what time you have there in Budapest?

01:18 Fischer It’s exactly 12:29, 12:30. In the afternoon.

01:26 Mercado Alright. Good afternoon to you. Again, I’d like to welcome you to the programme. It’s been a long time, Bobby, since the last interview. How are you doing now?

01:35 Fischer Oh, I’m doing very well. Yeah. I’m gonna have a little announcement to make. But first, I want Eugene to give his fax number and his email, because I’m very disappointed that I can’t get on the radio anywhere else in the world—only in the Philippines, and especially on Bombo Radio.

02:38 I’ve practically put out a challenge to any radio station in the world. I’m willing to go on live and talk, free of charge. But nobody wants me. Because the owners of Bekins—who I am more and more convinced are none other than the Rothschilds themselves, this dirty Jewish family—they’re like kings that can make or break your career.

03:14 I cannot get on the air anywhere to tell the world that Bekins Moving and Storage Company—B-E-K-I-N-S—maybe the world’s largest moving and storage company, has robbed my belongings in cahoots with Bob Ellsworth and with the US government. Anyway, I’m putting out the challenge. I’m going to go on any radio station in the world, live, free of charge. I’d like to get on the air in Iceland and Germany especially.

03:57 I just got some magazine—I think Schach magazine—that named me the chess player of the century. Can’t get on the radio in Germany. Nobody’s talking to me.

04:11 Can you imagine that? You have been named the chess player of the century—

04:22 Fischer Yes. Apparently they had some kind of a contest, and this magazine named me the chess player of the twentieth century.

04:33 Mercado Okay, so Bobby, but please, you cannot say that everything, you know, most of the time, it’s all conspiracy against you, huh?

04:46 Fischer Well, yes, I can. I believe that the reason—I’m sure the Schach magazine has been bought by the Jews. Everything in Germany after World War II was taken over by the dirty Jews. And the idea behind doing this is to increase the value of all the memorabilia they’ve stolen from me.

05:04 And also they’ve stolen the rights to my 60 Memorable Games, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. They’ve virtually stolen my name in general, for the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer and so on. They want to increase the value of their property, which is me—and the stuff they’ve stolen from me. All my memorabilia, all my belongings, my clothes, my notebooks, my fan mail, my letters from my family members.

05:32 They’ve got a huge room full of my stuff. Now they have a big investment in that stuff. I mean, it didn’t cost them any money, but nonetheless, they want to get all they can out of it. You know, like maybe a letter that they stole from my mother to me—maybe they would charge, let’s say, $10,000, $20,000 for it, maybe more. But now they say, “Oh, hey, listen, buddy, don’t try to pull this cheap talk on me. Bobby Fischer is the chess player of the twentieth century, and I’ve got a letter from his mother telling him this, that, and the other thing. I wouldn’t sell it for less than $100,000 or $200,000, whatever they say.” You understand?

06:15 The Jews, they want to increase the value of all the stolen property. Don’t forget, I’m not going to be around forever. You know, like Elvis—after he died, he sold more records than when he was alive. So all this stolen stuff will be even worth more after I’m gone, see? And after I can’t expose the fact that it’s all stolen property too, you know?

06:41 Mercado Yeah, yeah. Okay. But conspiracy or not, at least I think you deserve all this accolade, you know? Because you have given so much, you have accomplished so much, and you have contributed so much to world chess anyway.

06:53 Fischer Well, thank you.

07:01 Mercado Okay, Bobby? But before I forget, I have to give my, uh, how you call this, my home fax.

07:10 Fischer Look, man, I already know all the facts. Because any radio station in the world that’s serious about having me on live, they can contact you and you’ll get that message over to me. I guarantee, any radio station in the world—Eugene is a very trusted friend. If you contact him with the fax, he’ll get that message to me. He can’t make any decisions on my behalf, but he’ll get the message over to me.

07:33 Mercado Thank you, Bobby, for that clarification.

07:35 Torre Anyway, my fax number is 0063-74-304-2072. Okay, I repeat: 0063, that is the country code, then 74, that is Baguio, then 304-2072.

07:57 Mercado Okay, and I think you have an email too.

07:59 Torre My email address is E-U-T-O-R-R-E—E as in England, U as in Uniform, T as in Tango, O as in Oscar, R as in Romeo, R as in Romeo, E as in England—at skyinet.net. S-K-Y-I-N as in Norway, E as in England, T as in Tango. So all in all it’s eutorre@skyinet.net. So any message—especially if you’re interested in an interview with Bobby Fischer live—you can just radio it in.

08:51 Mercado Yeah, but of course you have mentioned that earlier. I don’t think you can go on the… which country or area, Bobby?

08:58 Fischer Argentina too, I played there. Iceland, Germany, Yugoslavia—even Russia, even Red China. Even the filthy, dirty United States of America. I’m willing to go on live.

09:17 Mercado Really? Yeah, you very much hate the dirty US, huh? Maybe a little bit more. (laughs)

09:22 Fischer And more. The United States is a filthy country. It was always a filthy country. They stole the land from the American Indians. They gave them blankets that they infected with smallpox. Fuck the United States. It was always a shitty country. I see this now very clearly. Even the very Jewish Economist couldn’t help but mention that the United States was founded on humiliation and domination. I would add injustice.

09:53 Torre Anyway, Bobby—mentioning of the US, you know that I was given the Award of one of the Athletes of the Millennium here in the Philippines. I was wondering—I have not heard the US recognising you, you know, for all the contribution and achievement you have done for them.

10:14 Fischer They won’t make me President of the Millennium. (laughs) I mean, that’s very, very pathetic.

10:25 Torre Anyway, Bobby, do you have any announcement?

10:28 Fischer Yes, I do, Eugene.

10:33 I’ve been giving this quite a lot of thought. I’ve been mulling it over for the last year since the dirty Jews at Bekins and Bob Ellsworth robbed all my stuff in storage. And I decided, as a result of this, I can no longer in good conscience pay my Florida property taxes. The US government doesn’t respect my property rights. So what is the point of bothering to pay my property taxes in Florida? Eventually, after all of this has quieted down about the robbery of my stuff at Bekins, they’re going to take that too, you see.

11:26 Anyway, I can’t enjoy it because I’m under indictment. They want to put me in jail. So I have decided not to pay any taxes on it. And furthermore, I’m not going to sell it or try to sell it. I’m not going to try and transfer it to anybody else. That’s it. I’m not paying. Fuck the United States.

11:47 I want to read the property details so everybody knows just what I’m talking about. It is in Clearwater, Florida. The courthouse is at 315 Court Street, Clearwater, Florida 34616. And it’s Plat 14, Page 71, Fairmount Park—Block 11, Lots 36 and 37; and the same Plat 14, Page 71, Fairmount Park—Block 25, Lots 26 and 27. So those five pieces of property, I’m not paying on anymore.

12:38 This property—my mom got it from her father when he died, in his will. And then I bought it from my mom after I came into some money after my 1972 match in Iceland. And since then I’ve paid a lot of money in property taxes. I’d say at least $50,000 I’ve sunk into this property altogether, maybe more.

13:19 This property is really nice too. I have two lots in one place and then three lots together in another place. And it’s a really lovely town—it’s in Tarpon Springs, and it’s about an hour, hour and a half from Disneyland. It’s the Gulf side, not the Atlantic side, so it’s much nicer. They call it a Greek fishing village. They had a lovely Greek restaurant there with lamb and rice and stuff. They were selling a lot of sponges and seashells in the stores. A lovely town, lovely weather.

14:01 I was hoping, if someday I had children, it would be real nice to have a house there and take them over to Disneyland. But everything has changed. Disneyland, of course, is now taken over by the dirty Jew Michael Eisner, and I’m indicted, all my stuff has been robbed. So fuck it. That’s it. I’m not paying any more taxes on that property. That’s it.

14:29 The tax collector’s name is W. Fred Eddins, CFC, Tax Collector, Pinellas County, P.O. Box 1729. Telephone: (727) 464-5540, Clearwater, Florida 33757-1729. At 315 Court Street, Clearwater, Florida 34616. And the property tax I owe this year—well, it comes to less than $1,300. But I’m not paying it.

15:11 I want to read you something. “It is bad as far as we are concerned if a person, a political party, an army, or a school is not attacked by the enemy. In that case, it would definitely mean that we have sunk to the level of the enemy. It is good if we are attacked by the enemy, since it proves that we have drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves. It is still better if the enemy attacks us wildly and paints us as utterly black and without a single virtue. It demonstrates that we have not only drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves, but achieved a great deal in our work.”

16:39 This is from an article or a speech by Mao Tse-Tung called “To Be Attacked by the Enemy Is Not a Bad Thing but a Good Thing.” May 26, 1939. I’ve read a lot of good statements by Hitler, and even Jesus in the Bible, but I think this is the best thing I’ve seen along these lines about being attacked by the enemy. Very deep analysis by Mao.

17:19 I remember after the US deliberately bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, there were those demonstrations in Beijing. Well, they didn’t really do much—they just kind of damaged the US Embassy a bit. They should have just blown up the Embassy—without the ambassador inside, of course. But that’s not too much at all. The US killed people in the Chinese Embassy too, don’t forget.

[On 7 May 1999, during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, a US B-2 bomber struck the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, killing three people and setting off large anti-US demonstrations across China. The United States and NATO said the embassy had been hit by mistake, the intended target being a nearby Yugoslav government building; whether the strike was in fact deliberate has been disputed ever since: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade.]

17:53 There was an article in the Herald Tribune, the International Herald Tribune, and they were talking to some of the people in the street, the demonstrators, and one demonstrator said, “Well, if Mao Tse-Tung was alive, he wouldn’t take this. He’d really hit the US back.” He was a good man, a tough man, Mao Tse-Tung. He knew how to handle the Jew-controlled United States.

18:18 Okay, can I give it to Pablo now?

18:24 Mercado Hi, Bobby. I’d like to go over what these issues are, that you just talked about…

18:36 Mercado If I could just ask a question, Bobby?

18:38 Fischer Go ahead, Pablo.

18:40 Mercado Yes. What, in 1999, was the most common name in America for a male baby?

18:55 Fischer Think Old Testament. How about Jacob?

19:10 Mercado Jacob?

19:13 Fischer Yes. And this is in a Christian country, right? Nobody is naming their children Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. They’re naming them Jacob. This is the most common name in 1999. I read it in the International Herald Tribune. That’s all. It’s an article from December 22, 1999. If that doesn’t tell you what a Jewish country the United States is.

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[Continuation. Fischer discusses internet distrust, Aldrich Ames, the cancelled cheques, and the Korchnoi–Karpov prearrangement claim.]

00:20 Mercado You mentioned a while back that there have been no reactions yet from other news outlets that would like to interview you, from other countries, right?

00:30 Fischer Yes, nothing. Absolutely nothing. And I would almost bet there’s still not going to be anything. Because how many times have I asked about this on your program—to get invited to other radio stations, live, anywhere in the world?

00:46 Mercado Yes, we’ve talked about that previously, all the time. And these programs go out on the internet.

00:52 Fischer I know people all over the world are picking up these programs off the internet. But nobody wants me.

01:00 Mercado Not even on the internet, did they ever try to contact you?

01:03 Fischer No, I’m talking radio—regular radio stations I want to be on.

01:08 Mercado Well, outside the radio stations, have there been some reactions that you have been receiving so far? Let’s say from the internet?

01:20 Fischer I’ll tell you the truth, Pablo. I don’t trust the internet emails at all. You don’t know who the hell is sending them. I think they’re almost all from the enemies—the good ones and the bad ones. I think they’re all phony baloney. Almost all of them are phony baloney emails. That’s my honest opinion. Because they have to put in a few favourable ones so people don’t realise that all the nasty ones are from the Jews too, you see?

01:38 Let me not forget, Pablo—the internet is an American thing. And I believe that the US government has more control over the internet than what’s being let on.

02:09 All I know is I don’t trust those emails. Alright. I’m going to use the internet as long as they allow these programmes to go out unedited and intact. But I don’t trust email because it’s an American invention.

02:23 Mercado There’s a question here: do you have any hero in the United States?

02:36 Fischer Do I have a hero in the US? Yes, I do. My hero is Aldrich Ames, the spy who broke the CIA.

02:46 Mercado Aldrich Ames? The spy who broke the CIA? He’s in prison now.

02:53 Fischer Yes. He betrayed the CIA. He betrayed all of the CIA agents over in Russia. A lot of them were executed because of him, they say.

03:03 Mercado Why is he your hero?

03:06 Fischer Because he screwed the CIA. He screwed the United States of America. And I hope the Russians will spring him from jail. What the Russians should do now—there are plenty of CIA rats in Russia. They’re always catching them, but that damn Yeltsin was letting them go free. They should catch a few American CIA rats in Russia, try them, convict them, sentence them to death. Get, say, three or four CIA rats, American CIA rats. Then just call up Clinton and say, “Look, unless you give us Ames back tomorrow, all these CIA rats we’ve got—we’re going to execute them in the morning.” You have to play hardball with the United States. That’s the only language they understand.

[Aldrich Ames was a CIA counter-intelligence officer who spied for the Soviet Union, and afterwards Russia, from 1985 until his arrest by the FBI in 1994. The information he sold compromised numerous US intelligence sources, at least ten of whom were executed. He pleaded guilty, was sentenced to life imprisonment without parole, and died in prison in January 2026: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/aldrich-ames.]

03:51 Malcolm X said it: if somebody speaks English, you talk to him in English. Somebody speaks Spanish, you talk to him in Spanish. If somebody speaks the language of violence, you have to talk to him in the language of violence. You have to talk to everybody in their own language. Otherwise, they don’t understand what you’re saying. The Jews who control America only understand the language of violence.

04:34 Mercado You’ve been coming down hard on the Jews and the United States. I’m surprised there are no reactions. Looks to me like you’re waging a lonely battle.

04:48 Fischer Well, guilty as hell. And I think they really slipped up. They did not think I had those photocopies of the cheques that I sent to Ellsworth. Because I’m sure if I didn’t come out with those cheques, Ellsworth was gonna say, “Oh yeah, Fischer stopped sending me cheques. I thought he made other arrangements to pay the Bekins company. That’s why I didn’t pay. No conspiracy.” You see? That was what he was gonna say if I didn’t have those photocopies of the cheques.

[Photocopies of Fischer’s cheques to Bob Ellsworth, reproduced from Fischer’s website:]

05:29 And I’ll tell you why the Jewish world government thought I didn’t have photocopies of those cheques. Because I went to the bank and got these certified bank cheques to send to Ellsworth, but I never made copies at the bank. Usually, when people get these cheques, they say, “Oh, make me a copy.” But I didn’t do that. I always took the cheque and went out to a copy store and then made my own copy.

05:56 Mercado So they thought you were not taking copies of these cheques?

06:05 Fischer Yeah. And Ellsworth had his speech ready—“He must have stopped paying, or somebody else was paying.” But once they saw I had the cheques, they said, “Holy shit. Maybe we shouldn’t have grabbed Fischer’s stuff, because now he’s got these goddamn cheques.” And then the best thing is just to shut up. Let this thing blow over. Time is on our side. More time goes by, it becomes ancient history.

06:45 Mercado Let’s get back to that announcement that you made. How can you not pay your taxes when you don’t even have possession of these properties?

06:59 Fischer No, Pablo. They robbed my most precious possessions in storage, which took me a lifetime to put together. And they’ve shown—the US government has shown—they don’t respect my property rights. Why should I throw good money after bad? They’re going to grab this property in Florida eventually anyway. But even if they don’t, I can’t enjoy it—they want to put me in prison. In any event, I’m doing this as a protest. I want to emphasise that I feel very strongly about this robbery. So I’m putting my Florida property where my mouth is.

07:35 Mercado And your statement that you’re not going to sell it, but you don’t have possession of these things—

07:42 Fischer Yes. You said you’re not going to sell all your memorabilia, right? I’m not going to sell my property in Florida, or transfer it to somebody else. They’ve already grabbed all my memorabilia and all my stuff in storage. This is like a protest against that.

08:01 Mercado You have lots of properties in the United States?

08:04 Fischer No, no. That’s all I have, actually—those five lots. And they have a lot of sentimental value to me. I got them from my mother, and she got them from her father, and so on. All right, but enough is enough. You know, I was thinking about this for a year—how to handle this—but I just cannot in good conscience send money.

08:46 Torre Bobby? Because you referred me to this article—this is from Inside Chess, September 5, 1994, page 22. This is about an interview with Korchnoi. I think he wanted to—which part of the interview was it?

09:04 Fischer Oh, yeah. Well, he says basically what I’ve been saying about prearrangement. I’ve been saying for years that all these matches between Karpov and Kasparov were prearranged. And even before that, all the matches between Karpov and Korchnoi were prearranged too.

09:34 Torre You want me to read it?

09:41 Fischer Yeah. This is a quote from Korchnoi, from Inside Chess, issue September 5, 1994. He says: “Do you know that my match against Karpov in Merano, 1981, was fully prearranged at the highest political level of the Soviet Union? This can be testified to by official documents of the KGB, the secret police of the Soviet Union.”

10:23 Fischer For years, decades, I have been telling people that these Russian matches with each other are all prearranged. Of course, Korchnoi could be a Russian Jew—I think he is. I consider that the Korchnoi–Karpov matches were prearranged in the sense that the KGB arranged the results.

10:50 It really hurt when even my mother didn’t believe me about the prearrangement. But I sent her a copy of this article and she was furious. She says, “They tricked me! Which paper do I contact? What do I do?” She wanted to contact the whole world to tell everybody about this.

11:40 Well, I think this is what the CIA calls a “limited hangout.” The Jews have one eye on the future. They don’t want it to be said later—they know it’s gonna come out—that all this stuff was prearranged. But they don’t want it to be said that only Fischer was saying it. Do you see what I mean? They want Korchnoi himself to have said it. So Fischer has no distinction in that regard.

12:05 But what’s very funny with this interview is that after I mentioned my predictions—their next question was, “How is your relationship with Kasparov now?” I mean, can you imagine, Eugene? What if I gave an interview and I said, “Do you know that my match in 1972 with Spassky was prearranged at the highest levels of the CIA? Let’s just see the CIA release those documents.” Do you think the interviewer wouldn’t ask me another question about it? Come on.

12:49 Anyway—this was staged by the Jews. Inside Chess is a Jewish publication. This was well thought out, well planned, this statement by this dirty Jew Korchnoi. But it is true, nonetheless, that that match was prearranged. But that’s the tip of the iceberg, Eugene. The tip of the iceberg.

13:11 All of Korchnoi’s matches with Karpov were prearranged. The first match in Baguio was prearranged. And the match before that, in ’74, when Karpov qualified to play me in the Candidates—that was prearranged too. Korchnoi is a fantastic crook, just like Kasparov and Karpov and all these other Russian Jewish masters.

13:25 Torre Anyway, Bobby, going back to your mom—because you mentioned that even more reason now why they robbed all your memorabilia and all your belongings.

13:56 Fischer This is true, Eugene. When I was looking over that stuff we put on the internet—if you noticed in one of them, my mom was fasting until the American Chess Foundation gave the money to send the US team to play in Leipzig. Now I believe the Jews, when they were planning to steal Fischer’s stuff from storage—they thought, if we steal Fischer’s stuff before his mother dies, she’s gonna go on a hunger strike demanding that her son gets all his stuff back. And knowing his mother being old and infirm and feeble, she probably would have died in short order from a hunger strike. And then the Jews have got the blood of Fischer’s mother on their hands, which would cause enormous international publicity.

15:04 I don’t know. She passed away—or was given a little help to the next world. And then a few months after, my sister was gone. And a year and a half after my mom was when they grabbed all my stuff.

15:25 I’ll tell you, my mom was tough. She would have been picketing Bekins. She would have been picketing the White House. Hunger strikes, maybe—I don’t know. She never was very violent. But maybe, if she had the physical strength and the know-how, she just would have gotten a gun and gone over to Bekins and blasted that filthy bitch Linda Carter, the General Manager there. You know, my mom was much tougher than me.

16:46 Torre He says here—this is from the June Chess Life, page 399—he says: “Bobby’s antisemitism is nothing new. He also blamed a worldwide Jewish conspiracy for preventing him from playing chess for twenty years before his rematch with Spassky.”

17:10 Fischer See, he’s ridiculed that before. This is not the first time he’s ridiculed my statement that the Jews blacklisted me. And it is true—they did blacklist me. They’re even blacklisting me now.

17:25 This is a common trick of the Jews—to blacklist their enemies and then to pretend they haven’t. Now I’ll give you an example. Remember the great movie actor Victor Mature? Remember him? He was Samson in the Samson and Delilah movie, and a lot of other movies. Very handsome guy. I don’t think he was a Jew.

17:46 Anyway, he died a few months ago. And every single report I heard on the BBC, I read in the paper—all were saying the same thing: that after the late ’60s, early ’70s, he retired from acting and just went down to the San Diego area to play golf and watch TV. Right?

18:48 But I remember an interview—I believe it was in the National Enquirer or one of those type of newspapers—where he blasted Hollywood. He said they blackballed him out of Hollywood. They wouldn’t give him any more roles. He was serious. This is the Jewish way. They blacklist you out of chess, out of acting, out of whatever your chosen profession is. And then it’s, “Oh, it’s a pity so-and-so doesn’t want to act anymore” or “Bobby doesn’t want to play chess anymore. It’s a shame.”

19:57 Then suddenly I’m gonna play. And they said, “Uh-oh.”

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00:00 Fischer “You’re going to go to prison if you play.” Right? So the prediction that I didn’t want to play—it was all bluff, you understand? The Jews are liars.

00:10 Mercado I’ve been listening to you and Eugene, and it’s very interesting.

00:30 After all of these things, you still intend to play chess, don’t you? Fischer Random?

00:41 Fischer Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:44 Mercado Why not the classical one?

00:47 Fischer Well, I’ve explained—I don’t like it anymore. It’s really just all prearrangement and memorisation. It’s not a real test of sportsmanship and skill, in my mind.

00:58 Mercado Which reminds me—in the past there used to be adjournments in top competition, and the sealed moves. What are your thoughts about this?

01:10 Fischer Yes. I’ll tell you. I’ve been giving this some thought, and the more I think about adjournments, the more I realise this was a mini-conspiracy in itself. I believe this was a powerful vehicle for cheating by the Russian Jews, and for cheating in general. Because when you seal your move, you are basically trusting in the referee’s honesty and integrity. That’s all. Because the referee can, one way or another, find out what your sealed move is—by high-tech methods, whatever.

01:59 So they can find out your move, or they can even find your move when you’re writing it down, maybe from some hidden cameras or whatever. And also, when the Jews seal their move, they can change their move. They write down one move, and then just change it, put in a new scoresheet or whatever later.

02:27 I was just talking to Pál Benkő. He told me—I think he said it was the Skopje ’72 Olympiad. There was a game, Tringov of Bulgaria, who was playing one of the Russians. And when the referee opened the sealed-move envelope, there was no paper in there. “Oh, you forgot to put your scoresheet in there, so I forfeit you.” See? So there’s a whole world of cheating possible with this sealed-move stuff.

03:46 But in any event, it was no longer a fair, man-on-man chess game, which is what I like. So that’s just one more example of Jewish cheating. But I would just bet you the amount of cheating with the sealed move has been enormous.

04:07 Mercado Has it happened to you when you were active, Bobby?

04:10 Fischer Yeah. It may well have. A lot of times I attributed the good play of the Russians when I would seal a move to their great analysis. But now I’m wondering—maybe they knew my sealed move, you know? Or the reverse—maybe the reason they always seemed to play the right sealed move was because there was some hanky-panky.

[Tape flipped to other side; brief station identification.]

05:17 Mercado Continue, Bobby—we just went to the other side of the tape, you know?

05:24 Fischer Did I lose something again?

05:24 Mercado No, nothing. We did not lose anything.

05:29 Fischer Well, you know, this is pretty much ancient history, Eugene—they don’t do it any more. But it’s good to think about it, just to constantly reaffirm just how much cheating there is.

05:43 Torre Anyway, before I give you back to Pablo—I was looking at this article. It’s incredible. That article in the Budapest Sun, August 26–September 1, 1999.

06:12 Fischer This was really vicious. A real vicious, snide attack on me. This Budapest Sun—I found out later—is owned by the Rothschilds, and that is a fact. There’s no question about that. The Budapest Sun is owned by the Rothschilds. The owner of the Budapest Sun is a young hyena, a young bastard by the name of Lord Rothermere. If you check in The Secret World Government, you will find that this family, the Rothermeres, are mentioned in there. He’s definitely a Rothschild. He’s a dirty Jew. He’s the owner of the Budapest Sun.

06:54 But anyway, this is a very nasty remark they made about me, and it was totally unprovoked, you know—an absolute gratuitous insult. Let me just read you this. This is from a movie review, a cinema review in the Budapest Sun, August 26–September 1, 1999. This is how the article starts off—they put it in the most prominent place so everybody will see it. “Chess is a difficult thing to make sexy. Take Bobby Fischer and Nigel Short, for instance.”

07:28 Fischer Now, now—see, nasty. They even put Short in there. Totally.

07:32 Torre They used the book you wrote there as the cover.

07:36 Fischer Yeah, yeah, well, I think that’s the cover. I’m the target, you see, but just not to make it so obvious, you know?

07:45 But it’s totally unprovoked. I saw the movie. I don’t even remember anything in there about chess. But I have to say, I didn’t see the whole movie, because I fell asleep during it. It wasn’t too good a movie. It’s just a totally unprovoked insult. Vicious, you know? One thing about this—if I want to make snide remarks, I’m learning from these people. They’re the best when it comes to this. Oh, they’re good, they’re good.

08:23 Here’s an interview in the Budapest Sun of November 11–17, 1999 with Lord Rothermere. And this Lord Rothermere—his father was named Vere Harmsworth. And he died a year ago. And this guy, he also owns the Daily Mail. So we know who owns the Daily Mail now. But if you will look in The Secret World Government—I’m afraid I don’t have the page in front of me—you will find that Lord Rothermere is a Jew.

09:02 Torre What does that actually mean?

09:04 Fischer It’s based on—it means like “mere Rothschild”. I’ll explain it on one page in here, but I don’t want to take the time to look for it during the interview. But there’s no question that Lord Rothermere is a dirty Jew. So he’s behind…

09:21 Oh, another thing about the Budapest Sun. Every damn week, almost, for the past year—you know what they’ve been advertising every week?

09:30 Torre What ad?

09:31 Fischer They’ve been advertising Bekins Moving and Storage Company, Budapest branch.

09:37 Torre No kidding! The connection!

09:42 Fischer Yeah. So, you know, you gotta do your homework, do your research—but it’s all there. The dirty Jews, the Rothschilds themselves, I believe they’ve got my property. Motherfuckers.

09:58 Torre Anyway, because we are nearing the end of the programme—I think you wanted to talk about your books that were being sold.

10:17 Torre They want to sell a book signed by Jack Collins to you. You mean John Collins?

10:27 Fischer John Collins, yes. My Seven Chess Prodigies. How much do they want for that?

10:38 Torre $3,000.

10:42 Fischer Now you see, now that I’m named the Chess Player of the Twentieth Century, they can up the price, right? Maybe put a couple of zeros on there, right?

11:01 Torre (reading auction listing) This is Bobby Fischer’s own copy, inscribed personally by Collins: “For Bobby, prodigy of prodigies, I hope you enjoy reading this, of which you are a major part. Every good wish for future successes. Jack.”

11:38 Fischer One book that they’re selling, and they’ve got thousands of my books up there—not just chess books, but thousands of my books up there. They have this one book they’re trying to sell as many times what they claim my own as for rent.

12:02 Torre (reading) “Generally considered to be the greatest chess player in the history of the game, Fischer became the first and only American to officially obtain the title of World Chess Champion when he defeated Boris Spassky in a gruelling series of matches held in Reykjavík, Iceland in 1972. As a proxy Cold-War battle between the United States and the Soviet Union, the Fischer–Spassky World Championship bout was the penultimate moment in international chess competition, focusing unprecedented media attention on the game and propelling it to a level of popularity it hasn’t seen since.”

12:32 “A puzzling and vitriolic personality, Fischer was stripped of his title by the World Chess Federation in 1975 when, after complaining bitterly about the paltry amount of prize money…”

12:45 Fischer No, it’s not paltry—I think it was five million.

12:48 Torre (reading) “… he refused to meet Soviet challenger Anatoly Karpov.”

12:51 Fischer You’re talking about the ’72 match.

12:55 Torre No, no, no, no. (re-reading) “… stripped of his title in 1975 when, after complaining bitterly about the prize…”

13:01 Fischer Oh, right, right, okay, yeah.

13:02 Torre (continuing) “… he refused to meet Soviet challenger Anatoly Karpov. Fischer has lived abroad since 1992 under US indictment for violating the commercial embargo against the former Yugoslavia, by playing and winning a five-million-dollar match against Spassky that was staged in war-torn Sarajevo by a Serbian promoter.”

13:20 Torre (reading bibliographic details) “Jacket, neck (spine)—otherwise very good. Pay cash.”

13:24 Fischer (jokingly) Wartburg, Sarajevo… you didn’t work for Sarajevo, remember? You remember that match in Wartburg, Sarajevo, Eugene?

13:31 Torre Oh yeah, I worked for Sarajevo. Don’t you remember—I was drinking in the bar there with Woody Harrelson every night after the game.

13:39 Fischer (laughs) Oh yeah, how come they put Sarajevo? I didn’t notice it.

13:44 Torre He thought he… uh, he meant Sveti Stefan, and of course Belgrade—where he first played Woody.

13:50 Fischer Woody fixed me up with a desperate girl who needed some money. (laughs)

13:55 Torre Anyway, do you want to refer to other books here?

14:02 Fischer Yeah, keep going. Read about those magazines they want to sell too.

14:07 Torre Which one?

14:08 Fischer She talks about they charge $300 for magazines too.

14:12 Torre You mean the Shakhmaty SSR?

14:14 Fischer Yeah, that’s exactly…

14:15 Torre (reading) “Shakhmaty, in USSR. Numerous text-in-Russian chessboard diagrams and photos. 34 pages, Russian chess magazine, published July 1974. Text in Russian, from the library of American Chess God Bobby Fischer. Signed by him as ‘Fischer’—intentional—or ‘the real rock’. A bright and clean copy in white and yellow printed wraps. $250.”

14:38 Fischer Two hundred and fifty? How much do they want? Three hundred, no?

14:42 Torre Two-fifty, only.

14:43 Fischer So only two-fifty. Well, they ought to add a zero or two after this, you know—I’m the best player of the twentieth century, right? Yeah, and here… wait a minute, wait, I want to say something about that magazine.

14:55 My mom sent me… she was living at that time in East Germany.

15:14 I was getting about sixteen magazines a month. And I was hardly even opening them. I didn’t look at them, hardly, because I wasn’t that interested in all of them. And so they got hundreds, if not thousands, of these magazines up there. Just those magazines alone—you figure sixteen a month, in a year that’s close to two hundred. Just those magazines my mom was sending me—many, many hundreds of magazines. And they’re selling them for $300 apiece. And that was before I was named the chess player of the twentieth century.

15:51 And don’t—I don’t guarantee any of these signatures. Buyer beware. You shouldn’t buy this stuff anyway. Tell me who the son of a bitch is who’s selling this stuff, Eugene.

16:08 Torre This is the shop of this Roger Kostecki, the proprietor…

16:09 Fischer I’m sure he’s a fucking Jew.

16:11 Roger Kostecki, you are a dirty Jew, you are a bastard, you are a piece of shit. Announcing a book of singular chess books and periodicals from the library of the epic and now exiled World Champion, Bobby Fischer.

16:27 Torre And…

16:27 Fischer These people, Gene—when it comes to selling, they’re willing to talk about World Champion. They made a billion. That’s right. So I signed—they got… this is what they’re going to be promoting, all my stuff. Look, they may be coming out with a new edition of My 60 Memorable Games. Remember, I get nothing for that either. They sold an ad that sold it, “Bobby Fischer, 60 Memorable Games,” and they’ll put it right on the front cover, the back cover. “Best chess player of the 20th century” right. Not to help me, not out of respect, but to make more money from all the stuff they’ve stolen from me.

17:01 Torre Yeah, yeah. Because there were many instances also, they were not pretending to even touch you. It makes up these things to make you think, you know.

17:13 Fischer Here’s another one.

17:14 Torre Here’s another one, the last one. That’s the How to Beat Bobby Fischer, edited and with an introduction by Robert Byrne. Humorous takes, sport diagrams. And then, first edition, Fischer’s own copy, signed to him by the author: “To Robert, I hope you take the title in good humour, with respect and friendship. Edmar.” And it costs $2,500.

17:36 Fischer $2,500. There you go.

17:40 And they’ve got thousands of my books up there, and just the books alone they intend to… just on the books. Got more on my letters, my handwritten notebooks, letters from my mother, and just all my fan mail, all my correspondence.

18:00 Torre It’s unfathomable. Unfathomable.

18:04 Fischer I just want to say something, Eugene, about this fucker, this English fucker, Lord Rothermere, who owns the Budapest Sun, which impugns my masculinity. Here—you go to page 130 of The Secret World Government, and I found it right here. Let me just read you this paragraph. Take about thirty seconds.

18:25 “The three daughters of Nathan Rothschild II were: a) Charlotte, born in 1807, who married her cousin Anselm Solomon, son of Solomon, the second son of Amschel Rothschild I; b) the beautiful Caroline Stern. The Sterns of Frankfurt were the ancestors of the Harmsworths in England, one of whom became camouflaged as Lord Northcliffe and another as Lord Rothermere. Both chose their names—North and Roth—as much similar to Rothschild as possible: Rothermere, or ‘mere Rothschild.’ ”

18:58 And this book is written in 1926.

19:00 So this guy—this filthy Lord Rothermere, this 31-year-old punk—he looks, I think, Eugene—you showed him this picture—a little gay, you know.

19:14 Torre But anyway, I think he’s the one who has sexual problems, huh? (laughs)

19:18 Fischer (laughs) You piece of shit. You’re a piece of shit, Lord Rothermere. You may have billions—you may have trillions—it doesn’t mean a goddamn thing to me. Fuck you. You’re a gangster, Lord Rothermere. It’s your tribe, your family, who stole my stuff. They’re going to come beat you, you motherfucker.

19:41 Torre Anyway, Bobby, we are almost… it’s time now, and I’d just like to make sure—this is for the ending note. I was watching TV, and I saw this Mr. Morrison, he’s a preacher, you know? He had much information. But what struck me was that he said, “When one is angry, focus on who did it, and not on the man who is angry.” Something like that. So what’s happening now is they are focusing on your anger and not on the people who did this to you, you know—what was the reason why you’re angry.

20:32 Fischer Hitler said about the Jews, in Mein Kampf on page 181: “For this great master of lies knows how to appear in the guise of the innocent and throw the guilt on others.” That’s the Jews he’s talking about.

20:49 Torre Anyway, bye, Bobby. I give you the programme.

20:54 Unfortunately, we just ran out of time, Bobby, and we’ll have another chat probably in the next few weeks, if you’ll be up late.

21:03 Fischer Great, great.

21:05 I don’t want to let this robbery die. That’s why these dirty Jews—they’re hoping I’m going to run out of gas. And the public has a short memory and there’s so many things happening in the world. I’m not like the Jews, who can keep publicising this fictitious Holocaust forever and keep it in the public eye. I can’t do that. They figure this great Bekins robbery, this mega-robbery of my stuff, will die down and then it’s business as usual. The Jews, they—it ain’t never gonna be business as usual with me again.

21:44 Mercado Don’t worry. We Filipinos still believe in you, and we’ll be there. Thank you for the interview, Bobby.

21:52 Fischer Thank you very much, Pablo. I appreciate you. You’re a great man. Not just you—the Filipinos, you’re a great people.

22:03 Mercado Thank you very much, Bobby. And good night, and good afternoon.

22:07 Fischer Okay. Bye. Bye.

[Mercado signs off.]

11 Baguio, Philippines, August 9, 2000 ↑

[Fischer’s own two-page transcript of this interview, reproduced from his website:]

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[Pablo Mercado hosts on Bombo Radio, Baguio. GM Eugene Torre is in the studio. Bobby Fischer calls from Tokyo, Japan—he has relocated from Budapest. The audio quality throughout this interview is very poor, and the transcript is approximate in many places.]

00:04 Torre Sir, you are in Japan right now?

00:08 Fischer Yeah.

00:10 Torre Oh, in Tokyo, Japan. So since when have you been in Tokyo, by the way?

00:15 Fischer I think January 28th this year.

00:19 Torre Oh, quite a long time.

00:23 Mercado Since then—I remember the last time we talked over the programme, I think that was early this year. How have you been? Have there been some, let’s say, interviews with other media outlets so far?

00:39 Fischer No, no, not a thing. Absolutely not a thing. We’ll get into that. First of all, did Eugene tell you about how I was arrested on a trumped-up charge in Tokyo?

00:50 Mercado Yes, he did mention that to me, but there was not much detail. I would like to get the details from you. What happened?

01:00 Fischer Well, when I was in Hungary, I went to Zürich to catch a flight to Tokyo. They have these, what they call, “Hanf-Häuser” in Germany—that means hemp houses. And I go there all the time in different countries. Not because I smoke marijuana or anything—but they have very good products there. They’ve got soap and upholstery and shoe polish and all kinds of stuff made from hemp. And I realised that hemp was a very good plant—very good for the environment, because you can even make paper from it.

01:56 I’ve been going there a lot. And I bought some products made from hemp—some soaps, you know. I’ve never smoked or taken any kind of drugs. I haven’t even had an aspirin for about 35 years. I don’t drink coffee, Pepsi, Sprite, anything. But anyway, I brought over the products, and I never had any trouble travelling around Europe.

02:54 I got arrested because they said the stuff I had—these tiny little bags of hemp products—were illegal. They said it was 20-something grams or something. And it was totally absurd. It was just soap. You couldn’t even get high on it if you wanted to. I believe the CIA was shadowing me in Zürich. They were working with the authorities. And they were just looking for any bullshit excuse to tarnish my reputation and get me arrested.

[Audio quality is extremely poor throughout this section. Fischer describes being held for 18 days in a Japanese jail.]

04:06 Fischer I was held for eighteen days. Eighteen days! I was in a lot of holding areas. Normally, after eighteen days—it’s not an advantage to be locked up. Japan is a very disciplined country and all that, but it’s a jail. Things happen in there. People commit suicide in there. And in my opinion, some of those suicides are murders, right? They interrogate you too hard, or whatever.

[Audio very poor from 04:30 to 06:00. Reconstruction below is conjectural.]

04:39 It was a very, very unpleasant operation. I was on the plane. For some reason I had someone watching me, turning my head around. There’s no question—when I first went to Hawaii it was a very unusual procedure.

05:07 And this guy was part of the CIA, coordinating the arrest in the region.

05:20 No case was filed against me. They had a lot of time to decide whether to file charges. They keep postponing their decision. In the meantime you’re all locked up. And incommunicado—for one week I couldn’t talk to anybody, for one whole week.

05:45 Torre That’s terrible. You know, that case reminds me of when [the team they kept] in the American Embassy in Mogadishu—Rudy Aronson? You know him, of course.

05:57 Fischer I’ve been reading that story.

06:01 I don’t really know if I mentioned that in my last… it was just a joke. I was referring to the movie he made—Sarajevo. He was always drinking in the bar. I only made a joke about that because this creep, Roger Kostecki, said I played my last title match in Sarajevo. So I was just doing a spoof on that.

06:25 But there was an article that appeared on March 25th—in the Japan Times—about Kentucky trying to legalise hemp now, because it was Kentucky’s number-one cash crop fifty years ago. It says: “Hemp used to make ten thousand a row—it contains only minute amounts of THC, the drug that makes marijuana cultivars” focus on you. See?

07:00 So it’s getting crazy here. Marijuana is a relative of hemp—it’s not marijuana. So you don’t get high on hemp. It’s just like, you know, you can’t get drunk on alcohol-free beer.

07:18 Alcohol-free beer, by the way, Pablo, contains alcohol. It contains traces of alcohol—it’s just that the fermentation process occurs naturally. But you can’t get high on alcohol-free beer. You can’t get drunk on alcohol-free beer. So I don’t understand what the whole damn charges are, what the whole damn arrest was about, man. The only thing I can think of is that I have been targeted by the CIA. (laughs) You know, this pothead, Paul McCartney—he got arrested, he was released in twelve hours. He went to jail for twelve hours. But me—eighteen days! (laughs) You know, like, ordinary as well as criminal.

08:00 Torre That’s hard to digest, really. I understand.

08:07 Fischer Well, I’m not exactly with the Japanese here, but I know that the Americans were behind it—the Japanese… you know, the country is occupied by the US. The US military is here. They haven’t had the ability or the guts or whatever to kick the US out, the way Germany did. They let them reconquer it. They did it to the Ottoman Empire. (laughs) They won’t let the people leave.

08:32 The problem is, Pablo—they’ve been 55 years now occupied by the US, and it’s almost become second nature to the Japanese, you know. And obviously the US was behind it—it’s US government, and it’s very easy to get over with.

09:00 I also almost caught a problem just when they released me, because they were demanding I give them my fingerprints on this—this computer, you know. I said, “No.” I got fingerprinted back in the US when I was arrested on some bank robbery charge back in about ’81. And I decided I was never going to give fingerprints again without a fight.

09:22 Mercado So you did not give them your fingerprints? Never?

09:23 Fischer They got three big strong persons—they would have been offended, you know. So I said, “Go to hell.”

09:33 Mercado Yeah, yeah, yeah.

09:34 Fischer I refused to give them my hands for this computerised digital fingerprinting—this high-tech computer they had there. They were threatening me, they sweet-talked me and they threatened me and they hovered over me. And then my lawyer, you know, had to step in.

09:51 Mercado He really had to do that? (laughs)

09:54 Fischer Yeah. Well, so that was it. The US was behind it—the CIA, the FBI, come on.

10:03 Mercado So you think the CIA still would be there in Japan?

10:06 Fischer Oh, yeah. I know the CIA, the FBI, the NSA and all the security agencies—the CIA follows us, huge. But as huge as it is, it’s only 15% of the total intelligence network in America. It’s just a small part of even the agency. I don’t know what it was, the CIA or the FBI doing in the US.

10:37 Mercado All right, for the past similar facts, have you had the chance to be interviewed by the head of any of these services as well?

10:50 Fischer No, not to this day. No.

10:52 I was listening to Armed Forces Radio, and I was listening to NPR, the National Public Radio. The state comes over here to our armed forces radio stations around 10:00 PM, you know. And I was surprised—I’m listening to the interview with the president of Iceland. And then he started to talk about me for a couple of minutes, you know. He said, “I watched you having an interview there, and how amazing it was, and how popular I was, and how he personally followed the match,” and so on.

11:26 I thought, “Man, today’s a good day. This is a good chance. I’ll give the president of Iceland one of my mornings on the radio.” How could he say no? He has to say all those nice things about me on the radio, right?

11:40 So I got the international information, and they gave me the president’s number. I called up, I got the secretary. By the way, he put me through to the president.

11:52 Mercado Really? Good.

11:52 Fischer And so when he heard what I was gonna say—about Jews and the robbery of my stuff at Bekins and the Holocaust and so on—he said, “Guys, this is where it comes into democracy. You know, we got people and I can’t dictate, I can’t tell them the radio and what to do.” I don’t know what the hell with you wish. But I kept telling him to call my friend—I knew he wouldn’t, but there was no way for me to call him. I gave him Eugene’s fax number, so that they had a means of contact—Eugene. And Eugene told me nothing.

12:35 He said, “I played a match there for two months. It was a world sensation. Everybody still remembers it”—but then they don’t want to talk. Everybody’s fucking scared when I ask them things.

13:00 I want, I want, I want us to have this tape recorder and put this on. Now, I think this will make it just a little clearer. I’m going to play about five, six minutes of excerpts from our earlier programmes, okay? And we’ll hear this for about five, six minutes. The point is this is going to lead into an incredible and sensational article that was published here in Japan on June 22nd. As you listen to these excerpts, I want you to sort of focus in on what I’m driving at: number one, that the US government and President Bill Clinton personally authorised the robbing of my worldwide cash, valuables and other belongings that were kept in storage.

13:58 Number two, that Bekins is owned by the Rothschilds. And number three, that “Rothermere” is a name that the Rothschilds use to camouflage themselves.

14:09 Now let’s—tell me about the volume and whatever, so we can get it right. Okay?

[14:15–19:30 Tape excerpts of Fischer’s earlier Bombo Radio interviews are played. The volume cues continue intermittently. Machine transcripts loop badly through this stretch.]

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[Continuation. Fischer discusses Clinton, the Budapest Sun, anthrax vaccines, and the Forbes article on intangible assets. Audio remains very poor throughout.]

01:28 Fischer Okay. I have an article here in front of me. Published in the Daily Yomiuri—I think June 25, 2000—and they picked it up from the Independent newspaper, that’s the British newspaper, which I’m quite sure is owned by the Rothschilds also. And the name of the article is “Bill Clinton in a Village Near Oxford: Is This an Inappropriate Relationship?” I’ll just read the first column.

02:03 “Wanted: quiet Oxfordshire mansion for retiring head of global superpower considering return to dreaming spires of youth. Bomb-proof windows and granny flat for Secret Service required, essential. President Bill Clinton, whose tenure at the White House ends in six months, is said to be searching for a British pied-à-terre as a European base for a post-political career on the lecture circuit. At the top of his shopping list are thought to be Chocolate Box villages around Oxford, where Mr. Clinton famously didn’t inhale while a Rhodes Scholar in the ’60s.

02:41 “The president has been linked with England, his alma mater, recently, by suggestions that Oxford could appoint him as a visiting professor when it reopens its Rothermere Institute for American Studies next year. The university, which has made no secret of its interest in high-profile lecturers, was quick to neither confirm nor deny whether William Jefferson Clinton will be added to its payroll.”

02:57 So who do you think President Clinton is going to work for, or rather, continue to work for, after he retires from being US President?

03:21 The Rothschilds—it’s the Rothermere Institute.

03:26 Torre Yeah?

03:26 Fischer And what was I talking about, especially in that very last interview? I was talking about how the Rothschilds have done me in, in tandem with Bekins. And I was also saying in an earlier interview, Clinton himself, the US government authorised the robbery. And so I was creating a problem there between Clinton and the Rothschilds. And the Rothschilds—“Rothermere” is, as I’ve said, an alias the Rothschilds use, a camouflage.

03:58 Now, I had absolutely no knowledge of this. Nobody had any knowledge of this, and this is still a rumour—and nobody has even confirmed it. There’s no way I have private licence to the White House. There’s no way I’d know that Clinton was going to be a professor at this Rothermere Institute for American Studies in Oxford. How could I possibly, amongst all those great institutes, have made these statements, and now it turns out that they end up with the Rothschilds?

04:39 You know, if I were a detective working on some kind of robbery case, a murder case, and I had this information, I would just put a stamp on the file: “solved.” This great Bekins mega-robbery has all been solved. But the case is not closed, because the perpetrators are still at large, and they will stay at large. Nothing will happen to them as long as the dirty Jews control the United States—a Zionist dictatorship here.

05:12 You know, you heard about Lieberman, his running mate’s content, too, right?

05:19 Torre Are those the Iranian-made bombs? Isn’t it the FBI?

05:24 Fischer No, no—that’s Ukraine.

05:31 Torre What’s his name?

05:31 Fischer His name is Lieberman.

05:33 Torre Lieberman?

05:34 Fischer Yeah—it’s a good name for a Jew, no? It’s an indigenous name for the Jews. (laughs)

05:44 So now with that article, it’s all the more proof that what I’ve been saying is true. You went up there…

05:53 Torre Yeah, he bought the whole post. That’s what you’ve been saying, all this about the…

05:57 Fischer Right. It’s all part—you know. My belongings, my cash valuables, my belongings have been taken—government-authorised expropriation under cover of the Jews. So they’re the ones behind it.

06:11 Fischer The US-government-authorised expropriation of my stuff, under cover of Bekins. Just a vast fortune. And, you know, they’re throwing sand in people’s eyes with this Dryer and Feil auction and this Roger Kostecki bookstore. What they’re selling, what they’ve published, is just a tiny fraction of what they stole from me. We know nothing about the Bekins auction. That’s never been publicised. No one knows who Bekins sold it to, how much they sold it for, when they sold it. Bekins refuses to reply to me. Everything’s hush-hush.

06:54 But what about all the transparency and accountability and openness and democracy that the Jew-controlled US press is preaching about night and day? When it comes to me, it’s all out the window, right? Yes. Fuck the United States. Fuck the Jews. They’re gonna get what’s coming to them soon.

07:14 Fischer Okay, hold on. He says he’ll be right down.

07:18 Torre He wants to ask some questions later. Yeah. Hey, buddy, this is Eugene. And, you know, I thought this case was wide open, huh?

07:29 Fischer Yeah. You know, it reminds me of your game in chess, you know. It’s like you’ve discovered a deep connection, a deep combination.

07:50 Torre Well, you know, especially when I play—maybe it’s the same with you—when I play a game of chess, I play a good move, and my opponent counters with a good move, and it goes on and on, and it seems I’m getting nowhere.

08:08 Fischer Then suddenly, my opponent buckles. You know? It’s happened in chess, and I see it’s happened with these fucking Rothschilds and Bekins. They were brilliant, you know, so intelligent—and they buckled. They blew it. How could they blow it? How could they be so stupid? I’ll tell you why. You know why they blew it? They’re distracted with other things—especially with the imminency of a biological attack on the US. Evidently they’re petrified, because all the work they’ve done for thousands of years to set up their Jewish world government, their Jewish world dictatorship, they see that it’s coming to an end. And they’re out there with this, and they don’t know what to do.

09:00 Well, they’re not really concentrating on me as much as they should. That’s what I believe. They just made unbelievable blunders. It all started with advertising Bekins in the Budapest Sun, then Lord Rothermere gave the interview to the Budapest Sun, and now this article about Clinton’s gonna be working for the Rothermeres when he retires from the presidency, you know. Just like blunder after blunder. I keep the pressure up through these interviews. And they’ve had some blowback.

09:31 Torre And they’re scared about this biological attack.

09:34 Fischer There’s no question—you know, the US military is forcing everybody in the military to take anthrax vaccines.

09:45 Torre Well, to protect against the anthrax attack.

09:48 Fischer Oh, but it’s disgusting. I mean, the point is, this anthrax vaccination is very, very dangerous. A lot of servicemen refuse to take it because it’s said to cause cancer and impotence.

[The compulsory vaccination Fischer describes was the US military’s Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program, begun in 1998. Refusals were indeed widespread—the Government Accountability Office documented many service members transferring, leaving, or facing discipline rather than be vaccinated—but the claim that the vaccine causes cancer or impotence was never substantiated: https://www.gao.gov/products/nsiad-00-36.]

10:07 Now they have a photograph of our new Jewish Secretary of State, William Cohen, getting his injection of anthrax. But I don’t believe he really got the injection though—I think it’s just a fake photo, you know. He’s not really getting the anthrax vaccine, I’m sure, because he’s married to a very attractive negress, you know. He likes his nookie. He’s not gonna want to risk his life.

10:33 By the way, the one you mailed me—this one, it looks so beautiful—where Clinton is running for his life. Oh, and one more thing about the magazine. It really shows that the Filipinos have their heads screwed on right—because I read an article, last year or early this year, in People magazine, and there was a case of an American soldier who refused to take the vaccine. And his father disowned him, because his father was a professional military man, and now he got a dishonourable discharge or whatever. He can never be a policeman, which he had wanted to be, after his service and so on. But he did the right thing. Why should he risk cancer and impotence? You know, it’s ridiculous, no?

11:26 And I’ve even heard on the Armed Forces Radio here in Tokyo, they’re trying to dispel these rumours to the soldiers, saying there’s no proof that it causes these diseases, that it causes cancer or impotence. No proof. That’s not good enough. So, you know, this young fellow who refused to take the anthrax vaccination—his father is an American, a white guy, and his mother is a Filipino. So it’s a compliment to the Filipinos. You’ve got your heads screwed on right. I congratulate that young guy. He didn’t accept all the US government’s promises—and you know, ten years later, when he’s sick and dying from cancer, then it’s too late.

12:28 Torre Which reminds me, Bobby—many of the children of our fellow Filipinos, they have suffered some diseases and sicknesses, and even some died, you know, before, where the US Subic naval base used to be.

12:54 Fischer Yeah. Let me just turn the volume back up on here, okay.

13:00 Torre And some groups were charging the United States, you know, as responsible for this—radioactivity, toxic-waste contamination, you know. They want the US to pay. If the US doesn’t want to pay, they should close down the US Embassy, no? Yeah. I think that’s the reason they went last, maybe. They didn’t spend so little time with the Filipinos. So they said, “Okay, we’ll leave, we won’t say why. We’ll leave, and we’ll come back in a few minutes at some new place, and pretend nothing happened.”

13:41 Torre Okay. See, we’re running—you know, we don’t have so much time. So if you still want to…

13:48 Fischer I’ll talk through this article a little more. There are a couple of interesting things in here. First of all, there’s a lot of symbolism in this article. First of all, the only picture of Clinton—he looks like a good old country boy, a good old Southern boy, you know. They use his features—they make him look not quite Jewish. It’s all just grooming. They make him have that Jewish look. Maybe it’s because it’s very much alike but different, right? They’re not the same. Sometimes it takes time, you know what I mean? That’s one point.

14:33 There was one point—this is one of the interesting things I saw. A picture of a girl, a woman, talking to somebody in a car. Right, right, right. And the car had a plate number on it. Yeah, the plate number. And that’s really interesting, because… well, you read the article a little more here. It says: “Insiders believe Mrs. Clinton’s new political career and her former estrangement from her husband following his affair with Monica Lewinsky mean they will pursue separate lives. Mrs. Clinton has often spoken of the fond memories of her time in Princeton, and last year held a reception for newly selected Rhodes Scholars. She has formed a close, cordial relationship with Tony Blair.”

15:27 And I was surprised that this—a woman—was talking to somebody in the car, you know? We’re told everybody, it’s gotta be Clinton, right? I didn’t know he’d, like, stand and move over, you know. Maybe that’s his pants there. (laughs)

15:47 But it’s funny, you know—the name of the author of this article is Cahal Milmo. (spells the name) It sounds strange, you know, what a strange name. I’m not sure, I cannot figure out which country. It sounds like a name you might read in a science fiction book from somebody from another planet. But Cahal—spelled with a C—is the governing body of the Jew. Kahal, spelled with a K, is the governing body of the Jews.

16:24 I went to the main library in Tokyo and I looked up the word “Cahal” in an ordinary dictionary. Not in a small dictionary—only in the very biggest dictionaries do they carry the word Cahal. The definition of Cahal in the Oxford English Dictionary, this is the big one—let me read it. The definition is: “Cahal, Hebrew Kahal, assembly, community. One of the former local Jewish communities in Europe; also, the governing body of such a community. The governing body of the Jews.”

17:14 So I think it’s a little telegraphing—the Jew is, like, tipping his hand to the Jews, you know, that Christian Jews and non-Jewish, you know. And then, and then the last thing—“Milmo,” that’s also very interesting. What does Milmo rhyme with? What five-letter word does Milmo rhyme with? Let me give you a hint, in the short time. Well, let’s take Yugo—like the past 15 years that I’ve been through—when they want to play the man’s role, you know? (laughs) A dildo, you see? They play, play, always like dirty-style, you see? (laughs) And if you change the C to a K, you’ve got the governing body of the Jews. And Milmo rhymes with dildo, you know, which is like in the dirty-style English defence.

18:09 Torre Well, anyway, it’s easier for me to comprehend the connection between Rothschild and Rothermere in English. But you mentioned earlier the First Lady, and now I recall—you sent me this article. Everybody’s saying the same thing about the Jews.

18:46 Fischer Yeah. According to The Economist of July 22, 2000, Hillary called somebody a fucking Jew bastard.

19:05 Torre So you’re not alone, Bobby. It’s no big deal.

19:11 Fischer I’m in good company.

19:17 Torre By the way, Bobby—because, you know, I think we still have plenty of things to cover. I remember you mentioned this in the chess cafe.

19:30 Fischer Oh, yeah. Every time somebody makes a statement like that, the Jews always demand a public apology, no? They demand an apology. They demand they be repented. And everybody always apologises so profusely, right? (laughs) And I’ve said about the Jews—not one Jew has contacted me from any organisation, from anywhere, demanding that I apologise. Why not? Because I think they’re guilty.

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[Continuation. Fischer discusses various topics including circumcision, Africa, the Forbes article on brands and trademarks, the Reshevsky game, and Ellsworth returning the Nixon letter. Audio remains very poor.]

06:36 Torre By the way, you mentioned to me that you want to give your opinions about other things, other than about the robbery and other than chess. Like, what do you think of George Speight, you know, the Fiji rebel leader?

06:53 Fischer Oh, yes, I think he’s a great man. The United States needs somebody like him. And I think Mr. George Speight should just, you know, go into the White House with bands of rebels and just grab Clinton and all those goddamn Jews around in his cabinet, put guns to their heads and tell them, “You’re not running this country anymore,” you know.

07:21 Torre So what they’re doing to Fiji, it’s not right, you know?

07:27 Fischer Oh, yeah, this country belongs to the Fijian people. And it’s perfectly okay for the Indians to live there, and perfectly okay for them to prosper. But it’s now when they want to take over the government too, then they’re going too far. They want to take everything from these simple island folks. They cannot compete with the very sophisticated Indian citizen, you know.

07:50 Torre How about, you know, putting their arms down—now they… he got control, and they can’t even harm him. And then they just broke their word. Now they’ve arrested him, beaten him up, and they’re going to charge him with treason apparently.

08:06 Fischer Yeah, so they’re just… the CIA is obviously behind that, who made a very strong statement on the VOA against George Speight. And the guy who did the VOA interview was saying to Speight: “What about democracy? You’re destroying democracy.” He said the prime… Speight had the Indian prime minister as their hostage, you know, in the parliament. “You’re destroying democracy.” So Speight says, “Hypocrisy. Don’t tell me about democracy.” He said that the US democracy is built on the genocide of the American red man.

08:45 Torre Okay, because, you know, short time. By the way, you mentioned this new song by Bon Jovi…

08:52 Fischer Well, I still support George Speight. I want the Russians, or China, to be there to say that this is a CIA plot. They want to kill Speight, or put him in jail the rest of his life.

09:04 Torre Yeah, something has to be done to get him free.

09:07 Fischer Oh, yeah. And his followers too.

09:09 Torre Right. You mentioned this new song by Bon Jovi—can you, you know…

09:14 Fischer Yeah, I liked that new song.

09:18 Torre Is it “It’s My Life”?

09:21 Fischer “It’s My Life,” yeah. He goes: “It’s my life. It’s now or never. ’Cause I ain’t gonna live forever. I just want to live while I’m alive. It’s my life.” Bo-do-do-do, doh. Good song.

09:36 Torre (laughs) Yeah, it’s a good song.

09:39 Okay, by the way—the Bigans, Anthony—you mentioned that other than what you have mentioned, the Bigans also love a lot of presents. You always bring them presents.

09:51 Fischer Well, through the years I’ve gotten, you know, tons and tons of unsolicited gifts—all that has been robbed. Just for one gift, I’ve gotten videos and paintings and everything. I remember Cuba about ten, twelve years ago, it was the anniversary of Capablanca’s birth—it was the 100th anniversary of his birth, about ten or twelve years ago. And the Cuban Chess Federation, or the government, whatever, sent me about fifty or more beautiful colour stamps of Capablanca.

10:42 Torre That’s wonderful, eh? A friend of mine saw your picture from the 1992 World Championship in Yugoslavia. And he saw you were wearing a visor, and he asked me, “Why was Bobby wearing a visor?”

11:00 Fischer Yeah. So I think this is an important innovation. Because when you play chess, your opponent can look into your eyes. Let’s say it’s his move, and you’re afraid because of a certain move—you might be staring at that move, eyeing it. He can see through your eyes. Not only that, ultimately you may try to not look at the move—and that’ll also make it suspicious, you’re looking away. So nothing can get lost from your eye. And especially when it’s his move—and also, he can get information when it’s yours too. He knows in advance what you’re thinking, so he can start eyeing it and save time before you play it.

11:46 So I think this is a good innovation, the visor.

11:50 Torre So you think he should perhaps buy this visor?

11:54 Fischer Yeah, yeah. Well, next time I play Fischer Random I’m going to wear it again, yeah.

11:57 Torre Oh, I should buy a new visor for myself tomorrow. Wearing it at a higher level. You remember Spassky was starting to wear a visor too.

12:05 Fischer Yeah, yeah, Spassky was using…

12:10 Torre How about, have you heard—you know, I think there is a scheduled spot of crowning of both teams—I don’t know when, but they’re supposed to play a match. But I notice these people don’t wear visors, huh?

12:24 Fischer Well, they don’t need visors when they play each other, because both—that match is going to be prearranged, you know.

12:38 Fischer You know, because America is a land of circumcision. I don’t know what the percentages are now, but it’s well over 90% of the males that are being circumcised. It’s even here in the Philippines. Well, it’s just the US, Jewish-controlled. It’s like here in Japan—you pick up any magazine, and they will have page after page of advertisements for circumcision clinics. The Jews are behind it.

[Fischer comments on Africa.]

12:38 Fischer You know, because America is a land of circumcision… (continued) The Jews will be on it. And there’s a whole agency here to get you circumcised. This is actual fact—I had somebody translate this for me. They’re even selling a kit so that you can circumcise yourself at home.

13:50 Torre Oh… I think there’s a good chance you’re peeing and pooping on it too.

13:57 Fischer I mean, they’re—one closes the whole thing, you know. Also, it can hurt, it can affect your nerves.

14:05 Torre So you completely disagree with this circumcision?

14:08 Fischer No, absolutely. I understand—why in the first place is it there? And then remove it? The Jews, they know better than God or nature, right? Criminal. Absolutely criminal. But it’s a major part of Judaism, and they will never give it up. They’re a criminal people.

14:31 Torre Anyway, we’re running short. You want to comment on the situation in Africa?

14:37 Fischer Oh yes. I was just listening to Bill O’Reilly the other day. An African called on him and said, “You know, it seems to me that the United States is not doing enough for Africa. We have wars, and AIDS, and disease, famine, and all of this. And Africa is just going down the drain. I don’t understand anything.”

15:01 I think I understand it. I believe that the Jews want to depopulate Africa, the world of Jews, and fill it up with Jews. I really believe that. That is the plan. If you remember, Eugene, this—Theodor Herzl, the father of modern Zionism, was talking about Uganda as a home for Jews, last century. There’s Jews around there. The Jews have had their eyes on Africa the whole time.

15:30 And there’s a lot of Jews in this world, far, far, far more than they’re letting on. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a couple of hundreds of millions of Jews in this world. So they are sending Jews to repopulate Africa with their own kind. After everybody there is… all the black people are dead.

15:49 Look at Africa, Eugene. Half of it is full of gold, and diamonds, and precious stones, and platinum, and chrome. All that stuff that drives the Jews wild with greed. So they want Africa, and I believe that’s the plan. The depopulation—that’s what this whole thing is all about. They want to depopulate Africa and repopulate it with Jews. This is not a one-year plan. They’ve got a whole decade.

16:15 Torre You mentioned to me also this Larry Evans—that he wrote that Bobby Fischer betrayed American chess?

16:27 Fischer Yeah, this Evans is a vicious rat. The Jews are saying that he goes through My 60 Memorable Games—but I noticed that the Jews also think Fischer got the games all wrong. The game number 17 with Cardoso—they said Evans got the games all wrong with Cardoso. “Fischer got it wrong.” See? It’s on the table against Fischer.

17:15 This guy Evans—I have so much dirt on him. He prearranged. He threw his game to Sammy Reshevsky in the Dallas ’57 semifinal. He overheard Evans and Reshevsky in the room—they were prearranging the game, the day before the game. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he threw his best game in that tournament. Reshevsky lost that also—it was a double round-robin. By throwing that game in the semi-final round, Reshevsky managed to catch up. So you study that game—obviously a prearranged game. A very poor prearranged game.

18:00 And the guy—Evans is a pothead, you know that? He’s a pothead. He smokes marijuana, and he smokes cocaine. His friend, Ronnie Gross, introduced him, I think—because Ronnie Gross is like an evangelist for pot. He’s introduced a lot of German players to pot. Evans pretends to be independent, but he will write exactly what the Jewish world government tells him to write. He is a Jew. He is a circumcised Jew. I saw what was left of his penis. And a while ago he’s had a second operation on his penis—he’s had a vasectomy. He can’t have any kids. The goddamn Jews—absolute liars and shits.

18:54 Torre You have any guess of the population of Jews? By talking about this—you have any guess?

18:59 Fischer Well, at this time, it could be as high as 200 million.

19:08 Torre Really?

19:10 Fischer At least 100 million, maybe 200 million or more. Because there’s Jews all over the world. They claim, like, 15 million or whatever. I have this article right here—they’re just trying to put people to sleep so they won’t be fighting, you see.

19:32 Torre You sent me also this article about the “name game”—about the value of names and the value of trademarks?

19:36 Fischer Yeah, this is from Forbes magazine. I think this is a noteworthy article, because it’s exactly what the Jews know they’re doing with me.

19:52 It says here—this is Forbes, July 24, 2000—“It’s not surprising that this trend has accelerated in recent years. Where tangible assets like plants and equipment drove a company’s value during much of the past century, intangible assets such as brands, patents and trademarks are what create value today.” And what they’re doing is exactly that—they have robbed my copyrights for My 60 Memorable Games. They don’t pay me anything for that any more. They have trademarks by name. Learning International, which is a Time Inc. corporation, has my name as their trademark—Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess is a trademark of Learning International. Can you imagine that? My name is their trademark. And they’ve also stolen my clock—my chess clock. Everything. Plus they’ve stolen my tangible assets too. So they’ve got the whole board erased, see? They don’t even let me know what they’re doing when they violate my rights—when they come out with the Batsford forged edition of My 60 Memorable Games, or when they come out with this movie that uses my name, Searching for Bobby Fischer, which is using my name to sell the movie.

21:13 If you try this on the Jews or these big companies, they will track you down and you won’t forget it. They’ll put you in jail, or they’ll say, “That’s good enough,” and you go down.

21:30 Torre Okay, Bobby, we are ending soon. Regarding this Ellsworth—he tried to be nice with you and return a few of your things. But you were mentioning that you were quite surprised that he returned to you this Nixon letter, no? But actually, in the items that he bought at the auction, he didn’t find the Nixon letter. So how come he was able to return it to you?

21:50 Fischer Right. Obviously, he didn’t come by it through the auction. He’s obviously an insider. He’s an agent. This is all planned. This is a very obvious conspiracy. Everybody knows this. Some people are afraid to support me publicly. They’re afraid of the Jews.

22:30 Mercado I remember when I was in Las Vegas last year, somebody approached me and said that he saw some of your belongings that were supposed to be auctioned, and he saw the will—the will of your mother. Was it the will of your mother?

22:40 Fischer The will. Yeah.

22:42 Mercado My goodness—and even that was up for auction?

22:45 Fischer Yeah, even that. You see, these people are vampires. And this is not just something as a collector’s item. They intend to use this will as a lever to steal my estate when I’m gone. Or whenever they have a chance in my lifetime. They’re absolute usurpers, absolute parasites. Disgusting, filthy creatures. And Benjamin Franklin called them vampires. Benjamin Franklin was one of the bloody founders of the United States.

[The wills of Fischer’s mother, Regina Fischer, and his sister, Joan Targ—which Fischer posted on his website—are reproduced in Appendix A.]

23:10 Mercado Oh my goodness, really?

23:12 Fischer Yeah. He said they are vampires. He said that vampires cannot live among civilised people. He said vampires cannot live among the rest of us, the non-Jews. They are not human.

24:28 Torre Anyway, it seems that they have practically robbed you of everything. But anyway, Bobby, your principles and your self-respect are still very much intact. And that is what is more important, Bobby.

24:43 Torre So anyway, Bobby, I give you to Pablo now.

24:48 Mercado Yeah, Bobby, unfortunately, we’ve just run out of time. And I don’t know when we can get together again.

24:55 Fischer I intend to come to the Philippines.

24:58 Mercado Really? Very, very soon?

25:00 Fischer Okay. I may be seeing you as soon as next month.

25:04 Mercado I look forward to that, Bobby.

25:06 Fischer Yeah. I’d like to go into the studio there. Another interview there.

25:12 Mercado Alright. That’s all for tonight, then. And thank you very much.

25:15 Fischer No problem. Yes. Alright.

25:21 Mercado Well, tonight is Wednesday. It’s the 9th of August, year 2000.

25:29 Fischer Okay. Alright. Thank you very much. Goodnight.

25:33 Mercado Goodnight. Bye. Bye.

[Mercado signs off in Tagalog.]

12 Baguio, Philippines, August 22, 2000 ↑

[This is Fischer’s first in-studio interview at Bombo Radio Baguio. He is physically present in the studio with Pablo Mercado and GM Eugene Torre. This is two weeks after the phone interview in Chapter 11 (August 9), and two weeks before the Dagupan in-studio interview in Chapter 13 (September 8). Fischer has now been in the Philippines for several weeks.]

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[Bombo Radio jingle and Tagalog station identification. The programme begins around the 3-minute mark.]

03:17 Mercado It’s the 22nd of August. As we have mentioned earlier, we have with us a very important guest for our programme tonight. We’ve been very nice to him in the past several months—in fact, it was only through the telephone. We also have here the Philippines’ first Grandmaster, Eugene Torre, who will do the introductions.

04:26 Torre To many chess players in the world, he’s considered the greatest—sorry, but I’m too foolish to say more. But yes, I think our listeners have a good idea already who our special guest is tonight—no other than Bobby Fischer, the World Chess Champion. He’s here, ladies and gentlemen, inside the studio, inside Bombo Radio Philippines, Baguio branch.

05:36 Fischer And it’s a very commendable programme, because you’re discussing real issues—you know, like freedom and wages and this hostage situation. Not a lot of trivia.

05:53 Mercado On top of real issues here. Also, you were mentioning about oil cartels—because every now and then you break into English, so I understood it quite a bit. You were talking about how these transnational corporations, the Filipinos who work for them here, are putting some kind of unethical pressure—I forgot exactly what you were saying.

06:20 Fischer Well, they keep on raising the prices, and it’s having an effect on most of the Filipinos, who are very poor here in the Philippines. I can tell you there’s no programme like yours in the US, really—I’m serious about that. The appearance in the US of total freedom—that’s the game. But there is no freedom. There is no freedom of speech, either. That’s the name of the game. Façade City.

06:56 Mercado It’s been quite a long time since you’ve been back to the United States, right?

06:58 Fischer Eight years.

07:00 Mercado Eight years. And you’ve seen a difference—of what a free country is supposed to be. Right, Bobby?

07:08 Fischer Well, I’ve had time to reflect. Sometimes when you’re inside the beast, you don’t see things quite so clearly. But now I see the US for what it is. It’s always been a filthy country since its inception—they were bringing slaves over from Africa for hundreds of years even before the US became an independent country. And of course they decimated the Indians. According to Marlon Brando, when the white man came to America there were some 10 million Indians there. But when the white man was finished, there were just a few hundred thousand left.

07:24 The Jews say we should get Israel back because we ruled this land 2,000 years ago. Nobody says India should get the United States back—the Indians ruled it before 1492. Nobody says they should get their land back and everybody should leave. Which I think—the Indians are right. They should get their land back. They should get the whole damn country back.

08:27 A lot of the white racists, they say the Negroes should go back to Africa—which may be true, but the white man should go back to Europe. So everybody should get out of there and give the country back to the American Indians.

08:40 Mercado That’s right. And you were talking about the Jews. See, the first time I talked with you over the telephone, you had this thing against the Jews. I’ve read some of the reactions to our earlier interviews, and they said, “How can Bobby say something bad about the Jews when he himself is part Jewish?”

09:03 Fischer Well, first of all, Pablo, according to the Jews themselves, Judaism is a religion. If you look at the most authoritative book there is on Jews and Judaica—the Encyclopedia Judaica—they say right in there, the definition of a Jew is someone who practises the Jewish faith. That’s their own definition. That’s the Jewish definition.

09:52 Mercado And you’re not adhering to that?

09:58 Fischer Obviously, I don’t. It’s a criminal faith, a criminal philosophy of life.

10:04 Mercado Alright. Let’s turn the mic over to Eugene. I think he has some things he’d like to ask you on the air.

10:12 Torre Okay. Just want to hear from you, Bobby. As I was listening—the Jews themselves, they dropped their claim to you, but first they were liars, so they will come back again and say it again. But they dropped their claim.

10:41 Fischer That’s it. It’s there. Right.

10:48 Torre Anyway, Bobby—as I was listening to you, even in all your interviews, I noticed that you have been relentless in your attack against the Jews and the United States. Of course, that is understandable—the one against the United States, because it’s unbelievable that they want to arrest you and chair you for ten years. Why so relentless?

11:37 Fischer Well, let me quote from this book—The Secret World Government by Major General Count Cherep-Spiridovich. This is my bible. I first got a copy of it in 1977, I believe it was. And I’ve read it hundreds of times since then. I mean, not the same copy—I’ve gone through a lot of copies. But I’ve read it hundreds of times, and that’s how I discovered—if you remember, just back in January—that this Lord Rothermere is a Rothschild. Well, this book—The Secret World Government—this book is alive today even though it was written and printed in 1926.

12:10 So let me just quote. This is all about the Jews and the Rothschilds and the secret world government. Page 126: “Many hundred years ago, the Prophet Muhammad stated: Whoever is a friend of a Jew belongs to them, becomes one of them. God cannot tolerate this mean people. The Jews have wandered away from the divine religion given by Moses. They are usurpers. They usurp property. They usurp everything. You must not relent in your work, which must show up Jewish deceit.”—Koran.

12:39 So that’s it. That’s why I will not relent. Anyway, I try to take the good from every religion, every faith—even from the horrible Old Testament or even the Talmud, you’ll find something good somewhere.

13:11 Torre But you know, Bobby, you’re fighting against the US government and the Jews. It’s quite overwhelming, this opposition against you. And obviously, I think you cannot expect any justice from the US, because I noticed that there was too much piling on you—because they charged you with a possible jail term of ten years, and then they allowed this supposedly legal auctioning at Bekins. And I was wondering—with all these things that you’re trying to do, what do you want to achieve in all these interviews you’ve been doing in the Philippines?

14:01 Mercado Yes. That’s a good question, Bobby. What do you want to achieve?

14:04 Fischer Well, basically, my basic thesis is that the Jews completely control the United States, and they’re using the United States as a vehicle to take over the world. So the main point is people have to be educated. You can’t fight the Jews, you can’t fight the United States, unless you’re educated.

14:34 Torre But are you not afraid?

14:38 Fischer Yeah. Well, a little bit. Let me read something else from The Secret World Government. He said: “My object is to explain what has really happened in history. All that will happen if we continue to be frightened by a band of criminals”—I’m talking about the Jews, of course—“and the warped minds who should be arrested, tried, and made harmless. To rid the world of this unspeakably shameful fear, which paralyses our defence and which will cause our destruction.”

15:22 Torre And then you told me somehow, this auctioning is quite a big business.

15:30 Fischer Yeah. I just heard the other day, I think it was on the BBC, that there are over 10,000 auction sites on the internet.

16:08 And I notice Amazon—they also do auctions. They’re mainly selling things. They’ve been losing tons and tons of money every year. Every year they lose more money, even though their stock keeps going up. But eBay, which is exclusively auctioning, has been profitable since the very beginning. So there’s a real mania to get celebrity stuff, especially.

16:41 Mercado And one of the celebrities is you?

16:45 Fischer Yeah.

16:51 See, Pablo, what the Jews have done is they’ve published some information about an auction by Dryer and Feil in Irvine, California. But this auction is not the original auction from Bekins. This is already a re-auction, and it’s only a tiny fraction of my stuff. They want the public to think that this is all that has been taken from my storage house. It’s not. They are publishing in the press only a tiny fraction of this stuff that Bekins robbed from me, and this is just to throw sand in people’s eyes.

17:36 Torre So this has become a big business with the very special and important belongings of celebrities like you?

17:42 Fischer Of course. You know, in the last two years, I have gotten hundreds, probably thousands of letters from churches and charitable organisations asking me to send them just any old thing as a fundraiser for their auction. Any old thing. And I never ever sent them anything. You know why? I didn’t want to open the door, because I was afraid—maybe someday, if I start giving away my stuff, people might start stealing and say I gave it to them. Do you understand?

18:08 I was never going to open the door to this. I never even gave any of these things away to these charities, even though they wrote very nice letters. They just wanted anything. It could be, you know, a pair of socks, an old magazine—anything that was mine. But I wouldn’t give it to them because I didn’t want to open the door to thieves.

18:37 Torre But, for example, this here—this is Dryer and Feil. And this is some of the stuff that they sold to Ellsworth. What about Ellsworth? He’s prospering, you see.

18:59 Fischer Oh, he is doing better than ever. He has a cassette language-tape company—maybe one of the biggest in the world for teaching languages. English and German, about ten different languages. He’s had it for many years. And he’s a very rich guy. He has gas wells. He has a luxury condominium in Pasadena, right on Fair Oaks Boulevard, right where the Rose Parade goes by every year.

19:35 And his business partner is Bob Tobe—a dirty Jew. I’m told this guy Bob Tobe, Ellsworth’s business partner, has a nationwide TV programme. So Ellsworth is a very establishment person. This is not like I gave this duty to some Bowery bum to pay my stuff, you know, who just pocketed it.

[End of f_12_1.mp3. To be continued with parts 2–4.]

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[Continuation of the Bombo Radio Baguio in-studio interview. Fischer is still discussing the Bekins robbery, the re-auction through Dryer and Feil, and the broader exploitation of his memorabilia.]

00:00 Fischer Nothing like that at all. He was a very rich guy, and now he’s an even richer guy. He has an apartment in Brazil. He has businesses in Brazil. He’s a very sharp businessman. He once wrote me a letter years ago telling me what a good deal it would be to invest in one of those gas wells. If I can ever find that letter, you’ll see what a sharp businessman this guy is. This is not some bumbling fool.

00:32 Also, there’s no way he could have “forgotten” to pay. First of all, he told me he paid it. And secondly, that Bekins building is huge—you pass it every time you go over the freeway. So there’s no way he forgot to pay. This was a conspiracy with the US government. It was obvious. There’s no question about that. Everybody knows it. Nobody just wants to say it.

00:51 Torre It’s like the emperor’s clothes.

00:54 Fischer Exactly. It’s so damn obvious. What they stole from me was a room like this—not a little cubicle, a real room, boxes to the ceiling. Believe me. There was a big 2,000-pound safe, two big file cabinets, and in one file cabinet I had a hidden safe in the top drawer. So first you had to get into the file cabinet, and then there was the hidden safe, and then there were two more keys. I had the whole damn thing locked up.

01:30 Mercado Was he able to open all those doors?

01:32 Fischer Obviously they were, because I know some of the small things they later returned to me had been inside that space. So they opened it all up, sure. They wanted this stuff. This was a planned robbery. Planned. The stuff was there twelve years. I paid them over ten thousand dollars in storage fees. You would think after all those years you’d have a relationship of trust, right?

02:07 Torre Right.

02:08 Fischer But with these people—no way.

02:20 Mercado You were looking at that Dryer and Feil article on the internet?

02:26 Fischer Yes. And I will admit, that internet article—an old one, from around January 1999—does mention that the Dryer and Feil auction was a re-auction. That’s important. It was not the original Bekins auction. It was a re-auction of my stuff. This stuff was being sold by the guy who bought it from Bekins, you see? It’s already a re-auction. But they’re trying to make the public think this is the auction of my stuff, when actually it’s only a tiny amount of my stuff. Very tiny.

03:19 Mercado Do you still have some stuff left at Bekins, or has it all been sold off?

03:25 Fischer No. I have nothing except what they returned to me, which, as I told you, was a tiny fraction of one percent.

03:31 Mercado As far as you know, all the memorabilia has already been sold?

03:36 Fischer I haven’t been informed of anything. I sent them a fax. They refused to answer me.

03:43 Torre How come these crimes that were done against you—especially in America—have not been punished by the US government? If those crimes go unpunished, it seems that only encourages future crimes against you.

04:02 Fischer First of all, I’m a fugitive from justice myself, according to them. They want to put me in prison for ten years.

04:11 Torre Yes, so when they refuse to punish the crimes done to you, it sends the message that anyone can do these things and get away with it.

04:24 Fischer Right. Anybody can steal from me and then say, “Oh, I got that at an auction. It was auctioned off from Bobby Fischer’s stuff at Bekins.” That’s how they cover it. Anybody can steal anything they want from me, because they’re claiming that just by virtue of being in a room belonging to them, my gold coins, silver coins, cash, documents, contracts, letters, mementos—everything—belongs to them.

05:04 You’re talking about a minimum of hundreds of thousands of items. Probably more. Just the files on the 1960s and 1970s alone ran to many tens of thousands of pages. This was a tremendous mass of material. I saved every damn thing. Even the photographs we took in earlier years—everything. They stole everything without a trace. Even the safe and the file cabinets are gone. And they won’t reply. Why should they reply? They act as if it’s all their property.

05:59 Torre Well, Bobby, it seems that you’re very bitter toward the US government and toward what happened to you in America. But how about the people—your fans? Did you receive fan mail in the United States?

06:18 Fischer Oh yes. Let me give you an idea of what a rotten country the US is. In Iceland in 1972, after my match, I got a lot of congratulatory letters and telegrams. Of course all that has now been stolen by Bekins. But it was very interesting to compare the American letters with the ones from Europe and the rest of the world.

06:49 The American letters were mostly like: “We won! We beat the Russians!” Very animal-like. It wasn’t just one letter. Almost all the American letters had that tone. But the letters from Europe said things like: “Congratulations. You’ve had a long, lonely, difficult struggle. We’re proud of you. You’ve done so much for chess.” Even then, when I was still pro-American, I couldn’t help feeling disgust at the tone of the letters from the US. These were people who never cared about me all my life, and they don’t care about me today.

07:52 Mercado What were you expecting from those letters?

07:57 Fischer More of what the Europeans were saying. Recognition of the years of sacrifice, the studying, the struggle, the gigantic odds against the Russians.

08:16 Torre So they are quick to join you in victory, but in your suffering they are absent.

08:25 Fischer Fair-weather friends. In-and-outers. They just want to be on the side that’s winning. Like Bob Dylan said—you’ve got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend when I was down and you just stood there grinning; you just want to be on the side that’s winning. That’s who they are.

09:11 I don’t say they’re inherently worse than other people, but this is the corruption of the Jews, the poison of the Jews, spread through society.

09:22 Torre I remember, Bobby, when you arrived here in 1967, you were described as an ambassador of goodwill of the United States.

09:33 Fischer Yes, that’s true, Eugene. When I came, Campomanes gave me a very nice photo-and-clipping album, very beautifully put together. And one of the columns from around April 1967 said I was good for the image of America—something like an ambassador of goodwill to the US. But the Jews have stolen all that. Now the US wants to put me in prison for ten years. So if that’s the way they want it, that’s the way they’re going to get it.

10:23 Torre Which reminds me—I just read in the papers yesterday that Manila is a base of CIA operations.

10:34 Fischer Yes. I just read that today.

10:36 Torre So they’re here, and you’re here. Does that tell you something, Bobby?

10:44 Fischer Where do I begin? I read that whole article. It practically confirms everything I’ve been saying and deducing about the CIA. I’ve been reading a lot of books about them—about Aldrich Ames, and Gordon Thomas’s books, and all the rest. The CIA is gigantic. But remember, the CIA is only one-seventh of the whole US spy apparatus. There are the NSA, the spy satellites, military intelligence, the FBI, the narcotics agencies—a whole bunch of agencies gathering intelligence and doing dirty tricks.

12:22 Mercado Do you think the CIA is the most potent spy agency in the world?

12:27 Fischer That’s a good question. Maybe they’re not. Maybe some others are even bigger and we just don’t hear about them. But the CIA is certainly gigantic. No doubt about that. They’re vicious. They’re killers.

12:40 Mercado People in the Philippines might be apprehensive that after our interview they could pinpoint where you are and just pick you up.

12:58 Fischer Pablo, they knew I was coming before I came. They follow every phone call I make. The article itself says so. It says every phone call, every fax, every email, every internet and cell-phone transmission can be intercepted worldwide through their relay system. The nerve centre is at Fort Meade, Maryland. That’s what this article says.

14:00 Mercado So you’re not afraid?

14:03 Fischer I’m concerned. But what is the alternative? Just shut up and let them rob everything I’ve worked for all my life? They’ve been successful in robbing me, yes—but I guarantee you they don’t like this exposure, this light I’m throwing on the Jews in the US.

14:39 Torre So it is possible they can make your life very, very difficult.

14:45 Fischer At the least, yes. I remember reading in They Dare to Speak Out about an Arab restaurant owner in the Chicago area. The place was doing very good business—and I guess it was a meeting place for Arabs. The Jews didn’t like that. They figured: “Arabs eating in there, who knows what they’re going to be talking about.” So the Jews opened up their own Arabic-food restaurant—they knew quite a bit about Arabic food, because a lot of Jews lived in the Middle East before they went and founded the State of Israel. But they failed to put them out of business. Then they had health inspectors come around saying he had violations of the health code, shut them down temporarily. That didn’t work either. Finally they just burned the place down. And when he reopened, it was smaller than before, and the Arabic restaurant was still doing better. So they started calling up the owner, giving him hateful, threatening calls. He got very nervous and said, “What are you planning to do? Are you going to kill me?” And the Jew on the other end of the line laughs and says, “No, we’re not going to kill you. We’re going to make you dead while you’re still alive.”

16:29 Torre Okay, so it is very possible they can make your life very, very difficult.

16:38 Fischer They already have.

16:51 Torre You have exposed what you say is the fake Holocaust; you have exposed crimes of the US; and you have also named the Rothschilds and the Jews. They’re powerful enough to make your life very difficult.

17:08 Fischer They already have. Here’s something from the Japan Times, Monday, May 15, 2000: an Iranian paper saying the Holocaust is a fraud. The newspaper puts “proves” in quotation marks, of course, because it’s promoting the Holocaust story. But the point is, I’m not the only one saying these things.

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00:00 Torre “Iran Paper Proves Holocaust Fraud”—it’s datelined Tehran.

00:08 Fischer Yeah. I got a little pile here that shows lots of people basically feel just like me, but they’re just afraid to speak out. I think it’s just a combination of things in my life that makes me more open than others. First of all, that’s my nature. Secondly, being a chess player—I didn’t have to work nine to five. So a lot of people are wage slaves and they’re afraid of losing their job.

00:48 Mercado So they cannot afford to say something against the establishment.

00:52 Fischer That’s their mentality. I don’t know if they really can’t, but I think they can. That’s their mentality.

01:00 Mercado Bobby, have you had media interviews from other outlets, from other countries, in the past? When was the last time you were in a studio?

01:06 Fischer Way back. See, I made a really serious mistake in not going on radio earlier. Because what I was doing by this, I was encouraging the Jews to rip me off. “The guy doesn’t go on the radio to denounce us after we come out with this illegal Batsford book, we come out with this illegal Searching for Bobby Fischer movie…”

02:29 Mercado Why are you doing these accusations over Bombo Radio? Why in the Philippines?

02:34 Fischer I’m trying to tell you—this is the God’s truth. I cannot get on live anywhere else in the world. I got on live once in Hungary, and after about ten or fifteen minutes, they cut me off. And I tried to get on other radio stations.

02:48 Hold on. I told you last time—I even called the president of Iceland. This is not the president of the chess federation. This is the president of the country. And he has been speaking very complimentarily about me for several minutes on radio, all over the US and all over Japan. And even he couldn’t get me on radio in Iceland, where I am still a very famous person. I put that damn country on the map, frankly.

03:17 Mercado Why? Why wouldn’t they put you on?

03:19 Fischer The Jews, the US, the CIA, the Rothschilds have put out the word.

03:19 And speaking of trademarks—the US government has given a big corporation, Learning International, which is owned by the Times Square Corporation, the right to make my name their trademark. This is from the US government. Imagine if I wrote the US government—the patent and trademark department—and said, “I’d like to have ‘Tiger Woods Teaches Golf’ as my trademark. Can I have that, please? I think I have some good ideas to make some real good money with that. What do you think?” They’d laugh in my face. They’d send the little men in the white coats to come take me away.

04:26 But Learning International—I’ve never given them this right, never, not in any way. The US government is giving them this right. They can come out with a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess chess club, a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess chess studio—whatever they want. They can use my name, which I made famous, which I made valuable, to their hearts’ content.

04:57 And the US government wants to put me in prison for ten years. So they put out the word: “Fischer has too much—he’s too smart, he’s too erudite, he’s too intelligent, and the guy is nuts. He’ll say anything he wants to. He’s not afraid of us. So we have a choice: we keep him off the air, or we’re going to have to blow him away.” So they decided, “We’re going to try and keep him off the air, and then we’ll decide what to do. We can always blow him away.”

05:44 Mercado What are they going to do, cut the telephone line? They don’t want to make it too obvious.

05:52 So do you think your ideas, or the things that you’re saying now and during the previous interviews, would reach the US government through our radio station?

06:02 Fischer The US government has every one of our interviews digitised. They have transcripts of them. They can just push a button—“What has Fischer said in these interviews about the Holocaust?”—get it all printed out, whatever they want. So they’ve been following these interviews from the beginning. They’re following this interview right now. Right now, in Langley, Virginia, CIA headquarters, they’re listening to this interview right now. Not later. Right now.

06:22 I have to digress—I saw a movie the other day. It was called The Waterboy. You see that movie, The Waterboy?

06:39 Mercado No, I did not.

06:42 Fischer It was starring some Jew. Kinky-haired, ugly Jew. Forget his name. He’s even uglier than Kasparov. And in the movie, he plays like an idiot, a water boy for a football team. And one of the people on the football team writes him a note and says, “Eat shit and kill yourself.” So that’s what I say to the CIA, to the Jews, and to the US government. And to the Rothschilds and to Bekins and to Bob Ellsworth, etcetera.

07:27 Torre With this relentless attack of yours, Bobby, they’re also relentlessly attacking you. Fight to the finish. And of course, when they do this—because they’re very powerful, Bobby—they can intimidate your would-be supporters.

07:55 Fischer Right, right. That’s what they’re trying to do. I think more than anything, they want to kind of strangle me to death by isolating me, because in spite of the things they say about me, I think a lot of people deep down realise nobody can be as bad as the press is painting me out to be.

08:17 But the people who put this in the press know that intelligent people think that way. But they also know that the intelligent people, when they read this, they say, “Yeah, maybe this stuff is not all true. I’m sure it’s not. But one thing is clear: the establishment doesn’t like Fischer. And if I’m gonna support Fischer, they’re not gonna like me either.” That’s the message they’re trying to get across. “Keep away from Fischer, because we hate this guy. And if you support him, we’re going to hate you too. We’re going to destroy you too.”

08:46 Torre That’s unfortunate, Bobby, because I believe that your Fischer Random is a brilliant idea, and it will be the chess of the future—if Fischer Random is supported. But I think because of this intimidation, would-be supporters are quite intimidated.

09:16 Fischer I’m not going to make any excuses for the people who are afraid. They’re free to do the right thing. Nonetheless—what did Vice President Gore say the other day at his acceptance speech, his nomination speech? He says, “In this life, sometimes you have to do the hard right over the easy wrong.”

09:35 Torre That’s what you’re doing.

09:41 Fischer That’s why I’m hitting the Jews—telling the truth about the Holocaust and all the crimes of the Jews against me and against the world.

10:06 Torre Going to the US election—because I think the topic is getting very hot now in America. I can assume that you would like the Republicans to win, because during the administration of the Democrats right now, they stole your possessions, and the movie, and then the Batsford book. So I assume that—

10:37 Fischer Well, don’t forget, when I was indicted, that was during the Bush administration. So if I were to vote for Bush, then it’s like—the guy who wants to put me in prison, I’m voting for him? That’s hard to take.

11:28 But you remember George Wallace—he was running from Alabama. He said a real true thing. He said that there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Republican and the Democratic Party.

12:00 Fischer I really think it’s all the behind-the-scenes people. I don’t think the Republican and the Democrat—there’s not much difference. Very little. I think domestically, they might be 80–90% the same. Internationally, they’re 100% the same. They’re both totally pro-Israel. They’re both warmongering parties. So Lieberman said in his nomination and acceptance speech, he’s for a strong American defence, and I’m sure he’s for the huge spy apparatus. The difference is really minuscule between these two parties. It’s not even worth talking about.

12:38 Torre Because you’re right—the United States has this image of democracy, democracy. So they have to keep it going with phony elections every now and then.

12:46 Bobby—speaking of elections, because we are here in the Philippines—our politicians, we are very much impressed with your election, especially because it’s computerised. So we very much believe that it’s quite honest.

13:11 Fischer No. No. No. I think it’s really the reverse. I only voted one time, but I remember clearly what happened. I went in there. I signed my name and address. They asked, “Are you Republican, Democrat, or no affiliation?” I put no affiliation. Then you go and vote. You just pull down a lever or push a button—I don’t remember. You don’t sign anything. Nothing. So they can say whatever they want at this polling booth. If they have some crooks running the polling booth, they can say anything they want, because there’s nothing in writing for who you voted for. Absolutely nothing. So they can totally rig these elections.

13:51 Mercado You might be pulling the lever or pushing the button for one party, and then it registers for the other party?

13:58 Fischer Well, it’s whatever—I don’t know how—it’s all electronic. There is no verification, no way that you can check. Nothing from the voter.

14:10 Mercado You mean our election here is… could be better?

14:19 Fischer More honest, you know.

14:21 Mercado You know why we are more honest in the Philippines?

14:28 Fischer I’ll tell you why. And why you have more freedom of speech too. Because you learn like somebody said in another interview—in Tagalog, “Pero we learned all our ropes from the US now. You’re attacking the US, but we learned everything in the US.”

14:41 Fischer You learned about freedom of speech from the US. You learned about this democracy and voting from the US. Right? And you perceived it. You see? You don’t know it’s a farce. It’s a fraud in the US. So you’re practising what you think is the real way. You’re practising the real voting system and the real freedom of speech. You don’t know that your teacher is a fake. It’s all a farce.

15:03 They never practised it either.

15:05 Mercado Yeah.

15:08 Fischer The reason you have freedom of speech in the Philippines is because you’re naïve.

15:18 Mercado You look and you sound happier this time than in our previous interviews. Why is that?

15:32 Fischer I think I’m in a nice environment. I like being in the Philippines. And I think it’s much more interesting, to be honest with you, to see the person’s face, their reaction.

15:44 Mercado I had different mental images of you on the phone. We just met one time and I thought you were a small guy. I don’t know. I’m really honoured you’re here in the studio in my program.

16:10 Fischer Well, I really am very appreciative that Bombo Radio has let me on. I am not joking—I have tried to get on stations anywhere. Nobody wants me. I put out the word to my friends in Spain, the US, also Japan. They said: “It’s impossible.” I’m talking about live. I don’t know about tape recording—I’m sure I can get on TV, radio, whatever tape-recorded. But they’re going to have control.

16:43 Did you see that movie about cigarettes with Al Pacino? The Insider. The point is, it’s about 60 Minutes. You know that TV program with Mike Wallace? I was on that a long time ago. But the point is, the guy gave the interview in the movie, telling about how the cigarette companies were juicing up the cigarettes with nicotine to make them get the hook. And he gave the interview on 60 Minutes, but then they didn’t air it. So they can cut it, they can not air it. Well, I don’t want to bother with that.

17:27 Talking of movies—I saw one about the machinations of the US, the political landscape. It’s called Wag the Dog.

17:40 Mercado No, I haven’t seen that.

17:44 Fischer Well, it shows how the leadership in the US can manipulate a person’s life.

17:55 Torre Yes, I’d like to comment, Bobby, because you reminded me—you were mentioning some quotes from Mark Twain.

18:08 Fischer Yeah. I found a few interesting quotes of Mark Twain. One quote is about the Batsford book, how they’ve totally rewritten my book. And somebody asked Mark Twain, “Well, does it really matter that you get the most exact word, the most precise word to express yourself?” And he said, “Oh yeah, it makes all the difference. It’s the difference between a firefly and a fire.”

18:44 And then he also said another thing. He said—I picked this up on the BBC—“You have to watch out for these telephone books. You might just die of a misprint.”

18:56 But there’s also one other thing regarding the Jews which is very interesting. The Jews always want to minimise their population. That’s a major part of the Jewish conspiracy. They don’t want the people to get too frightened of their power—until it’s too late. So Mark Twain said—this was about the late 1890s, I don’t know, like ’95 or so—“You know, they tell me there are only 250,000 Jews here in the United States, but I just can’t accept that. Seems to me I know more than 250,000 Jews myself.”

19:44 So that says it all about their enormous numbers.

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00:00 Fischer The Rothschilds—on the mother’s side. But also, you have this ambassador’s residence—that’s still going, right? New Jersey—there’s a very good chance your ambassador is a Jew. The American ambassador is a Jew, because most of the ambassadors nominated are Jews. So there’s a very good chance right down the street there’s a Jew ambassador from the US.

00:40 Torre Do you listen, Bobby, to Voice of America?

00:44 Fischer Yes. I listen to VOA. I listen to BBC. I’ve been listening to Philippine radio, mostly in Tagalog and in Ilocano here, I think. But I listen to VOA a lot. And the VOA has changed—well, it was always very slanted. But now it’s just unbelievably slanted.

01:20 I think the VOA is more propaganda now—hardline propaganda, pro-US hardline propaganda—than Radio Moscow was in the times of the Soviet Union, in the times of communism. I’ll give you an example. You remember the US bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade last year? They killed several people.

01:42 Mercado Yes.

01:44 Fischer And they said it was a mistake or whatever. Doesn’t really matter whether it was a mistake or not, to tell the truth, because they thought Yugoslavs were there. Would it be less of a crime if they killed Yugoslavs? Right?

01:56 I think they knew it was the Chinese. Anyway—remember that? And the US press didn’t say it was an accident when they bombed a television studio in Belgrade. They bombed the building with the announcers in the building. And they killed about sixteen people, at least, and injured many others. And then the US said, “This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, because this was not a free-information outlet. This was Milošević’s private propaganda war machine in that TV studio. It was stirring up war. That’s why we had a right to blow it up.”

[NATO bombed the Belgrade headquarters of Radio Television of Serbia in the early hours of 23 April 1999, killing sixteen members of the station’s staff—the figure Fischer gives. NATO said the broadcaster formed part of Slobodan Milošević’s propaganda apparatus; human-rights organisations condemned the strike as an attack on civilians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_the_Radio_Television_of_Serbia_headquarters.]

02:52 But now, one year later, I heard on the VOA—Milošević, a few months ago, closed an opposition TV station, if you remember. And the US government is protesting to the Yugoslav government about just closing the TV station—not killing anyone. Just closing it. That’s “curbing freedom of speech” according to the US.

03:25 That’s a complete turnaround. Look—the US is just a total hypocrite. When they blow up a station, that’s not curbing freedom of speech—that’s supposedly curbing Milošević’s propaganda machine. But when he closes down a TV station in Belgrade, without killing anybody, without hurting anybody—that’s a crime, that’s evil, according to the US government.

03:46 So we’re dealing with absolute bastards and liars, and they know they’re bastards and liars. The US policy is—one of the expressions—“Always be sincere, whether you mean it or not.” That’s the US policy. They say it with a straight face. They’re not joking.

04:40 Torre And this is the arrest warrant. This warrant would put you in prison for ten years. And this still stands?

04:47 Fischer Still standing, yes. It’s a federal arrest warrant. It’s good in every state of the Union and in all the US possessions.

04:51 Torre What if they repeal it, or they recall it?

05:02 Fischer Well, even if they recall it, they can still put an arrest warrant on me again when I’m there, right? They’re such snakes. They can charge me with something else. But what about my property? What about all these other crimes that have been committed against me? I’m not going to forget that.

05:18 It’s not just a question of this indictment. This movie Searching for Bobby Fischer—how much money has Paramount made on this? Tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. And this is all with the permission of the US government. Not the permission of Bobby Fischer. The US government is a criminal regime.

05:55 Torre The US is considered to be the most sophisticated democracy in the world. But also it has the most sophisticated spying apparatus. It’s not compatible. How do you have the world’s best democracy, the one that wants to teach all the other countries about fairness and justice, and at the same time have this huge spy apparatus—which is not just a spy apparatus. They’re actually making things happen, causing revolutions and killing people all over the world.

06:28 Fischer And then the US justifies it: “Oh yes, we have this huge spy apparatus, we admit that. But it’s to preserve democracy, because we have many, many enemies all over the world who want to bring us down.” But why does the US have all these enemies all over the world? Switzerland is also very rich. They don’t have all these enemies all over the world who are trying to destroy Switzerland. Switzerland, Sweden, especially the Swiss.

06:57 The reason so many people want to bring down the US—Osama bin Laden, white supremacists in the US, Iraq, now Yugoslavia, China, Russia—so many countries hate the US. It’s because of the US’s criminal behaviour.

07:10 So many countries, so many individuals. It’s a criminal regime. That’s why they need this spy apparatus and this huge military budget. It’s not a democracy. It was never a democracy. The United States was always a criminal regime hiding behind all these slogans. That’s a whole bunch of slogans: democracy, level playing field, market economy, separation of powers—all this rubbish. If you strip away all these slogans and shibboleths, then you can really see what the US is. It’s a vicious, cruel, criminal machine. Genetic engineering, atom bombs, nuclear power—just the United States should be destroyed. The government should be destroyed just for spreading genetic engineering. It’s absolutely criminal. Just that one thing alone—the United States has to go.

08:07 Torre Anyway, Bobby—probably our last topic—because you feel you don’t have any chance in US courts. But here in the Philippines, we were able to protect the rights of one guy—the “I Love You” guy, you remember?

08:25 Fischer I just read about that, yeah.

08:31 Torre The courts dropped the charges against him. And I’m very glad, because it was not a crime what he did here.

08:40 Fischer We should do more of that. He should do more of that. He should attack big, mega, multinational corporations. They’re the ones who lost what they claimed they lost—$10,000,000,000. I’m sure they’re exaggerating, but nonetheless I’m sure they lost a lot of money. And according to everything I’m reading, this is just the beginning. So keep it up.

09:15 Torre Maybe I just have one more question to end our interview tonight. What happens after this? Do you plan more interviews?

09:42 Fischer I’d like to do some other interviews on some other stations, if they’re open. I did interview before at the station in Dagupan and one in Manila by phone, which was last year. So maybe I can get on some other radio stations too.

10:00 Torre Do you think you’re really hurting them?

10:05 Fischer Oh, I know I’m hurting them. You better believe it. Because my last—the interview before last, which was a real beauty, the one we gave on January 19, 2000—they were putting my interviews up to then on the US sites also, right, Eugene? They didn’t put that one on. The one when I started to really go after the Rothschilds and the Rothermeres—that hurt.

10:29 So at the beginning, they didn’t want to show I was hurting them. They wanted to make it like, “Oh, Fischer is giving interviews. Good. This is a lot of fun. Let’s make some money from those interviews and put them on the internet.” See? They didn’t want to show how much I was hurting them. But I just kept it up, and I kept it up. And now they had to show their true colours and take me off. You see?

10:49 Torre So it’s off the internet now?

10:52 Fischer I don’t know whether it’s off or on. It was on in the Philippines for a long time, but then it’s been off for like three months. I don’t think our last interview has gone on anywhere. But I’m confident these interviews will be spread around.

11:15 Torre Well, Bobby, I hope in our future interviews, we can also tackle chess—also the prearrangement by the Jews. This is where people love you most and remember you most—with chess.

11:47 Caller “Mr. Norte” Well, I’m just here to support Bobby. That’s all.

11:56 Mercado Alright. Well, thank you very much for coming over.

[Closing remarks.]

12:09 Mercado Thank you very much. Today tonight, it’s August 22, year 2000, it’s 8:35. Good evening.

13 Dagupan, Philippines, September 8, 2000 ↑

[This interview takes place at DWCM Radio, Dagupan City, Pangasinan—Fischer’s second visit to this station (the first was Chapter 8, June 1999). Fischer is physically present in the studio, having made good on his promise in Chapter 11 to visit the Philippines. This is Fischer’s first in-studio broadcast from the Philippines. GM Eugene Torre, Jun Tucet, and local chess enthusiasts are present. The audio quality is extremely poor throughout, and much of the transcript is approximate.]

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[The first part opens with a Tagalog introduction. Fischer is welcomed to the studio. He compliments Bombo Radio and DWCM.]

01:04 Fischer I’m very happy to be here. I was on another radio station, I believe, about a year and a half ago. And I want to compliment Bombo Radio. Because I’ve been on Bombo Radio a lot in Baguio, and what I understand is a very high-minded public-service station which focuses on hard information, not a lot of trivia. I would just say there’s a lot of good energy here.

[Audio quality very poor from 02:20 to 04:30; the following is conjectural.]

02:22 Tucet So what is your opinion about the US Embassy advisory warning Americans about coming here to the Philippines?

03:19 Fischer They had an advisory from the American government—I don’t know whether it’s just the southern part or the whole country.

03:33 Tucet The whole country, or just the southern part?

03:35 Fischer The southern part—I don’t know. Maybe it should be the whole country.

03:43 Tucet I heard you’ve been recommended not to go to the troubled areas in the South.

03:57 Fischer Yeah, but I don’t think they actually said that. I didn’t hear them recommend Americans not to come. I don’t know, maybe they’re doing something new. Well, you know, I don’t like to go off half-cocked. I like to see what those Masters said.

04:32 Fischer First of all, I want to thank these people. I want to thank Eugene Torre—he’s the one who made it possible. From my side of the story, about all the crimes that the Jews have committed against me, and the Jew-controlled United States government. And also Bobby Ang, who put it on the internet. And Pablo Mercado, one of the very few people who can be trusted.

05:42 Fischer They want to put me in prison for ten years. I have a copy of the arrest warrant right here. This is issued on December 15, 1992. And according to a letter from the US Treasury Department, I am on a list of ten most wanted.

06:26 Fischer Well, the Jews control the United States completely. The American Jews and the US government are really interchangeable. They are behind all of this. They completely control the US government.

06:50 So far as I know, I am the only person in the whole United States who has been charged with a violation of this—the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. This is an executive order signed by Bush on June 5, 1992. This is Executive Order 12810, imposing sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro.

08:00 So far as I know, I’m the only person in the whole world that has been charged under this. This is extremely Jewish-oriented.

[Audio quality poor from 08:30 to 13:30; conjectural reconstruction below.]

08:30 Let me give you an example. I have an article—this is from a magazine called Current Biography. This is a May 1994 issue. This magazine comes out several times a year, and they have maybe twenty-five people in each issue with about five or six pages each. They have a biography about me, it’s about five or six pages. But it says something very interesting here, regarding this indictment.

09:12 It says: “The match was billed a world championship, although it was by no means officially recognised as such. Of the 30 games of the match, Fischer won 10 and lost 5, and the remaining 15 games were draws. On December 15, 1992, United States officials indicted Fischer and issued an arrest warrant, an action that surprised some legal scholars in view of the numerous unpunished violations of United Nations sanctions committed by arms manufacturers and other companies.”

09:53 So rather than going after people who have been selling arms to people, from the United States, they’re going after me—for playing chess. And, you know how it is—it’s a community thing. This is a vicious, evil and synthetic thing. This is just one of many crimes against me, crime after crime against the leaders. They’ve been pulling crime after crime against me for years.

10:17 Torre Is it because of your views on the nuclear power plants, in our talks in London in 1997?

10:24 Fischer No, I didn’t voice them to him—I gave him a perfectly fair condition. He refused to play me. And then we had a meeting to decide what to do about this dispute about the rules. They had a vote, and as far as my information, I won the vote. The press said that I lost the vote, that the match was tied nine to nine, and the champion would retain the title. This was a vote in Holland around the spring of 1995.

11:03 And the press said I lost to him in the vote. And they gave the results of the vote, but they never published a breakdown of how each country voted. And to my information, from Fred Kreidler, I won the vote. They just didn’t provide a breakdown. I remember Hugo, when he went to Amsterdam at the time when Tom Vermaas was getting friends, he asked them to see how each country voted on this nine-to-nine vote at this special committee meeting in the spring of 1995.

11:42 And the response was: it’s all in the archive, and “you’ll get to see it” … but not yet. So in other words what he means is they will show it when all the delegates are dead and all the records are lost, and then they can say whatever they want. It’s kind of like sealing the Kennedy assassination records for fifty or a hundred years, or whatever.

12:04 So it doesn’t mean they’re no longer interested in this. There are reports out there that they are falsifying the scores of my games. We can get into that. That’s one of the reasons why these people robbed all of my cash, valuables and other belongings. There are a lot of unpublished games and scores out there that they want to falsify.

12:36 Torre Are you saying now that you are afraid that these networks have some purpose?

12:43 Fischer Well, they say I’m a fugitive. I don’t think I am a fugitive, because I never fled. I never went back to the US after they indicted me, so I don’t see how that makes me a fugitive. Another arrest warrant for me—a federal arrest warrant—is valid in every state in the Union and US possessions. And they’re very serious about this. They want to destroy me physically. They’re going to throw me in prison, or they want to destroy me physically. This is not a joke. I can show you.

13:25 Torre You are the first and only American who holds the official title of World Champion, and this is what you get from the United States?

13:33 Fischer Right, right. Well, the truth about the United States is that it’s a totally Jewish country. I was telling Pablo in January—what is the most common name for a male baby in 1999 in the United States? Jacob. And this is supposed to be a Christian country. Shame.

14:44 Fischer Yes, I’ve been going out and exposing the Jews now since January ’99. I was doing it before, but since my stuff was stolen in Bekins, I went for the radio.

15:02 Torre Have you seen any threats since then?

15:05 Fischer No. Well, they’ve just been making very threatening statements in the press about what’s going to happen. But I haven’t seen any threatening phone calls or anything like that. This Yasser Seirawan—he published in his magazine, he suggests a lot of that. He published a little editorial, and I take it as a kind of threat on my life.

15:49 This is published in Inside Chess, April 1999. He says: “The interview is shocking, and I must warn you, Fischer’s language is extremely vulgar. He takes shots at Jewish people in virulent terms. Those of you seeking this hate-filled message can find it at the website, and the recording has been made available on National Public Radio, as well as other places. We have decided that there is no purpose to printing this anti-Semitic anti-Jewish tirade in our pages. Nothing in this tumult should be taken seriously by any sane person, and the aftermath has only harmed Fischer.”

16:24 Now, here’s the key part of this message: “Fischer’s life is going through an ugly conclusion. The theme is that the greatest chess player we’ve ever seen has become a vitriolic figure. These messages are not being met with personal animosity, but anyway, he said, ‘My life is going through an ugly conclusion.’ ”

16:48 And another German Jew, Larry Evans, writing in Chess Life, said similar things—you can’t gloss over it. So the Jews are making it clear that anyone who openly exposes their crimes has to die. That’s what they’re saying.

17:07 Torre This is the reason why you don’t want to travel widely—in some ways, you don’t want to be recognised, or to be known where you are?

17:22 Fischer Well, I don’t mind being recognised. I mean, when I’m here in the Philippines, in a coffee shop, I’m not so worried.

17:35 Torre Anyway, who do you say is behind all this? The US government, Bekins Moving and Storage, the US press, the US radio stations, Bob Ellsworth, the past and present Bekins executives—

17:52 Fischer Everybody involved is trying to bring me down. Nobody is denying the accusations regarding the Bekins robbery. Nobody. This has already been on the forefront for about a year and a half now—over a year and a half. They’re not issuing one statement, not making one statement. The only conclusion is they haven’t made a statement because they can’t deny it.

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[Fischer discusses Fischer Random chess at length, explaining the 960 starting positions, the castling rules, and why it eliminates prearrangement and memorisation. Several local chess enthusiasts ask questions. Audio remains very poor.]

02:32 Fischer […] of prearrangement and just a ton of memorisation, preparation. It was not an intellectual struggle, a one-on-one struggle, that people think it is. It has very little to do with that anymore—that’s actually a minor part. Preparation and prearrangement are what chess is all about today. That’s why I invented Fischer Random chess—trying to get it back on a one-on-one basis. Although I don’t think it’s important whether I have a successor in chess. To me, the game’s dead.

03:13 Caller Yes, sir. This may be a brutal question, but I want to ask you—we are shocked at stories all over the world because of the hostage crisis in the Philippines. Are you okay that you have departed from New York?

03:33 Fischer Oh, I understand this is just the way these stronger guys would have predicted.

03:44 Caller And third, final question—how do you find the Philippine chess players?

03:53 Fischer I am out of the chess scene now, after Fischer Random.

04:00 Caller Thank you very much.

04:01 Caller 2 I would like to ask about this Fischer Random chess that you have invented. What is the new rule that you are…?

04:14 Fischer Okay. The old chess as we knew has one starting position. But new chess, Fischer Random chess, has 960 starting positions.

04:26 Caller 2 So it’s more complicated?

04:30 Fischer Yes. It’s not only more complicated to play—it’s much more difficult to prearrange games, and it’s almost impossible to prepare moves through taking any chance. So the player is left on his own from the first move. The pieces are shuffled—the back row is randomly shuffled. So those who are willing to cheat—cheating’s been in all the games, it’s prearranged, again it’s a lot of work. But now it’s just Fischer Random the whole point: no opening variations for you.

05:01 Caller 2 I see. So to develop the chess base, because of the algorithm of the computer…

05:06 Fischer In the old chess, computers have it all analysed now, and even the prearranged steps. But in Fischer Random, even if you have it in a computer, it’s absolutely impossible to beat. So those who are advancing technology…

05:25 The most of them are good machines.

05:29 Caller 2 So changing that is possible in this case, automatically?

05:32 Fischer Yeah—in the olden days, prearranging took a lot of work. We were playing a lot of matches, also moving forward, kind of prearranged. But now it’s just super easy. You can prearrange everything in no time, because the computer can go along and check different variations for you.

05:54 Caller 2 I’m not surprised, because I read about this nowhere else but in the Washington Post. Is it a game? Or, how do you play this? You’re a modern rock musician—is it too far for you to learn this chess?

06:34 Fischer I’m happy with my memory, but I don’t make good plays—of course. So I was trying to learn how to use my chess mind, to cram my head full of variations.

06:44 Caller 2 So we heard also that you departed from the International Chess Federation, and after that, for almost twenty years… how did you fill in almost twenty years? What was I doing?

07:09 Caller I have a question, sir. I’ve been following you since you were elected as World Chess Champion in 1972—

07:20 Fischer 1975. Well, I never—I can tell you that what I was doing between the matches—I was studying about the Jews, and I was studying about how the Russians and the Jews cheated in chess. And I was studying world affairs.

07:40 Caller If I gave you a computer—how do you feel about the human aspect versus the computer?

07:50 Fischer Well, don’t forget, the computers have the benefit of all this opening knowledge that human beings have developed over the last couple of hundred years. So the computer’s great advantage is its opening library. That’s the most difficult part of the game for the computer.

08:10 Fischer So here’s the point: the old chess is dead. Why should you want to play the old chess? It’s a fixed game. It’s totally unsportsmanlike. And the amount of cheating is enormous. But with Fischer Random, where there are 960 possible starting positions, you cannot prearrange the game because when you sit down, you don’t know what position will arise. So you cannot prearrange before playing the game. That’s why Fischer Random chess will be the chess of the near future. Because it is a game that really tests the players’ skill and creativity.

10:43 Fischer Well, I’m here basically to talk about the crimes of the Jews against the United States and the whole world. But hopefully, Fischer Random chess is going to gain a following in the Philippines. I hope we can encourage sponsors and also encourage chess players to get involved.

11:33 Fischer The main point is you get rid of all the rote memorisation. You have 960 positions. One of those 960 positions is old chess, by the way—you could just keep that one in. But all these other 959 positions, they’ve never been explored. And the castling—even though all positions start differently, after you castle, your king and rook end up in the same position as in classical chess. So it has the old chess flavour, but it’s very easy to learn how to castle in Fischer Random. Very simple.

12:41 Fischer The Jews don’t like it, of course. That’s part of why I invented it—because it’s going to make it much harder to cheat.

[Fischer discusses the Seirawan “conversation” at length—reading from No Regrets (pages 297–298), where Seirawan describes a conversation with Fischer about prearrangement of the Karpov–Kasparov matches. Fischer claims this conversation never took place and challenges Seirawan to produce a tape recording.]

13:07 Fischer He said, “I won’t back down.” (laughs) It’s—I just had a conversation. Yeah, I said it also in Yugoslavia. I told these—I mean, these Stefanovićes. I just read a statement which seems to be by the publisher, Magazin Dnes na Šach. I wish I had the statement. He seems to be the publisher of this magazine, Inside Chess, which has now gone out of business. I think it went out of business because a while back, he exposed himself as a secret Jew. There was the word “Jew” in the report he produced on the Bobby Fischer story. He closed down the magazine… and yet he said, “My life was being brought to an ugly conclusion.” Turned out that Inside Chess was brought to an ugly conclusion. Their magazine was brought to an ugly end.

14:05 But now, here’s his statement. When I defended my title against Spassky in 1992 over in Yugoslavia, it was Yasser Seirawan—I mean, Seirawan went over there, with Gordon Gould, of Inside Chess. And then later on, he wrote a book called No Regrets. This book came out December 1992. He wrote a book about the match. And in this book, pages 297 through 298 of his book No Regrets by Yasser Seirawan and George Stefanović, published by International Chess Enterprises, Seattle—it was in No Regrets, which is 1992. He has a conversation with me—an imagined conversation, which never took place. He totally made this up just to make me look like a hypocrite. And in this conversation, he makes it sound like I have tacitly admitted to him, and to others, that some of the charges that the Karpov–Kasparov matches were prearranged are nothing but unfounded.

15:23 I want to read you this conversation. And then I want to challenge this Seirawan about it, okay? This’ll take maybe about ten minutes, although it’s going to pass. It takes one page. But I think this is important, just to show what lengths people will go to, to blackmail me, and how seriously they take it as a threat—to blackmail me. They’re making up a whole conversation.

15:44 Okay, this is page 297 of No Regrets. I’m going to read this—this is an exact quote. “An anecdote. ‘What if he doesn’t play 1. d4?’ Well, the theory that the entire match would have been pre-arranged was abandoned. Bobby disposes that premise, perhaps a step too far. He’s convinced that every move of every game was arranged beforehand. This got us into a hilarious interplay. I played devil’s advocate. ‘Okay, Bob, with the match in the fix, then a tableau of absolute cannibals applies. All players will need a script of the score of the game. Presumably, they have to get the score the night before to give them the chance to memorise the game.’ ”

16:25 Now imagine this. We’re in Moscow, 1985 for the second match. The score is 12–11. That score remains. In the last game, Karpov… actually let’s see, let’s see if I can remember—a win and he clinches his title untied. Now some First Secretary of the Party comes to Karpov’s room. He holds the score of the 24th game. Karpov, growing excited. The secretary pronounces the dreaded words: “I’m sorry to say, Karpov, that you’ll lose the 24th game to the Western member.” Karpov is crestfallen. In his anger, he gives his loyalty to the Party and protests: “Comrade, surely that’s a mistake. I’ve always been a loyal Party member. I’ve been a perfect ambassador for the hammer and sickle. Surely you can’t choose this brash, outspoken youth from the West? There must be a mistake.” “Oh,” his secretary replies, shaking his head, “it’s true, Comrade Karpov. But we’ll be reward—uh, for Comrade Anatoly Yevgenyevich and FIDE. That’s better than the man of tomorrow.”

17:35 So I continue—copping it. There’s poor Karpov having to memorise the script. Now of course he’s thrilled, but as a loyal Party member, he doesn’t… right, and everybody, including Bobby, cracks up laughing. I continue. Now let’s fast-forward this to Seville in 1987. The situation is the same—12–11—but this time Karpov is given the lead. Kasparov has to win to attain his title. Karpov is nervous, and the Party Secretary enters his room with the script for April 21st. Comrade—bad news. The Western member has decided that Karpov should lose, to retain his title. Karpov is just as upset as he gets. He spends an hour in a contest to memorise the game. From the ensuing murmur of Karpov’s whoops of relief can be heard—he gets to win it. But watch this. As both players memorise the script, both see a chance for Karpov to make a similar move and draw the game.

18:30 “I now turn to question Bob: ‘Bob, are we to believe that both Kasparov and Karpov are playing themselves to a drawn position, twisting one another all the way?’ Throughout this whole exchange, there was a lot of banter and laughter as each of us tried to impose on the other what I had explained to him. Bobby was clearly enjoying this image, and he seemed in hiding with what I had suggested. Nevertheless, he stuck to his guns—he thinks that every move of every game had been rigged for the benefit of his belief.”

18:55 This book that he’s referring to is a book I wrote a review on, about the first Karpov–Kasparov match in 1985, but the people at Bekins stole my file on this—it was completely on this prearranged match.

19:12 Okay—so Seirawan is claiming that this conversation took place. This is a very long statement here. Obviously, Seirawan cannot remember any of this. So the only way he possibly knows this conversation took place is if he had a secret tape recorder, right? No other way. I’m not a policeman. I didn’t search him down. I have no way of knowing whether he had a tape recorder or not.

19:45 Okay, so I’m challenging you to come up with a tape of this. You’re a goddamn liar. There was no such conversation. You’re making this up. You’re a lying son of a bitch. You’re a dirty Jew. Your beliefs are obstructions to a truthful account.

19:56 So I’m challenging Seirawan—come up with a tape recording. I had no such conversation with this man. This conversation never took place. He’s lying. Simon Fischer Goldberg—Seirawan—you can come to us, anytime.

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[Continuation. Fischer discusses the Korchnoi–Karpov prearrangement claim again and the Baguio 1978 match.]

00:24 Fischer Seirawan is a Jew. He’s really a Jew.

00:32 Torre So he is a disciple of the Soviet school of chess?

00:38 Fischer He is a disciple of Soviet chess. It’s part of the Botvinnik school of chess.

01:17 Torre And also, you think that the match held here in 1978 in Baguio, the Karpov–Korchnoi match, was fully prearranged? No question about it. That was a disgusting show. We were all taken for a ride.

02:03 Torre I’m going to read this. This is in Inside Chess, September 5, 1994. This is an interview with Victor Korchnoi, conducted by Jules Roche. He goes, “I think I understand more of the game,” and then he just came right out and said it.

02:34 Torre And in it, he says: “Do you know that my match against Karpov in Merano, 1981, was fully prearranged at the highest political level of the Soviet Union? This can be testified to by official documents of the KGB, the secret police of the Soviet Union.”

02:45 Fischer I would like to see those documents published.

03:27 Fischer Now, when I told people this years ago—at the time when Korchnoi was playing Karpov, these matches—people were just laughing in my face. I remember I told one Jew that the match between Karpov and Korchnoi was prearranged. What did he say to me? “I don’t understand. I don’t get it.” He pretended like my statement was just so off the wall that he couldn’t comprehend it—as if I was saying something just too absurd.

04:25 Torre So, the Chess Olympiad is soon to be held. What do you think of it?

04:30 Fischer Well, I’m not very interested. The point is, when you play a match against another player, it’s all about total control. The team events are much harder to fix.

05:08 Mercado There’s another question, sir—one of our staff here. This young woman in the back.

05:21 Questioner Good evening. I’m from the United States. I have some questions. First, have you been married, sir?

05:38 Fischer No.

05:41 Questioner Oh, you haven’t yet? And how do you find Filipino people?

05:47 Fischer Well, very nice, yes.

05:55 Questioner Do you have any students?

06:00 Fischer No. Not otherwise. No.

06:05 Questioner Okay, that’s all. Thank you very much.

06:11 Fischer Okay, well, we’re going to wind up here. This is going to take a few minutes because I wanted to explain something. If you listen to my interviews, I gave a lot of interviews, and I was always saying this—telling everybody that the United States government was behind it. Also, that Bekins is owned by the Rothschilds, more or less, and that the name “Rockefeller” is the Rothschilds used as camouflage.

07:18 Okay, I’ve been saying this over and over again, but you say it’s all nonsense, what I’m saying. Now, I just want to play these tapes, which take about six minutes, and then I want to read a very sensational news story from a Japanese newspaper about June 25, 2000.

07:39 These excerpts are from about between, starting in 1999, early 1999, and the last excerpt was January 19, 2000. The last program was January 19, 2000, on Pablo Mercado’s program.

[08:00–14:25 Tapes of earlier Bombo Radyo interviews are played; intermittent eerie sound effects and instrumental music. Most machine transcripts loop badly through this stretch.]

14:27 Fischer Okay, that’s it. Now, all of you who heard these on Bombo Radio, on Pablo Mercado’s program—the last program was January 19, 2000. Okay, now, you said everything I’m saying is all nonsense, right? You see, it’s all ridiculous. I’m using the same excuse.

14:58 Okay, now, here is an article from the Daily Yomiuri, June 25, 2000, and this is taken from The Independent newspaper—that’s a British newspaper. The headline is: “Bill Clinton and a village near Oxford: Is this an inappropriate relationship?” And the article is written by Cahal Milmo. I didn’t mean this is the first column—this is the most important columnist.

15:35 Fischer reads “Oxfordshire mansion for retiring head of global superpower considered. Return to creamy spires of Christ Church considered. President Bill Clinton, whose tenure at the White House ends in six months, is said to be searching for a British pied-à-terre as a base for a post-political career on the lecture circuit. At the top of the shopping list are, of course, the chocolate-box villages around Oxford, where Mr. Clinton famously did not inhale while a Rhodes Scholar. Now, the president has been linked to his English alma mater recently by suggestion that Oxford would appoint him as a visiting professor when it reopens its Rothermere American Institute next year. The university, which has made no secret of its interest in high-profile lecturers, would neither confirm nor deny whether William Jefferson Clinton would be added to its payroll.”

16:55 Fischer So this is all in the news stage, and it came out June 25, 2000. Now, how could I possibly have known about this back in January 19, 2000? And it turns out, yes, indeed, as I’m saying—Clinton personally authorized the robbery of my stuff at Bekins, which I’m saying is owned by the Rothschilds. And I’m saying the “Rockefellers” is the name of the Rothschilds, just as a camouflage.

17:21 And now it turns out, yes, there is a connection between Clinton and the Rockefellers/Rothschilds—but, of course, they put him in after he leaves the White House. So, what are the chances of my accusing Clinton and the Rothschilds of being in on this robbery, and then suddenly, six months later, he’s working for them? What are the chances of this being a coincidence? Zero. So then it’s a fact.

17:57 Torre Bobby, why don’t you enlighten our listeners about the belongings you have lost in the Bekins storage company? Maybe you can…

18:09 Fischer Well, it’s no wonder I’m stammering a little bit, because I can never seem to get the words together. But we’re talking at least 150 to 200 boxes of stuff. And these are not what he talks about as chocolate boxes—these are not chocolate boxes, these are real moving boxes packed full of papers, books, all kinds of belongings. Plus a 2,000-pound safe with floor combination locks, three or four combination locks, and time-locks, so that I could set it—I myself couldn’t open it for a few days or a week, so if somebody tried to force me to open it, I could say, “Well, sometimes I can’t open it.” They still wouldn’t be able to open it.

18:58 Plus, twenty file cabinets, jam-packed full of documents and other belongings. And one of those file cabinets had another safe—a hidden safe in the first drawer, also with a combination lock. A combination lock to get into the first drawer, another combination lock to get into the safe. And as I say, this safe in the file cabinet weighs more than the whole file cabinet—it’s very heavy. And then another file cabinet jam-packed full of papers and lots of free-standing stuff—things like bags, statuettes, moulds of silver dollars, cash, chess sets, wooden chess sets, pocket chess sets, magnetic chess sets, gypsum chess sets, photos, plan layouts, chips, mixer’s components, game scores…

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[Fischer discusses the Bekins robbery at length, the game scores stolen, and the systematic exploitation of his name, copyrights, and trademarks.]

00:00 Fischer I have game scores—plus I have copies of game scores. I have all my game scores from my matches—’72, every single tournament and match. I got all my game scores, exhibition game scores—all of this has been stolen from me with the blessings of the US government. There’s no question the US government is behind this.

01:11 Fischer I’ve caught these fuckers red-handed, and what happens? They’ve got all this stuff, and they’re laughing. What they want to do is just turn this story into some kind of a laughing matter. See? And if they had a radio presenter who was on their side, I’d get cut right off. I wouldn’t get on the air. And they’re in a very bad spot. I caught them red-handed. I even have photocopies of the cheques that I sent to my agent to pay the storage, for ten years. Suddenly all this stuff is not mine anymore? I paid the storage for over ten years.

01:54 I don’t even need to use the cheap conspiracies from Bob Ellsworth and the US government. Everybody knows it. It’s not even a mystery, it’s obvious. So this is just one of many crimes. There’s this whole Searching for Bobby Fischer thing, which is earning them tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars, all based on my name and based on film of me. I got nothing. Just one thing after another. The book My 60 Memorable Games—they’re not even paying me any royalties. The Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess CD-ROM that’s come out by Learning International. Everything was taken away. Just one crime against me after another.

02:55 This mega-robbery—this is one of the biggest robberies, if not the biggest robbery, in the history of the United States. And this is all behind my back. It took thirty years to put this stuff together. Stuff from all over the world. Stuff from the Philippines, private photos of President Marcos—just everything. Photo albums, video albums, video, everything. Recordings, books—thousands of books. And now they’re selling just one of these books for thousands of dollars.

04:02 Fischer It’s a big robbery. The US government is behind it. And it’s all part of a systematic plan by the Jews for total robbery. They rob people of their money. They rob people of their property rights. They even rob my name. They’re going about this systematically. They’re robbing me of my belongings, they’re robbing me of my property rights, they’re using and robbing my name.

04:27 The same government that wants to put me in prison for ten years—Learning International, which is a Time Incorporated subsidiary, has trademarked “Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess.” So they’ve come out with a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess CD-ROM, a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess line—anything with my name on it. And they give me nothing. We owe you nothing. It’s totally illegal.

04:41 They come out with a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess clock, a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess line of clothing, a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess computer—anything they want, whatever they please. They’ve come out with a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess key ring. And they give me nothing. See, it’s all totally illegal, and all of this is being done by the Jews and organised World Jewry.

05:38 Questioner So, obviously, since you claim that the US government is behind all this, and that the global Jewry that controls the US government has the highest occupation government in the United States of America—the US government is not only not protecting you, they’re even trying to harass you, and now they also rob you. Right? That’s incredible. For a world chess champion?

06:19 Fischer Right. So if I take you to chess, I expose them for cheating in chess, I expose them for being criminals, I expose the fact that the Holocaust never happened—it’s just too much, it’s just too much.

06:29 Questioner All this, just for a chess player?

06:39 Fischer And it’s a danger to the world. The Jews are persecuting not just me—they’re persecuting the world. They’re persecuting all the non-Jews.

06:53 Questioner Something very interesting—inside the pizzeria here, in the ’70s, your name was painted there as a hero.

06:57 Fischer Of course, of course. Sure. The Jews want to take credit for all the intelligentsia of the world. It’s very important to the Jews that people think they are the best in chess, the best musicians, the best writers. Because a lot of people are resentful that the Jews have so much money. So the Jews say, “No, the reason the Rothschilds are so rich, the reason the Jews are so rich, is because we’re so smart.” But it’s not smarts—it’s through crookedness, through lies, through all kinds of cheating.

08:02 “Not because we’re crooks, not because we steal, not because we lie, not because we made up the Holocaust, not because we prearrange in chess. We’re so smart.” You see? That’s the lie that they want people to think—that they’re very smart, that’s how they got all this money. You see?

08:19 Questioner They did nothing but manipulate these dirty posh lawyers, didn’t they, sir? They use it to throw people off the wall, isn’t it?

08:22 Fischer These are going on the internet. I hope they go all around the world. I can’t get on the air anywhere else.

08:45 Fischer I like this broadcast format, I think it’s important. The human voice going out over the radio. But I’m also trying to get on the air in other countries. I can’t. I got one interview in Hungary, I got cut off after about fifteen minutes. I got on the air in Iceland—that was just two months ago, in the summer of 2000.

08:51 What happened was, I was in Japan and I was listening to the radio, and the president of Iceland came on. This was summer of 2000, and he started talking very well of me. He was on US Armed Forces Radio in Japan, talking about this match—it was very highly amusing. He talked about me for a couple of minutes, just spoke very highly of me. He said, “This is a young man with a past,” et cetera.

09:23 So after he gave the interview, I got his number in Iceland. I called up the president of Iceland and I explained the situation to him—how the Jews refused to give me an airing, and how the US government had persecuted me and put me in prison, and how the Holocaust didn’t happen, et cetera. And he acted kind of nervous, and he said, “Well, we’re a democracy here in Iceland. I can’t tell the press what to do. I’ll pass along your wishes to them.” Okay, so we’ll let you on the radio and talk to them. So I gave them Eugene’s fax number to the press so that they could contact Eugene, but no one ever contacted me from Iceland.

10:10 So even the president of countries can’t get me on the radio, because the Rothschilds are such world rulers. They have such an influence on the media all over the world. Turner—I don’t know whether he’s a Jew or not, but I think he’s a punk, basically. But anyhow, I didn’t get a response to that, basically.

10:29 Questioner Are you going into the storage business yourself, sir? Obviously, there are infinite opportunities.

10:36 Fischer I hope so. I hope so. Yeah. I want to get it on the internet, sure. See it floating around the world.

10:44 Questioner We’re privileged, sir, that you have yet another chance to be interviewed within the program. Maybe see what you have to say to the authorities in Iceland.

10:56 Fischer To the Jews in Iceland? Okay. Well, first of all, I better get some water.

11:16 Fischer So—all these accusations that were made regarding Clinton and the US government being in on this robbery, that were called nonsense—it turns out they were based on facts.

12:00 Fischer Now, this is a book by Elie Agur, Bobby Fischer: A Study of His Approach to Chess, foreword by Garry Kasparov—and by the way, Garry Kasparov’s real name is Garry Weinstein. The author is a Jew, the publisher is Jewish—the foreword is by Kasparov-Weinstein. And, okay, I want to get into one particular portion, which is really very, very vicious.

12:22 In addition to everything else they stole, they stole a lot of my original game scores and original carbon copies of my game scores. I’m sure already there are hundreds of falsifications of my game scores. Now, by stealing my game scores, since I don’t have them, they have in their hands original documents that they can do whatever they want with. They can suppress games, they can change the scores of games, whatever it is. They can do whatever they please.

12:57 Okay, let me give you an idea of how important these documents are to chess matters. This is all very personal stuff they stole. So they have every possibility to invade my privacy, to falsify whatever they want.

14:00 Fischer Let me just read what he says, leading up to this forgery—how he builds up to this portrait. This is a chapter from the book. This is page 237. The chapter is called “Misplaying Won Positions.”

14:21 “Somehow, the fact that Fischer was prone to losing concentration once he reached a won position went unnoticed throughout his career. A single exception was probably Larry Evans’s”—that’s another Jew—“comment on Fischer’s play against Taimanov in their Candidates 1971 match: ‘The main weakness he displayed was a tendency to relax once he wrested the advantage.’ As the saying goes, there is nothing more difficult than winning a won position, and indeed some of Fischer’s gravest mistakes were made in won positions through obvious lapses of concentration.”

14:59 “Against Sarapu, Sousse 1967, he had (as White) two (!) ways to force immediate mate (Pos. 298). The first was mate in three: 29. Qg5+ f6 30. Qg8, and 31. Qe8/Qf8 is mate. The other was mate in four: 29. Qf8+ Kf6 30. Rd7 Kg6 (30… e5 31. Qh6 mate) 31. Qxf7+ Kh6 32. Qxh7 mate. Instead of these, he slid his rook one square to the right (29. Re8+??) and… Sarapu resigned!” Okay—now he gives this position here.

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[Two readings of Pos. 298. Left: the position as it appears in Agur (p. 237) and in every other contemporaneous record (Wade 1968 & 1972, Chess Digest 1968, modern databases): reached by 23. a3 Qc4 24. Qf3 Qb3 25. Qg4+ Kf8 26. Rd8+ Rxd8 27. Rxd8+ Ke7 28. Qg8 f5. Right: the alternative continuation 23. a3 Qc4 24. Qf3 Rb5 25. Qg4+ Kf8 26. Rd8+ Rxd8 27. Rxd8+ Ke7 28. Qg8 f5. From move 25 onward both lines have identical moves. In the left-hand position, Stockfish gives 29. Qf8+ as mate in seven—so 29. Re8+ as played is a missed forced mate. In the right-hand position, 29. Re8+ is the clean best move and there is no faster mate to miss.]

15:12 Fischer Why don’t you read the position he gives?

15:18 [Torre] Okay. The position he gives—White king on c1; White rook on d8; White queen on g8; White pawns on a3, b2, c3, f4, g3, and h2.

15:41 [Torre] Black king on e7; black rook on a5; black queen on b3; black pawns on a7, b7, e6, f7, f5, and h7.

16:06 Fischer That’s almost the position they show in the book.

16:11 Fischer Okay, now—just what happened after. After they robbed all my stuff, it was easy. I had some storage in New York also. I don’t know whether I got all of that or not, but anyway, I got about thirty boxes out of there. I don’t know if it’s complete what I got—I haven’t actually been through it.

16:36 Fischer But the point is, it just so happens I went through those belongings, and I found a carbon copy of my game with Sarapu. Sarapu Sousse it’s this game.

16:55 Fischer Yeah. This is the carbon copy. This is a photocopy of my carbon copy.

17:02 [Torre] Of your writing?

17:05 Fischer Yes, the writing of the game.

17:07 [Torre] Okay.

17:08 Fischer And it turned out that this position is false. Now, if I hadn’t had this carbon copy, I would have no way of defending myself from this malicious charge. Look at the moves that he claimed I played.

17:22 [Torre] He claims you played Re8 check.

17:28 Fischer Re8? Oh, that’s right. He claimed I played Re8 check.

17:38 [Torre] All right. Rook e8 check. That’s the move he claims.

17:49 Fischer The point is, all of this is rubbish, because this is not the correct position in the diagram—diagram 298—that they’re claiming.

17:58 Fischer The real position was… black rook on a5… and then taking on a5… it was e5… and the black piece moved to e5… and then taking the piece on e3… and then back to e4. [Audio extremely poor; Fischer’s description here cannot be parsed into any coherent chess continuation—the squares e5, e3, e4 are all empty in Agur’s position 298 and no piece reaches them in any reasonable line. Only “black rook on a5” matches the actual diagram.]

18:09 [Torre/Tucet] One could grasp… on a5… or b5… the sequence from e3 to c4? Maybe a rotation, switching of these—

18:13 [Fischer/Torre] Yes… where is it…

18:18 Fischer Yeah—they’re falsifying the facts. But it just so happens I have those documents. And this is one of the main reasons they robbed my stuff: they have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of my documents—a whole room full of my belongings, which I’d saved up over thirty years.

18:42 [Torre/Tucet] So this rook—between d8 and h1… this is the move?

18:46 [Fischer] Look at this move—where does it say this is a rook? I thought the white piece that moved was the queen.

18:57 [Fischer] He moved the queen, then the rook between [something]. And I said, “Move knight forward check,” and so on.

19:03 [Torre/Tucet] Qc4?

19:10 [Fischer] Oh, that… he put there a long time ago. But that was earlier. Anyway, I’ll show you when he puts the queen on c4.

19:25 [Fischer] That was on move 23. I played a3—he played queen c4.

19:30 [Torre/Tucet] He’s got a move on h3?

19:32 [Fischer] I play h3, he plays Qc4. I played 24, queen f3, and then he played rook c5, and so on.

19:42 Fischer So this falsification—total disrespect for my play, what he said. He was really making fun of me, rubbing it in. He offered his false indication. He literally—I feel he had total disrespect for my play. He knew what he said. He was really making fun of me. He was lulling me in, as if he really believes that I made this falsification to try and make him look like a jerk.

[Editor’s note: the audio is very poor and the live reading of the diagram drifts off the actual squares more than once; the bracketed squares above are filled in from the book rather than from the audio, where the machine transcripts disagree. The game is Fischer–Sarapu, Sousse Interzonal 1967, round 5 (21 October 1967): a French Defence (Burn Variation) that went 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nbd7 6. Nxf6+ Nxf6 7. Nf3 c5 8. Bb5+ Bd7 9. Bxd7+ Qxd7 10. Qe2 cxd4 11. O-O-O Bc5 12. Qe5 Be7 13. Nxd4 Rc8 14. f4 O-O 15. Nf5 Qc7 16. Nxe7+ Qxe7 17. Rd2 Rc5 18. Bxf6 gxf6 19. Qe3 Rfc8 20. Rhd1 Qc7 21. c3 Rf5 22. g3 Ra5 23. a3 Qc4 24. Qf3 Qb3 25. Qg4+ Kf8 26. Rd8+ Rxd8 27. Rxd8+ Ke7 28. Qg8 f5 29. Re8+ 1–0. Diagram 298 in Agur shows the position after 28… f5, which is the position reproduced above.]

[On Fischer’s “falsification” / “carbon copy” claim: the published game score is stable.
(i) Chess Digest Magazine, vol. 1 (1968), published only months after the Sousse Interzonal, records “28 Q-N8 P-B4 29 R-K8+” in descriptive notation (books.google.com/Chess_Digest_Magazine);
(ii) R. G. Wade, Interzonal Chess Tournament: Sousse 1967 (The Chess Player, Nottingham, 1968)—the official tournament book, written immediately after the event by the British IM and tournament chronicler (WorldCat 905412444);
(iii) R. G. Wade & K. J. O’Connell, The Games of Robert J. Fischer (Batsford, 1972), p. 392—reproduces the game with “28 Q-N8 P-B4 29 R-K8+ 1–0” and gives clock times “(1.34–2.19)” meaning Fischer used 1 h 34 min, Sarapu 2 h 19 min (ISBN 0-7134-0370-5);
(iv) modern game databases give the identical 29-move score: chessgames.com gid 1163055, 365chess.com gid 2608569, PGN Mentor (Fischer.pgn), and chesstempo.com gid 2779365.

The more interesting reading. The official record is 24… Qb3; Fischer’s alternative is 24… Rb5. Moves 25–29 are then identical in both readings. In the published position 29. Re8+ misses forced mates (e.g. 29. Qf8+), whereas in Fischer’s alternative position 29. Re8+ is the unambiguously best move—no forced mate exists. So if this reconstruction is accurate, his play in the actual game was correct rather than a blunder; Agur’s whole “Misplaying Won Positions” diagnosis would then rest on an error in the source score (with the wrong move on move 24).]

[Modern engine analysis (Stockfish) gives: 29. Qg5+ is mate in 13, not three—Agur’s intended line 29. Qg5+ f6 30. Qg8 fails to 30… Qd1+\; 29. Qf8+ is mate in seven, not four, and Agur’s 30. Rd7 isn’t even the best move, 30. Re8 is the only move which mates in 6; and Fischer’s actual move 29. Re8+ evaluates at +7.14 (winning, not mate): 29. Re8+ Kd6 30. Qxf7 Rb5 31. Qe7+ Kc6 32. Qxe6+…. Agur’s specific “mate in 3 / mate in 4” claims are both refuted by the engine.]

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[Final segment. Fischer continues defending his play in the Sarapu game from f_13_4 before moving on to game-score falsification more generally, the Dubrovnik chess set, and Bekins. Torre and Tucet give closing remarks.]

00:00 Fischer They’re making it look like I made a simple mistake, which I didn’t. But I won the game. And this is an analysis of the line, by the way—because in this position, he says I had two finishes: one was queen g5 check, and the other was queen f8 check, king h8, rook g7. Both of these, he says, are the variations of the line.

00:28 The right one—in this position, which never occurs in the game—the right move is queen f8 check, king f6. That’s the right one. How can queen f8 check be the move? It’s the first move of the [unclear]…

00:44 But this is a very, very vicious falsification. And they’ve already been neutralising all the hundreds of falsifications of my games. They’ve already made thousands upon thousands of proven falsifications of my notes in My 60 Memorable Games. Now they’re going to totally destroy my reputation by warring the poor reader of my actual game theory. I’m saying to you, with documents, letters, everything—they will totally destroy my reputation for all time.

01:30 They’re vicious, vicious rats. The only reason people have any respect for them at all is because the industry’s full of Jews, and they’re writing their own favourable history. They’re absolute rats in every way. They made up the whole… they’re not the big clowns you always hear about. They’re really a vicious force.

01:52 And this book is totally Jewish. The authors are Jews, the four of them who [put it together]—they’re Jews—and the publishers, this Cadogan Books, are all affiliated with Maxwell—this Jew who supposedly died on a yacht in Geneva, if you remember that. So this is the complete catalogue of chess books, which includes Pergamon, Macmillan, and Maxwell Macmillan Chess. So you have the publishers, the Jewish, who is Maxwell–Pergamon. And you have the author, who is an Israeli Jew, I understand, who lives in Holland, which is verification in itself—he’s a Jew from Israel. He’s a brute, and he’s being made a fool of by a Jew, Garry Kasparov, who wrote the foreword.

[Editor’s note on Fischer’s publishing-chain claim: the names Fischer is groping for are real and genuinely connected, but his geography for Maxwell’s death is wrong. Robert Maxwell founded Pergamon Press in 1948. After acquiring Macmillan Publishing in 1988 he ran his trade-publishing operations, including the chess list, under the Maxwell Macmillan brand—hence “Maxwell Macmillan Chess.” Maxwell drowned on 5 November 1991 from his yacht Lady Ghislaine—but off the Canary Islands in the Atlantic, not in Geneva, as Fischer says. After Maxwell’s death his empire collapsed; in July 1992 a consortium led by Malcolm Pein bought the chess imprint and renamed it Cadogan Chess Books—which is the imprint Agur’s 1992 book carries on its cover. So Fischer is correct that Cadogan is the direct continuation of Maxwell’s chess publishing, and “the four of them who put it together” may refer to the small editorial team behind the Cadogan relaunch.]

02:48 So anytime you see the Jews at work again, trying to totally ruin the game. Anybody who’s close to the truth, they never understand this kind of thing. An absolutely vicious portrait. There’s no question who to believe.

03:07 Also, another point—how the hell am I going to play out the next half of this game if I haven’t got the score? I had gone for an hour and 34 minutes on this game, so I had almost an hour left for another move. And it was an easy ending to this position—not in the real game, but in the falsification. In the real game, as I said, the queen moves off c4 [24… Qb3], the rook moves off the back rank, queen off c4, the black bishop on b5 [evidently a mis-hearing or mis-memory: no bishops are on the board by move 29; Fischer probably means the Black queen on b3], I win with rook e8 check, which is the right move. However, if you play it the way they suggest, then you lose the game—you lose the right force.

03:30 [Fischer continues] The queen was on c4, the rook was on b5, the rook was on d5, the rook was on a7… and the queen was on b1… [the squares Fischer dictates here do not correspond to any pieces in the diagrammed position; the audio across all four machine transcripts is too poor to recover what he is trying to say. Probable mishearings: “queen on b3” for “b1,” “rook on a5” for “a7,” etc.]

03:44 So this is perfectly normal for me, perfectly logical, but they don’t want you to see that. They just say, “Ah, queen f8 check all the time.”

03:47 Torre So, since they have stolen many of your original game scores, there is a danger that they might change the moves in the games that they will publish?

03:55 Fischer Right—the original scores, the original carbon copies. In this game we’re not talking about a scoresheet, but a carbon copy.

04:29 The danger is there. They will falsify in every way. So now it’s very hard for me to prove them wrong. Because I don’t have my originals. I never claimed an infallible memory.

04:50 Torre You still remember the games?

04:52 Fischer Oh, I remember the games, but when you see the published score go wrong, and you see people remember the book—what do I remember? I remember what I saw in the book. And it’s very frustrating.

05:34 Fischer This is how vicious it is, how dangerous it is, for the Jews to steal people’s belongings. Just one piece of paper can be sold for thousands of dollars. Just my scoresheet in my handwriting—it’s fantastic what they’re worth. And I can’t get any of this stuff back. It’s going to turn out eventually that this stuff is worth more than the entire Bekins corporation put together. And that’s a multi-billion-dollar corporation. They’ve got branches in Budapest, they’re all over the world.

07:04 Tucet We’re going to have to end this interview. Bobby, if you’re travelling to Tokyo—will you extend some more time for us?

07:45 Fischer The Jews are persecuting the world. They’re persecuting all the non-Jews.

08:07 Questioner As a chess player, I think that you are the first and only American World Champion.

08:19 Fischer Well, before me, there was Paul Morphy. He was also world champion. He’s the first American world champion.

08:38 Questioner But you are the official American who was recognised as World Champion.

08:48 Fischer This conspiracy—this huge conspiracy against Paul Morphy, he has no stamp. Actors, comedians—nobody compares to Paul Morphy. He never got a stamp. Obviously, the Jews don’t want a non-Jewish American chess hero.

09:36 Torre I’m the president of the National Chess Federation of the Philippines. We recognise Fischer Random chess. Is there anything you would like to say?

09:40 Fischer I’m glad. And hopefully we can get Fischer Random started here in the Philippines. I’d like to invite everybody to get involved, because this is the game that everybody will enjoy. And it is a very fair and just game—because now it’s not about memorisation of all these computer openings. It’s about real skill and creativity. And I’d like to take this opportunity to thank Bombo Radio for giving me a chance to be in the studio.

10:51 Torre Yes. I’d like to take this opportunity to thank Bombo Radio for giving us this chance. And since the NCFP is the sole governing chess body here in the country, I think it’s only fitting that we should add Fischer Random to our calendar.

11:34 Fischer Yeah, I agree with that. Hopefully we’ll all sign up.

11:41 Torre And I’d like to say this also—that it’s ironic, you know.

11:45 Torre It’s ironic—Bobby Fischer is the only American World Champion—well, he corrected me, Paul Morphy was also world champion—but he’s the only one who defeated the Russian monopoly of the World Chess Championship. And instead of the United States of America protecting him, embracing him, giving him honour—on the contrary, they are really making his life very difficult.

13:02 Torre I think we are very much privileged to have had this conversation. And again, thank you to DWCM for organising.

13:20 Tucet I’m here with our own Grandmaster Eugene Torre, Grandmaster of Asia. That was our live interview. Our guests today are Sir Bobby Fischer and Sir Eugene Torre. Thank you for coming.

14 Baguio, Philippines, September 18, 2000 ↑

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[Pablo Mercado hosts on Bombo Radio, Baguio. Fischer is in the studio with GM Eugene Torre. This broadcast includes a new panellist: Vincent Cabreza, correspondent for the Philippine Daily Inquirer.]

03:19 Mercado This is our Monday edition. So I’m live in our evening programme, and of course with your host, Pablo Mercado. We have with us tonight, once more, the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer, of course accompanied by Eugene Torre, Asia’s first Grandmaster. We’ll be talking about all the issues regarding the US government and the Jews.

03:55 It is also our honour to have with us as a member of the panel tonight, Mr. Vincent Cabreza, correspondent of the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the most popular newspaper in the Philippines today.

04:37 Fischer I want to thank this network for letting me on so many times. I think you’re the only one who really believes in freedom of speech.

04:51 Mercado Of course, Eugene Torre is also with us tonight. Eugene, would you like to say a few words? Go ahead.

04:54 Torre (in Tagalog) I’ll speak in Tagalog because this is all English. Good evening to all of you, to all of our listeners. Bobby said he is also thankful, and we are thankful to Bombo Radio, because this is what proves that there is free freedom of expression here, free press or whatever. And Bobby and I are thankful to Bombo Radio, and I hope you like it and that we’ll be together tonight. Thanks again, Pablo.

05:40 Mercado Okay. Maybe I’ll just ask you, Bob—how has it been since our last interview? You’ve been in Baguio for—

05:48 Fischer I’ve been here a few weeks. We went down to one of the sister stations and did a programme there about a couple of weeks ago, ten days ago or so.

06:00 Mercado A month. And that’s been about it. Have you had the chance of meeting other members of the press aside from those with Bombo Radio?

06:09 Fischer No. I don’t want to meet members of the press except in the radio format. They have a nasty tendency to switch things around.

06:22 Mercado You’re hurting Mr. Vincent here from the newspaper.

06:25 Fischer There’s nothing personal. Just talking in general. I’ve had so many bad experiences with newspaper people and magazines.

06:51 I’ll tell you one experience I had a long time ago. This was with Esquire magazine. This was back in the ’60s. I was really young—still a teenager, early twenties. And he invited me over to the Algonquin Hotel, which was a very “in” hotel for business people. So Esquire, one of the biggest men’s magazines from the US—I went to meet him. No charge or anything.

07:28 And I met him in the lobby of the hotel. We sat down in the very plush lobby with the sofas. So he takes out his notebook and starts to ask me some questions. And I answer. This went on for maybe three or four minutes, and then he snaps his notebook shut. I said, “That’s all? Interview’s over?” He said, “I can’t do this.” I said, “What do you mean you can’t do this? I want to be in Esquire.” And he said, “The people at Esquire told me you’re a horrible person, and I should do a hatchet job on you. I just can’t go through with it. You’re a normal person. I can’t do this to you. Goodbye.”

08:28 That is the absolute truth.

08:32 Torre Was he Jewish?

08:39 Fischer That’s a good question. I doubt it very much. I’m pretty sure he had a Canadian accent. He was definitely not American.

08:49 Mercado I would like to turn over the microphone to Vince Cabreza of the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

09:01 Cabreza Good evening. I’m interested in the way you see the Philippines right now. I mean, this is a country which made a big deal out of kicking out the US bases. And considering the fact that you right now are a fugitive—what are your reflections about the Philippines?

09:30 Fischer Oh, well, I’m very happy you kicked the US out. This was the right move. Definitely the right move. But I’m unhappy about this Visiting Forces Agreement that Estrada made with the US. This is definitely the wrong way to go. Because you give the US an inch, they’ll take a mile. You did a wonderful thing to kick them out. You set a really good example for other countries—South Korea, Japan—and I just hope you don’t let them back again.

09:53 The US is a criminal country. The US talks about rogue regimes and rogue countries. I got news for you: the US is the rogue country.

10:12 I played a match in Yugoslavia, a World Chess Championship match against Boris Spassky in 1992. And before I played the match, I got a warning letter from the US government—they said that this was President Bush had signed an executive order, 12810, dated June 5, 1992, and that it was illegal for me to play this projected match with Spassky. But I went ahead and played it. And then I spat on the letter at the press conference. I didn’t spit on the letter they sent me—I spat on a fax. So I didn’t spit on US government property.

11:38 And then after I played the match—the match ended around November 2 or so, 1992—and then on December 15, 1992, I was indicted. And the same day, December 15, 1992, the US government—the federal government—issued an arrest warrant in my name. So they’re very serious. They want to put me in prison for ten years.

12:56 I think I’m the only person they’ve ever indicted on this law, because the Jews totally control the US. The US government is a façade. There is no US government as people think of it. It’s just a puppet in the Jews’ hands. It’s a plaything for the Jews.

13:10 Now, it used to be the Jews were sort of hiding in the background a little bit, but under the Clinton administration, they’ve come right out in the open. They’ve got all the top positions openly now.

13:22 Cabreza So you’re saying that things will continue worse, with Nazi rule?

13:27 Fischer Yeah, yeah, right. It’s even gotten worse with Bush, and Bush was bad enough. I was indicted under the Bush administration, but it was bad enough under Bush. He was totally controlled by the Jews.

13:44 Cabreza Well, with the US elections—are you expecting different things to happen?

13:50 Fischer No. Absolutely not. I’m expecting worse things to happen. The Jews’ grip on the US is getting tighter and tighter every day. They’ve made countless billions and trillions with Hollywood, the movie industry, the press, banking. And now they’re making more countless billions with this internet revolution.

14:43 Fischer I played great chess in 1992. I wouldn’t mind if they wanted to put me in prison if I played bad chess. Put me in jail for playing bad chess, but not for playing great chess.

15:03 Cabreza That means that you would never set foot on the US soil?

15:07 Fischer Well, I’m hoping for a revolution there, and that the Jews will get kicked out of power and get wiped out. I’d like to see a whole lot of top Jews get executed. Certainly the many tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of Jews should be executed in the US, and the rest should go to some kind of concentration camp to be re-educated. However long it takes—if it takes ten years, twenty years, just keep them in there until they learn some morals, learn about decency and honesty, and about work.

15:42 The Jews don’t like to work. That’s one of the things the Jews hated so much about Hitler’s concentration camps. There were no gas chambers, that’s just a lie—but when you went into the camp there was a big sign that said Arbeit macht frei, which means “work makes you free.” And the Jews don’t believe in that. They believe you do all the work and they get all the benefits. They hate work. This is the real problem with the Jews. They don’t like work. They are soft, flabby. If you look even at the young Israeli soldiers—they’re soft, even when they’re in their teens, early 20s, because they’re simply not used to work. Jews are not used to manual labour. They’re parasites, and they’ve been parasites for thousands of years.

16:31 Well, I wish—maybe I said too few, 200,000. Maybe millions of them should be executed. (laughs) No, all the rest and all the other tens of millions should go to re-education camps, kind of like the way they did in Red China, until they learn something, until they accept Christ and decency and admit the error of their ways.

17:00 The world is in a terrible shape because of the Jews. They’re driving the world toward extinction with all the atom bombs and missiles and nuclear power plants. And now, of course, they’re into genetic engineering, which will just totally erase life as we know it, if it continues. There’s just no end to this genetic engineering. They can start mixing fish with humans, anything’s possible. It’s total madness, and this is just the beginning. This has to be stopped. I think Prince Charles of England made a couple of very good speeches attacking genetic engineering, but the press ridiculed even him—Prince Charles got ridiculed. So, the Jews have to be stopped. They have to be kicked out of power. They’re a criminal people. They’re totally insane. They mutilate their children. It just tells you right there that they’re crazy.

17:52 They mutilate their children, their male babies, on the eighth day. Now, I could start a religion—let’s call it “Bobo”—and then my god tells me I have a right to cut off my little girl’s feet, let’s say. Or somebody else has the right to cut off their baby’s toe. They have absolutely no right to do it. The only reason people let them get away with it is because they’ve been doing it for so long and they’re so goddamn powerful. This is really criminal. Just one thing tells you right there that the Jews are bastards—you don’t have to look any further. Now, they’ve even created all kinds of nonsense surrounding it—that it’s beneficial. No, it’s bullshit. It is not beneficial. It is very, very harmful. It is harmful physically, it is harmful mentally, it is harmful every way.

18:49 And these Jews are vicious. When I talked to a Jew I used to know when I was a boy—he was a friend of mine, Jackie—he was telling me how he was circumcised, of course, and telling me about the experience he had when his little baby brother was circumcised. And he told me, “Bobby, it was horrible.” Said the rabbi came, he had filthy hands. He described the whole thing. He was still traumatised by it fifteen years later. So these Jews have to be stopped. They have to be stopped from mutilating their own children.

19:46 I read all of the Philippine newspapers—the Star, the Bulletin. They’re all great. All great columnists. Brilliant with words, well-read, knowledgeable, intelligent. But the one weakness they have is they don’t know very much about the Jews. This is the one gap in their knowledge.

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00:00 Fischer —brilliant with words, brilliant not just with words, but they’re well-read, they’re knowledgeable, they’re intelligent. But the one weakness they have is they don’t know very much about the Jews. This is the one hole, the gap in their knowledge.

00:12 Mercado And this is part of your campaign, I take it?

00:15 Fischer Well, no, I mean, I’m here in the Philippines—I want to help the Filipinos, but I want to get the message out there too. I want them to know all over the world, not just the Philippines, of course.

00:28 Mercado Mr. Fischer, why did you move to the Worldwide Church of God then?

00:31 Fischer Well, I wasn’t with them. I was following some of their teachings for a time. I was never a member.

00:38 Mercado What has changed, then, on the way you see things?

00:50 Fischer Oh, that was a long time ago. I’ve been completely out of that for, oh, maybe over twenty years now. Over twenty-five years even.

01:17 Mercado This one, regarding the letter to FIDE reportedly that came from you. Can you tell me all about this?

01:35 Fischer Yes, Pablo. As you know, we’ve done a lot of programmes together, and I should have gotten around to this letter before. It is really important.

02:07 Fischer We decided that FIDE was totally corrupt. And in about 1995, I believe, Campomanes resigned from the presidency.

02:27 Torre And then Ilyumzhinov took over. He is the President of Kalmykia—this is a republic inside Russia.

02:43 Fischer Anyway, in 1996, they had an election. He was never really elected—he was just appointed when Campomanes resigned. So in 1996 he wanted to get elected for a two-year term, because Campomanes had been president for about a year in 1995. And then Ilyumzhinov was president another year up to ’96. This election was for ’96 to ’98. It was just for two years. So he wanted to get elected. And they have these elections at the FIDE Chess Olympiad. So this is 1996 in Yerevan, and he wants to get elected for two years.

03:59 So this is from the official tournament bulletin. This is published by FIDE in Yerevan, Armenia. And this is a letter that is reportedly signed by me and Grandmaster Andor Lilienthal. And the letter was totally fake. I had nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing. I had no knowledge of this before it was published. It just came out about a day or two before the election, just before the election, to influence the delegates to vote for Ilyumzhinov.

04:41 Mercado Did it carry your signature?

04:44 Fischer Well, it has my typed signature. Obviously, it should not have my real signature, because I didn’t sign it. I never saw it. And this constitutes a forgery, because I had nothing to do with this letter.

05:07 I’ll read it. This is from the 32nd Chess Olympiad, Tenth Bulletin, Yerevan 1996. “To the delegates of the General Assembly of FIDE, ladies and gentlemen, our long stay in the chess world, a great life experience, and finally our modest contribution to the development of chess art…”

06:06 I’m sort of modest, but I’m not that self-effacing. And: “We witnessed all the chess history beginning from the ’30s.” Now I didn’t witness chess history beginning from the ’30s—I wasn’t even born.

06:43 It mentions “random”—trying to attach me to this letter because I invented Fischer Random chess. But the English is completely wrong. “Grudging” and “random”—it has nothing to do with proper English.

06:54 “The trouble of the latest years of this organisation was not only that certain players have had some disagreements—it used to happen before—but rather it was caused by the fact that FIDE did not manage to become an unbiased judge that would treat everyone with respect and strongly defend its own decisions, rules, and regulations. Life changes rapidly, and that, of course, is reflected in chess. Staying behind the realities, FIDE has changed too slowly, and alas, those were right who have recently criticised it. But a year ago, at the very critical moment, when our organisation was at the edge of collapse, a young leader of one of the Russian republics, and also a well-known businessman, came to be president.”

07:51 “His first steps as FIDE president could be quite extraordinary, and some of them even disputable. However, the main point: FIDE survived. He came to be outspoken. All the royal sponsors offered their support.” I didn’t go to Oxford or anything, but this is not me.

08:04 “Step by step, he fulfilled the promises given, no matter how unruly they seemed to most of us.” What’s most important is, this is pitiful. “We would like to remind you of the World Championship Match, Karpov–Kamsky”—which, you know, I would never call that the World Championship Match, because I was the World Champion. That match was prearranged, by the way, move by move—in my opinion, also this Karpov–Kamsky.

08:34 “We would like to remind you of the World Championship Match, Karpov–Kamsky, which was delayed nearly for a year by the former administration, as well as the support given to the chess veterans, a complete programme for the support of the children’s movement in the world. Also the projects for the holding of a new World Championship.”

08:53 “We admit that Ilyumzhinov’s ideas are not clear enough and contain some debatable points. However, innovative and practical financial approaches, business and communication abilities with people of any rank are unquestionable.” Again, this is almost unintelligible English.

09:10 “Not everybody comprehended and accepted, but for the sake of chess and its future, we appeal to your sober estimation of the present situation of FIDE, and according to it, the president’s duties can be carried out only by Kirsan Ilyumzhinov—a man who not only cares for chess, but also understands its problems as well as the ones of the chess organisation and individual players. A broad-minded person who is able to support them financially and improve its reputation.” He’s very broad-minded. He’s so broad-minded he doesn’t mind forging letters to get elected. (laughs)

09:45 “That is the reason we appeal to the delegates to elect Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the man of the 21st century, as FIDE president, by making amendments in the FIDE regulations that will satisfy modern life conditions.” Signed, R. Fischer, World Champion, and Andor Lilienthal, International Grandmaster.

10:04 Now, obviously this is not written by me. You can tell. But this one thing should alert you right away that it’s not written by me. You know, I never use the word “fucking,” right? (laughs) But my writing’s always tight. There were two of us that allegedly signed this letter.

10:27 Fischer I tried to get in touch with Ilyumzhinov when I found out about this, about a week later. And he said, “No, I asked Eugene. You said you thought he would be the best candidate”—which was true. I thought he was the best of a bad lot. But I had absolutely no interest in FIDE. That doesn’t give him the right to forge a letter.

10:52 This was done by Lilienthal, because he’s on the payroll of Ilyumzhinov. I understand he’s getting like $1,000 a month—a pension from Ilyumzhinov. He’s been getting it ever since he forged this letter.

10:59 Torre So what happened?

11:02 Fischer He was elected. And then again in 1998, he was elected for four years.

11:23 He should be kicked out of the presidency. I don’t give a damn—I don’t even care about FIDE. I don’t play chess. I play Fischer Random chess. But he should be kicked out just for forging this, because this is really low class. Even Campomanes, who was a crook, would never do something like this.

12:11 Cabreza Bobby, but maybe—I heard that you received 100 grand from Ilyumzhinov.

12:16 Fischer Yeah. But that was a year earlier. That doesn’t entitle him to forge a letter in my name. Now, maybe if he gave me a few million—but not 100 grand, come on. I wouldn’t even give him a photo for 100 grand.

12:35 Cabreza So under Ilyumzhinov, you don’t think that FIDE has a good future?

12:47 Fischer That is not the issue. The issue is he cannot do what he did. I think he’s been better than Campomanes. He’s really putting up some money. It’s a miserable game, but given that it’s a miserable game, he’s doing a pretty good job. But of course, everything is prearranged. And that Karpov–Kamsky match was prearranged. But I mean, he is putting up the money—apparently he got like $5,000,000 for the last knockout tournament. I have nothing—there’s nobody I want to replace him with, let’s put it that way. It’s just that the guy has to be punished for what he did.

14:07 Cabreza How did you handle the 100 grand?

14:10 Fischer I took it to a friend’s house. It was over the weekend, so I was kind of worried—money was a weekend—and I hid it somewhere in the house over the weekend. Then on Monday morning, I went to the bank, brought in 100 grand. They didn’t seem to mind. Somebody came with me to the bank, but I brought it to the teller alone. This was in Budapest. Well, this is a long time ago—my money doesn’t last too long these days. 100 grand is small change by today’s standards. I have my money in Switzerland, but this hundred grand has been long, long gone.

15:06 Cabreza What’s your financial status right now?

15:12 Fischer Well, I’ll tell you what I have. I have approximately $3,500,000 in the Union Bank of Switzerland.

15:37 Mercado So upon those who say that you’re poor—

15:40 Fischer No, no. I’ve got the money. No question. I’ve got it.

15:49 Torre Bobby, there is an article in this description—this is Chess magazine, September 2000 issue. And it features here our previous interviews.

16:32 Fischer This Chess magazine pulled a little sleight of hand—they’re trying to confuse Chess and Chess Monthly, but they are one and the same magazine. Let me just put that on the record. Now, this is a Jewish magazine from England. The founding editor of this magazine was B.H. Wood, OBE. He was a Jew, and most people don’t know it because they don’t know what the “B” stands for. The “B” is for Baruch. You remember that famous American financier, Bernard Baruch? Baruch is a Jewish name.

18:00 Now this article in the September 2000 issue of Chess is called “Prisoner of the Millennium: A Perspective on the Fischer Interviews,” by C.P. Ravilious.

18:17 You know this guy?

18:18 Torre No, no.

18:19 Fischer No, no. This has got to be a phony-baloney name, Ravilious. I’m a chess player, so I get familiar with names from all over the world. You know, the Icelanders are Guðmundsson, and the Yugoslavs are Gligorić—everybody’s “-ić.” I get used to the different kinds of names. I’ve never heard of this name. I cannot place “Ravilious” at all. I have to believe this is a fake name.

19:09 It’s a long article, about five pages. And it starts off right away promoting the Holocaust. He says: “The people of Hungary, some 75% of whose Jewish population perished during the Nazi period, were unequivocal in their rejection of Fischer’s brand of antisemitism.”

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00:01 Fischer That’s not true at all. I was listening to the radio in Hungary after my programme was over. I was in the car with a friend, and somebody called up about the programme. They said, “I liked that programme.” This was on Radio Calypso.

00:23 I know Hungarians—the non-Jewish Hungarians—they hate the Jews. That’s one of the things I like about it over there. So he’s just lying that the Hungarians rejected what I’m saying. The reason I got cut off is because the Jews control the radio stations. They control the government. But the people like what I have to say.

01:00 Torre Why do you think the article was titled “Prisoner of the Millennium”?

01:07 Fischer Oh, that’s a takeoff on a joke I made, I think on your programme. You remember? This was about January 19, 2000. And Eugene was telling me how he got some awards—chess player awards. And I said, “I think they want to make me Prisoner of the Millennium.”

01:57 Fischer The Jews would like people to think that I didn’t pay my storage—and that’s why everything is on the up and up, that’s why my property was confiscated. But as I said, I have $3,500,000 in Switzerland right now. And this bastard Ravilious says, “In interview 2, he is at pains to ensure that despite rumours to the contrary, he is a rich man.” They’ve published many places all over the world that I lost my prize money from the 1992 match with Spassky. It’s not just rumours. They’ve published it and never retracted it.

03:14 Torre He says something about Edward Winter too.

03:32 Fischer Yeah. I criticised Winter on the radio. I was attacking this Edward Winter character. And this Ravilious says: “Winter attracts some of Fischer’s most vitriolic censure on grounds which are not immediately clear.” And then he says: “His role as a Fischer supporter has been consistent and unequivocal.” And later: “Fischer can have had few friends as disinterested as Winter, or as ready to expend time and energy on his behalf.”

04:15 So he’s trying to make it sound like I’ve been very ungrateful to this Edward Winter, who was actually my supporter. Well, he is not my supporter. So I explained, you know, in this past interview. Let me just play a little short one-minute excerpt which completely refutes what this Ravilious is saying. He’s a totally dishonest person.

05:02 This Winter is claiming, by the way—one of the things I don’t like—he’s claiming that there were only some 570 changes in the Batsford forged edition of My 60 Memorable Games. It’s not 570. It’s many, many thousands of changes—not even counting the changeover from descriptive to algebraic notation.

06:01 Fischer And this Ravilious has gone through all of these interviews, so he knows about what Winter wrote about me. He’s pretending he doesn’t know about it. Let me play this—it takes about one minute. This is from my interview in Dagupan last year.

[06:33–07:42 Tape playback of Fischer’s earlier interview, reading the Winter passage: “… one reason for Fischer’s bad press is his tendency to keep reporters off-balance with statements which, without warning, switch from perspicacity to absurdity and back again. Cliché-loving journalists can be at ease in covering Fischer only if they ignore the perspicacity, emphasize the absurdity, and add a dose of invention.”]

07:42 Okay, that was one minute—that was from my interview in Dagupan last year. Not this recent one. So Ravilious had this interview, because he went through all of the tapes, and he knew about this. So just to cover this remark that Winter says here—this is in American Chess Journal, this came out around 1993, it was either in the first or second issue of American Chess Journal, in an article called “Instant Fischer.” Here’s the quote: “One reason for Fischer’s bad press is his tendency to keep reporters off balance with statements which, without warning, switch from perspicacity to absurdity and back again. Cliché-loving journalists can be at ease in covering Fischer only if they ignore the perspicacity, emphasize the absurdity, and add a dose of invention.”

08:42 Now this is no friend of mine, you know. I just mentioned this to totally discredit this creep, Ravilious.

08:46 How is this a friend of mine talking? I go from “perspicacity to absurdity” in the same statement? It’s a vicious remark by this guy, Edward Winter.

09:27 Torre Ravilious also wrote about your “staying power.” He says: “Fischer’s own staying power is rather more open to question.”

09:41 Fischer What does he mean by that? I assume he means in the historical perspective. But that’s quite preposterous. There are probably hundreds if not thousands of books written about me. A movie is already made about me. And they would never have stolen all my memorabilia and belongings if they didn’t think they were going to go up in value and become worth a vast fortune.

10:55 Torre By the way, I was also reading this article, and this Ravilious, he wrote about the robbery of your belongings at Bekins—he says: “This was clearly a crushing blow.”

11:14 Fischer So not only are they not ashamed of robbing me, not only are they not afraid of going to prison, but they are revelling in this robbery. He says: “This was clearly a crushing blow, as much to his sense of personal identity as to his hopes of exploiting his property for autobiographical purposes or monetary gain.” See—wouldn’t that be terrible, if I were to benefit from what belongs to me, rather than the Jews?

12:16 They should benefit from my labour. This is their mentality. They have this parasitic approach to life.

12:37 Cabreza I’m just wondering about the whole concept of “Prisoner of the Millennium.” I was just wondering, if you could explain that to me.

12:48 Fischer No, no. It was a joke I was making, because this was about the turn of the century—a few months earlier this year. And we were discussing… I had been awarded—some magazines called me the Chess Player of the 20th Century. And then Eugene was telling how he was the chess player, I think, of the 20th Century for the Philippines, right. And then he asked me, “Have you gotten any such award from the United States?” And I said, “No, maybe they want to make me Prisoner of the Millennium.” Sportsman of the Millennium—one of the Sportsmen of the Millennium.

13:27 Cabreza Anyway, but here in the write-up, he continues that with the exception of his forty-eight hours in police custody, they tried to ridicule you…

13:37 Fischer Yeah, but this is an interesting statement here. This really shows where this release is coming from. At an intellectual level, I just pulled this statement out of a hat, out of a clear blue sky: “At an intellectual level, his preferred image of himself was that of a free man surrounded by slaves and sycophants.” Now, the ones who would want to make everybody slaves are the Jews. That’s why they’re trying to get all of the money and the property of the world—to make people helpless.

14:08 Do you remember that statement I read, that they found on the body of this dead Jew in Russia? And it talked about: “By taking from the Russian people their gold, we reduce them to helpless slaves.” Well, the Jews are the people who want to reduce the non-Jews to slaves, and they’re doing it by taking all of the wealth of the world.

14:31 Fischer I was reading a statement from The Secret World Government.

14:40 Cabreza Your Bible?

14:41 Fischer Yeah, my Bible. I want to read this from my bible here. This is from page 187 of The Secret World Government: “The imminent bankruptcy of the Aryans: The Hidden Hand controlled $300,000,000,000 and earned at least $20,000,000,000 per year. In 1935, it will control $500,000,000,000 and will earn at least $30,000,000,000 per year.” And this book is written in 1925–26. So you can imagine what the Rothschilds and the Jewish world government have today. It’s in the countless trillions.

15:40 Bill Gates—he probably has more money than half of the Filipinos put together. Goddamn Jew. He’s a secret Jew, in my opinion too. His founding partner Paul Allen—Allen was his last name. He’s a goddamn Jew. I’m sure this Gates is a secret Jew.

16:10 Also, he wrote an article recently—this Bill Gates—in Time magazine promoting genetic engineering as the solution to the world’s problem of shortages of food. So he’s a criminal, this Bill Gates.

16:47 Torre But he is not the richest man in the world at all.

16:50 Fischer He’s a piker compared to the Rothschilds. He’s a “Johnny come lately.”

17:19 Torre This Ravilious calls the robbery of your stuff a “catastrophe.”

17:30 Fischer Well, it’s not a catastrophe, because my understanding of “catastrophe” is an act of God or nature. This was a well-planned robbery.

17:45 He also says, “We may never know precisely what happened regarding the Bekins robbery.” I’ve explained this for the last year and a half. I broke the case wide open when I called you from Tokyo and played those tapes. There’s no question, President Bill Clinton himself approved this robbery.

18:22 I read that article that Clinton is going to be a visiting professor at the Rothermere Institute for American Studies at Oxford. And this story just came out June 25 in the Daily Yomiuri in Japan. How could I have known this back in January? The tapes I played were from January 19, 2000, and before. There had never been, so far as I know, any connection between Rothermere and Clinton ever published. But I said Clinton was behind this robbery, and now it turns out Clinton is going to work for Rothermere.

19:23 So this case has been broken wide open. This was a government expropriation of my property under cover of Bekins. It’s the same government that wants to put me in prison for ten years, the same government that has given Learning International, which is owned by the giant Times Mirror Corporation, the right to say that “Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess” is their trademark.

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00:00 Fischer And they’re still selling it, and they’re giving me nothing. Not a penny. This is not a copyright. This is a trademark. They’ve given them the trademark to my name. That’s much more than a copyright. That means they can use my name any way they see fit.

00:19 According to Learning International, “Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess” is their trademark. Can you believe that? And just for good measure, they trademarked it both ways—“Fischer” spelled F-I-S-C-H-E-R and also F-I-S-H-E-R. They had it two ways. Of course, my name is F-I-S-C-H-E-R, but they did it just for good measure—they said Bobby Fischer, F-I-S-H-E-R, is also their trademark. You see? Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess when spelled without the C is also their trademark. So this is a licence to rob me and exploit my name for eternity. The US government has given them this. The US government is filth.

01:12 I mean, is that bastard Cohen still here as the Defence Secretary? That guy, if he’s still here, should be arrested for his war crimes in Yugoslavia. He should be arrested—and maybe I can interrogate him too, in jail. He should be arrested and he should be executed. He is a criminal. He is a war criminal.

01:36 Cabreza Aren’t you worried about the fact that he was here in the Philippines, in the middle of our hostage crisis? He came just like the day before the attack, no?

01:50 Fischer Right. It’s like he came to give orders.

01:53 Cabreza Does that bother you in any way?

01:54 Fischer Yeah, I should have been arrested—he should be arrested if he’s still here. He’s a gangster. He’s Jewish, you know.

02:06 Cabreza Are you not worried because the Secretary of Defence of the US is here, Mr. Cohen, and you are strongly…

02:13 Fischer Well, this is still supposed to be a sovereign state. He has no official power here, as far as I know. But he may be meddling in the war.

02:23 Cabreza Does that cross your mind, what he’s doing here?

02:26 Fischer Well, I assume he’s meddling, sure. But this is the fault of Estrada.

02:31 Why is Estrada, you know, giving him this meeting, listening to him? He should arrest him.

02:41 Cabreza Bobby, on that trademark thing—because we in the Philippines also, some militant groups are raising hell about intellectual property rights, where foreign companies come over to the Philippines, make research on things that are indigenous to our natives, and all of a sudden it becomes the property of somebody in the United States.

03:17 Fischer Oh my God. Yeah, I heard something. The Indians over in India were saying something similar. They have some kind of herbal cures, and then these mega-Jew corporations come in, and they claim it’s theirs. They patent it or whatever. It’s ridiculous. It’s the same with me. The Jews are absolute parasites. Eventually, they’re going to like patent some kind of special air—you’re going to have to pay them for breathing.

03:43 Cabreza What gives them the right to do that?

03:45 Fischer No, nobody. They take it. Just like nobody gave them the right to take my belongings. They just take it. That’s their style. They’re aggressive—the Jews are fierce. They have it patented after them.

04:01 Cabreza Well, I just heard now—some people on the internet are starting to sell lots on the moon. Because someone is claiming or whatever that they own the moon already. I don’t know what the whole story is, but that’s next. They’re going to start claiming they own the universe too.

04:27 Fischer Another thing—I was listening to the radio. There was this corporation—True something, Equinox or something like that. And somebody put out a false report on the internet that this company was in bad shape, and it drove the price down. And now this person has been arrested. Now the Jews have told millions of lies about me—they robbed my stuff—nobody arrested them. But if you start talking against some huge corporation and driving their price down, you’re likely to get arrested. Everything is a double standard with them, a total double standard.

05:19 Mercado You’re American, but it seems that—I’m going to be honest—you’re overextending your hatred of America, because I noticed even in the restaurant, when we eat, you don’t like American beef. I think it’s too much.

05:38 Fischer No—that’s because they feed the cattle in the US with steroids. It practically causes cancer.

05:47 Mercado So that’s the reason. Not because it’s from America.

05:52 Fischer Yes. If the Philippines puts steroids in their beef, I would try to avoid it too. That’s why I like Philippine beef.

06:05 Mercado Why do they use steroids when it causes cancer?

06:10 Fischer Because when you give the cow steroids, they grow faster—they put on weight faster, so you can kill it like a year earlier. They save a lot of money by doing that. It’s as simple as that.

06:25 And the EU—I don’t like the European Union at all, but on this one point, they’re doing very well. They’re refusing to allow American beef in, and that is because of Germany. German scientists are very adamant on that point. And the US has been pushing for years. When I was in Germany back in 1990, there was a front-page story: “Trade War Unless Germany Allows US Beef In. This is unfair, the scientists say it’s healthy.” And they huffed and they puffed and they blew “trade war, trade war with Europe. This is the end of the world unless they let that beef in.” This went on for about two weeks. The Germans and the European Union stood pat. They wouldn’t budge. Suddenly, the US forgot about it. It was all a bluff. The story disappeared from the headlines. And that’s the way to treat the US—call their goddamn bluff.

07:17 You should close the US embassy here. Kick the fucking US out of the Philippines. Kick the Israelis out. Close the Israeli embassy right now. Just close it. I would like to see an angry mob of Filipinos ransack the US embassy and just burn that goddamn place down. I would find that very gratifying.

07:42 Cabreza Yeah, but maybe not all the US beef-steak are bad. Maybe some are still good.

07:49 Fischer Well, so far as… there may be a few independent producers here and there, but 99 per cent of the stuff that’s exported is grown with steroids, believe you me. And it’s not just that at all—the things they do to the food there: they’re irradiating the food. It’s a horror story.

08:07 Torre Anyway, Bobby—here in the Philippines, we were able to protect the rights of one guy—the “I Love You” guy, you remember?

08:25 Fischer I just read about that.

08:31 Torre The courts dropped the charges against him.

08:40 Fischer We should do more of that. He should do more of that. He should attack big, mega-multinational corporations.

08:59 Mercado Let’s go back to another topic. You mentioned Larry Evans.

09:16 Fischer Larry Evans—this dirty, circumcised Jewish son of a bitch. He writes for Chess Life. He’s always knocking me. And he has never criticised, so far as I know, the fact that I’m under indictment by the US government. That doesn’t seem to bother him. But he himself, back in the ’60s, played in Cuba in violation of a US State Department ruling that was in the passport—that Americans were not allowed to go to Cuba. And nothing happened to him, because he’s a Jew.

10:00 He did a very similar thing to what I did, but nothing happened to him. He got good money too—he told me he got several grand for playing there. This was back in the ’60s, which was a princely sum in those days. He went there and violated the State Department advisory, which was in the passport. When I went to Yugoslavia, it wasn’t even in the passport. It was just an executive order. It wasn’t passed by Congress. But he undermines the fact that the US wants to put me in prison for ten years, while with him, nothing happened.

10:47 Fischer And I think this Nixon remark is very apropos. We were discussing why so few people come out supporting me. And I think this is explained by my old buddy Richard Nixon. This is from Forbes, September 4, 2000: “People react to fear, not love. They don’t teach that in Sunday school, but it’s true.”—Richard Nixon.

11:29 So the people are not afraid of me. I can’t hurt people. But the Jews can. If you cross the Jews, you can lose your job. Things could happen to you that are not so nice. The people are afraid of the Jews. They think, “What do I have to gain by supporting Fischer? What’s in it for me?”

12:29 And the Jews know this psychology very well, because there was a book that came out long ago in the ’70s, by a Jew called Robert Ringer, called Winning Through Intimidation. The Jews like to intimidate. They want people to be afraid of them. That is one of the reasons I’m doing these broadcasts. I want to dispel this fear people have of the Jews. People think if you side with Fischer, you’re dead—you’re finished. But I’ve been saying this for over a year and a half, and nothing’s happened to me. Absolutely nothing. I called the Jews’ bluff. I called the US bluff.

13:05 Mercado But they are not giving you back anything. I remember you told me they renewed your passport.

13:15 Fischer Early 1997, I went to get my passport renewed. And if the US had refused, I wouldn’t have had a passport. My passport would have expired. I was going to ask for political asylum in Switzerland. And the Jews knew that—especially this was at the time when the US and the Jews were squeezing Switzerland for the Swiss bank accounts, if you remember. They didn’t want this kind of publicity at that time. Good timing for me.

14:01 Mercado You just got lucky then?

14:03 Fischer You might say that.

14:06 Mercado What happens if your present passport expires?

14:10 Fischer Well, I’ve got till 2007. Ten years.

14:22 Hopefully, the US government will get overthrown and the Jews will get it in the neck.

[Torre reads three more Batsford forgery examples from My 60 Memorable Games.]

15:13 Torre In game number 34, Bertok against Fischer—the real book, page 208, the note at White’s eleventh move gives a sharper alternative variation: “Sharper is 11. Rc1 Be6 12. Qa4 c5 13. Qa3 Rc8 14. B-K2 and now K-B1 levels while 14… Q-N2! is the prescription for maintaining tension.”

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[Bertok (White) vs Fischer (Black), Stockholm Interzonal 1962, round 22, 4 March 1962 (Queen’s Gambit Declined, Tartakower Defence D59)—hypothetical position after 14. Be2 in the sharper sub-variation Fischer gives in his note to White’s actual 11. Be2 (the move played in the game). This is game 34 in My 60 Memorable Games, “Hanging pawns unhung.” From this position the original Simon & Schuster note says: “and now K-B1 [ = 14… Kf8] levels while 14… Q-N2! [ = 14… Qb7!] is the prescription for maintaining tension.” The Batsford forgery, per Torre below, replaces Fischer’s “levels” with “equalises” and waters down “prescription for maintaining tension” into something blander. In the actual game Bertok played 11. Be2 directly and Fischer won (0–1) in 31 moves.]

15:36 But the Batsford book changed “levels” to “equalises” (Americans say “levels”—it’s snappier and more colloquial; “equalises” is dry, formal British English). And “prescription for maintaining tension” to something blander. They took all the life out of it. It was very well written. They just deliberately took the life out of it.

16:06 Fischer I wrote it in a very snappy way. And they just deliberately took all the snap, crackle, and pop out of it. Vicious, vicious rats.

16:21 Torre In game 42, Unzicker–Fischer—you wrote: “A handy luft, as becomes apparent later.” But the Batsford book changed “handy” to “useful.”

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[Unzicker (White) vs Fischer (Black), Varna Olympiad 1962, round 7, 4 October 1962 (Sicilian Najdorf B92)—position after Black’s 22… h6 (in descriptive: “P-R3”), White to move. This is game 42 in My 60 Memorable Games, “A bright cameo.” Fischer’s original annotation “A handy luft” uses the German chess term Luft (“air”)—the pawn move 22… h6 creates an escape square on h7 for the Black king, so that later back-rank threats fail. The phrase “as becomes apparent later” refers to the finish: 26. Kf1 Rxc3, where without the luft Black might have had to worry about … Re8 / Re-1+ tactics. The Batsford forgery replaced the colourful chess term “handy luft” with “useful rook”—which is wrong twice (it’s not a rook move, and “useful” is dry). Fischer (Black) won 0–1 on move 26.]

16:41 Fischer Just to make it dry. Just yesterday’s news. Not “handy”—just bland.

17:07 Torre Now in game 57, Larsen–Fischer. After the nineteenth move, you wrote: “Larsen’s reluctance to simplify will soon backfire.” But the Batsford book changed it to: “Larsen’s reluctance to simplify will soon backfire on him.”

17:50 Fischer When a gun backfires, it backfires on you. That’s understood. Just trying to make me sound like a simpleton.

17:56 One of the guys who forged this Batsford edition is John Nunn. He’s the main guy involved. His name is mentioned twice on the copyright page. And this guy is a brain—he went to Oxford University, was an assistant professor there. He knows English perfectly well. They did this just to make a fool of me.

18:46 So many of these creeps have gone to Oxford. My former attorney Basheian went to Oxford. Clinton went to Oxford. John Nunn went to Oxford. Finishing school for snakes.

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[Final segment—brief closing.]

00:00 Torre It’s been a long time since this happened with Bekins. And more than one year—the US government has not done anything. I think it’s about time they have to do something, because it’s like a family. The US government is supposedly the head of the family. And now this is being done to one of the members of the family—Bobby Fischer. But instead of helping him, they’re not doing anything. They’re not moving. And it only gives credence to Bobby Fischer’s charges.

00:19 It’s the non-Americans who are trying to give him some support. We Filipinos, others from Japan, from Hungary. But how come no Americans come to give him some support? And how come the writings are always against him? There is nobody writing, “Let’s check Bekins” or “Let’s check the other side.” Always the negative against Fischer. Very unfortunate.

01:38 Fischer I just want to say one more thing about Ilyumzhinov. In the last Olympiad, in Istanbul, he made the first move for the Israeli women’s team. Now there were over a hundred teams there. Why the Israeli women’s team? So this guy is in the Jews’ pocket.

02:06 Mercado Okay. That’s it. Thank you very much again for the opportunity, Bobby. And whether you’re in the Philippines or not, feel free to call up if you think there’s something you’d like to say.

02:15 Fischer Okay. I will, Pablo. Yes.

02:18 Mercado Thanks again to you and Eugene Torre for bringing Bobby here for the second time live in our studios, and of course to Vincent Cabreza of the Philippine Daily Inquirer. This is Pablo Mercado. Thank you very much, and good evening.

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[This is a long interview ( 2 hours) on DZSR Sports Radio 918, Manila. Fischer is in the studio with GM Eugene Torre and host Romy Quintanar. This is the same station as Chapter 5 (March 1999), but now Fischer is physically present rather than calling by phone. Fischer reads the full text of the US Treasury Department cease-and-desist letter and the arrest warrant.]

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00:05 Quintanar You’ve just heard the most important news in sports developments here and around the globe. This is DZSR Sports Radio 918, news and sports on top of the hour, brought to you through the facility of PBS, the Philippine Broadcasting Service.

00:32 Ladies and gentlemen, please stay tuned for a very special interview with the champion.

[A song plays through to 04:12, then a station ID.]

04:18 Quintanar The time now is nine minutes after one o’clock, ladies and gentlemen.

04:23 Ladies and gentlemen, it sure is a very special afternoon—not only for the whole nation, but for our station here. You know, it does not take a chess player to realise that Bobby Fischer is an absolutely amazing man. Aside from his numerous chess accomplishments, he has an astronomical IQ with an exceptional memory.

04:46 In the world of chess, no player has ever proved to be as devoted as Bobby Fischer. Generally acknowledged as the greatest chess player of all time, he became the youngest Grandmaster at the age of 15. He was US Champion eight times in eight attempts, from 1957 to 1966, and he was World Champion from 1972 to 1975.

05:21 We would like to say Mabuhay. And ladies and gentlemen, it is DZSR Sports Radio’s distinct honour to have this afternoon, live, the one and only, the greatest chess player of all time—Mr. Bobby Fischer. Welcome to the Philippines.

05:42 Fischer I just played a World Championship match in Yugoslavia in 1992 for $5,000,000. You forgot about that, or what? So why did you say I’m champion from ’72 to ’75?

05:55 Quintanar It must be the computer’s fault.

06:03 How have you been enjoying your stay here in Manila?

06:07 Fischer Very nice.

06:12 Quintanar How many times would that be in the Philippines?

06:15 Fischer I think this is the fourth time. And some of those times—I don’t know, maybe when I was here in ’87, it wasn’t publicised.

06:30 Quintanar What brings you here, Bobby?

06:35 Fischer Well, I was staying in Japan for a while, and then I came here to visit Eugene and also to meet Pablo Mercado. He’s from Bombo Radio over in Baguio. And he’s been giving me a lot of airtime—the last about a year and eight months or so, ever since the US government expropriated a whole room full of my belongings that I kept in storage in Bekins Storage out in Pasadena, California. So starting around early January 1999, I’ve been going on the radio to expose Bekins and Ellsworth, the US government, and the Jew-controlled United States.

08:01 Fischer I heard he’s not well lately.

08:03 Quintanar Oh yes, wherever he is, we hope he gets well soon.

08:07 Fischer Is he well, Romy? I want to do another interview with you.

08:11 Quintanar Well, he can hear us at this particular time.

08:13 Fischer Oh yeah. Maybe he can call in. Why don’t you call in, if you’re listening?

08:17 Quintanar All right. Let me welcome first this distinguished and good-looking gentleman beside you who made it all possible—the first Grandmaster of this country, Eugene Torre. Mabuhay!

08:30 Torre I won’t be surprised—with Bobby Fischer around, I can easily be forgotten. No, I was just joking.

09:14 Quintanar Would it be possible—or would you like it—if you stayed here permanently, Bobby?

09:21 Fischer Anything is possible. I can’t go back to the US anymore because the goddamn Jews there control the government. There is no government in America. It’s just a Jewish dictatorship hiding behind this façade called the United States of America. They’ve got an arrest warrant for me. They want to put me in prison for ten years for playing chess in Yugoslavia—and playing great chess at that.

09:47 Quintanar What can you say about your good friend Eugene, now that he is President of the National Chess Federation?

09:55 Fischer Well, to tell you the truth, I don’t care very much about the old chess anymore. I’m heavily into my new game, Fischer Random chess.

10:27 Quintanar What is this Fischer Random?

10:37 Fischer This is a game that I invented. It’s basically chess—almost the same as chess, except instead of having one starting position, you have 960 starting positions. And one of the starting positions, by the way, is the old chess starting position—but it’s only going to come up on average about one time in 960. So the prearrangement problem is solved. Number two, the memorisation and preparation problem—the over-the-board element is getting less and less by the day, by the hour. It’s not a sporting struggle anymore. It all comes down to prearrangement and preparation.

11:34 Quintanar And memorisation.

11:36 Fischer Yeah, I kind of count that in preparation.

11:39 Quintanar Would you ever write a book on this?

11:42 Fischer Well, I wrote… I have the rules. The rules I already came up with.

11:46 Quintanar It’s on the internet, right?

11:47 Fischer Yeah, they’re on the internet. These are the rules right here. My mom, when she was alive, she was always bothering me to write a book about it.

11:57 Quintanar Can we get that address on the internet, so—

12:01 Fischer Oh, this is… I think Bobby Ang has a new address now. It’s something—I don’t know, Queens Head or something, whatever. Yeah, I forgot the address. He changed his address for some reason. Maybe in the future I can call up and tell you about it.

12:24 Quintanar He can call up and give us his new address. He is listening. Eugene, how do you accept this Fischer Random? How do you accept this?

12:29 Torre So it is a very healthy endeavour, healthy sporting competition. Because the bad thing with the old chess now is you have to keep preparing—and that’s no fun anymore. The more you prepare, the more advantage you have. And outside help is getting too much—like the computers.

13:21 Fischer And it’s also very unhealthy, because your eyes are damaged. Look at the young players—they’re all ruining their eyes, staring six, eight hours a day in front of computers. They all wear glasses now. Even that creep Kasparov is wearing glasses sometimes. But with Fischer Random, you don’t need to prepare. All you need is to have a good sleep, listen to good music, have a good dinner—and come to the board fresh.

14:21 Torre You won’t know the starting position until you sit down. Bobby has already made an equipment called a “shuffler”—a Fischer Random equipment or shuffler. He has it in Japan.

15:05 Torre So how can you prepare the night before or a few hours before the game? You will not know. And when you sit down, you push the shuffler, and only then the starting position arises. But after you castle, you end up in the same position as in old chess. So all the flavours of old chess are retained.

16:24 Quintanar Can a good chess player be equally good at Fischer Random?

16:30 Fischer Well, it depends if he has real talent, or if he’s just a crook like Kasparov and Karpov and Korchnoi and all these Russian Jewish bastards where everything is prearranged. I don’t think they’re going to do very well in Fischer Random, because they’re used to the advantage of prearrangement.

16:48 Now, just to show you how the Jews are scared of the new chess—there’s an article in a British magazine called Chess, which is totally Jewish, founded by a Jew, B.H. Wood. And they’re attacking Fischer Random chess.

17:24 So this tells me the Jews are really scared that this game will catch on and replace old chess. And they’re even—I think—changing the rules. They’re calling it their version of Fischer Random, where you can only castle when the king and rook happen to be in the standard position. So castling would only happen in a fraction of games—maybe less than 10%.

18:34 And if the other starting positions don’t have the option of castling, it will be a dry game. Because castling adds a lot to the strategy of chess. That’s why when I developed Fischer Random, I made it a point that from every starting position, you can castle on both sides. The positions before you castle may be different from old chess, but after you castle, you castle into the same position. So it’s easy to remember.

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[Fischer discusses Kasparov’s prearrangement, chess as analogous to wrestling, and then reads the full US Treasury Department cease-and-desist letter.]

00:00 Fischer Kasparov should be in prison for his crimes. He has prearranged in his life thousands of games. Every game he’s ever played, every tournament or match he ever played with Karpov, was prearranged. Every goddamn thing was prearranged, move by move. He is a criminal on a big scale.

00:21 And this is not just something that I know. This is an open secret among all the Jews everywhere. They understand: if a Jew enters chess, he enters to cheat. If he enters medicine, he enters to make money and to kill his patients. If he’s a lawyer, he enters to betray you, his client, to the other side, et cetera. It’s standard practice for Jews to cheat and to scheme and to steal. That’s their lifestyle. They’re a criminal people. If they open a moving and storage company, then they steal the property from their clients. Whatever they do, they cheat.

00:58 So all the Jews everywhere, they understand, of course, that he’s a cheat. So all the Jew journalists, all the Jew-owned papers, they all understand that Kasparov is a criminal on a grand scale—and they approve.

01:08 Torre That’s why they did it to you with your belongings, no?

01:11 Fischer Right, right. Anyway—cheating, stealing, lying, murdering is a way of life for the Jews. So it’s understood by all Jews that Kasparov prearranges. They would be dismayed and in disbelief if he didn’t.

01:26 Torre But because it’s Fischer Random, it will be difficult to prearrange move by move, no?

01:30 Fischer No, if you don’t know the starting position. I mean, at the present time, it’s impossible to prearrange a game with Fischer Random chess—unless you have a board in the bathroom and you go and get something like that. But not sitting at the board. You won’t be able to do it, because you’d have to have a prearranged game in your hand for every starting position—both players. Over the board, you won’t be able to do it. No way. You won’t be able to remember it, because there’s too many possibilities.

02:24 Quintanar Will Fischer Random revolutionise the game of chess?

02:34 Fischer It will revolutionise it. But the point is, I think it will keep chess going. It is dead now. What you see in old chess is not what you think you see. What you are seeing is theatre. There is no real drama. It’s like wrestling—the same thing. But it’s worse, because most people know that wrestling is rigged. But they don’t know that chess is rigged. And in chess, it’s the easiest game in the world to cheat in. And practically no risk.

03:09 It takes somebody like me to study these games, to take them apart, to realise that it’s all prearrangement. The average player is easily taken in.

03:20 Quintanar Is that why you have kept yourself inactive?

03:25 Fischer No. I don’t want to play old chess, but I’d like to play the new chess. The reason I’ve been inactive is I haven’t had any good offers.

03:41 We tried—I had a match set up in Argentina with Eugene and Ricardi, but it got cancelled at the last minute, you know. Can you imagine, in 1996 we were in Argentina, in Buenos Aires already, to introduce Fischer Random chess.

04:03 Torre Bobby was gracious enough to be present in Buenos Aires, Argentina, to officially reintroduce Fischer Random. I was supposed to be one of the combatants or participants in the match between two players, and the other one would have been Ricardi—at the time he was the Argentinian champion. But you know what happened? Somehow it was stopped—it went kaput.

04:42 So, you know, I’ve been with Bobby, and I have many times experienced—I call this, I mean, a witness. They’re saying that Bobby is only saying that there is a conspiracy against him and this is only his imagination—or something. But many times I’ve been with him, I saw with my own eyes all these things happening. Like, for example, in 1992 he was charged by the US government of violating the UN sanctions, but it was only him. And I think they tried to keep this charge as much as possible. I think it’s about time that Bobby should also mention this now.

05:35 Fischer The US government wants to put me in prison for ten years for playing this World Championship match against Spassky in Yugoslavia in 1992. So I’ve had an arrest warrant out for me. Here’s the arrest warrant. This is not my imagination. It’s real.

06:09 They want to put me in prison for ten years. They’re absolutely serious about it, just like they’re absolutely serious about keeping all the property they stole from me from Bekins and all the other crimes they’ve committed against me. They’re very, very serious.

06:22 Torre Yeah, so I was a witness too. I think it’s good to read this.

06:28 Fischer Yeah. This is the letter the US Treasury Department sent me—the US government, a government agency—sent me August 21, 1992, just a few weeks before the start of my match with Boris Spassky in Yugoslavia. And they didn’t want me to play the match, because they saw I was preparing well for the match and I was getting in shape. I think they wouldn’t have minded if I had played the match and fallen on my face. I hadn’t played chess, remember, for 20 years. Totally unheard of. If anybody else hadn’t even played chess for five or six years, they would have just played terribly. But I hadn’t played for 20 years. Nobody, to my knowledge—how about Duras? I think ten years, but I don’t remember. It was a while ago. It was during World War I, 1917 or 1918, around there.

07:25 Quintanar Bob, even if you were inactive, or if you didn’t play for 20 years—were you still exercising or practising old chess?

07:32 Fischer No, very lightly. I was just mainly studying from the point of view of trying to understand how the Russian Jew bastards prearranged their matches. And that’s still my main interest in the old chess. I still study the old chess, but not to play it—only to unravel how they cheat. That’s my only interest in old chess. It’s kind of like an intellectual puzzle to me, like the I Ching.

08:01 Quintanar Wouldn’t this be the most disappointing information for the young people who are getting into chess today?

08:14 Fischer Let me jump in. I agree it’s disappointing if you misunderstand—that the old chess is still a good game. But once you understand what the old chess is all about, then it shouldn’t be disappointing at all.

08:28 Torre How can you get involved already with Fischer Random? It’s a very creative game.

08:37 Quintanar How can we change all these things if there’s only one Bobby Fischer moving in this particular direction, to change the whole game?

08:47 Fischer I think you’re doing a good job right now letting me on the radio here. My ideas have to be diffused.

08:56 Torre Yeah, and maybe some other wealthy people or rich companies might hear this, and they might be willing to sponsor Fischer Random.

09:18 Quintanar Do you believe that the sport of old chess has improved, or has it regressed since the last time you actively competed, Bobby?

09:27 Fischer Oh yeah, it’s improving every day, because they have such a tremendous knowledge of the openings. And really, that’s the problem with the old chess. It’s not a game anymore, it’s a science. It’s a kind of a laboratory thing. The over-the-board sporting element is practically dead.

09:45 Torre Yeah. Sometimes a game is decided through preparation alone, not over the board.

09:52 Fischer But isn’t that part of the sport—you prepare and you condition yourself?

09:58 You’re still going to have to prepare for Random. You’ll have to know the endings, and you’ll have to understand the strategy. You’re going to have to do a lot of thinking. But the old chess, as I say, prearrangement is number one. And just memorisation, just reams of material to play through, and you only got two eyes, you know—it’s not a good idea. They’re running through hundreds and thousands of games at high speed on the computer.

10:32 Torre You can also prepare by studying the style of your opponent, the way he plays, his game—is he positional or aggressive? So there will still be preparation in Fischer Random, but not the kind of preparation where it will damage your eyes, where you have to look on the computer to see thousands of games of one variation.

10:52 Quintanar You know, I know you’ve been asked this question, Bobby, but how do you see this thing that is being done today—man versus computer?

11:05 Fischer You’re talking about the old chess?

11:06 Quintanar Yes, the old chess.

11:08 Fischer Well, the computer—again, we come back to the computer has this opening knowledge that human beings have developed over hundreds of years, the last 200 years, which it can call upon instantly. I think if you play a computer, the computer has a right to look up all books. I don’t think you have any right to look up books, right? That’s considered cheating. But the computer is looking up all the variations in its memory. So it favours the computer in that way, very much.

11:44 Quintanar Can Fischer Random be applied to computers too?

11:48 Fischer Yeah, of course. But the point is, the computer will not have this enormous base of games to draw on. And even if let’s just suppose millions of games of Fischer Random chess are being played—this can all go into the computer, it’s true, but it won’t be so useful to the computer. Why? Because this opening knowledge is incremental. Somebody plays a good eighth move, then somebody finds a good ninth move, and then someone finds a good reply. Watching the computer now—all very good moves, generally speaking, very, very good stuff, almost irrefutable stuff. What the computer will have in Fischer Random chess is the human beings will be playing these openings over the board. They will not constantly be able to improve on what somebody else played, because they won’t know what somebody else played. It’s just too much—too many opening variations. So what will be in the computer will not be that devastating to the human being.

12:54 Quintanar How do you see the future of Fischer Random? Would you like to…?

13:00 Fischer Yeah, I want to get into this—how the US government wants to put me in prison for ten years for playing chess in Yugoslavia. Because I think some people thought it’s not true, right?

13:14 Torre It sounds like fantasy.

13:18 Fischer Yeah, but it is true. They don’t want to put anyone else in prison for doing business in Yugoslavia. Eugene even went to Yugoslavia—he was my second there. He made money there. The Philippine government there… The point is, he violated these UN sanctions too, just like me. He may not have violated US law, I don’t know. But in any event, CNN was there. CNN was there, but they didn’t get an exemption from the US government. I don’t get an exemption.

14:10 Torre Why did they get the exemption?

14:12 Fischer CNN gets an exemption. Why? Why? Why?

14:17 Quintanar Owned by Ted Turner.

14:19 Fischer Well, he doesn’t own it anymore. I think Time Warner owns it. He was always a goddamn front-man. And I don’t know whether he’s Jewish or not, but he’s not in control there. So they’re really just out to get me, the US government. Spassky also played in that match—of course, he was my opponent. The French government didn’t bother him. The arbiters…

14:51 In Germany—and Germany is about as close to the US as you can get politically, we can’t get any closer, it’s occupied by US armed forces since World War II, totally under the thumb of the US—but also, Spassky has been to the US since the match. They don’t want to bother him. They’re only interested in putting me in prison for ten years.

15:14 I want to read this letter, just to show people how real this is. This is from the Department of the Treasury, Washington, August 21, 1992. “Order to Provide Information and Cease and Desist Activities. Dear Mr. Fischer: It has come to our attention that you are planning to play a chess match for a cash prize in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Serbia, and Montenegro. As a US citizen, you are subject to the prohibitions under Executive Order 12810, dated June 5, 1992, imposing sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro. The United States Department of the Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control—OFAC—is charged with enforcement of the executive order.”

[The US Treasury Department’s order to cease and desist, reproduced from Fischer’s website:]

16:20 “The executive order prohibits US persons from performing any contract in support of a commercial project in Yugoslavia, as well as from exporting services to Yugoslavia.”

16:28 “The purpose of this letter is to inform you that the performance of your agreement with a corporate sponsor in Yugoslavia to play chess is deemed to be in support of that sponsor’s commercial activities. Any transactions engaged in for this purpose are outside the scope of General License Number Six, which authorises only transactions related to travel, not to business or commercial activity.”

16:50 Fischer Well, if CNN was there, then they’re doing a lot more business than me anyway.

16:55 “In addition, we consider your presence in Yugoslavia for this purpose to be an exportation of services to Yugoslavia, in the sense that the Yugoslav sponsor is benefiting from the use of your name and reputation.”

17:10 “Violations of the executive order are punishable by civil penalties not to exceed $10,000 per violation, and by criminal penalties not to exceed $250,000 per individual, ten years in prison, or both.”

17:48 “Sincerely, R. Richard Newcomb, Director, Office of Foreign Assets Control.”

18:20 And it’s sent to: “Mr. Bobby Fischer, care of Hotel Sveti Stefan, 85315 Sveti Stefan, Yugoslavia. Copy: Charles Basheian Jr., Esquire, 1411 K Street Northwest, Washington DC 20007. And: Joseph Cho Jr., Attorneys at Law, Pacific Mutual Building, 523 West 6th Street, Suite 541, Los Angeles, California 90014.” And also to the US Embassy in Belgrade.

18:50 So that’s it. This letter was sent August 21, 1992. And then I played the match. I went ahead. As a matter of fact, I spat on the fax copy of this letter at the press conference. That was how I announced I wasn’t going to accept it. The match started September 2—a couple of weeks later. And on December 15, 1992, they indicted me.

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[Fischer reads the grand jury indictment and federal arrest warrant in full. Discussion of Larry Evans, the Holocaust, and the Old Testament.]

00:00 Fischer This federal arrest warrant—they want to put me in prison for ten years. This is valid all over the US, every state, and in all US possessions. And as far as I know, I’m the only person in the United States who has been charged under this Bush executive order.

00:22 Quintanar Did you ever contest this in court?

00:30 Fischer No. I haven’t been back. I am not going to dignify this by even getting a lawyer. This is simply trumped-up bullshit.

00:40 Larry Evans, for example—a goddamn Jewish liar. He writes in his Jew magazine, Chess Life. He played in a chess tournament in Cuba, way back in the ’60s. And it even said right there in the US passport that this passport is not valid to travel to Cuba.

01:09 Quintanar He played there?

01:10 Fischer Yeah, he played in the World Championship…

01:12 Quintanar World Championship…?

01:13 Fischer No, that was a team tournament. He hasn’t played in the team competitions—those are separate tournaments. He had permission when we played in 1966, when we played in Olympia. We all had some permission. But this was another tournament he played in, in violation of the State Department advisory, that it was illegal to go there. He went there, he got good money—several thousand dollars, he told me. He even told me back then. And nothing happened, because he’s a goddamn Jew.

01:44 Quintanar So the US government is biased against you?

01:49 Fischer No, they’re biased against me. I beat the Jews in chess. I beat the Jewish—Spassky, a Jew, number one. And he’s a bad one too, he’s very bad. They did very badly in chess. Plus, on top of that, I exposed them as cheating in chess—they’re outright crooks. Plus, I’ve exposed the Holocaust as never having happened—it’s all totally made up. The Jews are goddamn liars. There is not a shred of truth to this Holocaust. They made it up to extort money from Germany, and to indirectly extort money from the American people to support the bandit state of Israel, which is supposedly a last refuge for these poor persecuted Jews.

02:39 They’ve extorted from Germany over $100 billion on this lie. The world Jewry extorted over $100 billion from Germany, to be given to Israel, the bandit state of Israel.

03:03 Plus, people don’t even know this—Germany built the whole goddamn infrastructure for Israel. They built their railroads, their phone system, everything. Plus, now—and this is a fact, I’ve even got it in here—there’s an article in The Jerusalem Post that shows that Germany built three high-tech submarines for Israel which are loaded with atomic bombs, and they gave it as a gift to Israel, in addition to all the money. So this is total madness, and total slavery. The Germans have been slaves of the Jews, helping the Jews take over the world. The Jews have submarines with atomic bombs—three of them, and they’re high-tech, built in Germany, gifted to Israel so that Israel can maybe blow up Germany if they want to. Blow up the whole damn country.

04:01 And they say Israel has hydrogen bombs too—hydrogen bombs, and now they’ve got submarines loaded with these hydrogen bombs. It’s total madness. That’s why I’m so forceful about this Jewish problem. People go, “Oh, that’s a problem for the Arabs. Who cares about the Palestinians?” It’s not just… it’s a problem for the world, the Jews.

04:29 Fischer I just read this indictment to continue, to show how serious they are about putting me in prison. Okay—“United States District Court for the District of Columbia, holding a criminal term, grand jury sworn in on October 29, 1991. United States of America versus Robert James Fischer.” Criminal number—there’s no number. It’s the grand jury original violation 50 USC paragraphs 1701, 1702, and 1705, International Emergency Economic Powers Act indictment.

[The federal grand-jury indictment, reproduced from Fischer’s website:]

05:25 “The grand jury charges that from on or about July 11, 1992, until on or about November 5, 1992, within the jurisdiction of the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendant, Robert James Fischer, a United States person, did knowingly and willfully perform a contract in support of a commercial project in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro, in that the defendant, Robert James Fischer, did enter into and perform a contract between the defendant and the Yugoslav Kandic Company of Belgrade, Yugoslavia, and Boris Spassky, to participate in the”—quote—“World Championship chess match.”

06:04 They put that in quotation marks because the Jews are behind this. They don’t like the fact that I played for the World Championship. “World Championship chess match”—they put it in quotation marks. They would never put it in quotation marks for a Kasparov so-called world-championship match. Never. “In the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro, for a cash purse of $5,000,000 in United States currency, and a percentage of revenues from the commercial gain as a result of the performance of the aforementioned contract.” And then it says: “in violation of Title 50 USC, paragraphs 1701, 1702, and 1705, and Executive Order 12810.” A true bill—and then it says, signed by attorney of the United States in and for the District of Columbia.

07:03 And then on the same day, they issued a warrant for my arrest. And this is, I think, signed by Judge… Ritchie—Ritchie J., I think, it is here. Anyway, this is December 15. This is “United States of America versus Robert James Fischer.” Name and address of individual to be arrested: “Robert James Fischer. No known address. No PDID, whatever that is. DOB 3-9-43.”

07:39 “US Marshal or any authorized agent: You are hereby commanded to arrest the above-named person and bring that person before the nearest available magistrate to answer the charges listed below.” And then it says it’s 50 USC 1701, 1702, and 1705, International Emergency Economic Powers Act. This is December 15. It gives the time of day, I think, here. US Marshal, District of Columbia, received December 15, 1992. In violation of so-and-so. And signature of Patrick J. Attridge, US Magistrate Judge. And the Deputy Clerk, Thomas S. Sultan. And the Clerk of the Court, Nancy Mayer-Whittington. Date of issue: 12-15-92.

08:28 And this warrant was received and executed with the arrest of… they have a place to fill in after they arrest me, but they haven’t filled that in yet, because they haven’t arrested me. Okay, so that’s it. You can see it right here. That’s the arrest warrant. Federal arrest warrant.

08:45 Quintanar Bobby, I remember in 1972, when you beat Boris Spassky in the World Championship in Reykjavík, Iceland—and in so doing, you stopped the monopoly of the world-title hold of the Soviet Union—you came back to the US like a conquering hero.

09:20 Fischer Well, not quite. The dirty Jews were working even then. I got a telegram from Kissinger—he said he looked forward to meeting me in the White House. If Kissinger says, “I look forward to meeting you in the White House,” obviously that’s what Nixon had told him to say. But the Jews put pressure on President Nixon not to invite me to the White House. Instead, you know who he invited? Olga Korbut, a little Russian gymnast who had just won some medals for Russia. She got invited to the White House around that time, instead of me.

10:44 Quintanar You’re telling me even your original letter to the Encyclopedia Judaica was also stolen?

10:50 Fischer Right, right. Just that one goddamn letter—the Jews could probably get a fortune for it.

[Fischer’s open letter to Encyclopaedia Judaica, dated June 28, 1984, which he kept on his website. Reproduced from the archived mirror.]

11:21 Quintanar How can they make up for what they’ve done?

11:28 Fischer Well, I have to get my property back. The people who robbed it have to go to prison. They have to drop the charges. Many, many things have to happen.

11:33 Quintanar Why couldn’t they do that? You’ve put the United States on the chess map.

11:40 Fischer Well, it’s a Jewish dictatorship there. The United States doesn’t really exist. It’s a façade, totally Jewish. Look at the administration, totally Jewish. Most of the ambassadors, even that Clinton appointed, are Jews. The Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the spokesman for the State Department—so huge a long list. And now the Democratic Party has a Vice-Presidential candidate, Lieberman. And some people say Gore is a secret Jew too, which I wouldn’t be surprised at—he looks rather Jewish to me.

12:16 Quintanar Don’t you have any… Is there any entity which you can approach to somehow be able to solve this political problem?

12:24 Fischer Yeah, sure—me. I’m going on the air. I’m going public. That’s the only thing. I have been attacking Bekins. I have been attacking Bob Ellsworth. I have been attacking the US government. I have been attacking my former lawyers, Charles Basheian Jr. and Joseph Cho Jr. I have been attacking the Pasadena Police Department. I have been attacking President Bill Clinton personally—I said he is behind this robbery. He authorised it.

13:00 To date—and this is no joke, I’m not lying—not one of these people has answered me. Anywhere. Once. None of them has made one public statement about my charges. This, I believe, is unprecedented in the history of the world, where somebody makes these charges for such a long period of time, so loudly, so publicly, yet none of the accused are answering back. Why? Because they’re goddamn guilty—all of them. It’s a massive Jewish conspiracy.

13:46 Quintanar So what exactly do you plan to do, Bob, while this is going on? Stay or…?

13:51 Fischer Well, I haven’t been back to the US since ’92.

13:55 Quintanar Why—would it be because you’ll be arrested?

13:55 Fischer Yeah, I’d be arrested for that matter. I left the US around July, middle of July ’92. I haven’t been back since then because I was indicted December 15, 1992. I was in Yugoslavia at that time. And you can see that’s serious—they’ve had all the time in the world to drop these charges. So they want to put me in prison. They want to rob everything I’ve worked for all of my life. They want to destroy my reputation. They want to steal all my intellectual property rights. They want to discredit me in every way.

14:43 The Jewish bastards have forged and pirated My 60 Memorable Games. Totally rewritten it, not giving me a penny. Made thousands upon thousands of changes in the book. I’m not even counting the changeover from descriptive notation down to algebraic notation when I say thousands upon thousands of changes.

15:05 Quintanar Exactly. What do they think you are?

15:08 Fischer They think I’m a punching bag or a doormat that they can kick around. They like to go after me. First of all, it’s very lucrative. Secondly, they know I’m a very sensitive person, because they get intense pleasure out of screwing me over. These are the dirtiest bastards, the Jews. Look what they do to their children—they mutilate their children. On the eighth day they cut off a piece of their penis. It’s totally illegal, but they’ve been doing it for thousands of years and getting away with it. They’re a lawless, criminal, parasitic people. They’ve always been that, you know.

15:49 I read on your station, I think—I read from the Talmud about a year ago, if you remember. And it tells the most dreadful things, like the best of the Christians deserve to be strangulated. Things like this. This is their Jewish teaching, really. But you don’t have to go to the Talmud—you just look in the Old Testament. It’s a horror story in the Old Testament—constant killings and killings, and the prophets are constantly egging on the kings, telling them to go kill these pagan neighbours.

16:16 There’s one story in the Old Testament I remember quite distinctly. One of the prophets—he told Saul, who was king—he says: “There’s this town over here, the people are just dreadful. They’re worshipping their gods under every tree, they have idols and everything. You should go to this town and kill everything that breathes.” That means, you know, men, women, children, animals—everything. So King Saul went to the town like the prophet commanded. He was a blind prophet—I mean physically blind, morally blind too, but anyway physically blind for sure. So Saul went to this town and he started to kill all the men like the prophet told him. But then he saw the women were beautiful and they had a lot of children, and he said: “Why should I kill the women and the children? I’ll just take them for slaves.” And also he didn’t kill the animals like he was supposed to do.

17:15 So this prophet, he’s blind, he comes into the town. He says: “What is this I hear? I hear the sound of goats bleating, and whatever. I commanded you to kill everything in this town.” “Well, you know, I thought it was just too much loss of profit. I took the men—I killed all the men like you said. But I took the women and the children for slaves, and I let the animals go. Why should I kill these children? They don’t even know their right hand from their left.” And then the prophet says: “Because you have disobeyed the word of the Lord, your kingdom is rent from you. I’m giving it to this young boy, David.” This is in the Bible. You check it out. I’m not making this up. I know the Old Testament—I used to read that stuff.

18:11 Quintanar And this is considered a holy book?

18:14 Fischer No—the Catholic Church… I like the Catholic churches, but they were very wrong to make the Old Testament a part of the Bible. Having said that, I don’t know—their Bible is somewhat different from the Protestant Bible, so hopefully that’s not in their Bible. I don’t know.

18:30 Quintanar Anyway, getting to another topic—how did the two of you become good friends?

18:42 Torre When he was here in 1967, we did not meet at that time. That was the first time he was here—he was invited by the Lopezes, with Meralco. Then in ’73, he was invited here by then-President Marcos. He was a special guest of Marcos. And even at that time, I remember he was telling me that when he saw me, he said I looked to him like a joke—because of my long hair, I suppose. I wasn’t a grandmaster yet then in ’73—not yet. Then I think we met again in ’76. After that, a long time—only in ’86 or ’87 did we meet again. And then the 1992 World Chess Championship in Yugoslavia—he got me to assist him as his official second.

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[Torre describes being Fischer’s second in Yugoslavia. Fischer discusses his financial situation, the Batsford forgery examples, nuclear power, and President Marcos.]

00:00 Torre At that time, I accompanied him in some of his trips in the Philippines, like to Bacolod. We were on ship, because Bobby likes to travel by sea. And sometimes I learned a lot from Bobby about music—I didn’t know he was so good with music, lyrics. He could decipher lyrics.

00:24 Torre Right, that song “Higher and Higher”—that’s by Jackie Wilson?

00:27 Fischer “Higher and Higher.” That’s a very good song.

00:36 Torre Motown music?

00:38 Fischer No, that’s not Motown. I don’t think he ever became Motown. Maybe he did, but he didn’t start as Motown—it’s a different sound. Jackie Wilson.

00:44 Torre Bobby, I heard what you said. I think somebody should write a song called “Lower and Lower” about the Jews.

00:53 Fischer (laughs) Way lower. No bottom to their behaviour.

01:01 But anyway—Hitler said in Mein Kampf about the Jews… He said: “Their utterly low-down behaviour was so appalling.”

01:25 Torre Nice turn of phrase, describing the Jews.

01:30 Fischer “Their utterly low-down behaviour was so appalling.”

01:39 Fischer Anyway, to finish the question you asked me. So ’76, we met again. And then for a long time we did not meet—only, I think, after that, ’86 or ’87. So it’s a long time we did not have communication. Then after that we met a few times.

01:59 Torre And then of course the 1992 World Chess Championship that was held in Yugoslavia—he got me to assist him, like his official second. So that’s when we became very much closer.

02:39 Torre Sometimes there are a lot of obligations for a second. That’s why I needed an assistant—that’s why I asked if I could bring Eric Gloria, our National Master, to assist me also.

02:57 Fischer Eugene was a great second there in Yugoslavia. If it wasn’t for Eugene, there’s a very good chance I wouldn’t have won that match. That’s the truth.

03:23 Quintanar How does Bobby make a living? Source of income?

03:30 Fischer Well, virtually no income at all now, because they’ve robbed My 60 Memorable Games—I don’t get any more royalties for any edition of it, even the genuine edition. I don’t get any money for this illegal CD-ROM Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. Since I’ve been going on the air attacking Learning International for coming out with this illegal CD-ROM Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess, they stopped paying me my royalties for Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. It’s nothing. So I don’t get any royalties for even that, which they’re making millions every year from. That’s in paperback—you can see it everywhere, all over the world. Every year they just churn out, I think, hundreds of thousands of copies of that, maybe more. And of course I don’t get any money for Searching for Bobby Fischer—there’s a video now, and at every GPT—I don’t get any money for anything. The only money I have is my prize money from Yugoslavia in 1992, and of course I’m earning interest from that. So I’m living off that. That’s it. I have no income coming in at all. Nothing.

04:30 Torre Well, Bobby, how about from My 60 Memorable Games?

04:32 Fischer I get nothing. I haven’t had a check for that for at least five years or so.

04:46 Torre And also, I think we discussed already that they even changed your My 60 Memorable Games—worse, they came out with a pirated, outright pirated edition. They wrote me a letter telling me they’re going to come out with this book. My lawyers wrote back telling them, “This is illegal.” They just went ahead and did it. And there are so many changes they made—in the grammar, in the analysis. Even in the analysis. Like, for example, here—I think, you wanted to mention this. The changes are sometimes very little, but mean, you know.

05:21 Like, for example, in the real Simon & Schuster, the original, which Bobby wrote, game 58—Fischer–Geller—just little changes. We have it ready, Bobby, no? Yeah. So it says there, Bobby wrote, move 20, pawn to queen rook 3 plus check. And then he wrote some moves: knight B7, rook takes knight, pawn takes rook, etcetera, up to number 25, king pin for check and mate. “… and mate.” Okay. Now you know what they did with the Batsford? They changed it to algebraic notation, so it’s king to A3, the symbol, and then knight D2, rook takes D2, bishop A3, bishop takes D2, etcetera, you know, and then queen D4 check.

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[Fischer (White) vs Geller (Black), Solidarity Tournament, Skopje 1967, round 2, 8 August 1967 (Sicilian Sozin, B89)—position after Geller’s 19… Nxe4, just before the moves Fischer and Torre are reading from My 60 Memorable Games game 58. Fischer (White) lost (0–1).]

06:27 Fischer This is page 248 of the Batsford Master Book—pirated and counterfeit Batsford edition of My 60 Memorable Games.

06:43 Torre And then they wrote there, “And white delivers mate.” Okay—it looks decent enough.

06:48 Fischer Good for him.

06:49 Torre Anyway, first of all, in the number-32 move, your opponent’s—should see, you put the two exclamation marks, right?

06:58 Fischer Oh, yes, yes, you’re right.

06:59 Torre In piece number 22, but they put only one exclamation mark. With the change, you know—C3, and they put only one exclamation mark. On b3.

07:09 And two exclamation marks is a very excellent move, and one exclamation mark is only an equal move.

07:16 Fischer In other games, they took the reverse tack, like in my game with—the one game I beat Bisguier, where I gave one exclamation mark, and they gave two.

07:33 Torre Uh, I don’t know—do they have the right to change Bobby’s analysis, because it is an edited edition?

07:40 Fischer They don’t have the right. They change, they do what they want.

07:43 Torre Anyway, the change is—that’s what I’m expecting—is the change that looks harmless. Because they shorten the… See, the real book here—let me just, this is note B after White’s 20th move. In the real book it says, “White, at the end, mate.”

07:45 Torre They changed your two exclamation marks—a brilliant move—to just one exclamation mark, which is only a “good” move. And in other games, they reversed it—where you gave one, they gave two.

08:04 Fischer They changed it in the Batsford book to “And white delivers mate.” Okay, why did they stick in this word “and delivers,” right? You know, it’s not apparent. The reason is, because in the next game, in my game with Kholmov—this is game number 59—I said “delivers the mate” in the note after white resigned. So they want my language to be redundant. It’s hard to believe that people can be that petty and mean, but they are that petty and mean. And the proof is the thousands and thousands of changes they’ve made.

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[Kholmov (White) vs Fischer (Black), Skopje 1967, round 16, 28 August 1967 (King’s Indian Attack / R\’eti A49)—final position after Black’s 32… a6, where White resigned (0–1). This is game 59 in My 60 Memorable Games, “The erring Bishop.” (Fischer’s transcript-mis-heard “Halmos” was actually Ratmir Kholmov, the strong Soviet GM.) Fischer’s final annotation explains why White is lost—the Nb5 has no good square against the attack from Black’s queen on a4: “The Knight has no good square. If 33. N-Q4, B-N2. Or 33. N-QB3, Q-B5. Finally, 33. N-R7, R-B2; 34. R-R1, Q-Q2; 35. RxP RxN; 36. RxR QxR; 37. QxN Q-R8 delivers the mate.” The phrase “delivers the mate” (rather than just “delivers mate” or “mate”) is what Batsford allegedly later copied in their forged annotation to Fischer–Geller (game 58), to make Fischer sound redundant.]

08:48 Fischer They’re trying to say—the Jews have got their agents going around saying, “Oh, it’s just some five or six hundred changes.” It’s not. It’s in the many, many thousands of malicious changes. The Jews are filthy rats.

09:03 Torre They really tried to modify the book which is considered the best book ever written.

09:09 Fischer That’s why they wanted to do it.

09:11 Torre Like, for example, in game nine, Walther–Fischer. Bobby wrote in the original, after Black’s thirteenth move: “14. P-QR3 is still correct. We both suffered from the id\’ee fixe that … P-N5 was unplayable.”

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[Walther (White) vs Fischer (Black), Zurich 1959, round 1, 19 May 1959 (Sicilian Najdorf, Poisoned Pawn-adjacent B99)—position after Black’s 13… Rc8, White to move. This is game 9 in My 60 Memorable Games, “Betwixt the cup and the lip.” Fischer’s annotation at White’s upcoming 14. g4: “14. P-QR3 is still correct. We both suffered from the id\’ee fixe that … P-N5 was unplayable.” In algebraic: 14. a3 (rather than 14. g4 as Walther played) was still correct; both players assumed Black’s … b4 wasn’t possible, but it was. Black’s pawn already on b5 (from move 10) was poised to push to b4 chasing the Nc3 knight away—something both players had overlooked. Fischer almost lost this game but escaped with a 63-move draw.]

09:25 Fischer “Idée fixe.” That’s French. It means “fixed idea” in your head. But it’s part of the English language—it’s in all the English-language dictionaries.

09:41 Torre What did they change here?

09:43 Fischer No, it’s not “idée”, because in the genuine Simon & Schuster book I wrote I-D-E-E—that’s the first word, “idée”—and then the second one is “fixe”. But the “idée” has an accent on the first E. I-D-accent-E. They switched it in this book to put the accent on the second E. “Ideé” on the second E. Just to make me look like an ignoramus. And they’ve done many similar things.

10:37 Like in the real book—in my game with Botvinnik, you wrote “nichia” (Russian nich’ya), which means “draw,” but they changed it to “nichea” without the I. A stupid way to make me look like an ignoramus. They want people to critique that “Fischer is trying to use foreign words all the time, and he always screws up.”

11:08 Torre You think this is on purpose, Frank?

11:11 Fischer Yeah. When you go through it like I have, you will see it is on purpose.

11:16 Torre Would you agree with that? Sure, it is on purpose. The variations—they change from a good variation, correct variation, to a bad, illegal variation.

11:29 Fischer They kept all the money for themselves, so you know they are criminals right there. Violated my contract, kept all the money for themselves. They’re just gangsters. Jews are gangsters. They’ve always been gangsters. Study the history—they’ve always been gangsters. The only reason people have any sympathy for them is they control the world press now, and they’re running their own publicity.

11:51 Torre Also, like in the Philippines, I think it’s…

11:54 Fischer Yeah, yeah. The Jews, according to the Bible, they murdered Christ, and now they’re so powerful, they got the Pope to say that he can change his passion play.

12:04 Torre What is the change?

12:06 Fischer Well, in the passion play they were shouting “Crucify him! Crucify him!” And now they got some good Jews in there saying, “No, he’s a good man, let him go.” Seriously—I just heard this on the BBC the other day.

12:23 Torre Are you writing a new book, Bob?

12:26 Fischer Well, I have a manuscript quite advanced regarding this Batsford edition, but I haven’t completed it because I got distracted with this latest mega-robbery of all my stuff in Bekins. They just robbed a whole room full of my stuff, like this goddamn studio—boxes up to the ceiling. They just robbed it. It’s obvious—the US government is behind it, the Jewish US government.

12:52 Torre But aren’t there some Jews who admit this? Not even one Jew?

12:57 Fischer No, not one goddamn Jew will admit this is a robbery. They say it’s perfectly legal and so on. The closest one Jew did proffer to me that this was very cruel, what they did. But no Jew will say this is a robbery, or that any of the people involved should be arrested.

13:17 Quintanar You said we Filipinos are not in as bad shape as we think. What do you mean?

13:44 Fischer First of all, you have no nuclear power plants. And that is the most dangerous, deadly form of pollution known to man. So you’re very fortunate you don’t have that. You were lucky.

14:01 Quintanar But we almost had that thing.

14:02 Fischer You almost had. Basically, you were very lucky. You know why you don’t have it—that plant never opened, really, in my opinion? Because it was going to open… when was it scheduled to open, ’86, ’87? Yes. But then Chernobyl happened in ’85, so that alerted the people to the terrible danger. And you’re just very lucky. But I’m very worried you may still reopen it. They’re waiting for the Philippine people to forget about Chernobyl, and then they plan to reopen it.

14:34 Quintanar Yeah, but we shouldn’t have those things.

14:36 Fischer No, you should level it. I would recommend you just level it. And I’m worried, you know, it’s too dangerous to leave it there, because eventually they’re going to… I’ve already seen some articles in your papers talking about how all the advances they made in nuclear power plants, that they can make it safer, and so on. So you’re very lucky. You know, I think Japan is in much worse shape than you.

15:00 Quintanar Maybe they are better off than… Japan?

15:03 Fischer You’re better off than Japan.

15:05 Quintanar Maybe better off than they are. (laughs) One nuclear accident, Bob, just to…

15:10 Fischer Yeah, they already had one last year. People died in the plant.

15:16 Quintanar Do you mean they are also better off than America?

15:18 Fischer Better off than America.

15:21 Quintanar Yeah. But what we have here, Bob, is the toxic waste left by the bases.

15:26 Fischer Right, that’s from the US, yeah.

15:29 Quintanar That’s affecting a lot of children now—some are dying, and some are freaks, you know, they come out of their mothers’ wombs…

15:39 Fischer The US is totally responsible for this whole nuclear power and nuclear bombs. If you study the Manhattan Project, it was all totally Jewish. All of the top scientists, they were Jews. The Jews are just fanatical about this atom bomb, because of the political power it gives the US.

16:00 Quintanar But, Bobby, can you enlighten us about this nuclear power? What does it do? How can you be getting in harm’s—have you read about this?

16:13 Fischer Oh yeah, I’ve read about it. I’ve heard about Chernobyl and the pictures of the children who’ve been born. And there’s so many accidents they’re covering up. First of all, there are lots of accidents all the time that they cover up. There’s no question about this.

16:25 Quintanar Can you smell it?

16:27 Fischer That’s what’s so bad about it. You can’t smell it, you can’t taste it, you can’t feel it. But once you get the dose, you’re doomed. You get a dose of radiation, you’re doomed.

16:37 Japan has dozens of nuclear power plants. Taiwan has dozens. The US has dozens. Russia. France has over 60.

16:46 Quintanar How about those countries who have this nuclear energy—can they, is it very expensive to remove it?

16:57 Fischer Yeah—it costs billions to build a nuclear power plant, but it costs even more billions to decommission it. And even then, it’s still very dangerous, because they have all this stored, radioactive material. So it’s just totally insane, nuclear power.

17:15 Quintanar You don’t burn fossil fuels, but you somehow contaminate the world.

17:23 Fischer Sometimes when people die from nuclear radiation, even their body cannot be buried. They have to be permanently disposed of, because they are now radioactive forever themselves.

17:54 Quintanar We have a question: how did you find the late President Marcos?

18:11 Fischer He was nice to me. I played a game of chess with him on his yacht. And of course, I was helping him—I was sort of semi-suggesting most of his moves. And they were good moves. He was very, very smart. There’s no question about that. He was very brilliant. But the problem was he was too close to the US.

18:52 To me, it’s not really a question of whether you have a dictatorship or a democracy. The question is: are the leaders close to the US? Like in Burma—there you have a military junta, but they’re anti-American. That’s what counts in my book. Not whether you’re a so-called democracy or not. Are you anti-American?

19:15 America is the evil empire. It’s totally evil, totally corrupt.

19:20 Quintanar How’s your sister Joan and your mom, Regina?

19:25 Fischer They’re gone. They’re not around anymore. They died.

19:30 Torre Bobby could not see them when they died, because he could not go to the US.

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[Discussion of US good vs evil, women in chess, Spassky, the Olympics drug testing, and Bekins advertisements in Budapest.]

00:00 Quintanar A lot of people think the US is the balance of good and evil—they do the worst things and the best things.

00:00 Fischer No, I think that’s wrong. I used to think that way myself. I think it is totally evil. Totally evil. What are the good things? Tell me. Give me an example. What is the good thing?

00:12 Quintanar Perhaps they would help out third-world countries who are too poor to fend for themselves, something…

00:18 Fischer Yeah, but this usually is in the form of loans with conditions attached, and they basically take over the country. They almost never do anything disinterestedly, you know. And at the same time, perhaps, they do the worst things—like genetic engineering, nuclear power, nuclear weapons, bombing Yugoslavia last year. Totally criminal. If you remember, they blew up a radio, a TV station in Belgrade. The United States blew up the TV station in Belgrade, and they don’t even claim it was an accident. They say: “We deliberately did it. This was not a legitimate TV station. This was just Milošević’s private propaganda war machine. This was not a real TV station.” They can make anyone appear the worst person in the world.

01:10 And I believe they did that not only to show their power in Yugoslavia, but they want to intimidate radio and TV announcers all over the world. “Geez, if I start talking against the US, maybe they’ll blow me up in studio too.” Because they blew up the TV station above it, killed at least sixteen people, injured many others. In that one act, the United States repudiated everything that it claims to have stood for for over 200 years.

01:40 And they may do it again. They may do it again, and they’ll just say, “Oh, Fischer was in this station there. He took over the minds of everybody and turned it into his own hate propaganda machine. That’s why we blew up that radio station in Manila when Fischer was giving an interview. That was nothing to do with freedom of speech. Oh no—that was a hate propaganda machine that Fischer turned the station into.”

02:06 Quintanar So are you not afraid?

02:10 Fischer You’re not supposed to ask me that.

02:31 Quintanar Among the young chess grandmasters—

02:35 Fischer I’ve really washed my hands of old chess. It’s a dirty game. The cheating is enormous.

02:52 Fischer Pál Benkő—he’s a friend of mine in Hungary. He was a great chess player. He played in several Candidates tournaments. He beat me three games, but I beat him a lot more. Anyway, he had a son, a very smart son—I know his son, his name is David. His son got interested in chess. He told his dad, “Dad, I want to take up chess.” And Benkő said to him, “Don’t play chess. It’s not a good game anymore. Just a lot of prearrangement and memorisation, plus a lot of politics. You have no chance. Forget about it.” So a great chess player who loves chess, who composes problems night and day, who’s always staring at a board, always working on new endgame strategy—he told his own son not to take up chess. That tells you something: the game is no good anymore.

03:51 Quintanar Do you agree with that, Eugene?

03:52 Torre Yeah, yeah. His son wanted to take it up, but he discouraged him—“Don’t take it up.” That’s unheard of.

04:02 Fischer Right. You’re from a family of broadcasters. Suppose your father said, “Don’t become a radio broadcaster. It’s no good, don’t do it, don’t get into it. Become something else—become a doctor, a lawyer.” Well, what would you think then?

04:18 Torre No—because I want to play in a game where the real gauge is creativeness, between the two opponents, the talent. Not the preparation, and not the possibility of damaging your eyes because of so much variation, you know.

04:34 Quintanar And in politics, where does it come in? Bobby claims it’s too much politics in chess and all that. Is it really obvious, or is it what’s happening now in our country, the chess world in this country?

04:51 Torre Well, because since old chess is easier to arrange, then it’s more possible—more possibilities, you know. And also, the higher you go in old chess, the more cheating there is, because more is on the line. As you go down lower, there’s less cheating. Take, for example, like the women—Bobby believes that the women, they’re more honest players, you know.

05:14 Fischer Generally—I don’t know about these Russian Jewish women, but generally women are much more honest in chess than men. I think there’s a lot less prearranging in chess among the women, because they hate to lose. And it’s not just a cold-blooded business transaction the way it is among the men—“I lose today, I get the money next time somebody throws his game to me,” and so on. The women, when they lose, they cry. They really put their ego into the game, which is good.

05:55 Quintanar Eugene, a lot of people have been asking—these past few years, you haven’t really been coming up with some good showings. Is this one of the reasons?

06:09 Torre This is one of the reasons I’m quite disinterested, you know, in the old chess. I don’t have the desire, or the… you know, to study so much, because it’s all preparation and cheating.

06:19 Quintanar He doesn’t want to get involved in the world of cheating.

06:23 Torre Yeah, the cheating—and it can damage your eyes when you prepare so much. But actually I’m still the highest-rated player. Of course ratings, you know… Sometimes, because maybe you’ve read that from the Philippine Chess Federation, they try to make a big impression, or sometimes when you play bad, they make a big thing about it. But actually, how come I’m still the highest-rated? The thing is, I play only a few tournaments.

07:08 Quintanar From the land of romantics, Bobby—you never got married. Do you have someone special?

07:15 Fischer I want to keep all the doors open here, if anybody wants to be in touch with me. He’s still available, ladies and gentlemen.

07:33 Quintanar Where do you plan to spend the rest of your life?

07:40 Fischer I don’t know. Just like, any European country, any Asian country. I’ve been in Hungary most of the time—about eight years, since ’93. I don’t miss America very much at all.

07:56 Quintanar You want to hear some bad news about Hungary and Romania? Well, you know, this little gymnast that they have—they were sent home because of drugs.

08:06 Fischer Drugs? That’s interesting. Has any Americans been sent home?

08:11 Quintanar Not yet.

08:11 Fischer Yeah. I have a feeling that’s politics. (laughs) But anyway, regarding this kind of cheating—well, Ben Johnson—I read an article by him, you know, the one who was disqualified in Korea. He was very bitter. I read this a couple of years ago. He said, “I just got caught doing what everybody else is doing.” And he says there are certain athletes they don’t test—they’re untouchables. I don’t know—are they testing everybody now, or is it just random?

08:42 Quintanar Well, they say that they’re testing everyone—well, especially the gold medal winners.

08:48 Torre Say, Bobby, who’s testing them?

08:50 Fischer The Australians, right? Who politically are very close to the US.

08:55 Torre Who is doing the testing? The organising committee…

08:59 Fischer Yeah. Anyway, this Samaranch—the US could easily have pushed him out over these scandals in Utah and so on, but they didn’t, right? So he’s indebted to the US. I’m sure if he’s told to go easy on the US athletes, he will.

09:28 Torre Bobby, you were reminding me about Seirawan—in 1992, he was talking about Kasparov.

09:43 Fischer Yes. He mentioned that Kasparov himself was offering to pay somebody to throw a game for a Russian player. I think it was Nick de Firmian, Grandmaster Nick de Firmian from the US, playing against Zurab Azmaiparashvili, a Russian who was helping Kasparov. Azmaiparashvili was offering money to de Firmian so that the game would be drawn. And then when de Firmian refused, Kasparov offered to double the money.

11:11 And Seirawan is privy to all this. He says to himself, “I don’t believe it. Doesn’t Kasparov know I can expose this in his magazine?” So he was telling us the story about how Kasparov was trying to get involved in fixing a game—not one of his own games, but between two other players—because Kasparov’s got a lot of money, no problem for him to give the money. But now the same Seirawan claims he doesn’t believe what I’m saying—that all the Karpov–Kasparov matches were prearranged move by move.

11:47 Quintanar Anyway, they defended and did not accept the money offer, or to draw the game. But eventually the game ended in a draw, and I think the two players qualified. When you say money is offered here and there, does that mean there are bets around…?

12:14 Fischer On this I don’t know. I don’t know about the betting aspect.

12:18 Quintanar There’s betting everywhere in the game.

12:20 Fischer Yeah, maybe there’s also in chess. I don’t know about that. I never got into it from that point of view.

12:26 Quintanar If you’re trying to offer money to opponents, I suppose you must have some good bets going on there.

12:34 Fischer Possible. Possible, yes.

12:36 Quintanar Well, anyway, considering that Mr. Kasparov has consistently topped Mr. Karpov, especially in important tournaments, some people suggest that he would have beaten you too. Is that a fair conclusion, Bob?

12:49 Fischer When you talk about world chess, though—first of all, these games—they’re all prearranged. So what do they mean? They mean nothing.

13:00 Quintanar Yeah. What do you do for fun, Bob?

13:03 Fischer I like pop music. I like walking. I like reading, talking.

13:09 Quintanar You enjoy life activity?

13:12 Fischer Yeah, but I was a little disappointed—because of the state of, the state… they’re cutting down a lot of trees and the air pollution. You know, because of the automobiles and trucks. But this again is the fault of the Jews and the US, because I remember already going back to the ’60s, they were promising us pollution-free cars by the turn of the century. I could read dozens of articles about that. And then, instead of giving us pollution-free cars and trucks, they gave us the internet. To distract us from their broken promise. I would much rather have pollution-free automobiles and trucks than the internet.

13:53 They think the internet is the greatest thing that’s ever happened. People are still getting asthma and dropping dead from cancer and every other disease, from all the cars, automakers, from this whole petroleum-driven economy—because the Jews, they control these big oil companies.

14:10 Quintanar Anyway, gentlemen, we have very few minutes left. Bob, this has been cropping up like anything—this is from the telephone: what was your greatest match?

14:27 Quintanar What was your greatest match?

14:30 Fischer I think my greatest match was my last match in ’92 against Spassky in Yugoslavia. First, it was the impossible—like twenty years away from the board. But secondly, on its own merits, I think it was my best match.

14:40 Quintanar Who was the best opponent you’ve ever gone up against?

14:50 Fischer Well, I’m a big fan of Morphy—Paul Morphy—in history. And also Capablanca. Especially Morphy. And for me personally, Spassky is a very, very great player. The reason he went down after I beat him in ’72 was deliberate. He did this on purpose, on instructions from the Jewish world government. Because he, so to speak, is my horse. See, if he does well, it looks good for me, right? If he does badly, it looks bad on me. Because who the hell did I beat in ’72, right? I beat a bum, see.

15:31 So he deliberately has done badly since I beat him in ’72. Well, he had one good result—he won the Russian championship. But that was also deliberate. I believe that was set up, just so it wouldn’t be too obvious that he was deliberately taking dives for the rest of his career after he lost to me. He went down. He was a much more talented player than this Korchnoi.

16:30 Quintanar What about your other opponents? Did they lose their minds because of Bobby’s strategies in the game?

16:38 Fischer No, I think more of, especially, Larsen and Taimanov—because they lost six–zero, you know. Why didn’t they just say it was themselves, though? An exaggeration is an exaggeration.

16:53 Torre Has this Spassky ever played you in a friendly game in Baguio?

16:57 Fischer We never played a tournament. We played some friendly games.

17:10 Fischer And I want to get into this robbery of my stuff in storage at Bekins. There are a couple of incredible documents. Bekins—they’re probably the biggest moving and storage company in the world. I believe more and more that it’s owned by the goddamn Rothschilds themselves, which are the richest family in the world. They are Jews, of course.

17:30 They opened up some new branches in Hungary. And I clipped out a couple of their ads. Look what it says here—this is dated November 18–24, 1999: “Bekins AES Moving and Storage: Worldwide removals, car registration, work and residency permits.” Now what the hell is that?

18:00 Work and residency permits from a moving and storage company? I thought governments—or police, or some kind of authorities—gave you these permits. Work and residency permits, vehicle registration. Maybe we’re really getting into that thing they call the New World Order.

18:30 What kind of a private company is this? I’m saying that Bekins and the US government and Bob Ellsworth are in cahoots. And here’s more—where the hell does this Bekins, a private moving company, get this power? Have you ever heard of a storage company that can give you work and residency permits and vehicle registration? Too much power.

19:07 And also—I’ve been staying in Hungary a lot the last years. So this ad was in the Budapest Sun, a local English-language Budapest paper. “AES Moving Worldwide: transport, moving, antique transport and storage, work and residency permits, vehicle registration. Have you seen our mover’s warehouse? Feel free to visit our warehouse with or without an appointment, anytime.” So they’re trying to show openness and transparency—when they robbed me, who was their best customer. I stored stuff in there for twelve years, paid them over ten grand, and they won’t even answer me what they did to my stuff. They won’t even respond to my faxes. And they’re pretending that they’re open and transparent. This is a big buzzword now—“openness” and “transparency.” There’s even an organisation, I think, called Transparency International.

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[Final segment. Fischer discusses Dunkin’ Donuts, nuclear power, the chesscafe.com article, and signs off.]

00:28 Fischer Do you know in LA, they were spraying insecticide all over the city for years from helicopters? I even got caught sometimes outside when they were spraying. This wasn’t even nationally publicised—just the people who lived there knew about it. Even in Stalin’s Russia, I guarantee they would never have sprayed insecticide from aeroplanes over Moscow’s populated city. And not once—they did this hundreds of times over the years. I believe they did it to stupefy the people, to make them dumb, to injure them. I really believe that was the main reason—not because of this alleged fruit fly.

[Fischer is describing the aerial spraying of the pesticide malathion over the Los Angeles area during the California Mediterranean fruit fly (“medfly”) infestation of 1980–82. This was a much-publicised and bitterly contested agricultural-eradication programme: helicopters sprayed malathion, usually at night, over the San Gabriel Valley and other suburbs east of Los Angeles, prompting widespread public protest at the time: https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/08/27/Los-Angeles-jumps-into-action-against-Medfly/3110367732800/.]

01:22 America is evil, and it’s always been evil. Study its history—murdering the American Indians, plundering their land, bringing Africans over as slaves, dropping the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nuclear power plants, now genetic engineering, bombing Yugoslavia just last year. Totally naked aggression, absolutely no reason. Madness. The US is filth, and it’s perfectly logical why—the Jews are in control. And right now I’m even learning that the Jews were the owners of the slave ships that brought the Negroes from Africa.

02:00 Quintanar The Negro that you said committed bankruptcy…

02:04 Fischer Oh, yeah, that was just to show you what an unjust country America is. I remember years and years ago, I was reading in a newspaper a story about a black bank robbery. This was in the Pasadena area, right around there. He went into a bank to rob the bank, which—I think he had a gun. Okay, that’s not right. But he did, okay. He went in there, got some money, and as he’s walking out the door, the guard shoots him in the back. And of course he was captured right there. Now this guy is in a wheelchair and he’s on trial, and he gets convicted, and they gave him a long sentence—I forget what it was, ten, fifteen years. So he appealed, and while his appeals were going on, he was at liberty, he was free. Finally, all of his appeals ran out, and the police came over to pick him up to take him off to prison to begin his sentence. And he shot the two police dead. Killed them both. And then he escaped in a special car that he had because he was paralysed. But they caught him pretty fast. And then I guess at the end—I heard nothing left, I assume he went to prison now for the rest of his life, or if he wasn’t executed, I don’t know.

[The case Fischer half-remembers is People v. Daniels: Jackson C. Daniels Jr. robbed a Riverside, California bank in 1980 and was paralysed from the waist down in the ensuing shoot-out with police. Convicted and sentenced to 13 years, he failed to surrender; on 13 May 1982 he shot dead the two Riverside police officers, Dennis Doty and Philip Trust, who came to take him into custody. He was sentenced to death in 1983 and died in prison in 2024. California Supreme Court opinion: https://law.justia.com/cases/california/supreme-court/3d/52/815.html.]

03:40 But this tells you what a terrible, unjust country America is. Why they wanted to put this guy in prison for ten years—he didn’t hurt anybody. Of course he threatened them. It’s not right. He didn’t hurt anybody. And he’s paid—he’s already a paraplegic, in a wheelchair. Still, they want to put him in prison for ten, fifteen years. And he was bitter about it. So when they came to take him away, he killed two police.

04:10 Now, Bekins and Bob Ellsworth—they have robbed stuff of mine worth tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. There’s not even an arrest being made, not an investigation. I’m being made fun of. When I paid my storage bill, I did the exact same thing I did in 1998 as I did in 1997, ’96. It’s an outright vicious robbery by the Jews. Everybody knows it. The US government’s behind it. The same government wants to put me in prison for ten years. Nobody’s being arrested, because the Jews are in control.

04:40 I guarantee you that Negro fellow who did that, who tried to rob that bank, was not Jewish. He was just a poor, ignorant Negro. See, these people can rob me of a vast fortune—they’re not even interrogated, let alone arrested. And the goddamn government just blacking it out. America is shit. It is filth. Rolando sent me a text on my mobile phone the other day. It said, “US is shit”—that was the message. Thank you, Rolando. Key message.

05:02 Quintanar Anyway, Bobby, why do you think robbing your belongings should be a death penalty? You were telling me.

05:12 Fischer Oh, yeah. For example, I remember this case you had here recently—a man raped a girl, and I think there was some question whether it was really his daughter or not. It was a young girl. And he was put to death by lethal injection. The lethal injection is wrong. This is the American way of putting people to death. You study history—what country, what place in history, has ever put people to death by poisoning them? This is the… this is the way Macbeth killed a lot of people—putting poison in the ear, and all this kind of stuff. It’s an absolutely vicious, satanic way to execute somebody. And you should stop this immediately. I’m not saying I’m against the death penalty per se, okay? But this—this American way is wrong. You should try to kick all Jewish and American influences out of your life and out of your government.

[The execution Fischer recalls is that of Leo Echegaray, convicted of raping the ten-year-old daughter of his common-law wife. On 5 February 1999 he became the first person executed in the Philippines since 1976, and the first there to be put to death by lethal injection. His appeals produced two landmark Supreme Court rulings, including his challenge to the lethal-injection law itself, Echegaray v. Secretary of Justice (G.R. No. 132601): https://elibrary.judiciary.gov.ph/thebookshelf/showdocs/1/40388.]

06:11 Quintanar Okay, okay, okay.

06:12 Fischer So what—if you rape somebody, you go to jail. You’ve been going to jail for several years—that’s enough punishment. When you get out, what have you got? You have nothing. Your family has been destroyed, your reputation has been destroyed, right? You don’t have any money. You’re not getting away from it, from raping her, right? But if you rob somebody like me of a vast fortune of my belongings, and you don’t give it back—whatever you say, they can’t force you to give it back, if you hid it—what good does it do to send you to prison for a few years? When you get out, you’re going to be a rich man. It’s not enough penalty. Some people would be willing to rob stuff worth a vast fortune—let’s say, worth many millions of dollars—and go to prison even for ten, twenty years and then get out and be a rich man. So I think the death penalty is more fitting in this case than for rape. That’s my honest opinion. Because it’s not enough of a deterrent, a prison sentence, for some people. To rob stuff worth hundreds of millions of dollars, some people would be willing to go to prison for ten or twenty years. So—but for rape, I think several years in prison is enough.

07:31 Quintanar Finally—despite the years that have passed, there is still a huge portion of the chess world that wants you to return. How would you react to this?

07:52 Fischer I’m not going back to old chess. It’s garbage. I’m going to play Fischer Random. Fischer Random, Fischer Random.

08:02 Quintanar How about Fischer Random—would you go back to active chess playing with Fischer Random?

08:11 Fischer Yeah.

08:26 I want to read this, just to show how the Jews in the US are attacking me. This is from the internet, chesscafe.com, an article called “The Fischer King” by Paul Kollar: “For example, and please believe me that I do not do this out of spite or rancour: from the earliest days of Fischer’s career to this very day, he has been labelled brash, arrogant, selfish, petulant, boorish…”

09:46 They’re saying not only am I a bad, rotten person today, but as far back as anybody can remember, I’ve always been a horrible person. This is the propaganda they’re putting out about me in the US and all over the world to cover up their crimes.

10:37 Quintanar Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, for the past two solid hours, you’ve been with the greatest chess player ever, the greatest champion ever in old chess. This is a new thing we’re going to follow—Fischer Random.

11:21 Fischer I just saw in Forbes magazine that Dunkin’ Donuts was founded by the Rosenberg family—a Jewish family. So Dunkin’ Donuts has no nutrition. It’s artificial colour, artificial flavour, artificial everything—absolute garbage. And I know you’ve got them here in the Philippines too. You should close them all down.

12:23 Torre Well, I’m just happy that I’m here. I’m very much privileged to be with Bobby now. I think it’s a great education, not only in chess but in life. Much of his message is especially not to mess with nature—I very much admire that.

12:45 Fischer And not to mess with me, either.

12:59 Quintanar Thank you. Good luck, gentlemen. We hope to see you again and talk to you again, Bobby. If you’ll be in Asia for another ten years, then we’re sure we can catch another interview like this with you.

13:32 Fischer Matter of fact, I shocked the public again—this is shock therapy.

13:37 Torre Actually, it was opening of the year.

13:38 Fischer Yeah. I just read in the Inquirer a while ago, they called me a shock jock. (laughs)

13:50 Quintanar Thank you very much, gentlemen. We’ll see you again. Maybe it’s a job.

13:53 And there you have it—our super interview, exclusive here on your one and only DZSR Sports Radio 918. Tomorrow, we discuss the interview.

[Jackie Wilson song plays out the segment from 14:00 through to about 16:55.]

16:58 Quintanar It’s two minutes after three o’clock, my friends. And tomorrow we’ll discuss what happened today, the same interview, because we don’t have much time. We’ll be doing the three o’clock edition of the network news nationwide. This is a very special exclusive interview on Mr. Bobby Fischer—first and only.

17:16 Thank you very much. To really show to him the kind of freedom of democracy that we have in this country. He said things against the United States and the Jews and all that—that is his opinion. Because of that…

[Station disclaimer: “The views and opinions expressed in the preceding interview are not necessarily those of the station or its management.”]

16 Baguio, Philippines, April 28, 2001 ↑

[Pablo Mercado hosts on Bombo Radio, Baguio. Fischer is in the studio with GM Eugene Torre. This is the first interview of 2001—a seven-month gap since the Manila DZSR broadcast in September 2000. Fischer has been travelling between the Philippines and Japan. Much of this interview is devoted to a detailed critique of Bobby Ang’s book and a denunciation of Bobby Ang’s website for falsifying documents.]

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[Programme opens with a Tagalog news headline (“Otherwise, Singson will be charged of perjury, and otherwise Ms. Clarissa Ocampo will also be charged of perjury”—referring to the Estrada impeachment witnesses), the Bombo Radyo Philippines jingle, and an apology to Mr. Bobby Fischer for keeping him waiting. Then Mercado welcomes co-host Melchor.]

02:21 Mercado Tonight we’ll be again talking with our good friend, Mr. Bobby Fischer, our World Chess Champion. Good evening, Bobby, and welcome again to our programme.

02:33 Fischer Thank you.

02:40 Mercado You were talking a while ago, before we were on the air. You have some things you’d like to discuss tonight, especially on the book by Bobby Ang.

03:09 Fischer First, I just want to mention that I have an internet site that I think is reliable. As of now, I believe it’s reliable, where you can get all my interviews—fifteen, plus this one. This is the sixteenth that I’ve given, starting in early 1999, after the United States government expropriated a room full of my cash, valuables, and other belongings at Bekins Moving and Storage.

04:01 The site is: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/

05:01 That’s where they can get my interviews and all the documents relating to the United States government expropriating all my belongings and turning them over to Bekins Moving and Storage Company. And also regarding the fact that the US government has an arrest warrant for me—ten years in prison, etcetera. All those documents are there, including genuine copies of the cheques I sent to Bob Ellsworth, who was my authorised agent. He’d been paying Bekins for years, many years, without any trouble.

05:25 Mercado Before we go further, what’s the development in the case?

05:30 Fischer There’s no development. None of the perpetrators of this crime have said a word.

05:37 I read in The Secret World Government—my bible—and also in The Gentiles’ Review by the same author. He explained that when the Rothschilds and the Jewish world government perceive that they’re being watched, they try to become invisible.

05:55 So regarding me, they’re trying to become invisible. None of the perpetrators of this robbery are saying a word about it. President Clinton—former President Clinton—is not saying a word. The US government is not saying a word. Bob Ellsworth is not saying a word. The Pasadena Police Department is not saying a word. Bekins is not saying a word. The Rothschilds are not saying a word.

06:21 They have secret agents attacking me regarding this robbery, saying I’m telling lies, basically. But the real actual perpetrators have been totally silent. They’ve just hired a band of mouthpieces in magazines and books and so on, to counter-attack. So they’re just their secret agents, in the pay of the Rothschilds, the Jewish world government and Bekins and the US government, of course, too.

07:06 Mercado And the latest is—

07:07 Fischer The latest is nothing. That’s another point.

07:11 Melchor My point is, the latest of these spies is the guy we’re about to talk about.

07:18 Fischer We’ll get into that in a minute. But the point is—another proof that there’s a massive conspiracy against me is that all the conspirators in this robbery, all the perpetrators of this robbery, are silent. Now if they were not all in cahoots, they would break ranks. One of them would say, “Look, I don’t know what the hell Fischer is saying about Bekins, but me, Bob Ellsworth, I’m completely… this is all nonsense about me.” Or Bekins would say, “I don’t know what the hell Fischer is saying about Bob Ellsworth, but we at Bekins are completely innocent.” Or the Pasadena people: “We have nothing to do with this.” Or the US government would say, “We have nothing to do with this.” And Clinton would say, “I have nothing to do with this.” It’s nonsense. All the perpetrators are totally silent. None of them will break ranks. Not a word from any of them.

08:04 Mercado So what does that imply?

08:08 Fischer That implies they’re in conspiracy. Otherwise, somebody somewhere would break ranks and say something. Charles Basheian Jr., Joseph Cho Jr., my former attorneys—not a word from them either. I’ve said really bad things about them too. That should merit a reaction.

08:47 This is their strategy: “Let’s just let it blow over. We won’t give Fischer any targets. He’ll just be punching in the air—nobody’s there.” That reminds me of what the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion teach. They say: “Who or what can fight an invisible force? We Jews—that is exactly what we are.”

09:26 So I have nothing to punch at, you see. These people are professional conspirators. They’ve been at this for thousands of years. Their conspiracy is to take over the world. You said earlier that they employ spies and mouthpieces. Right.

10:01 Too consistent just to be a coincidence, you see? For example—here’s an article. This is in Star Week, the Sunday magazine of the Philippine Star, April 22, 2001, page 3. Now, this just came out, a little before the 22nd—last Sunday, yeah. So I just arrived a day or two before, and then I picked up the paper and I was greeted with this kind of filth about me. You know, these Jews, they really know how to hurt a guy. Listen to this, okay?

10:45 This is an article about a woman called Odette Alcantara, and the article is written by Manny De Sequera. All right? And this is the cover story actually of this Star Week. Well, let me just read this one part here:

11:14 “She admires the Polgár sisters, Hungarian prodigies who are capable of defeating most male grandmasters.” Now—nothing bad about them, right? Because they’re Jewish, the Polgár sisters, right. “She possesses a cherished photograph of herself standing beside former World Champion Anatoly Karpov.” It’s a lie. Karpov was never the world champion. He’s a crook. He prearranged all his matches, starting with his so-called title match in the Philippines against Korchnoi—in Baguio, right here in Baguio. Totally pre-arranged, move by move. He’s a gangster.

11:47 (continuing to read) “Usually serious-looking, Russian-[born?] unusually cheerful, she has also met her idol, Bobby Fischer—the truculent genius tormented by an acute persecution complex.” Let me read that all again. “She has also met her idol, Bobby Fischer—the truculent genius tormented by an acute persecution complex.”

12:11 Nobody’s persecuting me, right? But I just have a persecution complex, right? This arrest warrant, wanting to put me in prison for ten years, is just paranoia on my part, right? Well, there’s a lot of documents right here. But she says I’m having a persecution complex—plus stealing everything I worked for all my life in the United States and world Jewry. And she says I have “an acute persecution complex.” She’s quoting this Odette Alcantara. In fact, the title of this article is “Basura Buster”—“basura” means garbage. So, “Garbage Buster”—like, you remember there was Ghostbusters, right? I guess I’m the basura. (laughs) These Jews don’t miss a trick.

13:06 Okay, let’s get back to it. Here’s what she says, quote: “Fischer was creative.” Was creative—not any more, right? “Fischer was creative. He would have, in the past, defeated Kasparov, who was more scientific. I met Fischer through Eugene Torre. He was unique, and we knew it.” So this—I don’t say she even said this, but the article is trying to make it sound like I’m a blowhard has-been, right? She says, “casting a positive spin on Fischer’s legendary nuttiness.” Very vicious. Let me just read that part again in total about me so people can get the full picture. “She has also met her idol, Bobby Fischer—the truculent genius tormented by an acute persecution complex. ‘Fischer was creative. He would have defeated Kasparov, who was more scientific. I met Fischer through Eugene Torre. He was unique and we knew it,’ she says, casting a positive spin on Fischer’s legendary nuttiness.”

14:21 Speaking of Kasparov—he’s supposed to be this super genius, right? But I have a very interesting document here. When he plays simultaneous games—twenty-board simultaneous matches—you have to be under 1,900 rating to play him.

15:24 This is from Masters International, Friday, March 20, 1998. “The fee for a simul is $30,000. The fee for a team match is $45,000. If the two are packaged in the same time period within one week, then the fee drops from $75,000 to $60,000. The simul is for a maximum of twenty boards with players of 1,900 rating and below.” Nobody over 1,900 is allowed to play this twenty-board simul against the world champion.

16:18 When I played simuls, I took all comers. Back in the ’60s, I was playing as high as sixty boards. Anybody could just come. But this great Kasparov—you have to be under 1,900. And he gets $30,000 for this? “In other words, it is a fun event for amateurs to try their luck against the world champion and highest-rated player ever.” And this word “ever” is in double-capital bold type and underlined. “The team match is against a national team of four to six of the best players in the country. In addition to the fee, Garry receives three first-class airfares plus four accommodations and local transportation for free. A usual trip comprising a match and a simul looks like the schedule attached. Looking forward to hearing from you. Yours sincerely, Owen Williams.” This is from an organisation called Masters International, Inc., 249 Peruvian Avenue, Suite F-4, Palm Beach, Florida, 33480, USA.

17:28 And then on the back is the potential schedule from Masters International: “Monday, fly Moscow to city. Tuesday, rest day and press conference. Wednesday, preparation day. Thursday, preparation day. Friday, team match versus country’s Olympic team of four to six players. Saturday, rest day. Sunday, amateur simul, twenty boards, with players rated 1,900 or less. Monday, departure.”

18:03 I read all the chess magazines. I hear all the gossip. I never heard this. Who or what is keeping this secret? Why am I the only guy who’s exposed this? Why hasn’t this stuff ever been published? So not only do the Jews spread lies, but they can censor things when they want to, too, right? This is incredible—the censorship on this.

18:23 Mercado And considering that it’s a country too far away from Israel or whatever, and they can still control, you know…

18:33 Fischer Yeah, this is amazing. It’s very, very funny. I don’t want to name which country, but this is a very weak chess country. I mean, that’s really pitiful to say—we should just take anybody from that country. Unbelievable.

18:48 Now, I want to get into something. Certain Jews will scream I’m being ungrateful because he put my interviews on the internet. But I tell it like it is—I don’t pull my punches. This has to do with a certain Bobby Ang.

19:09 Mercado I remember that name. He used to put your interviews on his website. I think he was even on with you one time over the telephone—when we were interviewing through the telephone, they were here. Yeah, I remember that guy. I used to also visit his website and just look into our previous interviews.

19:40 Fischer You won’t believe the stuff I have on Bobby Ang. He is falsifying documents—my documents—on his website. Obviously, he’s working for the Jews. Obviously, he’s a CIA rat.

20:04 Mercado And this guy has secretly written a new book?

20:07 Fischer Yes.

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[Fischer devotes this entire part to a detailed, line-by-line critique of Bobby Ang’s book Inside Philippine Chess—specifically the chapter “Agony of a Genius” which was originally published as a column in Business World newspaper.]

00:00 Fischer This book—Inside Philippine Chess by Bobby Ang—just came out in August 2000. I went over to the National Bookstore in Manila and they had a whole bunch of thirty or forty copies of this. So it’s getting very broad circulation in the Philippines now.

00:23 Well, let’s go into a few of the things he says here. In the book, he’s got about—let’s see—one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen—about sixteen pages on me, starting at page 77 and ending at page 92. Quite a lot. And it’s entitled “Agony of a Genius.” These are articles originally reported in his “Chess Piece” column, published in the Business World newspaper.

01:14 Torre That’s a newspaper here in the country, isn’t it?

01:16 Fischer Right. It’s basically the equivalent of a Wall Street Journal. And of course, the Rothschilds, the Jewish world government, usually own or control all these major business publications. Because business is what they’re all about. So I’m quite sure Business World is at least partially owned by the Rothschilds.

02:15 “Bobby Fischer resurfaced from his hibernation in Hungary.” Now this is typical—they always talk about how I’ve been “hibernating.”

02:25 Now let’s look at how he’s continuously trying to destroy my chess record, destroy my chess image. “Bobby Fischer was born March 9, 1943, and started making a name for himself in 1957.” Wrong. I started making a name for myself earlier, especially in 1956 when I won the US Junior Championship—not 1957.

02:59 And then he says I played in the “American Open” at age thirteen. I never played in the American Open. I played in the US Junior Championship at age thirteen, which I won, and I won it again the next year.

03:15 He says, “He didn’t do too well in South American tournaments.” Again, a total lie. I have the record here. I did very well—especially considering I was only fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old. I won Mar del Plata and tied for first with Spassky in 1960.

04:00 And I won by just an enormous amount—I think I won. I have all the record here, but anyway. Then in another tournament in Mar del Plata, I tied for third and fourth in 1959, the year before, which is also a very good record. And then I did well in Chile—although I didn’t win the tournament, I did reasonably well. And then I had one bad tournament, that’s true—in Buenos Aires, 1960.

04:28 Mercado Why didn’t you do well in that tournament?

04:30 Fischer Well, I had a minus score.

04:51 Now the Curaçao Candidates Tournament of 1962. He says: “He was only fourth, losing individual matches not only to Petrosian, Keres, and Geller, who all finished ahead of him, but also to Korchnoi.” Again, he’s simply lying—I have the tournament record right here. In this tournament we played four games each. Now: I lost my match to Petrosian, 2½–1½. I tied my match with Keres, 2–2. I lost my match with Geller, 2½–1½. I lost my match with Korchnoi, 2½–1½. But also—remember—I beat Tal in this tournament, who is also Russian, 2–1, because we only played three games (he dropped out because of illness). So he makes it sound like I lost all my matches to the Russians, right? But actually, I lost three matches to the Russians, I tied one, and I won one. Very, very different from what he’s trying to make it look like.

06:07 This is all on the record. I have it right here. It’s all on record.

06:14 And Bobby Ang is a professional journalist. These things are all on the record. He knows my record very well. So it’s totally inexcusable.

06:30 Mercado Do you think he did that on purpose?

06:31 Fischer No question. He did it on purpose. He’s a professional journalist, Pablo.

06:38 Let’s continue here. “Whereas others could suffer from a period of creative depression after such debacle…”—which wasn’t as much of a debacle as he said, right? “Bobby reacted swiftly and planned his resurrection. He cut down sharply on his tournament appearances for a purpose. He devoted more time to chess study, and when he chose to play, he scored good results.” Actually, there was no purpose. I just didn’t have any good invitations. “He devoted more time to chess study, and when he chose to play, scored good results”—as if to say, before this I hadn’t scored good results, right?

07:11 “Since then, he won every US championship he took part in, since 1962.” I had already won several US championships prior to 1962. What does he mean “since then”? I won every US championship I played in—all eight US championships.

07:36 You see, if you want to say “since then,” you should start at a period before I won my first US championship, right? But starting after I won several US championships and pretending that prior to this I had not won US championships—is just a disgusting lie. He’s a despicable person.

08:12 Then for Santa Monica 1966: “Spassky was the only one who got ahead of him.” It’s a truthful statement, but misleading, because you could get the impression that Spassky was first and I tied for second. No—I was clear second.

08:40 And then: “His first places in the preceding years were achieved by scoring high against the bottom half of the table.” All lies, if you look at the record.

09:02 Then my Candidates matches in 1971: “6–0 against Taimanov, then 6–0 against Larsen.” Being 6–0 against Taimanov and then 6–0 again against Larsen—this is the equivalent of pitching two back-to-back perfect baseball games. He calls this “a fine start.” A “fine start”? If that is not a put-down, I don’t know what is.

09:36 And now it really gets vicious. This is a real calculated insult. It talks about “His Cinderella ride to the world crown triggered a boom”—actually, “It triggered a chess boom of unprecedented proportions in the US and all over the world.” His Cinderella ride to the world crown. Now, I have never heard this metaphor used regarding a man. It’s always a girl. Yes, this is like you might say, you know, Julia Roberts—her Cinderella ride to stardom—or something, right. You don’t say “His Cinderella ride” for a man. For a man you say Horatio Alger story, right. Rags to riches story, or whatever.

10:23 Could he at least have said a Cinderfella? It would have been a little goofy about it—like a gay guy, right. A gay Cinderfella. He told me a thing about gender, huh.

10:38 Well, you know, this is mean, and it’s deliberate. It’s vicious, you know. Bobby, if you’re listening to me, if you’re trying to impugn my masculinity—I wear a size 47 wide shoes. What size shoes do you wear, Bobby? You know what I’m talking about. He’s a despicable animal, this Bobby Ang, you know.

11:12 Now I’ll just show you a couple of other things he did here. He’s talking about now the CD-ROM that Learning International came out with, called Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess, reissued as a CD in the ’90s, while the second book went through several editions. “But for some reason, no permissions were ever asked and no royalties were ever paid.” Now, this CD-ROM, they wrote to me—Learning International wrote to me. They’re the same people who published Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess, the book. They even put a place for me to put my signature, that they could publish a CD-ROM form of my book Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. They sent me a place for me to sign. I refused to sign, and I told them, “You cannot do this.” They just went ahead and did it anyway, and they never gave me a penny. So this is very inaccurate reporting here.

12:34 When he talks about the Batsford book, he says: “Bobby Fischer contested and said he had checked the books himself and documented more than a thousand changes.” Now this is a typical Bobby Ang trick. It’s true—I did say “more than 1,000”—but I actually said “many thousands.” So it’s technically true but very misleading. Many, many thousands of changes that Batsford has made.

13:09 As a matter of fact, just while I’m on that subject, I’ll just mention one vicious falsification they made. This is from, in the original My 60 Memorable Games published by Simon & Schuster—my game with Bent Larsen. This is game number 57. After White’s nineteenth move I commented, “Larsen’s reluctance to simplify will soon backfire.”

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[Larsen (White) vs Fischer (Black), Monte Carlo 1967, round 5, 28 March 1967 (King’s Indian, E97)—position after Larsen’s 19. a3, the move to which Fischer’s “reluctance to simplify will soon backfire” annotation refers. Fischer (Black) won (0–1) in game 57 of My 60 Memorable Games.]

14:25 The Batsford edition has Larsen’s nineteenth move and my comment: “Larsen’s reluctance to simplify will soon backfire on him.” Now it’s understood it’s on him—because let’s say a gun backfires. Let’s say I’m shooting a gun at you—it’s not going to backfire on you, it’s going to backfire on me. That’s understood. When you talk about something backfiring, it backfires on the person who is doing it.

14:52 And I’ll just give you an indication here. This is interesting—I just noticed this. Here’s a recent article from the International Herald Tribune, April 6, 2001, by William Safire. He’s a very well-known Jewish, what we call like a kosher-conservative commentator in the newspapers, and he’s supposedly a real wordsmith, an expert on words. He’s even written a book, as I recollect, on correct English usage. And here’s the title of his article: “China’s Belligerence Will Backfire.” That is the title. The article doesn’t say “China’s belligerence will backfire on themselves, or on itself.” It says “China’s belligerence will backfire,” period. That’s it.

15:49 Incidentally—a lot of people make excuses for all these vicious falsifications that have been made in Batsford, but they sort of don’t know whatever.

16:06 And two of the people who rewrote my book without my permission went to Oxford University. Dr. John Nunn went to Oxford—he graduated from Oxford, was assistant professor of mathematics. But I also just found out recently that this other dirty Jew, Jon Speelman, also went to Oxford. So two of the five scumbags who rewrote My 60 Memorable Games went to Oxford, and they came up with such vicious stuff as this.

16:45 I mean, it’s perfectly understood, you know, when you say “backfires”—for example, let’s say I wrote a book and I said, “Mary ate her dinner.” Right? And then some people just rewrote my book—they corrected me. They said, “Mary ate her dinner with her mouth.” You know, so she’s got to eat her dinner with her ears, right? It’s understood. So this is what they have done here.

17:28 Okay, let’s get back to Bobby Ang here. Now they’re talking about this Searching for Bobby Fischer movie, right, which was originally a book. Okay: “The book was later on made into a movie with the same title, and incorporated film clips of Fischer and a silent exhibition he gave… I am not qualified to opine whether the movie became a hit because of the use of Bobby’s name, but can relate that the only reason I watched the movie was out of curiosity as to Bobby Fischer’s role in it.” Well, I mean, only an idiot would say something he’s not qualified. Everyone knows the movie sold at least ten times more, a hundred times more, because of my name.

18:15 Mercado I have to admit, when I first read in the newspapers that there’s a movie about Bobby Fischer, I really waited until it was shown locally—I really wanted to see if you were there.

18:28 Fischer The chances are you would never have seen the movie if it didn’t have my name on it, right.

18:33 Fischer And then listen to this. Here he says: “Later on, due to a howl of protest by Fischer, the movie’s title was changed to Innocent Moves. But that is besides the point. The money had already been made.” Well, first of all, Bobby, I’m not a filthy dog like you, so I don’t howl, okay.

18:53 But getting on this—he said the movie—when was it changed, Bobby, to Innocent Moves? My information is that, even today—what is the date today? April 28, 2001—as of today, it is still being shown as Searching for Bobby Fischer, and still making money using my name. Everywhere I have come in contact with this movie, it was always Searching for Bobby Fischer. For example, several times when I was in hotel rooms, you know, it would be on pay TV or whatever, and it said Searching for Bobby Fischer, always. When Chess Life advertised the video of it in their magazine and in their catalog, it was Searching for Bobby Fischer. So they keep on using it. They’re still using it. They’re still using my name to make money. He’s trying to make it sound like they’re not making any more money with my name. They have made money, and they are making money, and they intend to keep on making money using my name with this movie.

20:00 So this guy, Bobby Ang, is just like an apologist for Paramount Pictures, and for this dirty Jew Sumner Murray Redstone, who owns Paramount Pictures through Viacom.

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[Fischer continues the Ang critique, discusses Ang’s falsification of documents on the internet, then addresses Philippine politics and US-China relations.]

00:00 Fischer He says, “While the match was going on, a warrant was issued for his arrest.” Again, false. The warrant was issued after the match. And the reason it was after—I think they wouldn’t have minded if I lost the match. I don’t think they would have issued the warrant. But I won the match, and I won it in good style. That’s why they indicted me.

00:24 Then he falsified how he described my game with Robert Byrne from the US Championship, New York 1963. Just so many lies, so vicious.

01:02 Even the title of his chapter—“Agony of a Genius”—with a question mark. “Agony” implies I may have mental problems. And the question mark after “genius” is deliberate.

01:27 He says I asked to play the Byrne game in a private room. I never asked for any game in any US Championship to be played in a private room. It’s all lies. And this game was played in front of the public.

01:40 Now, as my recollection was, it was not played in the main hall of the Henry Hudson Hotel, which is where they used to have the championships. But that had nothing to do with me. This was the organisers trying to save money. So they just put it in some kind of large hotel rooms which may have been used for parties or whatever, to save money. Had nothing to do with me—but it was played in public. Spectators were there, and I remember other games were going on around me.

02:10 Mercado You did not ask for this situation?

02:12 Fischer No, I did not ask to play in private, and the game was not played in private. He is taking advantage of the fact that the game was not played, if I recollect, in the main hall of the Henry Hudson Hotel, to try and say I was afraid of Robert Byrne and asked to play this game in private—which is a complete lie. The game was not played in private, and I didn’t ask to play it in private.

02:36 Then he says… there’s so many filthy lies here. Going down a little later, after I played 12. Ne5!—he used an exclamation mark—“Romy Quintanar asked Bobby about the final combination in this game. Fischer insisted that the beautiful part of the game is not the sudden mating attack, but this particular move.” Lies. I said e5 was the key move of the game. I said nothing about all this other bullshit. He’s just a snake, Tom, trying to make me look like a jerk.

03:06 And then you go further, after 14. Rfd1?: “Yuri Averbakh later on presented reams and reams of analysis to prove that Rad1 was stronger and would have given White the better game. But that is beside the point. Byrne did not even consider that move, since he wanted to put pressure on d5 with Knight F4, and at present he was pinned against the F1 rook.”

03:22 Now, this Rad1—if you will look in the genuine edition of My 60 Memorable Games, this is game number 48. If you look, the longest note of the book is analysing this move. And then I mention Averbakh’s… see, in the game, Byrne played King’s Rook to Queen One. Averbakh said he should have played Queen Rook to Queen One instead. And then I analysed all this. I explained all this. I said that if White played Queen Rook to Queen One, Black should play Queen to Bishop One. So, according to my analysis there, Black has at least an equal game. But he is making it sound, and misleading the public, that if Robert Byrne had played Queen Rook to Queen One, he would have had the advantage.

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[R. Byrne (White) vs Fischer (Black), US Championship 1963/64, round 3, 18 December 1963—position after Black’s 13… Nxe5, White to move (this is game 48 in My 60 Memorable Games). Byrne played 14. Rfd1; Averbakh later argued at length that 14. Rad1 would have been stronger; Fischer’s book contains his longest note (a detailed counter-analysis showing that after 14. Rad1, Black equalises with 14… Qc8). The game continued 14. Rfd1 Nd3 15. Qc2 Nxf2! 16. Kxf2 Ng4+ … 21. Kf1 Qd7 and Byrne resigned (see the final-position diagram in Chapter 5).]

04:45 He knows perfectly well what I said. Everybody knows this. Every chess pro who knows anything about me, who cares anything about me, who would ever write about me—the first source they’ll go to is My 60 Memorable Games by Bobby Fischer. And Bobby Ang is a professional journalist, so he knows damn well when I said Queen to Bishop One, or Queen C8 in algebraic, gave Black, according to my analysis, at least an even game. Why doesn’t he mention that? Why is he making it sound like you have to have Queen Rook to Queen One, or Rad1 in algebraic, so White has the advantage? He’s just trying to mock this game, which has received a lot of praise.

05:33 And then this outright lie: “Bobby told Keith and Auer that when he made this move, he had already seen the final mate.” Outright filthy lie. I said nothing of the kind. And I have the tapes. I’ve got every interview I’ve given since early 1999 right here in this jacket. I’ve got them indexed. Each interview—sixteen of them—indexed on my minidisc.

06:14 Each interview I have sixteen indexed marks on them. I can jump to any part very quickly, any important part almost instantly.

06:22 And there was about this part where we talked about this game—my 1963–64 US Championship game against Robert Byrne—was about six or seven minutes in there. And I listened to it. I can go there, you can even hear if you want—but no, for everybody on the internet, of course.

06:45 So this was in my interview in Manila of last year, the one I was on with Romy Quintanar.

06:54 Mercado Oh, the one with Romy?

06:56 Fischer Yeah. So you could go look down here, and you’ll see Bobby Ang is just a stinking liar. (laughs) I mean, how am I going to see a forced mate there? There is no forced mate there. He’s trying to make me sound like a braggart. It’s just despicable—but that’s not the end of it, all right? There are so many lies in here, you know, I could just go on and on. But it’s not… it gets even worse, Pablo, much worse, this Bob Ang.

07:21 So let’s go now. You know, he was putting my interviews on his internet site, right?

07:26 Mercado Yes, yes.

07:27 Fischer This is… where was his internet site?

07:37 Mercado You have the internet site? Yeah. Do you have the internet site with you, Bobby?

07:43 Fischer All right. Anyway, in any event, here’s what he did on his internet site. He falsified a document of mine. You remember, in many interviews I was saying that the heart of my case against the US government and Bekins and Bob Ellsworth is the fact that I sent him certified bank cheques every year to pay these bills of mine.

08:14 Because they didn’t take my property until late 1998 or early 1999—sometime around then they confiscated my property. The US government gave it to them, and they took it. Now, I put all of these five cheques that I sent to Bob Ellsworth on the internet. I sent them to Eugene, Eugene gave them to Bob Ang. And he has done an absolutely despicable thing here—utterly despicable, criminal even.

09:04 Here’s what he did. The cheque was from the Hungarian Foreign Trade Bank Limited, made out to Mr. Bob Ellsworth, for $5,000. And over here it’s written “USD.” The real one says “$5,000.” He changed it to “$5,000 File.” “File”—as in Dryer and Feil, one of the companies that auctioned off a tiny fraction of my belongings, less than 1%. That’s his little in-joke.

10:13 Absolutely vicious. But he did other things too. Look what he did here, with the letter from the US government.

10:26 Mercado What letter is that?

10:28 Fischer This was the letter they sent me warning me not to play in Yugoslavia. See, it’s just outright—look at this, he put these two lines here, crossing things out.

10:48 Plus, as further proof of his ill will: I gave five new interviews starting from Tokyo—when I called Pablo up—and then four more interviews here in the Philippines last year. He never put any of them on his internet site. He keeps talking about the “January 2000” interview. That’s not new anymore. We have much newer interviews, but he won’t put them up. I wonder if he’s going to put any of them on his website. This guy is just so despicable, you know. So utterly despicable. Obviously a CIA rat.

11:45 Mercado What do you intend to do about him now?

11:47 Fischer Nothing. I’m just exposing him. I’m not going to do more than that.

11:54 Mercado Alright. I’ve got a couple of questions I’d like to ask before we finally end the show—if this does not concern Bobby Ang or the other things we’ve been talking about. I’m curious, since you’re in the country right now…

12:08 There’s an ongoing demonstration in Manila right now. Do you have some opinion on this?

12:25 Fischer Well, first of all, I don’t think the whole thing—the way they ousted Estrada—was right, in my opinion. They can’t have it both ways. On the one hand, they were going through the impeachment process—doing it legally. And then when they saw they were going to lose that, they basically ousted him with a kind of military coup. And military coups are illegal by definition.

13:03 And now, after having done this illegal act, they’re being sticklers for the law with all this rigmarole and charges against him. It’s ridiculous. I think what happened was they screwed up. They were really hoping he would flee the country. They gave him plenty of time to leave. He did not. But he stayed, and now I think there could be trouble.

13:41 I think this Ramos is behind it. He’s a CIA rat. I was in Hong Kong when all this happened. A few days before the ouster, Ramos was in Hong Kong. And, well, I don’t like him, but I was very impressed by his brain, his personality—he’s a very powerful, intelligent person. He obviously knows everything. But you should have tried to stick with the legal thing, because most countries, once you start these coup things, it keeps going on and on.

15:00 Mercado What about this US–China thing going on right now?

15:05 Fischer Oh, well—I hope they keep the aeroplane. If you remember, in 1976, a Russian pilot defected to Hokkaido, Japan, in a MiG-25. And what happened? The US returned that plane to Russia—about two years later, in pieces, after they went through all the electronics.

15:33 Mercado How did it go? You don’t read about that, do you?

15:35 Fischer Yeah, you don’t read about that. I remember that. You know, that story was almost blacked out. So I would like to see the Chinese do the same thing to the US plane. And instead of returning the pieces, they should auction them off. And if they want, I’ll go to China to auction them off for them, free of charge. People would like a piece of it. I’ll go there and help them if they want.

16:09 Mercado Just to follow up on that. China is angry that the US, I think, is planning—or maybe has already sold—some armaments to Taiwan. There’s possibly this one-China policy issue.

16:21 Fischer The US has betrayed China. When they broke with Taiwan and opened negotiations with Red China, I think it was understood the US would not help Taiwan anymore militarily. So it’s very provocative what the US is doing. They’re afraid of China. They know China is hungry for revenge for all the humiliations that England and the United States did to them with opium and all that stuff.

17:33 Mercado What do you think of President Bush?

17:36 Fischer I was studying this guy’s face for a long time. I thought, “He’s an imbecile. He’s an idiot. He’s a jerk. He’s a liar.” Finally, I thought, what is the word that fits this guy? I heard it on the BBC. He’s a buffoon. Yeah, that’s the word that fits this guy perfectly. I mean, really, he is borderline retarded. If it weren’t for his father, he would have wound up on Skid Row, or in a mental hospital, or in rehab as an alcoholic or a drunkard.

18:25 Fischer I just remembered one more thing. I just saw a movie here called Antitrust—about computers and how a company tries to smash their competitors. Bekins is the biggest moving and storage company in the US, probably the biggest in the world. And I’m sure it’s owned by the Rothschilds. I’m sure Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer is owned by the Rothschilds. The original name of the first Rothschild—Amschel—was Mayer Amschel. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. Mayer Amschel.

17 Baguio, Philippines, June 30, 2001 ↑

[Fischer’s own three-page transcript of this interview, reproduced from his website:]

[Pablo Mercado hosts on Bombo Radio, Baguio. Fischer is in the studio. A new panellist, Melchor—a local journalist who covers the World Bank and institutional issues—is also present. This interview is distinctive for Fischer’s use of Philippine newspaper clippings to support his arguments. GM Eugene Torre does not appear to be present.]

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01:55 Mercado As you mentioned earlier, tonight we’re going to have Mr. Bobby Fischer with us again. This is a continuation of our previous interviews with the World Chess Champion. To get the record straight: tonight is Saturday, June 30, 2001. There are so many things we have to cover with Bobby tonight. Bobby, at least greet our listeners.

02:33 Fischer Hello, Pablo. Very nice to be back.

02:38 Mercado So many things to talk about. And this is Melchor.

02:49 Melchor How are you doing? I like when you talk against the World Bank and these big institutions.

02:58 Mercado Yes, and that’s part of our topic tonight, of course, with Bobby. You know, just a few minutes ago, Melchor, I’ve been talking with Bobby, and he showed me so many things that he would like to cover tonight. And we’ll talk first, siguro, of these newspaper clippings that he has.

03:20 Mercado These are clippings from Philippine newspapers, and you would be surprised—these are recent stuff. Bob, can you tell us something about these clippings you’ve been keeping?

03:35 Fischer Yeah. Since this Bekins robbery, since the US government expropriated a whole room full of my cash, valuables, and other belongings in Bekins in California, I’ve been cutting out a lot of clippings to back up what I’m saying.

04:12 One of them—here’s the story. “German Nabbed with $1.1 Billion Fake US Bonds.” This is from the Philippine Star, Wednesday, June 27, 2001. Well, it shows that a lot of people want to rip off the United States financially, which is fine with me. Because what do they say in Spanish? If a thief robs a thief, that’s not robbery. The United States is the biggest criminal, the biggest thief in the world.

05:30 You know, the Federal Reserve is a private corporation owned by the Jews. It’s a license to counterfeit.

05:37 Mercado You remember one time in the past, you were talking about the World Bank, and you said the World Bank is being run by the United States. Most of them are Jews, even.

05:49 Fischer I just had a clipping here. You know this new President of Peru? He’s from the World Bank. This is from the Manila Bulletin, June 5, 2001. This guy’s name is Alejandro Toledo. “A shoeshine boy who rose from poverty to become a World Bank economist before entering politics.” So he’s from the World Bank. He lived in the US before the CIA sent him down to run for President.

07:22 Mercado Is this the same as the “Cinderella” thing from the Bobby Ang book?

07:30 Fischer It’s not the same thing. But why didn’t they say “his Cinderella ride to the presidency of Peru”? Because he’s working for the Jews, right? And the Jews control the Associated Press. They’re not going to talk about him that way. I guarantee you, if Bobby Ang wrote an article about this Alejandro Toledo, he would not talk about his “Cinderella ride to the Peruvian presidency.” He knows exactly what he’s doing. If he said that about this Alejandro Toledo, he’d lose his job. Imagine if Bobby Ang wrote about Mike Tyson—his “Cinderella ride to the Boxing Crown.” He’d probably get his ear bitten off, right?

08:58 Mercado We have other issues here, like issues about radio announcers being killed.

09:23 Fischer A radio commentator on Bombo Radio was killed. It says here: “Police believe that Jun Cayaño, broadcaster and commentator of DXLL Bombo Radio, was shot and killed…” This is from the Bandera, May 31, 2001.

09:55 Mercado Let’s talk about the United States. I came across the clipping you showed me about the cleanup of toxic waste at the two bases in the Philippines.

10:24 Fischer Well, it shows that it is real that the US has polluted the Subic and Clark areas. And it had a very interesting quote. This fellow is Robert Underwood, US Representative from Guam. This is from the Philippine Star, June 19, 2001.

11:03 He says: “Both our nations share a profound concern for the quality of the environment, and the US has a moral obligation to the Philippines to cooperate in ameliorating this environmental degradation.” First of all, it’s much more than just a moral obligation. This is a legal obligation. When you poison an area, you should be legally obligated to pay.

11:36 And it says here: “The People’s Task Force on Bases Cleanup has monitored no less than 100 mysterious deaths among folk who had lived at the evacuation centre since the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991.” But I’m sure many, many hundreds, if not thousands, are sick and dying from this pollution.

12:41 Mercado Do you think the US government is about ready to help us clean up those bases?

12:48 Fischer No. I think the standard procedure of the US in these kind of cases—like with Agent Orange, like with the Gulf War veterans getting sick—they deny, deny, deny. And little by little they make more admissions. And they wait until as many people as possible have died off. And then maybe 25 or 30 years later, they start to admit, “Yes, it was probably caused by this.” And then they start to give small amounts of money. Seems to be their strategy: wait until as many victims as possible die off.

13:27 Mercado Why? I mean, if they really acknowledge that it was because of this thing happening, why don’t they just pay—

13:36 Fischer Or pay as little as possible, yeah.

13:38 Mercado Yeah, I think Melchor has a question regarding this.

13:47 Melchor So what’s now the intent of the US government?

13:52 Fischer They’re still in a delaying phase. They will delay and delay and delay, and then they will start to talk settlement—but it will be very, very small amounts. And I don’t think you’ll get any real money on this thing for at least another ten years, probably, maybe more. Even then, it will be a tiny fraction of what you should get. A tiny, tiny fraction. Only 1% of what they should pay.

14:42 Fischer There’s also this article about “responsible use of biotechnology.” The Catholic Church here came out with a pastoral statement regarding the responsible use of biotechnology. I don’t believe in tampering with nature at all. Cloning, putting genes from one plant into another or from one animal into another—this is absolutely monstrous.

15:52 This Cardinal—I don’t want to say he’s a CIA rat, but I understand he studied over in the States. And he and Ramos were part of this team who pushed Estrada out.

16:35 This whole thing with Estrada—clearly the US was behind pushing him out. I’m not saying he didn’t do anything wrong, but in the context of Philippine politics, he’s not that big a crook. People are telling me Ramos stole much more than Estrada.

16:55 I just have an article here—this is from the Philippine Star, June 5, 2001. “Roses and Thorns” by Alejandro R. Roces. “Some time ago, President Fidel V. Ramos was asked to explain where those funds went.” This is talking about the billions that went to the armed forces. And his reply was: “The money is there.” The question then was: where is there? So some people are saying he took the money himself. I don’t know, but I’ve heard that he’s a very, very rich man. This is what people are telling me.

17:52 Mercado Well, that’s the difference between the two leaders—one was not caught, the other one was caught.

18:00 Fischer Well, that’s another thing about this Estrada thing. This is trial by publicity. He was pushed out illegally. They should have continued to the very end with the impeachment process. They had no business starting it and then dropping out in a huff. If they believed in the impeachment process, they should have gone to the end. If they didn’t believe in it, they shouldn’t have started it, right. And so they pushed him out in a military coup. It was a military coup. This “People Power 2” was just window dressing, because they were not going to come running into the Malacañang. This was window dressing. What really happened was a military coup. But they don’t want to admit that this is a military takeover, you know. So this whole thing with Estrada is quite illegal.

18:53 Mercado By the way, they’re about to start off with the trial of the cases filed against Estrada. The court yesterday ruled against a television coverage of the trial. What do you think about that?

19:11 Fischer Well, that’s a separate issue. We’ve had that in the States too about TV coverage.

19:15 Mercado I was thinking about what happened when Estrada was booted out from Malacañang—it’s because of that coverage, they say. Well, some people say it is because of the television coverage of the impeachment hearings. And so this time the court would not want to inflame the emotions of the people by coming up with the television coverage of the trial.

19:43 Fischer Well, generally speaking, I don’t approve, I think, of television coverage of court proceedings myself, because it just sort of—everybody’s grandstanding, you know.

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[Fischer discusses the Estrada ouster and CIA involvement, Clinton and the Rothermere connection, the slave trade, and Chinese restaurants.]

00:24 Mercado Let’s talk about Milošević. You remember—

00:37 Fischer Well, on the other hand, I don’t believe in closed-door trials either. Trials should be open. But I don’t go for this television coverage—I think it tends to make people self-conscious. And I don’t know if that helps to get to the truth.

01:07 Fischer I was thinking a lot about this Estrada thing and what is behind all this. Everybody I talk to here tells me they’re all on the take. So why are they going after Estrada? I think maybe the real reason is, apparently, he’s been very friendly to a lot of Chinese businessmen—like Lucio Tan and some others. I think maybe the Jewish world government doesn’t like that. They want to squeeze the Chinese in every way.

01:57 For example, this thing in Nepal—I really wonder if we’re getting the real story on this assassination. The massacre of the whole royal family. And that’s also near the Chinese border. I feel they’re trying to encircle China, and anywhere there’s any Chinese interest, they’re trying to squeeze it.

02:18 So I think maybe this Makati crowd—which is the Ayala–Zobel group, right? They are the richest group in the country. Maybe they want to start squeezing the Chinese out more of the businesses, because the Chinese are also very powerful here, right? And also the rich Chinese here, of course, help Red China indirectly. They have a kind of symbiotic relationship. So I think that maybe the US government thought Estrada was too friendly, too fair, too good to the Chinese.

02:52 And now also there’s a lot of Chinese kidnappings, right? So I think it may be some kind of conspiracy against China in general—China and the overseas Chinese.

03:07 Mercado Why would the US want to do that against China?

03:09 Fischer Well, if you read the paper, apparently the US policy now—they’ve pretty much totally taken over Europe and formerly Communist Europe. They figure that’s already in the bag. So now they’re moving. They want to take China.

03:25 I think China is the most powerful—or potentially the most powerful—obstacle for the Jews to set up their world government. And China is helping the Muslim world with weapons. I think they’re really concentrating now on squeezing China in every way, the US government.

03:49 So I think that’s another component in why they pushed Estrada out. I think there may be a number of reasons, but that’s… also this thing where it’s completely ridiculous—the guy who accused him, right? He’s not being put on trial. He’s been given immunity. No, this whole thing stinks. It’s very unfair. Very unfair.

04:14 And they say he’s a very big crook too—the Singson guy. People are telling me he has this enormous fortune. He’s not denied it during the trial. Yeah, but I mean, they’re letting him go scot-free. So this whole thing smells of a conspiracy, right? At first when he talked, he made it sound like he didn’t give a damn—“I’m going to put myself in prison, but I just can’t stand this Estrada, because he’s such a hypocrite and a phony and a thief. I’ll go to prison too, just to get rid of him, push him out of the Malacañang.” But it turns out he had a deal—it was all wrapped up in advance, right? No, I don’t like this whole thing. It’s so unfair.

05:03 Fischer And also, Estrada—I don’t know him. I have no connection with him. I even criticised him on some other programmes. But you can see he’s a real gentleman. The way he’s handling himself in jail, talking with Mrs. Arroyo when she visited him—he shook hands with her and called her “Madame President.” If it were me, I don’t know—I’d have to really control myself.

06:02 Mercado Let’s talk about the US and the Jews. Last interview, you said former President Clinton is going to—where is that?

06:17 Fischer Oxford. You remember, in many interviews, I talked about how the US government and Bill Clinton and Bekins Moving and Storage and the Rothschilds—who I’m quite convinced own Bekins—and Bob Ellsworth conspired to rob my belongings. And I said that on the radio many times. And then it turned out, you remember, when I was in Japan, I read that article from the Daily Yomiuri, I think it was June 25th, 2000, where it turned out that Bill Clinton was going to be a visiting professor at the Rothermere Institute for American Studies, Oxford.

07:05 And I had just been saying that the Rothermeres—that’s just the name the Rothschilds use as a camouflage. So there you see the connection, right, between Clinton and the Rothschilds, who I believe own Bekins and who robbed my belongings, see?

07:24 And now there’s even more confirmation of this. Here’s an article from the Philippine Star, June 19, 2001. Talks about his daughter, Chelsea, who looks very Jewish, by the way—very, very Jewish. I think the mother, Hillary, is Jewish, even though she’s reportedly made an anti-Jewish statement. I think that was a cover. But she—I think she’s Jewish. She had some plastic surgery. And I think maybe Clinton also is Jewish, because if you notice she has quite kinky hair. But anyway, the mother, I think, is clearly Jewish.

07:54 And it talks about the daughter, Chelsea, who looks very, very Jewish, and it says: “She is expected to follow in her father’s footsteps and become a student this fall at Oxford University in England.” And that’s interesting because I’m sure Clinton will be there when she enrols. Because look—here’s another article from Time, June 25, 2001. It talks about winners here—winners and losers section. Clinton’s in the winners’ section, of course: “Bill Clinton, ex-pres, deemed a politician, not an entertainer, won’t have to pay taxes on his UK speaking fees unless he says something really funny.” So you can see he is going to be going to England, right, to give lectures and make big bucks. And he’s probably going to be a visiting professor at the Rothermere Institute for American Studies at Oxford—unless they cancel it because I exposed it on the radio.

08:58 He is in with the Rothschilds. This is clear. And the Rothschilds obviously own Bekins. I explained that even this movie, Antitrust, was put out by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer—and the original name of the first Rothschild, Amschel, his real name was Mayer Amschel. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. Amschel. There are so many tie-ins I have found with the Rothschilds and Bekins, it’s not even funny. And with President Clinton too.

09:39 Mercado How far-reaching are these Jews, really?

09:43 Fischer Very far-reaching. I think this Ayala–Zobel family here is connected with the Jews and the Rothschilds. I’ve been clipping on them too. They showed their pictures—to me, they’re not Filipinos. They’re very European. I think they’re Spanish Jews. And they’re the major player here—the richest family in the Philippines.

10:17 Mercado Ever since we’ve had these interviews, it’s always centred on the Jews—how they made the mistake of crossing Bobby Fischer.

10:37 Fischer Yes. History is going to show that they made a tremendous blunder in robbing my stuff at Bekins in late 1998, early 1999. They should have waited until I died, or until they killed me, before they robbed it.

10:59 Mercado Looking at this other clipping here, about the reappointment of Kofi Annan.

11:12 Fischer This is from the Manila Bulletin, June 25, 2001. Here it says: “Annan, a Ghanaian, took office January 1, 1997, after the United States blackballed the reappointment of Boutros Boutros-Ghali, a former Egyptian Deputy Foreign Minister.” What is this? The United States government blackballed somebody? I thought the United States, maybe they would vote against him—but they were blackballing? My understanding of the word “blackballing” is when you meet behind closed doors to conspire to destroy, to ruin somebody. Isn’t that your understanding of the word blackball?

12:08 Mercado Yeah.

12:09 Fischer So the United States blackballs people. The US government blackballs people. Like they probably have blackballed me too.

12:18 Right—blackballed me too. They want to put me in prison for ten years. They robbed all my belongings. They’ve given my name—“Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess”—to Learning International. That’s a trademark of Learning International, a Times Mirror Corporation subsidiary. They can make Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess shoes, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess clothing—anything they want. And give me nothing.

13:41 Here’s another article showing what a lawless country the US is. From the Philippine Star, June 19, 2001: “US to Break with ABM Treaty When Necessary.” So whenever it’s not suitable, they just tear up an international agreement. Whenever it’s necessary for the US interest, they just break the agreement.

14:05 I thought the US was the one that’s teaching everybody about fair play and contracts and market economy and rule of law. They’re telling China, “You have to set up a court system that’s compatible with the world economy, so people’s rights are protected.” And it turns out, the US will just break their international agreements when they think it’s necessary—not when they expire, but when it’s necessary to end it.

14:37 Mercado Probably a country of double-talk, then.

14:39 Fischer Yeah, double-talk, double standards. It’s a criminal regime—of course it’s a criminal regime; it’s run by the Jews. And look at the history of the United States—the most horrific history of any country in the world.

15:10 I’m just learning more and more about the slave trade—that it was all Jewish too. I didn’t know that the Jews owned the ships that brought the slaves to America. There’s a book called Who Brought the Slaves to America?

15:35 Mercado Wouldn’t it be nice if it was the other way around?

15:39 Fischer Yeah, yeah, it would be nice. I remember there was some joke somebody in Africa was making—he says, if Americans go to live in Africa, they’re “American Africans.” (laughs) But this is a really very interesting booklet. There’s one quote here that really struck me—I really think this is true. I mean, I know it’s a true quote, but I think it’s a fact. The author, I think, is anonymous.

16:23 Let me read this from page 28: “However, children sometimes exercise an instinct which adults stifle. Houston Stewart Chamberlain, in his Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, Volume 1, page 537, 1910 edition, said: ‘It frequently happens that children who have no conception of what Jew means, or that there is any such thing in the world, begin to cry as soon as a genuine Jew or Jewess comes near them.’ ”

17:24 The point is, children don’t speak language yet. Everything is basically pure emotion. They feel things. But we grown-ups intellectualise more. We listen to words more. Maybe we look at expressions more. But somehow, the little child—maybe they can actually pick up a vibration that we lose, that grown-ups lose as they get older. Because, like, I just heard now they’re learning that babies have perfect pitch. If you say certain musical things to them, they can repeat it back. But they lose it when they get older. So maybe children have something similar when it comes to feeling the goodness or the lack of goodness—the evil—in people.

18:05 It’s a kind of protection, you know. The Jew may look friendly, he may act friendly, he may hide his hatred as they’re told to do in their Talmud, but the baby picks it up and he starts to cry. He feels that the Jew wants to kill him—the Jew hates him. You see? The Christian baby feels it.

18:28 So here’s what the author continues: “You may take this reference of Chamberlain’s for what it may be worth, but I hasten to add that his works, volumes one and two, arrested the attention of the literary world and were speedily declared to be one of the masterpieces of the century. Do not minimise this great scholar of natural science.”

18:51 Mercado That’s amazing, you see, coming across studies of all things related to the Jews—and sometimes people would not, do not believe it immediately. They would rather try to look for excuses.

19:16 Fischer I want to read something here. This is about China.

19:24 And, um, well, you know, for years there have been rumours kicking around that the Chinese use cat meat for flavouring. This is what I’ve always heard. It’s kind of an ugly rumour, but it just doesn’t go away. I even had a comic book from Mexico telling how little children were employed by a Chinese restaurant to catch cats. Well, before they had that job catching cats, they used to catch dogs for some crooked people in the market—they were selling the dog meat as, you know, cow or whatever, beef. But then later they got a job working for a Chinese restaurant catching cats, and they were complaining in the story that it’s much harder to catch cats than dogs. (laughs)

20:19 Anyway, here’s the story. This is the International Herald Tribune, Monday, January 3, 2000: “Beijing’s Cat Owners Alarmed.”

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[Fischer discusses Chinese cat restaurants, Timothy McVeigh’s execution, the Bobby Ang book, DVD profits from Searching for Bobby Fischer, and US biopiracy.]

00:01 Fischer “Activists fight to save pets from being abducted for food.” And it actually says in this article: “It is a dish that a small minority of diners like to order in the homeland of Cantonese food, the southern province of Guangdong.” So apparently there are even cat restaurants.

00:34 “There, they’re sold to restaurants that often keep the cats and other live animals in cages for inspection by diners.” Now it’s coming out. In other words, the point is: where there’s smoke, there’s fire. This is such a persistent rumour—I heard it ever since I was a kid. Sometimes if you ask Chinese, they’d deny it—they don’t like to hear about it. I don’t say good Chinese restaurants do that. I doubt it—unless it’s a specialty, unless you go to a real cat restaurant. But the point is, there is something to this, right?

01:14 Now, I think it’s the same thing with this Jewish ritual murder. This is such a persistent story—there are many books about it. The Jews say it’s all antisemitism, all lies, all garbage—but it just won’t go away. So I think this ties in with the Jewish ritual murder.

01:35 You know, I gave you a little booklet on that. And the point is, I think also that the Jews would like to eat me. You remember I was talking to you about how they like to eat children for sausage? I believe the Jews want to eat me. And I have the proof—I’ll show you the proof right here. This is an article from American Chess Journal, Number Two, September 1993. And here’s an article by this guy called Edward Winter called “Instant Fischer.” Huh? So I think they want to eat me. Instant Fischer—just like instant noodle. (laughs) I think they’ve got eating Fischer on their mind. The Jews—this is a Jew publication. They hate my guts. Or maybe they love my guts, I don’t know. (laughs)

03:01 Mercado But this article you have here about the DVD…

03:07 Fischer Oh, yes. If you remember—these clippings all tie in with things I’ve been telling you on our interviews. Now here’s another thing about this Bobby Ang. In this section, “Agony of a Genius,” he has a big section about the robbery of my stuff at Bekins. He never once mentions the name “Bekins.” Can you believe that? How do you report on the robbery of my stuff at Bekins without even mentioning the name of the company?

04:18 Fischer And now about DVDs. They’ve already come out with over 10,000 DVD titles. So they’ve already made tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars on the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer without my permission. And they intend to keep making more. On one DVD, it can have twelve different language subtitles and maybe even more than one soundtrack. So they may be able to have an English-language version, maybe a German, whatever, all on the same DVD. So the profit potential is enormous. The cost is much cheaper than a video cassette, and the profits are much greater. So I’m sure they’ve already come out with another edition, a DVD edition of Searching for Bobby Fischer, to rip me off more.

04:56 Mercado By the way, you talk of Bobby Ang. Did he say in his book that the game from… before he passed away?

05:08 Fischer This guy is such an utterly disgusting creature. First, look what he says about his mother. Makes you wanna puke. This is the dedication of his book, this is Bobby Ang 2000. Look what he says about his mother: “To my mother, Esperanza Ang, who made me. Hope I was worth it.” (laughs) To me, this is insulting to a mother.

05:33 Okay, let’s skip that. Now, look what he says here: “To Very Reverend Father Frederick Fermin, Rector Magnificus of the University of Santo Tomás from 1978 to 1982, who took me under his wing when I was having a hard time making ends meet during my college days.” But now I am informed by somebody who says they got it first-hand from Bobby Ang, that his family owns most of the stock of this Standard Electric Company, Standard Appliance Company. They have an advertisement here from the Philippine Star, June 2nd, 2001. They make fans, rice thermoses, blenders, stoves, toasters… I don’t think they make laptops, but they make a lot of kitchen stuff.

06:42 So apparently he comes from a very, very rich family. Why is he trying to pretend—why is he trying to “poor-boy” it with this stuff?

06:51 Mercado Maybe he did not use the family fortune for his…

06:56 Fischer Maybe he’s afraid of being kidnapped, no? (laughs)

07:00 Mercado Without his name. (laughs) I don’t know.

07:06 Fischer Just to give you an idea what a disgusting creep this guy is, and how he’s my enemy—in this section, “The Agony of a Genius,” which we went into last time, he has a big section about this robbery of my stuff at Bekins. And he talks about the auction and all this stuff. He never once mentions the name Bekins. How do you report on the robbery of my stuff at Bekins without mentioning the name Bekins? How many times have I mentioned the name Bekins on this programme?

07:42 Mercado Several times.

07:42 Fischer Hundreds of times, probably. Literally hundreds of times, and he refused to mention the name Bekins. That tells you right there that he’s on the side of Bekins, and on the side of the Jews—the side of the Rothschilds, who I’m quite sure own Bekins. Could you imagine not mentioning the name Bekins? Unbelievable.

08:04 Mercado (laughs) Crazy.

08:13 Fischer Here’s another article from the Philippine Daily Inquirer: “Groups Say US Leading Biopiracy Perpetrator.” They go to countries like India, find some herbal cure they’ve been using for thousands of years, and they patent it and say it belongs to them. The US talks about intellectual property rights—but the US is the worst violator of them all.

09:07 Fischer I think, incidentally, coming back to China—it looks like the Chinese know how to treat the US. They really squeezed them. I think they haven’t returned that spy plane yet, right? Because the Olympics vote is coming up in a few weeks. The US promised a lot of things—to let them into the World Trade Organisation, to let them have the Olympics. So China is keeping the plane until they fulfil those promises. That’s what I think. Personally, I would not have returned those 23 spies myself. I would have taken every one of them to Beijing and put them on trial.

[Fischer is referring to the Hainan Island incident. On 1 April 2001 a US Navy EP-3 surveillance aircraft and a Chinese fighter jet collided over the South China Sea; the Chinese pilot was killed, and the damaged American plane made an emergency landing on Hainan Island. China detained its twenty-four crew members for eleven days, releasing them after the United States issued a carefully worded statement of regret: https://adst.org/2016/04/a-u-s-chinese-mid-air-collision-and-the-letter-of-two-sorries/.]

10:24 Mercado Recently, Timothy McVeigh was executed. What do you think about that issue?

10:37 Fischer This is more US hypocrisy. Everybody keeps talking about all the children who died in Oklahoma City, right? What about what the US did in Waco, Texas? They killed over 100 men, women, and children. And I think more children died in that fire, which the US government deliberately set, than died in Oklahoma City.

[The Waco siege ended on 19 April 1993, when the Texas compound of the Branch Davidian sect burned down during an FBI assault; some seventy-six people died, about twenty-five of them children. Official inquiries concluded that the Davidians themselves lit the fires—contrary to Fischer’s claim that the government set them deliberately—and the recorded death toll is lower than the “over 100” he cites: https://www.britannica.com/event/Waco-siege.]

11:06 That’s the reason they say McVeigh did this bombing—because he was so angry about Waco. When he saw that on TV, he was crying. He wanted to send a message to the US government. But the US never talks about those children, right?

11:45 Point number two: the US government had no business putting a kindergarten or nursery in that federal building. People all over the world hate the US government, including me. A lot of good people hate the US government. Osama bin Laden, Russia, China—so many people hate the federal government, right? Because of all of the crimes it’s committing: Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Iraq, Palestine. What is the US government doing putting those children in harm’s way? Did the US government put them there to discourage an attack on that building? Were they some kind of hostages to protect the federal workers?

12:35 Also, I remember—you remember back in the Iraq War, right? They killed like over a hundred, maybe several hundred, men, women and children in a shelter. And they were from families of high-level officials. They sent a smart bomb right in there and killed them all. The US government said, “Yeah, we killed them, because that was actually a command centre, and the Iraqi government put all those men, women and children in there as hostages so we wouldn’t attack the command centre. But we’re not going to be tricked like that. We’re not going to be manipulated like that. Their blood, and the blood of those women and children, is on the Iraqi government.”

[Fischer is describing the Amiriyah shelter bombing: on 13 February 1991, during the Gulf War, two US laser-guided bombs struck a civil-defence shelter in the Amiriyah district of Baghdad, killing some 408 people, most of them women and children. The United States said the building was a military command centre; investigators found it a marked and heavily used public shelter. Human Rights Watch, Needless Deaths in the Gulf War: https://www.hrw.org/reports/1991/gulfwar/.]

13:22 So the US government did the same thing there with that federal building. The US government is hated. They know they’re hated. I bet you now they don’t have any more kindergartens or nursery schools in federal buildings, huh? So they know—that’s another point, the sheer hypocrisy.

13:43 Fischer And another point that’s very dirty was this delaying his execution. You remember that the Attorney General, John Ashcroft, delayed the execution for, what, 30 days or a few weeks—about a month, right? Now, tell me if I’m wrong. I’ve been around 58 years, read the papers all the time. I do not recall ever an Attorney General delaying an execution. My understanding is governors can give reprieves, delay executions or pardon—right? The President can give clemency or pardon. Courts, of course, can delay executions—they do that all the time. I have never heard about the Attorney General delaying an execution. Have you?

14:24 But all the press is silent. So where the hell is this rule of law in the USA? Where did this John Ashcroft get the right to make this postponement? Just an example of what a lawless country the US is, and all the Jew-controlled press, nobody says a word about this. But maybe I’m wrong—somebody tell me where John Ashcroft got the right to make this pause. This is something either for the Governor of the State of Indiana, the President—this scumbag President Bush—or the courts.

14:55 Now, the reason apparently they did this delaying is they have a lot of evidence—more. There may be a lot of other people involved. We don’t know what the real story of this whole Timothy McVeigh bombing is, and they know it’s going to come out eventually, right? So they went, “We better let it out first.” Otherwise, people are going to be talking about conspiracies, other bombers, other people involved.

15:18 So they deliberately went through this charade of saying, “We discovered FBI documents.” How are you going to… According to what I read, these FBI documents were from FBI agents all over the country, offices all over the country—so thousands of people were investigated. How are you going to discover something like that at the last minute, that you suddenly have over 4,000 documents? This was a charade.

15:42 But somebody show me where it says the Attorney General can postpone a federal execution. I don’t believe he has that right. And why is the press keeping it so quiet? Where did he get the right to do this? I never heard of such a thing. And why am I the only guy saying this?

[Timothy McVeigh carried out the 1995 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City, which killed 168 people. He was the first federal prisoner executed in the United States since 1963, put to death by lethal injection on 11 June 2001. The postponement that puzzles Fischer was real: the date of a federal execution is set by the Justice Department, and Attorney General John Ashcroft moved McVeigh’s back by about a month after the FBI belatedly disclosed some 4,000 investigation documents that had not been given to the defence: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/oklahoma-city-bombing.]

16:04 Mercado Bobby, we have about an hour for this interview. Here’s a note that says you might be interested in giving your P.O. box.

16:22 Fischer Some of the people who are robbing me, some of their apologists, are saying the reason they’re selling my stuff is they don’t know where to contact me. So let me give you that P.O. box I’ve had for over twenty years: Robert James Fischer, P.O. Box 50307, Pasadena, California 91105, United States of America.

17:00 Also, you can reach me through that internet site I mentioned: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/

17:21 Fischer You remember I was saying how Clinton is in on this robbery, and that Rothermere is the name that the Rothschilds use to camouflage themselves, and that the Rothschilds own Bekins? And then it turns out Clinton is going to be a visiting professor at the Rothermere Institute for American Studies at Oxford? Well, I just saw a little advertisement by a company called Manugistics—“Leveraged Intelligence.” This is in Forbes magazine, July 24, 2000. And it says: “There’s no such thing as a coincidence.”

18:15 I want to read something that Spike Lee said. He’s the famous Black movie producer. This was a book called Malcolm X: The FBI File, by Clayborne Carson, with an introduction by Spike Lee. And look what Spike Lee says about the great United States: “I was fascinated reading this book. At the same time, though, I found it frightening. We all live in a wicked country where the government can and will do anything to keep people in check. I might add that I see the FBI, CIA, and the police departments around the country as one and the same. They’re all in cahoots. And along with the Nation of Islam, they all played a part in the assassination of Malcolm X.”

18:55 “King, both Kennedys, Medgar Evers, Fred Hampton—the list goes on and on.” So that’s what I’m saying about this robbery of my stuff in Bekins. Somebody says, “Well, that’s nothing to do with the federal government, Bobby—that’s your argument with the State of California or the City of Pasadena.” No. The US government is behind it.

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[Brief final segment. Fischer discusses the Capablanca–Alekhine match conditions, reads the chesscafe.com insult list, and discusses Milošević and depleted uranium.]

00:11 Fischer This is interesting. I read this article—the “Fischer King” piece from chesscafe.com. Now this guy absolutely hates my guts, right? But look what he says about the Capablanca–Alekhine match, 1927. He says: “The late, great twentieth century has Capablanca versus Alekhine, or the first Botvinnik–Tal matches, to be proud of. At least they were fair and mercifully apolitical.”

00:32 So he’s saying the Capablanca–Alekhine match was fair. But wait a second—that match, Capablanca had the advantage. If the match was tied nine to nine, he would retain the title. In order for Alekhine to become world champion—that was fair. But the reason supposedly the Jews were against… remember, my match with Karpov didn’t take place—all the press blamed me, right? They said I wanted unfair conditions, because I said the rule was not counting draws—first player to win ten games, but if it was tied nine wins to nine wins, the champion, me, would retain the title. So the challenger had to win by ten wins to eight wins, right? Minimum ten. Everybody said this is terribly unfair. Fischer’s a crook, Fischer’s a coward.

01:45 Now it turns out that that rule—if it’s a nine-to-nine tie, it’s first player to win ten; or if it’s a five-to-five tie, it’s first player to win six, the champion retains—is not unfair. And this guy who wrote this did not do this to help me, because this guy really hates me incredibly. Let me just prove he hates me, okay?

02:20 Fischer Then look what this guy says about me in his article: “For example, and please believe me that I do not do this out of spite or rancour. From the earliest days of Fischer’s career to this very day, he has been labelled brash, arrogant, selfish, self-centred, boorish, loutish, cruel, unreasonable, difficult, impossible, inconsiderate, ungrateful, petty, petulant, sulking, crass, insensitive, irrational, contentious, argumentative, aggravating, insulting, crazy, wicked and mad.” I would tend to agree.

02:58 Mercado That’s quite a list. I think we’ve just run out of time. I would like to say thank you again for coming over for the programme tonight. And I hope this will not be the last.

03:16 Fischer No, I hope not. It won’t be, Pablo. Thank you very much.

03:23 The Philippines—the only place that will let me get on. It’s unbelievable. I’m willing to go on the air anywhere. I just got a very good Sony microphone pickup for the telephone. I can talk by telephone anywhere in the world and get a perfect recording. I’m willing to go on in Iceland, Germany, Russia, Yugoslavia—if they want me. But they don’t want me.

03:55 Let me just say one more thing. I think this is very wrong, what they’re doing with Milošević, sending him to The Hague. The Yugoslav government did nothing wrong in Kosovo. The people there who made trouble are the same kind as the Abu Sayyaf crowd. The Serbs treated the Albanians well. If they treated the Albanians so badly, why were so many Albanians coming from Albania into Kosovo to live?

05:08 Clinton should be imprisoned for his real crimes. He dropped depleted uranium on Kosovo. He poisoned the whole area. Hundreds of thousands or millions of people may die prematurely from that. Many have already died from this radioactive poisoning. He’s the war criminal, not Milošević.

05:32 Mercado Well, you just heard our interview with Bobby Fischer, World Chess Champion. Tonight is June 30. It’s a Saturday here in the Philippines. This is Pablo Mercado saying thank you very much.

18 Manila, Philippines, July 6, 2001 ↑

[This interview takes place at DZSR Sports Radio 918, Manila. GM Eugene Torre hosts (Romy Quintanar is absent). NM Rolando Norte is also present. Fischer is in the studio. This is a long broadcast ( 2 hours) and is notable for Fischer’s discussion of Jackie Wilson, the Piatigorsky tournament connection to the Rothschilds, the falsification of his game results in Venezuela, and his detailed knowledge of Philippine newspapers and columnists.]

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00:03 Torre Hello. Hello. (laughs) I sound like Romy Quintanar, but I remember before, when he was here, that’s how he sounded. This is DZSR Sports Radio 918. Somehow, I’m taking this position because at the moment, we’d like to have a banter, you know, with my friend here, no other than the World Chess Champion, and to many chess players in the world, the greatest chess player of all time. Of course, I’m referring to no other than the world champion himself, Bobby Fischer. And beside him is our National Master, also residing in Baguio—actually, we are together in Baguio—National Master Rolando Norte.

01:19 So how are you, Bobby?

01:22 Fischer Very good, Eugene. It’s wonderful to be in the Philippines and back here on Sports Radio.

01:38 I’d like to play an old song by Jackie Wilson, if I could. This is going back to 1965.

01:53 Torre So you’re also a lover of music?

01:58 Fischer Oh, pop music. I love Jackie Wilson. They called him “Mr. Excitement.” And he really was. He had to cancel one of his concert tours because wherever he went, he was causing a riot with the girls. They were destroying the auditoriums, trying to rip his clothes off.

02:23 Torre How about Michael Jackson?

02:37 Fischer That quick crotch-grab that Jackson does? He learned that from Jackie Wilson. Jackie Wilson was a super talent—singing pop, rock, soul, everything. Dancing unbelievably, backflips, everything.

02:59 Torre What is this song?

03:10 Fischer It’s called “No Pity.” But to me, it’s about the entire United States. No pity.

[Jackie Wilson’s “No Pity (in the Naked City)” plays.]

07:00 Torre I can feel the anger, because of the frustration.

07:15 Fischer Yes. I was watching the BBC the other day and they were talking about the death penalty, and somebody called up and said, “There’s a streak of absolute mercilessness in America. And it’s passed from father to son.”

07:53 Torre Norte is here with us, Bobby. How about a word from Norte?

08:00 Norte Good afternoon to all listeners of Sports Radio. Just here to support Bobby.

08:09 Torre Bobby—people say you are regarded as a chess genius. But the other day you said—

08:20 Fischer I object to being called a chess genius, because I consider myself to be an all-around genius who just happens to play chess, which is rather different. A piece of garbage like Kasparov might be called a chess genius, but he’s like an idiot savant—outside of chess he knows nothing. This scumbag Kasparov—all these articles he writes for the Wall Street Journal on politics—it’s all ghostwritten for him.

08:55 Torre But I heard also that somebody ghostwrote for you in your memorable book, My 60 Memorable Games—by Grandmaster Larry Evans?

09:21 Fischer Well, that’s what the Jews are all saying. But how can the book be ghostwritten when in the very introduction to the book, I thanked him for his invaluable aid in the preparation of the manuscript? You don’t thank a ghostwriter. I said right in the introduction: “Finally, I wish to express my gratitude to Larry Evans, friend and colleague, for his invaluable aid in the preparation of the text, as well as for his lucid introductions.” Robert J. Fischer, New York City.

10:24 Torre Bobby, you were telling me you have this worry about the extinction of elephants. I didn’t know you were also concerned about the environment.

10:55 Fischer Yes. I think the Jews want to drive the elephants to extinction because the trunk of an elephant reminds them of an uncircumcised penis.

11:18 Torre But where did you get this opinion?

11:22 Fischer From my head. My observations. They’re not doing anything to stop the encroachment on the nature that the elephants need to survive, you know. They’re sick. Jews are sick. They’re mental cases.

11:43 Torre But you know, Bobby, here in the Philippines, circumcision is quite accepted. Actually, a few weeks ago, I saw on TV there was a programme to circumcise children, you know.

11:56 Fischer This is the Jewish American influence. It’s the same in the US.

12:01 Torre Oh, really? How about in Japan?

12:05 Fischer Also in Japan. Pick up any girly magazine, and they will have pages of advertisements by circumcision clinics. They promote it there in Japan—not so much for cleanliness, but they say, you know, you can last longer and the girls like it better. They show all the girls smiling with the circumcised guys.

12:30 Torre But you are definitely against circumcision, no?

12:34 Fischer Oh, it’s a crime. It’s criminal. Absolutely criminal. The Jews say they know better than millions of years of evolution.

12:42 Torre You mean nature?

12:43 Fischer Yeah.

12:46 Torre And in my regards, with my generation, I thought also that circumcision had been here for a long time, but I wonder if during the Spanish time it was promoted also here?

13:01 Fischer No, absolutely not. This just came with the Americans, and especially I think, probably after World War II.

13:13 This is an unforgivable crime, circumcision. You know, this is why the Jews were driven out of Palestine 2,000 years ago.

13:21 Torre Really?

13:23 Fischer Because the Roman governor of Palestine was Hadrian. And he signed a decree forbidding circumcision and other bodily mutilations, on penalty of death. And the Jews—they could not accept this, and they went bonkers, and they rebelled against the Romans. And of course the Jews—they’re not fighters. They have miserable bodies. They’re cunning, they’re like rats—but when it comes to fighting, they were no match for the Romans. So they got completely wiped out. And that’s the truth—that’s why they were driven out of Palestine. It’s absolutely true, this is historical fact. Over circumcision. They refused to give up this insane mutilation.

14:10 Torre I believe this is the road to sanity for the Jews…

14:12 Fischer The only road to sanity for the Jews is to admit that circumcision is a crime.

14:34 Torre Muslim?

14:35 Fischer Yeah—but I believe that also is the work of the Jews. I think the Jews were very influential on Muhammad, the founder of Islam. Don’t forget, Islam also has the Sabbath, right? They have the Sabbath too, like the Jews, except they changed it from… the Jews have it from Friday night to Saturday night—no working. The Muslims have it from Thursday to Friday night. And also, the Jews don’t eat pork; the Muslims don’t eat pork. But also circumcision—the Jews practice it on the eighth day after birth, but Muslims, I think they do it when the kid’s about twelve. So it’s kind of a take-off on Judaism, Islam.

15:21 Torre Sometimes some people, they say you blame the Jews all the time.

15:26 Fischer Yeah, I do, because if you study history, you will see. They’ve covered up history.

15:33 Torre I notice… well, I could not blame you. You have been very strong against the US—you have attacked the US, considering what they have done to you. But, you’re not worried, or you’re not afraid? For example, here—we are here in the radio station now. Everybody could listen to our conversation.

16:04 You’re not afraid? You could easily be arrested. The Philippines and the US have an extradition treaty.

16:26 Fischer I have a federal warrant that was issued December 15, 1992, in Washington DC, for playing chess in Yugoslavia. They want to put me in prison for ten years.

16:36 Torre But so far, they have not tried to extradite you from any country?

16:42 Fischer No. They may have asked some countries, but maybe they refused. Or the other possibility is the US doesn’t have the guts to do it. I don’t know which is the truth.

17:12 Torre My opinion also is that I think they’re worried if they make this move, it will highlight what they have done to you. And considering that they are supposed to be the protectors of human rights now…

17:32 Fischer Supposedly, yeah.

17:35 Torre What they have done to you is just inconceivable, no? And also, I think you told me somebody told you that President Bush—I think the senior, the older one—at that time when you had this ’92 arrest warrant, somebody told you that actually he did not want to indict you?

18:08 Fischer Oh yes, this is interesting. I talked to somebody in the States some time ago. This is just a story, I have no confirmation of it. It may not be true—but she told me that President Bush, back in ’92, did not want to indict me for playing in Yugoslavia. But that the Jewish world government sent down a former mayor of New York City—Ed Koch—to put pressure on President Bush. Mayor Koch is a Jew, of course. He put pressure on Bush to indict me.

18:55 Torre New York City.

18:56 Fischer New York Shitty. He went down there and put pressure on Bush to indict me. They say that Koch is a homo, I don’t know whether that’s true. But when he ran against Cuomo for governor—Mario Cuomo—Cuomo had trucks going through New York City with loudspeakers blaring through the streets: “Vote for Cuomo, not the homo. Vote for Cuomo, not the homo.”

19:32 Torre I listened to that “No Pity.” I like that Jackie Wilson. I’m wondering if you have other favourites of Jackie Wilson? Maybe for some kind of intermission, you know.

19:48 Fischer I have to queue them up.

19:50 Torre Okay, look for them. So—Bobby, there was this poem I remember…

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[Fischer reads the poem “Anyway” (author unknown). Discussion of his internet addresses, The Secret World Government, and the Rothschilds’ connection to Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Bekins.]

00:00 Torre You read me one poem—you told me one poem and I like it. It’s some kind of honest-to-goodness poem. It has a very courageous message. I think the name of this poem is titled “Anyway.”

00:30 Fischer Yeah, if I can dig this out. This is a poem a weightlifter friend of mine back in the States sent to me. Okay, here it is. It’s called “Anyway,” by author unknown. I’m not the author, by the way. This is some anonymous author.

00:58 Fischer reads “Anyway. People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centred. Love them anyway. If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives. Do good anyway. If you are successful, you will win false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable. Be honest and frank anyway. The biggest man with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest men with the smallest minds. Think big anyway. People favour underdogs but follow only top dogs. Fight for some underdogs anyway. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People really need help, but may attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best you have, and you’ll get kicked in the teeth. Give the world the best you have anyway.” Author unknown.

02:21 Torre Before we go to other details, you told me you want to announce your internet address.

02:37 Fischer Yes. I believe this is a reliable address for my interviews: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. It’s got all of my first sixteen interviews, and soon we’ll have the seventeenth, which I just gave a few days ago in Baguio. And this interview, which is the… is this already the seventeenth or eighteenth?

03:11 Torre No, this is the eighteenth. You had already another new one in Baguio before this one?

03:25 Fischer Yeah, yeah.

03:27 Torre You were not there—you were down here in Manila—which is not yet in the internet in Japan, right?

03:36 Fischer Right, not yet.

03:39 Torre Okay, so anyway, since you’re still looking for that address, I have written it down also, so I might as well read it ahead of you, Bobby. Bobby Fischer’s internet address in Japan is: “home,” which is H-O-M-E, dot A-T-T or A as in Thailand-Thailand, dot N-E as in North-England, dot J-P like in Japan, slash, and then “moon” like the moon, M-O-O-N, then slash Fischer, F-I-S-C with a C—Fischer with a C—H-E-R. Because sometimes I see some writings where Fischer, you don’t have a C, you know—which is incorrect. So again, I repeat: it’s home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer.

04:53 And then I’ll announce also another internet address where you could listen to Bobby Fischer’s all interviews. It’s being set up here in the Philippines. It’s www.pworld.net.ph/bobbyfischer. So I think these are the two reliable internet addresses of Bobby Fischer.

05:28 By the way, maybe it’s better if you read it yourself also, Bobby, your internet address, so that people can listen.

05:39 Fischer Yeah. This is http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer.

05:54 Torre Okay, so since we are already talking of internet address, I think you wanted also to announce the Secret World Government address or PO Box and also your internet address.

06:18 Anyway, you want me to announce it myself first and then you read it?

06:24 Fischer Okay. I have it right here. This book, The Secret World Government, as I explained, is my Bible, and here’s where you can get it. The Book Tree, Post Office Box 724, Escondido, California, 92033. And their internet address is www.thebooktree.com.

06:52 The author is Major General Count Cherep-Spiridovich. And also, believe it or not, you can get this on Amazon.com. That’s where I got it from. I don’t know why he’s selling it, because he’s a Jew, that Jeff Bezos, but I guess he wants the money.

07:13 Although I have to say, this edition is missing two important pages—the inside cover and the back cover—but nonetheless, it’s still tremendous even without those two pages.

07:25 Torre More or less the content is almost completely intact?

07:30 Fischer Yes, almost completely intact. And this is by Major General Count Cherep-Spiridovich, written in 1926, published 1926 for the first time.

07:45 Torre I know you mentioned this earlier already, but why do you regard this as your Bible?

07:52 Fischer Well, this is the only book… I’ve read thousands of books and booklets about the Jews. Thousands of books, booklets, magazines about the Jews. And some of them emphasize how rotten the Jews are, and then there are other ones that talk about the Rothschilds, but none of them put it all together—the Jews and the Rothschilds—showing how they have this secret world government, how they run the world. This book really puts it all together. I’ve been studying this book since 1977. I’m still learning from it.

08:21 And just the other day I saw this movie Antitrust—and it was put out by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. And in the movie, they had a big promotion for Bekins Moving and Storage. And now, if you will check in The Secret World Government, what was the original name of Amschel Rothschild the First? It was not the name he was born with. His real name is Mayer Amschel—that’s the name he was born with. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. Mayer Amschel—promoting Bekins Moving and Storage Company.

09:17 Here’s another connection right here. Here is an article from the Financial Times Weekend, October 28–29, 2000. It’s about a company called Auction Room, eauctionroom.com—and it’s a cyber bidder. It says: “Become a cyber bidder on eauctionroom.com. Share in the thrill of the auction via the internet. Discover thousands of objects, new catalogues and auctions from around the world every day. Watch the sale and bid in real time as if you were in the sale room itself. For further information, call us on +33 0 1 58 36 41 06. With eauctionroom.com, to be or not to be in the sale room is no longer the question.” And then it says on the bottom: “Experience the thrill of live auctions on the net.” You know—experience the thrill of buying stolen property of Bobby Fischer, right? (laughs)

10:20 Now look at this. There’s a picture of a guy, and above him is an old drawing of who? Mayer Amschel—or rather, Amschel Rothschild I, who originally was Mayer Amschel, the First, his original name was Mayer Amschel. And underneath him is a picture of somebody who’s obviously a Jew. His name is Michael Cicurel, Chairman of the Executive Board, Compagnie Financière Edmond de Rothschild, France.

10:53 So the Rothschilds, when they robbed my stuff at Bekins that took me decades of hard work to earn and save and preserve, they knew exactly what they were doing. They intend to make hundreds of millions of dollars out of that stuff, if not more. Hundreds of millions of dollars. I am not exaggerating. Look—just this movie Searching for Bobby Fischer is making them tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars, right? And with the material they have in there—the archives, the information—they can make many more movies, books about me. The intrinsic value of the stuff, if they wanted to sell it, is huge. But even if they don’t want to sell it, just the usefulness to them to make money is gigantic.

11:37 Torre And they also claim that they are the owner of “Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess”?

11:42 Fischer Yes. The US government, the Department of Patents and Trademarks, has officially given Learning International—a Times Mirror Corporation subsidiary—the ownership of “Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess” as their trademark. That means they can use “Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess” any way they want.

12:12 Torre Wow. So they can come out with a CD-ROM, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess CD-ROM, make millions—not give you a penny?

12:18 Fischer Yes, that’s what they’ve done. They come out with a CD-ROM of Bobby Fischer, giving me nothing.

12:25 Torre Is it possible for them, like “Bobby Fischer” in big letters and then in small letters “teaches chess” and then “computer”?

12:31 Fischer Right. They can come out with it. Well, first of all, “Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess” is good, because it ties in—there are many Bobby Fischers in the world, right? Maybe many hundreds of thousands. But how many of them are the chess player, right? So when they say “Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess,” immediately they know that is the Bobby Fischer. So they can sell Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess chess clock, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess chess computer, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess chess set, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess line of clothing—Bobby whatever they want.

13:12 Torre So what happened to your patent, or whatever, your rights?

13:16 Fischer Well, they’re gone. The Jews have taken them.

13:22 Torre And you said Jackie Wilson was murdered by the Jews?

13:33 Fischer They say he was murdered because he was supposed to testify at a trial against Brunswick Records, which put out all of his records. But anyway, now the Jews own all of his songs. His family is getting nothing or next to nothing. The Jews are making the money on his songs today. And they say that when he collapsed on stage—that heart attack was just before he was supposed to be scheduled to testify. They say that heart attack was induced by giving him some kind of poison.

14:06 Torre When you were talking about Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess—you were telling me, I think last night, that there is also this DVD?

14:17 Fischer No, I’m just pointing out there’s a new format of videos now, at home, for watching movies at home. It’s called DVD. And this is like a little record, you know, and you can play this now, and now many people are buying the DVD players. And this is a whole new format to make money with Searching for Bobby Fischer. And also, not only are they going to make money because people will watch it on their DVD, but these like PlayStation 2—also you can play movies, DVD movies, on PlayStation 2. You need a little card adapter—a memory card. So there are at least two different DVD players in the home now: the parents will have their DVD, the kid will have his PlayStation.

15:11 So—and it’s much, much cheaper to produce this DVD. Plus you can put subtitles on the same DVD in twelve languages, plus maybe more than one soundtrack for the same DVD. So you can buy it and then push a button, it’ll be in German—the soundtrack—or push another button, it’ll be in English. So the profit potential is just enormous. And I guarantee you they intend to make tens, if not hundreds of millions, of more dollars on Searching for Bobby Fischer, and give me nothing, of course.

15:39 And the owner—you know, the owner in quotation marks—of Searching for Bobby Fischer is this scumbag Sumner Murray Redstone, who owns Paramount Pictures through Viacom.

15:51 Torre So you don’t want to sue them?

15:56 Fischer Yeah, yeah. Come on.

16:02 Torre I remember you patented the official chess clock—the timing system with the increment, being used now by FIDE and in the US.

16:17 Fischer Nothing. I get nothing from anything. I don’t get any money from my chess clock patent. I get nothing from My 60 Memorable Games. Nothing from Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess—the book or the CD-ROM. Nothing from the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer.

16:49 And the latest thing—I came out with a little booklet years ago called I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jailhouse. Now this Sarah Hurst, obviously Jewish, writing in two separate editions of her book on internet chess, says I gave Tim Krabbé permission to publish—I gave him the rights to publish this I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jailhouse. Outright lie. I don’t even know Tim Krabbé. I never had any dealings with him, never talked to him, as far as I know. Never talked to the guy, never met the guy.

17:37 Fischer So again—why in the world would I give him the rights to my book? Even if he weren’t a Jew, why should I give up… I had to suffer, almost died in the Pasadena jailhouse. I was tortured for two days. Why should I give up the rights to that book to him? Or anybody? But they’ve stolen that too.

18:03 So I get… it’s a clean sweep. I get nothing for anything I have produced. And also, of course, they’ve stolen my property. The US government stole my property at Bekins Moving and Storage Company in Pasadena, California, and just turned it over to Bekins. Plus, the US wants to put me in prison for ten years on trumped-up charges for playing chess.

18:40 Torre Somehow I saw in your face and your words—you somehow envy my position, in a way, because you see the big difference. The way I’m being treated by the Philippines versus the way you’re being treated by the United States.

19:05 Fischer I just saw an article—this is from the Philippine Star, Thursday, July 5, 2001. A column called “Roses and Thorns” by Alejandro R. Roces. He says: “Yesterday, we commemorated Filipino-American Friendship.” I can’t agree there is any real friendship between the United States and the Philippines. They abused you from day one.

19:46 He says: “The original Manila that took thirty years to build was destroyed by just three days of American bombing and shelling during the liberation.” I didn’t know that. Very, very many people were killed—I think hundreds of thousands of Filipinos.

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[Fischer discusses the destruction of Manila in WWII, Larry Evans’s lies about Lombardy, the Capablanca–Alekhine match conditions (again), and Israeli politics.]

00:00 Fischer What right did the United States have to destroy Manila to drive the Japanese out? The United States had no more right to the Philippines than the Japanese did. You would have been much better off if Japan had won World War Two.

00:37 I was in Japan a couple of months ago. I saw a preview for the movie Pearl Harbor. And they showed the Japanese airplanes coming in to bomb Pearl Harbor, and I applauded. Nobody in the theatre applauded.

01:02 Fuck the United States—it’s the worst country in the world. It’s the worst country, not only in the world—it’s the worst country that has ever been, and hopefully will ever be.

01:11 Torre Well, that’s a pity coming from you, Bobby, because you had done so much for America, for its prestige.

01:21 Fischer I’m sorry I did.

01:24 Torre Bobby, you reminded me about Evans—you wanted to read something. Evans on Chess. For a change, we’ll get something about chess, Grandmaster Larry Evans.

01:41 Fischer Let’s get into it. He’s a Jew, you know, of course. So this is from Chess Life—which I call Chess Lies. March 2001. This is a column called “Evans on Chess” by Grandmaster Larry Evans—which incidentally is very funny, his title is. He calls himself Grandmaster Larry Evans.

02:14 Torre But he’s a Grandmaster, right?

02:17 Fischer Yeah, he’s a Grandmaster. I’m not taking that away from him. But this fake, forged, counterfeit, pirated Batsford edition of My 60 Memorable Games, supposedly written by me but actually not—it’s all forged. They took away his Grandmaster title. In the original book I said, “With introductions by International Grandmaster Larry Evans.” They just said, “With introductions by Larry Evans.” He doesn’t seem to mind that. He says he likes that book better than the original edition.

02:45 Torre Even without the title Grandmaster?

02:46 Fischer Yeah.

02:51 But listen to this—this is interesting, just to show what fantastic liars the Jews are. And this is just ordinary stuff for them. They just lie continuously about me. Lying is second nature to them.

03:23 Okay, let’s read this. This is “Vow of Silence,” as I say. This is from Chess Life, March 2001. Question. This letter is from Robert H. Burns Jr., Euclid, Ohio—this is not Robert Byrne, this is B-U-R-N-S—somebody else, Robert H. Burns Jr., Euclid, Ohio. “I always wondered why GM Bill Lombardy, a priest who served as Bobby Fischer’s second against Boris Spassky in 1972, never wrote about that match. A friend of mine once asked Lombardy if perhaps Fischer had invoked the sanctity of the confessional. Bill looked at him and said, ‘A very interesting theory.’ Why do you think Lombardy was silent?” Evans answers: “Lombardy was under a gag order. Fischer asked me to continue as his second after his match with Petrosian at Buenos Aires in 1971, but I couldn’t promise to take a vow of silence. It’s a sad fact that many masters make more from writing about chess than playing chess. Fischer later unsuccessfully sued Brad Darrach, a journalist at Life magazine, for writing a book called Bobby Fischer vs. the Rest of the World in violation of their written agreement.”

04:37 Now anybody who reads this would think that Lombardy never wrote about the match. But it was common knowledge that Lombardy did write about the match. He wrote a very, very long article—an endless article—for Sports Illustrated, January 21, 1974, entitled “A Mystery Wrapped in an Enigma.”

05:22 Fischer Every single chess player in those days knew about this article. Any chess player over expert. Every single master in the country knew about it. And every single grandmaster, of course, like Evans, knew about it—Evans especially, since he’s a journalist. So he’s simply trying to deceive the public. He knows perfectly well that Evans—I mean, Lombardy—wrote an article about the match.

06:10 Torre So he knew very well, no?

06:11 Fischer Yeah, of course. Everybody knew it. Only people who don’t know it are the many young people. Many people today have forgotten about it. But he just… maybe he would say, “Oh, well, it was a mistake.” Well, the Jews—that’s how they are, they always like to cover themselves like that.

06:30 I remember the other day in Israel—the Jews, they killed five Palestinian policemen. And they just said it was a mistake. “We thought they were somebody else.” Or the other day in Israel, they sent bombs into tents of three Bedouin women.

06:49 Torre Yeah?

06:50 Fischer Horrible bombs with thousands of tiny darts in the bombs, called flechettes.

06:57 Torre What? This is the first time I heard of that.

06:59 Fischer Yeah, it was a monstrous weapon. And of course it killed all three women. And then they said, “Ah, it was a mistake.”

07:10 Also the other day, they had a truce meeting in Israel proper—the independent state of Israel proper. And the Palestinians, some people from the Palestinian Authority, the government, went from Palestine into Israel proper to meet with the Jews to have a peace meeting. On the way back, before they crossed into the occupied territories, the Jews were shooting at their car, trying to kill them.

07:37 Torre Oh, this is mafia stuff, no?

07:40 Fischer The Jews are a mafia of criminal people.

07:43 Torre Anyway, you’re talking about… speaking of the Jews…

07:47 Fischer Speaking of the devil. I have an article here, very interesting. This is from the Philippine Daily Inquirer. And this is called “The Right Brew in Hebrew.” This is Monday, July 2nd, 2001. And the Jews, as always, they’re trying to wangle in garbage about the so-called Holocaust, which I’ve explained many times never happened. At the end of the article they say: “Of course, we all know the fate that befell six million Jews under Nazi hands during the Holocaust years. If anything, this correction also proves the courage and resilience of Yahweh’s chosen people after the diaspora.” You know.

08:40 But, it’s very interesting. There’s a picture here, I’ve seen her before. This is a picture of the Israeli ambassador to the Philippines. Her name is Irit Ben-Ava. And there’s another picture of another woman from there—another woman called Second Secretary Hagit Ben-Yaacov. And then a couple of Filipinos with them. But they’ve got two pictures. One is of the Israeli ambassador, another of the second secretary.

09:20 And this Israeli ambassador, I’ve seen her picture before. She has very short hair and a very mannish look on her face. This is her name as I say, Irit Ben-Ava. She’s obviously, I mean, to me… she’s obviously a lesbian, you know. And her second secretary—she has slightly longer hair, slightly more feminine. She’s her partner, I’m sure. This Israeli ambassador is butch, you know. There’s no question she’s a homo.

09:54 Torre But that’s going personal, Bobby, maybe, you know? Nothing to do with you.

10:00 Fischer Well, when the Jews… when they robbed my stuff in storage, thirty years of work, you know…

10:07 Torre Yeah, I understand how it hurts. It pains a lot, yeah.

10:12 Fischer They personally, the Israelis are going after me. This book by Eliahu Gur, you know, on my games—if you get the title of it, I have it in here. He’s from Israel, and he’s, you know, he’s falsified game scores, falsified game positions. Israel itself is going after me, not just Jews in general. But Israel, yeah.

10:47 But I tell you, I’m not saying it’s wrong for her to be a lesbian. I’d like to see all Jews be lesbians and homos—then that’ll solve the problem with the Jews. There’ll be no more Jews, no?

11:05 Torre But maybe we take a little relaxing with your favourite music?

11:14 Fischer The next song is another style, Jackie Wilson, a little more upbeat. This shows his tremendous energy and sexuality. This is “Shake, Shake, Shake.”

11:25 Torre You really love this Jackie Wilson, huh?

[Fischer fumbles with the cassette / minidisc player for about a minute.]

11:44 Fischer Wait a second.

11:45 Torre Okay. Bobby is still fixing it there, right?

11:49 Fischer Oh, my goodness. We’ll get it a little later, “Shake, Shake, Shake.” Okay, I can do two things at once. They say Alexander the Great could think of three things at once.

12:48 Yeah, one second here—I have it now. Wait a second, I have it now.

13:08 Torre And regarding the Capablanca–Alekhine match?

13:21 Fischer It was the first to win six games. The one who wins six games becomes the champion.

13:31 Torre But I only realised yesterday, Bobby was telling me, that in case of five-all…

13:41 Fischer Capablanca retains.

13:44 Torre I didn’t know that match clause was existing. I think the reason Bobby would like to touch on this is that there were many write-ups regarding his scheduled match with Karpov in 1975, but his condition was first to win ten games.

14:13 Fischer Okay—this is an article that was on the internet by Paul Kollar. Now this guy is my enemy. He has insane hatred toward me. Look what he says in this article. This is from www.chesscafe.com. He says: “The late, great 20th century has Capablanca versus Alekhine, or the first Botvinnik versus Tal matches to be proud of. At least they were fair and mercifully apolitical.”

15:01 Now, what were the conditions of Capablanca–Alekhine that he says were fair and mercifully apolitical? The condition was that the first player to win six games wins the match, draws not counting. But if the match was tied five wins to five wins, the money would be split equally—and Capablanca would retain the title. So in other words, Alekhine would have to have won the match by two points. He had to win at least six games to four. The challenger had to win by at least two points.

15:43 Now, all the press attacked me in 1975 and said I was a crook and a coward for proposing a similar rule—the first to win ten games, with a 9–9 draw meaning the champion retains. Which is at least as fair as Capablanca–Alekhine, and actually fairer because the match is longer—the challenger has a better shot.

16:43 And I just wanted to prove that this Paul Kollar—who made this statement about Capablanca–Alekhine being “fair and mercifully apolitical”—is my enemy. There’s no question he’s my enemy. I just read this before. Here’s what he says about me: “For example, and please believe me that I do not do this out of spite or rancour: from the earliest days of Fischer’s career to this very day, he has been labelled brash, arrogant, selfish, self-centred, boorish, loutish, cruel, unreasonable, difficult, impossible, inconsiderate, ungrateful, petty, petulant, sulking, crass, insensitive, irrational, contentious, argumentative, aggravating, insulting, crazy, wicked and mad. I would tend to agree.”

17:30 So this is not my friend. He did not say that match was fair to help me. He says: “The late, great 20th century has Capablanca versus Alekhine, or the first Botvinnik versus Tal matches to be proud of. At least they were fair and mercifully apolitical and hysteria-free.” I rest my case.

18:13 Torre Well, for a change, we go a little bit lighter. We have some callers. They’re asking—what are your other recreational activities?

18:30 Fischer I like movies. I like pop music. I like reading. I read a lot. I listen to the BBC. I listen to the VOA even, just to keep up with what the enemy is saying. I watch CNN and listen to CNN on the radio—they have their own radio news sometimes. And now I’ve been taking up tennis again. I got me some good sneakers, from my brother-in-law in the States. It’s hard to get my size, you see.

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[Continuation. Fischer recaps his portfolio shift out of dollars, then discusses Fischer Random (Lékó–Adams match in Germany), the Rothschilds, the Piatigorsky tournament, and falsified game results.]

00:00 Fischer Well, three… I mean, $3,000,000-plus left. I don’t know exactly what it is in Swiss francs, but no longer in US dollars. I’m completely out of the dollar.

00:08 You know, remember I was with you last year? Every time I’d pick up the paper, I said, “I’d like to see the dollar get stronger against the peso.” Right? And you were getting irritated, because you’re happy and we Filipinos are suffering, because the dollars are getting stronger. (laughs) And I sounded a little bit like a hypocrite, wanting the dollar to get stronger. Now I want to see the dollar totally collapse.

00:36 But I did this at a big sacrifice, Eugene. With the dollars I was getting about 6% interest at Union Bank of Switzerland. But now the Swiss-franc accounts and bonds, they pay very little—less than 3%. So I’m losing over 100 grand a year. (laughs) But I feel much better being completely out of the dollar, you know.

01:08 Torre Other question here—childhood life of Bobby. How ordinary it was?

01:14 Fischer It was ordinary, in some ways, but in other ways it wasn’t so ordinary. I got good in chess, you know.

01:22 Torre Love life of Bobby. How colourful is it? You don’t have to answer, Bobby.

01:28 Fischer It’s pretty colourful. Maybe can be even more colourful.

01:35 Torre Another Spassky? Another Fischer–Spassky match?

01:40 Fischer Oh, I don’t think so. First of all, I don’t play chess—I play Fischer Random. I have no objection to playing him, but I don’t know if they would be much interested.

02:24 Torre Touching on Fischer Random—a match between Lékó and Adams was held in Germany. I think they played Fischer Random at about 25 minutes plus a 30-second increment per move. And Lékó won 4½–3½.

03:15 Fischer Well, I have mixed feelings about this match. I think it’s good to promote Fischer Random chess, but on the other hand, they’re trivialising it somewhat by playing at this fast speed. In the beginning, the introduction, it should be played at a longer time control. Later, of course, it can be played quickly—but I don’t think people are seeing just how beautiful and deep a game it is, because of this fast speed.

03:50 Torre I agree with you, Bobby. I think if there is a continuation of support—in introducing this game, it should be played in a longer time, more serious games. Also, I noticed in the newspaper today, when they had the games, they didn’t give a diagram of the starting position—they gave it in notation.

04:24 Fischer No good, no good—because you cannot replay the game in your head. You cannot visualise the starting position in your head and then follow the game, you see?

04:42 Torre So while you’re fixing that music, Bobby—last question. Some callers are asking, how many times have you visited Manila?

04:50 Fischer I believe this is maybe my sixth or seventh time altogether. A lot.

05:02 Torre And how long will Bobby stay in Manila?

05:08 Fischer Well, at least a few more days. I’ll be back soon. (laughs)

05:17 Torre (laughs) This is what they all say. You were talking to me in jail, you know.

05:22 Fischer But maybe by that time, our government and the US government will have prepared… with the extradition treaty.

05:30 Torre Anyway, even if that happens—well, no, I don’t think so. Anyway, we have many supporters here, Bobby.

05:39 Do you know any Rothschild, Bobby?

05:42 Fischer Yes, I do. Why don’t we just play this song? I think I got it queued up, and then we’ll get into that.

[Jackie Wilson’s “(Your Love Keeps Lifting Me) Higher and Higher” / “Shake! Shake! Shake!” medley plays through  08:40—“Come on, baby, fly with me… Shake it out for my love… Watch out now, shake it, shake it, shake it, baby.”]

08:42 Torre Why do you like that music, Bobby?

08:45 Fischer Because it’s so natural, you know. It’s so real. It really expresses his soul—he lets it all out. Not like today’s music. It’s just disgusting, today’s music. Whining. Complaining. (laughs) Whining, complaining.

09:11 Torre But this is very energetic.

09:14 Fischer I heard some song—the guy’s singing to his father: “You didn’t protect me from the boys in the neighbourhood.” (laughs) Who wants to hear that, though? “I was the only white boy in a black neighbourhood and you didn’t protect me?” Is that music?

09:35 Torre Yeah, but you’re more… compared to me, you’re more…

09:40 Fischer Upbeat.

09:43 Torre I’m more sentimental.

09:45 Fischer Yeah, but I have that sentimental side also. You wouldn’t know it, but I have it. (laughs)

10:05 Torre I’m wondering if you know any Rothschild. They say it’s a very small world, right? What does it mean, “Rothschild”?

10:15 Fischer Rothschild—the original Rothschild, as I explained, his first name… his real name was Mayer Amschel. And he had a store, and he put up a red flag above his store. That was his symbol. And “red flag” in German is Rothschild. That’s what Rothschild means—red flag. So he changed his name to Rothschild. He became known as Rothschild.

10:42 And they’re the richest family in the world. The original Rothschild was born 1743 in Frankfurt.

10:51 Torre Bill Gates?

10:52 Fischer Bill Gates? Well, this is 250 years ago. Anyway, Bill Gates is not the richest man in the world. That’s a joke. The Rothschilds have a thousand times more money than him.

11:03 Torre Really?

11:06 Fischer Oh, I mean—countless trillions of dollars.

11:10 Torre But, do you know a Rothschild?

11:13 Fischer Yes, I do. You know the Piatigorsky tournaments? Mrs. Gregor Piatigorsky is a Rothschild. Her father—you won’t believe this—her father is the man in The Secret World Government whose picture is in the book. If you will go back to an old Sports Illustrated, you will read about that. She grew up as a sister of Guy de Rothschild—actually it’s pronounced “Guy” Rothschild, spelled G-U-Y. Guy Rothschild, and he’s considered—I’ve read, some people say he’s the head of the entire Rothschild family. He may still be alive, maybe in his nineties. And she—I haven’t heard that she died either. So she’s also pushing 90 or so, if she’s alive.

12:17 Torre But during that time, when you played in the Piatigorsky tournament in ’66—

12:22 Fischer I heard somebody told me she was a Rothschild, but it didn’t mean anything to me. It didn’t mean any more to me than “there’s Rockefeller” or somebody like that. And also I didn’t know that she was the daughter of the very top Rothschild in the world. I met her son there one time—he came over, we played some tennis at her house. She had her own tennis court. She lives in Brentwood, by the way—I mean, assuming she’s still alive. That’s where O. J. Simpson, you know… Anyway, her son came around, and he spoke perfect English—I think he may have been born in the States—with an American accent. But when he would talk to his mother, he would talk to her in English but with some kind of Jewish-French accent. It gave me the creeps, the goosebumps, you know.

13:32 Fischer I don’t know what makes them tick. They think they’re very high class.

13:41 Torre So you wanted me to touch on this—these found lost Fischer games? What is this?

13:49 Fischer Oh yeah, I just want to show that lying is just so ordinary for the Jews about me, you know. This is from Inside Chess. And they keep on lying and lying.

14:34 This is from Inside Chess, September 4, 1995. An article called “Chess History: The Unknown Bobby—Archaeological Finds.” And they say: during his stop in Venezuela, Fischer played in a ten-minute tournament, placing second to the Spanish IM Antonio Medina.

15:08 And it gives Medina first, winning all his games, and me winning seven and losing two. This is totally false. I walked away with that tournament. I won it by several points. I don’t remember whether it was a single or double round-robin, but I do remember I played Najdorf—and that was the key game. And they don’t even put Najdorf in the cross-table in the book.

15:32 Torre Do you remember Najdorf?

15:35 Fischer I played Najdorf, and he tried to cheat me. He played a very dirty trick. What he did—I had an easily won game, like a rook ending or something—he made a move, pushed my clock, and then he says, “I resign.”

15:55 Torre Okay.

15:56 Fischer So we’re starting to discuss the game. And then, half a minute later—when I’ve only got about ten, fifteen seconds left—he’s like, “My mistake.”

16:08 So, nobody’s around, we all go, “What?” So I had to play by, and I dazed him just in, before I felt—I thought—and then he protests, “You cheat,” he withdraws from the tournament. Just a crook. Absolute crook.

16:27 Torre You didn’t know he had that experience yet.

16:29 Fischer No, he was a real bastard. I heard another story about Najdorf that Quinteros told me years ago. He came down to Argentina, I think for the Olympics. I think that was about 1938 or so. He played in this Olympics in Argentina, and then the war broke out.

16:56 Torre And he stayed there.

16:56 Fischer He stayed there. His family, his wife and children, were still in Poland. That’s where he was from—Poland. So they wanted, supposedly, to buy his wife and children’s freedom from the Nazis so they could come and live with him in Argentina. So they had a lot of fundraising for him, and they raised a huge amount of money to send to the Nazis to get his wife and children out. And Quinteros told me (laughs) he gambled it away, all at once.

17:33 Torre Najdorf gambled the money away?

17:34 Fischer He gambled the money away. He absolutely lost the money. (laughs) So much for his love of his family. And I don’t believe the story that his family was murdered by the Nazis either. I think that’s all bunk. It’s more Jewish lies.

17:52 Torre But anyway—I don’t believe this standing? That Medina was ahead of you? No way. I mean, I played Medina before. He’s no…

18:04 Fischer Well, if you want to understand—he beat me, supposedly. If you use a little bit of logical analysis there: he won nine-zero, and I lost two games. So I had to lose to him.

18:40 Fischer It’s a very clever lie. It’s worth studying, because it shows how tricky the Jews are. They know it looks somewhat plausible. Why? Because just a few weeks before this speed tournament in Caracas, I had a very bad result in a tournament in Buenos Aires. So people might think, “He was in bad form at that moment.”

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[Discussion of Joel Benjamin on the cover of Chess magazine, lies about Fischer returning to the US, the Ravilious article on Frank Brady, and Fischer’s record against Bisguier.]

00:00 Torre You are not Joel Benjamin.

00:15 Fischer This is giving you an idea of what fantastic liars the Jews are. I mean, it’s almost unbelievable, the lies. Okay, the earlier one—that was a lie about chess, about chess cross-tables and standings. That was from Inside Chess. This one is no longer about chess, no—this is more or less personal. This is from a magazine called Chess. This is from England, January 2001. And on the cover it’s got this Jew, Joel Benjamin—he’s an American Jew. And also this magazine is completely Jewish. It was founded by the Jew B. H. Wood. And B, as I explained, stands for Baruch, which is a Jew name. Baruch Spinoza, right—his original name was Baruch Spinoza. He changed it later to Benedict Spinoza, but his original name was Baruch Spinoza. Okay, look what they say—I mean, this is almost on the level of Elvis sightings. This is like Elvis stuff, right? Elvis Presley—they say somebody said they saw him the other day in a diner in Michigan or something, right?

01:24 Look at this: “I also heard that recently Fischer had come back into the US through Seattle to attend his sister’s funeral. Fearing recognition by the more stringent immigration officials, he drove in and out of the country by car through the Canadian border.”

02:07 “The US Chess Federation also recently made him an outrageous offer of $100,000 to appear for just three hours online at the relaunch of their website.” All lies, total lies. I did not come back to the States for my sister. I haven’t been back to the States since 1992.

02:49 Lies and lies and more lies.

02:52 Torre Also the US Tax Department—they have an arrest warrant?

02:54 Fischer No, this is the US government. The Treasury Department was the one who wrote me the letter, right? This arrest warrant is based on my violating the sanctions against Yugoslavia—nothing to do with tax. The tax people have not contacted me at all. There is no case against me for not paying taxes. They keep talking about how I owe tax money, but the US government has not done anything regarding this—whether I owe them tax money or not. It’s all lies about the taxes. There is no warrant for my arrest—no case against me—for not paying taxes.

03:40 Torre Okay, since we have—that’s this talk. So that concerns your government, and you told me, I remember—I think before the election, just before the election, you told me, “Eugene, there is no difference between the Republican and Democratic Party.” You were telling me this.

04:07 Fischer Well, that’s really not quite true, Eugene.

04:09 Torre And then you told me last night you were wrong.

04:12 Fischer What do you mean? I’ve been thinking—you know, there is a difference between the Republicans. Let me give you an example. The Republican Party, they want to put me in prison for ten years on trumped-up charges.

04:29 Torre Right, right, right. When was this?

04:32 Fischer This was George Bush Sr., back in ’92.

04:38 Torre He’s from Republican.

04:39 Fischer Yeah, right. But the Democratic Party has a completely different policy towards me—they just want to rob everything I’ve worked for all of my life. So you can’t say the Republican and the Democratic Party are the same—they’re different. But very negative against you. Yeah, okay.

05:09 Torre Touching on this—a little bit of politics. You told me also last night about this—was he a former UN Secretary?

05:29 Fischer Yes. You know, I was reading on my last call up in Baguio…

05:36 Torre I’ve heard of his name before.

05:37 Fischer Yeah, he was blackballed from being re-elected to General Secretary of the UN. But the US never explained, admitted, they didn’t want him to be re-elected. And they favoured this Kofi Annan.

05:58 Torre You know, actually there was also some opinion here that former President Fidel Ramos was ripe to become UN Secretary, because it was scheduled for Asia already. But because of the good performance of Secretary Annan, then he was re-elected.

06:21 Fischer That’s interesting. That’s another proof that Ramos is the US’s boy. Now—why did the US push Boutros Boutros-Ghali out? Why? This has never been revealed—never been revealed in the press. I will tell you why.

06:37 Torre Why?

06:38 Fischer Well, first of all, the Jews thought they would easily control him because he—he’s not a Muslim, he is a Coptic Christian, but also his wife is Jewish.

06:51 Torre Really?

06:52 Fischer Yes. They thought they had him in the bag. But what happened was, the bandit state of Israel attacked a UN-protected refugee camp in Lebanon. If you remember—some years back.

07:05 Torre Right. On the BBC just a few weeks ago there was a series, a documentary about…

07:15 Fischer Anyway, the Jews attacked—they killed, I think, several hundred refugees there. Mostly women, children and older men. And then of course the Jews… “Oh, it was a mistake. We thought there were weapons in there, we didn’t know.” It was all a mistake. So—but the Arab world was very angry, so they decided to have an investigation in the UN about it. And the Jews, the US, pressured Boutros-Ghali to kill the investigation. “It should not be in the investigation, even an investigation is anti-Semitic.”

07:56 Torre Right, right.

07:57 Fischer But they went ahead with the investigation, and the investigation of this incident—the report said it was not an accident, it was a deliberate attack by Israel and it was deliberate slaughter, murder, of these innocent men, women and children at this refugee camp. And that is the reason—because he didn’t stop this report from coming out—that they pushed him.

08:20 Torre And how about—okay, he’s from Egypt.

08:27 Fischer Egypt, right. And there was another case. You know why Kurt Waldheim was persecuted after he left the UN Secretary-General post?

08:38 Torre He’s also secretary?

08:39 Fischer Yeah, he was before.

08:45 He was much earlier than Boutros-Ghali. He was back quite some time ago. But anyway, the point is, why was he persecuted after he left that post?

08:55 Torre Why?

08:56 Fischer Why? Remember he said he was a former Nazi, a Nazi. He had to resign from the Austrian presidency, was not allowed to enter the US and all this. What was that all about? They claim they discovered things about his Nazi past—which is nonsense, because he was thoroughly investigated before he became General Secretary of the UN, like all people who were going to get such an important post.

09:17 Torre Yeah. So what was the reason why they attacked him after he left?

09:21 Fischer The reason they tried to destroy him was very similar. During his time as being General Secretary, there was a resolution passed that Zionism is racism.

09:37 Torre Ah, really?

09:38 Fischer Yes. And the Jews tried everything to stop that resolution, but they failed. And of course they blamed Kurt Waldheim for letting that resolution get passed. And that was later rescinded during the Bush Senior administration of the presidency—the UN rescinded that.

09:58 Torre But where did you get this information?

10:01 Fischer No, this is all on the record. I’m just putting it all together.

10:06 Torre Okay. Like analysing a chess game.

10:12 Fischer In other words, they only want stooges. If you’re not a stooge for the Jews, if you’re not a stooge for the Americans, you’re a criminal, you’re a monster, you’re evil. You’re a horrible person, like me.

10:25 Torre You mean this new, the re-elected one, Annan is a stooge?

10:30 Fischer Absolute stooge. This guy is totally in the US’s pocket, in the Jews’ pocket. He’s a professional UN man. He’s been there all his life.

10:39 Torre He’s a career man.

10:40 Fischer It’s very interesting, his face and his expression. He looks exactly like Campomanes. Exactly. I mean, he’s black—Campomanes is not black—but in fact I think they’ve both been trained at about the same school, I really do. He has the same mannerisms as Campomanes. Quite amazing. And now, because he does what the US wants—this Annan—you know what they say about him? He’s a saint. From the Philippine Daily Inquirer, July 1, 2001: “Saint-like, Annan re-elected.”

11:17 Torre All right, he’s a crook.

11:18 Fischer He’s no saint to me. He’s a bastard, this Annan. He’s a criminal.

11:31 Torre For a lighter side again—you told me there are two ways… you pitched me.

11:37 Fischer There are two ways to get rich.

11:40 Torre Yeah?

11:42 Fischer I’d like to be rich. Okay, this is from Fortune magazine, June 12, 2000. It’s an article by somebody called N. Gregory Mankiw—he looks like a Jew. The article is called “First Principles: Ukraine—How Not to Run an Economy.” Here’s what he says: “In this world there are two ways to get rich. Number one, produce something valuable and sell it to others. Number two, find people pursuing the first strategy and steal from them.”

12:25 Just steal. Yeah, that’s the Jewish way. They’re parasites. They produce nothing of value themselves. But they steal the labour and the property and everything from others.

12:33 Torre But that’s not a good recommendation, because that’s still robbing property. Oh, but actually that happened to you, huh?

12:40 Fischer Yeah. Yeah. So it shows the Jews know exactly what they’re about.

12:47 Torre I don’t know—the second one, of course, is no sweat.

12:53 Fischer No sweat.

12:54 Torre Regarding this—you want to touch on this Frank Brady?

13:03 Fischer Yes. I think, Eugene, this is a really interesting case, because this guy convicts himself from his own mouth, but he is so corrupt that he doesn’t even realise it. This is about Frank Brady—I’ll explain what this is. This is from again an article in Chess, the British magazine. This is Chess, September 2000. And this is the article by C.P. Ravilious called “Prisoner of the Millennium: A Perspective on the Fischer Interviews,” by C.P. Ravilious.

13:50 Torre “You are the prisoner of the millennium.”

13:52 Fischer That was my joke. He’s trying to turn around and use it for himself. Now, I mean—let me read all this, because I think this is just so instructive, how corrupt and rotten this Chess magazine is. It’s completely a Jew publication. This issue, it’s got the dirty Jew, Jon Speelman, on the cover—kinky-haired Jew with thick glasses. He’s one of the people who forged the Batsford edition of My 60 Memorable Games. Gave me no money and completely ruined the book. And did it all without my permission. So let me read what Ravilious says here:

14:21 “Frank Brady, you are no friend of mine.” Incidentally, you can’t trust any of the quotes by Ravilious that he has taken from my interviews on the radio. Some of them are accurate, many of them are not.

14:40 Fischer “Frank Brady, you are no friend of mine. Thus far, we have been looking at the big picture.” Well, I’ll skip ahead just to save time. “Fischer’s current view of Brady is succinctly summed up in a passage in Interview 7: ‘He’s got a very Irish-sounding name, but he’s a damn Jew, believe it or not, and that book is full of lies.’ Once past this curt dismissal, however, we are offered an interesting new perspective on an incident from the early pages of Profile of a Prodigy. Readers of the book will remember that in the summer of 1959, Bobby was accompanied by Brady to a meeting with a businessman—I’ll call him Mr. Blanker—who offered to finance his participation in the forthcoming Candidates Tournament in Yugoslavia, in return for a promise that at any subsequent press interview he would say, ‘I couldn’t have won this tournament without the help of Stan Blanker.”’ In Brady’s version, Fischer rises to his feet and rejects the proposal in a suspiciously well-crafted speech, ending with the ringing declaration, “If I win a tournament, I win by myself. Nobody helps me.” He and Brady then say their goodbyes and make their way past staring clerks to the elevator.

16:06 Brady’s version has me giving this big speech. My version: “I went up there, I listened to the guy respectfully. I didn’t like his attitude. I didn’t like his vainglorious approach. He just wanted to advertise himself or his company. I said no, and that was it. As we were going down the stairs, I started to explain to Brady why I didn’t accept. And he took my explanation and turned it around and had me giving the guy a speech.”

16:36 And Ravilious says: “Of the two versions on offer, it is Fischer’s relatively downbeat account which strikes me as the more persuasive.” Then: “Fischer has always been his own man, but would a sixteen-year-old, or whatever his degree of self-possession, have come out with a speech of the kind Brady puts into his mouth? And why were the clerks staring? Could they at this point have known what was going on in Mr. Blanker’s inner sanctum?” Then: “I should add that in indicating a preference for Fischer’s version of the Blanker incident over Brady’s, I in no way seek to diminish the substantive merits of Brady’s book. There are contentious episodes in most biographies, particularly where human memory is the only authority for the events described. Future writers on Fischer will need to weigh both accounts and reach their own conclusions.”

17:30 Now, he is saying he believes my version. Yet, I mean, this is a monstrous lie if my version is correct, right. He’s transposing a conversation I had with him and making out and giving it to somebody else. Only a crook would do something like that. But nonetheless, he still thinks it’s a good book—“people should read this book.” He doesn’t think it totally discredits Brady. He doesn’t think it totally discredits the book. This, to me, shows—he didn’t do it on purpose, he didn’t mean to show it, but it shows the absolutely low morals of my critics and my enemies.

18:13 Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. He convicts himself out of his own mouth. Just by listening, this shows how lightly my enemies, the Jews, take lying. It’s not a big deal to them. No big lie—lying is a way of life for them. It’s a part of—they consider life to be like war. I think someone said about the Jews that they refuse to play the great game of life according to the rules. I think this is a perfect example. They don’t think it’s a big deal, lying.

18:53 Torre Yeah—you mentioned also, I didn’t know you were following some articles in the Philippine newspapers or some columns. You also read this one in Philippine Daily Inquirer, Father Orbos.

19:14 Fischer Oh yeah, yeah. It’s a good thing you follow developments and opinions, huh, here in…

19:20 I really, really love your newspapers, not just because of what they say about the Philippines, but what they say about all the world.

19:29 Fischer I love your columnists.

19:31 Fischer I really love your newspapers. They’re just so brilliant, so colourful. Even though they don’t hate the Jews like I would like them to, and they don’t hate the US as much as I’d like them to, the columnists are just so brilliant, so humorous.

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[Final segment. Fischer discusses The Truman Show, his record against Bisguier, Agent Orange, artificial hearts, and gives his advice to the Philippines.]

00:00 Fischer They seem to know everything. Shakespeare, the Bible, TV sitcoms—they’re really well-rounded. They know world affairs, they know history. The Filipinos have got really, really brilliant columnists, and they stimulate you and they make you feel happy somehow, you know.

00:24 Torre Well, that makes us very proud, we Filipinos, coming from you, Bobby.

00:28 Fischer I wish, if somebody knows where I can get your major papers in Tokyo, I would like to know, because I’ve been looking around. I go to some of the bars. I ask some of the people there, you know, the girls there.

00:43 Torre Filipino girls?

00:45 Fischer Yeah, I see them around the bar street. So you know, where can I get—

00:49 Torre They don’t know?

00:50 Fischer Well, I think you can get some of it at tabloids, but I want to get the more, the bigger papers, like the…

00:57 Torre Broadsheets. The broadsheets.

00:58 Fischer Yeah. The Star, the Inquirer, the Bulletin. I’m not endorsing these papers—they’re full of lies too—but I love their columnists and their writing and everything. I wish somebody would tell me. There must be a place in Tokyo where you can get them.

01:13 Torre Did you check with the embassy?

01:15 Fischer I checked with the embassy. They say there’s no place, but I still don’t believe it. I can’t believe there’s—with so many Filipinos in Tokyo, it must be tens of thousands.

01:26 Torre Maybe if anyone would know now, maybe they’re listening, they can phone in.

01:31 Fischer Tell me where to go. Even if they’re a couple of weeks old.

01:34 Torre Oh, that’s nice to hear from you, Bobby. That only shows your craving for…

01:42 Fischer Well, I think they’re a little like me, these writers—they’re very broad-minded, interested in everything. Interested in the big picture. Except, as I said, I don’t get the Jews. Either out of ignorance or cowardice, I don’t know.

01:56 Okay, here’s an article. This is from the Philippine Daily Inquirer, Sunday, August 20, 2000. And this is by Father Gerry M. Orbos, SVD. It’s called “God’s Offer of Life and Love.” This guy is a very good writer, very loving man. Here’s what he says:

02:23 “Masyadong… Too much. Yuck. This precisely was the reaction of the Jews to Jesus’s bread of life discourse, John 6:51–58. Why on earth would someone insist that his flesh be eaten and his blood be drunk, even to the point of being rejected? Why? Because Jesus wanted to give life. ‘Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.’ And Jesus wanted to give love. ‘Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.’ Life and love—this was Jesus’s offer to the Jews. Today, the offer still remains. Any takers?” (laughs)

03:15 I’m afraid, Father Orbos, there are almost no takers.

03:21 Torre But that’s very nice.

03:25 Fischer See, I was very fascinated last night…

03:30 Torre You were telling me about the movie. This is about The Truman Show.

03:35 Fischer Oh, yeah. Did you see that movie, Eugene?

03:37 Torre No, no, no, no. But yeah… not all of it.

03:46 Fischer Well, I thought this was an excellent movie. This was with Jim Carrey. He’s a funny man, a comedian, but in this movie he hardly made any faces. He was more or less straight. The movie is about a man who doesn’t know it, but he’s actually on a set and he’s being filmed and videoed—he’s on TV 24 hours a day. It’s been like this since he was born. His whole life is basically a fraud, but he doesn’t know it. His mother is not his mother. His father died some years ago, but it’s not his real father—he didn’t really die, it was a fake accident. Even his wife is an actress, too. Everything in the movie is fake. Everything in his life is fake. Even when he goes to a bar and he drinks, it’s all just actors. And then even his best friend.

04:58 So, anyway, this guy—this Truman—he starts getting suspicious. He says, “Yeah, something’s fishy.” Because every time he tries to leave the town where he’s born, a storm happens or some trees fall down, and he can’t leave. He’s never left. He’s like thirty, but he’s never left the town where he’s born. He starts getting suspicious that this is not a real life he’s living—he’s on set, and everybody is just an actor around him. And even one time you see the director hidden away in his secret abode saying, “I don’t like Truman’s wife anymore. I think it’s getting boring. Let’s bring in a new woman into his life.” And then you see Truman at the office a few days later, and a pretty girl smiles and says, “Hello.” See, that’s going to be his new wife, his new girlfriend—and he doesn’t even know it. She’s just an actress too. Everybody is an actor, even his best friend.

05:45 And he starts telling his best friend: “I think I’m on set here. I think I’m being watched. I think my whole life is a fraud. Everyone around me is a spy, a phony.” And his best friend says: “You know what, Truman—I know how it is when you reach a certain age in life. You start getting suspicious, you start getting paranoid when you feel life is passing you by. This happens to me too. It happened to me. You just need to relax.” And this guy too was a spy working for the movie—same thing. So the point is, everybody in this guy’s life was an agent of this movie company. He was actually an orphan, see, and he was bought by this company when he was a baby.

06:17 But I feel my life is like that too. Almost everybody who has been around me turned out to be a secret agent, working for the Jews, working for the CIA.

06:43 Torre In the few years that I was with you also, I was a witness. I experienced it. I saw this.

07:02 Fischer Girlfriends, lawyers, everybody—almost everyone turned out to be working for the CIA and the Jews.

07:28 Torre Going back to chess—Abe Turner was ahead of his time. He had two comments about chess that were right on the money. One was, “You’re confusing two variations in the openings.” And the other was, “Chess is mental masturbation.” Both true. He was Jewish. He was a nice guy. Was murdered.

08:26 Torre There are many things I have not read or not known about you, which should have been written. You told me last night—is it true? You beat Bisguier thirteen times in a row?

08:53 Fischer Yes. This is true. And it’s not in any of these record books. I beat a Grandmaster thirteen games in a row. Nobody else has ever even come close to that record, as far as I know. And if they have come close or broken it, it was prearranged. The first game I played him, I lost. Second game was a draw. And then thirteen in a row, starting in 1957. The last time I played him was around 1970.

09:54 Somebody came up to me and said, “Bob, you know how many times you’ve beaten this guy in a row?” I said, “I don’t know—six or seven.” He said, “No, thirteen.” I didn’t know. And it was good that I didn’t know, because if I knew, I probably would have been self-conscious and couldn’t have kept up the streak.

10:45 Torre And now, about the artificial heart—US surgeons implant the first-ever self-contained artificial heart.

10:52 Fischer It’s a monstrosity. It’s murder. The kind of life you’re going to have with plastic and metal in your chest. And which hospital did it? The Jewish Hospital in Louisville, Kentucky. It says here, in the longer term, the company—it’s a private company—hopes its battery-powered pump, which costs $75,000, will function for up to five years and provide replacement hearts for the 100,000 Americans who would otherwise need one. If the Jews have their way, those people would be better off dead. That is no life. Also, I don’t understand—what happens when you have a heart attack? You won’t feel anything, right? You have no heart. It’s just too monstrous for words. What the Jews are doing, what the United States is doing.

11:51 Torre Since you tackled the bases issue in the Philippines, you wanted to touch on Agent Orange?

12:02 Fischer Oh, yeah, yeah. This is an interesting article just the other day. There’s a real admission about the US which I find just unbelievable.

12:24 The US doesn’t want to investigate how many people in Vietnam are sick and dying from the results of Agent Orange because then they’d have to pay money. They admit that. The reason they don’t want to know is because they’d have to pay.

12:50 Torre What is this Agent Orange?

12:52 Fischer Agent Orange was a chemical the US used in Vietnam to defoliate the forest so that the Viet Cong couldn’t hide under the cover of the forest. And I think if the US, let’s say, was running the Philippines, you know how they’d take care of the Abu Sayyaf?

13:15 Torre How?

13:16 Fischer Just defoliate all of Mindanao. Then the Abu Sayyaf would be exposed. That would solve the problem. The environment would be destroyed—the animals, the people would be poisoned. But that’s the way the US solves problems. Totally practical. No heart, no soul, no conscience.

13:41 Torre Bobby, we are running out of time. If you were handling the Philippines, what would be your solution?

13:50 Fischer My solution is to break diplomatic relations with the US and Israel, close down the embassies, clear all those American CIA rats out. You know, that’s what the US Embassy is—just a nest of CIA agents there. Clear the Jews out, clear the Americans out. Cancel your national debt. All of this money you owe to the international bankers—you cannot keep paying this debt. Your people are practically starving. Your infrastructure is crumbling. You’re not obligated to destroy yourself to keep your word. Well, we just read here—the United States has an ABM missile treaty agreement with Russia, and they say they’re going to break it. It’s no longer in their interest to keep it.

15:15 Strengthen your ties with other Asian countries—North Korea, China, and others. You’re in Asia. Unite with them.

15:49 You cancel the national debt—that’s about $53,000,000,000, right? They say a penny saved is a penny earned—you’re $53,000,000,000 richer.

16:14 Thank you. It was a pleasure. I want to thank Sports Radio for giving me this opportunity. Nobody else wants me, only here in the Philippines.

16:31 Torre How about a parting word, Bobby?

16:35 Fischer Okay. Thanks for the Sports Radio for this opportunity. Of course, you know—like Korina Sanchez would say, “we give the other side an opportunity” too.

16:53 Torre Yeah, yeah, she’s pretty. We saw her over eating at the Shangri-La the other night.

17:00 Fischer Yeah, yeah. Anyway, if the other side, you know, the US, would like to also give their side—all sides. Well, everything I say, nobody ever answers back.

17:17 Torre Yeah, that’s incredible.

17:19 Fischer They hire some people maybe to answer on their behalf. But the people I accuse never ever say a word. Until now—no, no, no.

17:27 Torre Okay, thank you. Thank you everybody. This is Eugene Torre. Goodbye.

[Station disclaimer and sign-off.]

19 Baguio, Philippines, September 11, 2001 ↑

[This is a brief, unscheduled call-in to Bombo Radio, Baguio, on the day of the September 11 attacks. Fischer phones Pablo Mercado within hours of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. This is the most widely publicised of all the Fischer radio interviews and the one most frequently cited in later media coverage. It is approximately 12 minutes long.]

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00:00 Mercado We have on the line one of our friends. We used to interview him every now and then for the past several years—for the past two years already. We have the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer. He is on the line right now and would like to give some thoughts, maybe some opinions, commentary on what happened at the World Trade Center just about a few hours ago, including the Pentagon.

00:46 It’s evening right here. How are you doing, Pablo?

00:48 Fischer Well, this is all wonderful news. It’s time for the fucking US to get their heads kicked in. It’s time to finish off the US once and for all.

01:00 Mercado Alright. Of course, everybody knows how you—

01:03 Fischer I heard on the BBC a few months ago a very profound but simple statement. And it really stunned me. I couldn’t believe the guy was saying it, talking about some of the crimes of the US, some of the horrible behaviour that the US is committing all over the world. And the BBC guy just said—I couldn’t believe my ears—“This just shows you that what goes around comes around, even for the United States.”

01:35 And that is what’s happened tonight. What goes around comes around, even for the United States.

01:37 Mercado You’re saying you’re happy at what happened?

01:40 Fischer Yes, I applaud the act. Look, the US and Israel have been slaughtering the Palestinians, just slaughtering them for years. Robbing them and slaughtering them. Nobody gave a shit. Now it’s coming back to the US. Fuck the US. I want to see the US wiped out.

02:04 Mercado The US is a superpower. How can—

02:05 Fischer Well, apparently, it’s not as powerful as everybody thought. They hijacked all these planes, and apparently, they had no intelligence on this. This is a major operation, Pablo. Probably hundreds of people were involved in this. So how is it possible that the great US didn’t know about it?

02:23 Mercado Yeah. That’s what we’re asking here too in the Philippines. Considering the technology that they have right now—

02:32 Fischer You know what I’m really hoping for, Pablo? Did you ever see that movie, Seven Days in May?

02:38 Mercado Yes.

02:39 Fischer There’s a movie about a general who tries to take over the US. I think it was Burt Lancaster. It was based on a book. I saw that years ago. And I was rooting for the generals. But at the end, the president—the so-called democracy—won.

02:52 But I’m hoping for some kind of Seven Days in May scenario, where the country will be taken over by the military. They’ll close down all the synagogues, arrest all the Jews, execute hundreds of thousands of Jewish ringleaders.

03:27 Mercado Really?

03:28 Fischer Nobody gave a shit about the Japanese. How many hundreds of thousands of people did the United States kill with atom bombs? Justifying it with the most ridiculous excuse that it saved a million American soldiers—when Japan was gonna surrender within a few weeks or a month anyway.

03:50 The United States is based on lies. It’s based on theft. Look at what I’ve done for the US. Nobody has single-handedly done more for the US than me. I really believe that. When I won the World Championship in ’72, the United States had an image of—it was a football country, a baseball country—but nobody thought of it as an intellectual country. I turned all that around single-handedly.

04:15 But I was useful then because there was the Cold War. But now I’m not useful anymore. The Cold War is over, and now they want to wipe me out. Steal everything I have, put me in prison.

04:39 You have to go back to the roots, to the history. Look at the history of the country. The history of the country is basically: get something for nothing. They invaded the country. They robbed the land of the American Indians. They killed almost all of them off. They brought over slaves from Africa to work the fields, to build up the country.

05:04 Now why didn’t the white man come to America in a civilised manner and say, “We’re being persecuted in Europe. We don’t have freedom of religion. We’d like to come here. We’d like to assimilate. We’d like to marry your women.” They didn’t come that way. They said, “We’re coming in here to take your land and to kill you off.” That’s the history of the United States. A despicable country.

05:29 Even as a boy, I never had the slightest interest in American history. Never. I knew something was rotten in Denmark.

05:34 Mercado So what do you think is gonna happen in the next 24 hours?

05:39 Fischer Well, Bush is bellowing. He’s told what to say, of course, by Cheney and his father and the Jews. The US will get back, of course, but it’s gonna get worse and worse. The US just will not do what they have to do. The US has to say, “We’re sorry. Our whole foreign policy has been wrong for the last several hundred years. We are going to pull back all our troops from all over the world. We’re going to stop supporting Israel.” And they’re not gonna admit that.

06:12 They’re gonna say, “These terrorists, these criminals, this cowardly act will be punished.” And I expect soon there’s gonna be a new president—after the White House is blown up, he’ll be in the Colorado Mountains, hundreds of feet underneath the Rocky Mountains, saying, “This dastardly act of blowing up the White House will be punished.” The United States is not gonna be reasonable. It’s not gonna admit it’s the bad guy. It’s always been the bad guy. It was the bad guy in World War Two. It was the bad guy in World War One.

07:15 Mercado There are fears, Bobby, that this might start something worse, like a Third World War. Do you think that’s possible?

07:26 Fischer I think it’s possible. Big danger that the Jews, these lunatic people, are gonna take us all with them. But I’m hoping, as I say, for a Seven Days in May scenario, where sane people will take over the US. Military people. They will imprison the Jews. They will execute several hundred thousand of them, at least. And they will bring home all the troops from around the world to the US.

08:08 And ultimately, the white man should leave the United States, the black people should go back to Africa, the white people should go back to Europe, and the country should be returned to the American Indians. This is the future I would like to see for the so-called United States.

08:26 Mercado Well, people say that with this thing that happened in the United States, it might have an effect on the world economy.

08:35 Fischer Well, this is just the beginning, Pablo. The Arabs have had enough shit. Everybody’s had enough shit from the US. And what about Pakistan? What if they decide to throw in their lot with the Palestinian people? What about China?

08:57 It’s time for the US to eat shit, to humble themselves, to withdraw their troops from all over the world, to admit that they’ve been wrong. That’s the only solution. Otherwise, the US has to be destroyed.

09:11 Look what the US did in Yugoslavia recently—1999—in Kosovo and other parts of Yugoslavia, with depleted uranium. To me, that is worse than the atom bomb. When you drop an atom bomb, you’re killed and you’re dead. Your suffering’s over. If you get this depleted uranium, you’ll have a lingering death for the next ten, twenty, thirty, forty years—or maybe just two or three years, depending on how much of it you get. You just have a low level of sickness, and your life is a misery. To me, that’s worse.

09:57 Mercado Now there’s a state of emergency in the United States, and of course, they’ll be looking at people, and you could probably be one of them.

10:13 Fischer I’m not afraid of the US. They already put me in prison in Japan on trumped-up drug charges. Me—the most clean-living person when it comes to drugs in the world. They put me in prison for eighteen days on trumped-up drug charges. I was already tortured in America for two days. So I’m used to this kind of stuff.

10:37 Mercado They might have a new reason now to arrest you again.

10:41 Fischer Let them try. I say, death to President Bush. I say, death to the United States. Fuck the United States. Fuck the Jews. The Jews are a criminal people. They mutilate their children. They are murderous, criminal, thieving, lying bastards. They made up the Holocaust. There’s not a word of truth to it.

10:58 They are the worst liars and bastards. And what goes around comes around. They’re getting it back, finally. Praise God. Hallelujah. This is a wonderful day. Fuck the United States. Cry, you crybabies. Whine, you bastards. Now your time is coming.

11:21 Mercado Alright. Okay. Maybe we got somebody else on the other line. We’re continuing with our broadcast. Call me up again later, okay?

11:32 Fischer Yeah. You have my numbers too, don’t you?

11:36 Mercado Yes, I do.

11:38 Fischer Maybe I’ll call you off the air and I’ll give you my numbers. If you want to get updates on my feelings about this.

11:43 Mercado Okay. I’ll do that.

11:44 Fischer No nation should have any sympathy for the US. No sympathy at all. The US is getting what’s coming to it, and this is just the beginning.

11:52 Mercado Alright. Thank you, Bobby.

11:54 Fischer Thank you, Pablo. Bye.

11:55 Mercado Bye bye.

20 Reykjavík, Iceland, January 27, 2002 ↑

[Fischer calls into Icelandic radio (Útvarp Saga, Reykjavík) from Japan. This is his first appearance on Icelandic radio since the 1972 World Championship. The host is Egill Helgason. Sæmi Pálsson—Fischer’s bodyguard and companion during the 1972 match—is present in the studio. The broadcast is approximately 28 minutes and is conducted in English. Fischer reads the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the US Constitution on air.]

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00:29 Helgason How are you doing?

00:31 Fischer We’re doing fine. Your old friend Sæmi Pálsson is sitting here.

00:47 Pálsson Hi, Bobby.

00:48 Fischer Oh, yeah. Great. Great. It’s been a long time since you met.

00:51 Pálsson Yeah. I think it’s thirty years almost.

00:58 Helgason Do you remember the time when you were together in Reykjavík? How do you remember it?

01:03 Fischer Oh, yes. We had a wonderful time. And then he visited me out in Pasadena, too.

01:09 Pálsson It was a fantastic time. We went together all over. Remember? You visited the stinking USA, and you got mugged right away. In San Francisco.

01:37 Fischer Was gonna finish me off. Thanks to my judo training, it saved my life. And it’s good for people to train judo, I think—especially policemen.

01:44 Helgason Mr. Fischer, you haven’t played chess publicly since 1992. Is there any possibility of you playing again?

01:52 Fischer Fischer Random. I don’t play the old chess anymore. The old chess is dead. It’s been played out.

02:03 Helgason But there have been reports that you might have been playing on the internet. Is that true?

02:15 Fischer Not true. That’s a lot of bullshit. That’s Jewish lies. They want to distract people from all the crimes they’ve committed against me.

02:22 Helgason Well, Nigel Short said that he played somebody on the net who could have been you.

02:27 Fischer He can say whatever he wants.

02:33 Helgason But do you follow chess at all?

02:35 Fischer I follow the old chess. I followed all the prearranged matches—like the last Kramnik–Kasparov match, move by move. It’s all prearranged.

02:57 Helgason What is your name?

03:05 Fischer Egill Helgason? Just call me Helgason. Alright.

03:10 Let me explain to you about prearranged chess. In chess, we have something called problems or études, right? Like Rinck. He’ll create a very beautiful endgame position. It’ll say “White to play and win” or “Black to play and draw.” And everybody knows it’s a problem, and it’s very interesting, and you can learn a lot. I have no objection to that.

03:35 Now you have the same thing now in chess, where you have very interesting, beautiful games—prearranged games—being created by very intelligent players, many of whom are very good chess players, working with computers, working in groups. They create very beautiful games. And these games are very interesting, and you can learn a lot.

03:58 And I have no objection to people creating these games. But they must say, “This is a prearranged game.” They must not claim that these games—which have been prearranged move by move—are real games that they’re finding over the board. You understand?

04:28 I’ve learned so much from these prearranged matches and all these cooked-up notes. They’re wonderful. But they’re fake. They’re fraud. They must say it’s prearranged.

04:36 Helgason That’s what the chess world needs—a genius like yourself to come and just break this up.

04:40 Fischer Yeah. Well, I was going to do a book about the first prearranged Karpov–Kasparov match, 1984–85. But the goddamn Jews have stolen my entire file on that. I had several boxes full of books on that. They’ve stolen hundreds of boxes of my stuff. They have stolen all of my chess library. They have stolen my safe. They have stolen my file cabinets. They have stolen my statues, all my chess sets, all my correspondence, all my fan mail from Iceland.

05:09 Do you remember when I played in Iceland in ’72? At the end of the event, Schmid gave me this little gold-plated FIDE medal of the World Championship. Do you remember that? Even that’s been stolen. Can you imagine?

05:31 Helgason But this is something that happened in the United States while you were away?

05:38 Fischer Yes. You have to understand—I’m under an indictment in the United States. They’ve issued a federal arrest warrant for me.

05:43 Helgason How do you feel about that?

05:45 Fischer Ten years. Well, the United States is controlled by the Jews. It is a filthy, dirty, rotten country in every way, and it’s always been a filthy, dirty, rotten country.

05:57 And Iceland should break diplomatic relations with the US. Close down the base in Keflavík. Kick the fucking Americans out once and for all.

06:12 That base in Keflavík is a magnet for a nuclear bomb. You know that? What the fuck do you need the US in your country for?

06:22 Helgason Would you like to go back to the United States?

06:25 Fischer I would like to go back when the Zionist dictatorship has been overthrown, because there’s no question they will put me in jail for the rest of my life. I think even this jail stuff is basically a cover. They want to kill me when I go back. There’s no question about this in my mind.

06:40 Helgason Can you tell us where you have been staying for the last few years?

06:45 Fischer I’ve been in Hungary a lot. I’ve been in Germany. The last couple of years, I’ve been in Japan a lot of the time. The Philippines. Hong Kong. I’m here in Japan now. I’m working on a project. I’m trying to complete my chess clock.

07:03 Helgason Do you have a good life there? Are you happy?

07:07 Fischer No. No.

07:21 Helgason You were such an idol in America. You were a big hero. You were one of the icons of the twentieth century. Don’t you think they might be a bit disappointed in you?

07:33 Fischer Who’s “they”? The American people? Well, what the fuck do they know? They just know what their Jewish media masters feed them—their filthy lying TV and magazines and newspapers and books. What do Americans know about anything?

07:51 Helgason But for example—would you, if somebody offered you, say, $10,000,000 to come to Iceland to play a match with some chess champion—would that be a possibility?

08:10 Fischer $10,000,000? Well, that’s chess. I don’t play the old chess anymore. I play Fischer Random. Period. I’m finished with the old chess. It’s rotten to the core.

08:37 But it’s not legitimate to play all these prearranged games. That is what chess is all about at the highest level now. It’s all prearranged. Somebody should ask Kasparov about my charges—that his first match with Karpov was prearranged. Every single move, every single game was prearranged. That’s the 1984–85 match. Somebody should ask him, record his answer when he answers it live—only live—and then put it through a lie detector. You will see he’s lying through his rotten teeth.

09:09 Helgason Is this your opinion of chess today?

09:20 Fischer It’s been my opinion for a long time. I have a lot of interviews on the internet. I go into all of this prearrangement stuff and all of the crimes the US government and world Jewry have committed against me, all the robberies, all the persecution, the arrest warrant. I have photocopies of the arrest warrant and so much material.

09:47 I’d like to give the internet site. I understand you’re very high-tech there, and you have a very high percentage of people on the web, right? So here’s the address: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. Fischer is spelled F-I-S-C-H-E-R.

10:30 You can give me your comments there. I have my own personal email address there, and a lot of files—like the arrest warrant. There’s just so much material about this robbery, this mega-robbery of my stuff in the United States, in storage, which is probably worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

11:00 And it’s totally illegal, by the way, because it’s a violation of—among many other reasons—the US Constitution.

11:10 Helgason So you’re telling me that because there was a warrant out for your arrest, they confiscated your property?

11:15 Fischer I sent the cheques to Bekins, and they refused to answer me. One story is it was taken because I owed tax money. Another story is it was taken because I owed several hundred dollars in storage fees. All lies.

11:38 But I just want to read something here from the Constitution, if I may. The US Constitution—which incidentally is very hard to get. The Jews don’t want people even to get the text of the Constitution.

11:43 This is the Fifth Amendment. It says: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself; nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

12:49 Helgason So you think you’ve been the victim of a judicial miscarriage?

13:03 Fischer I think there has been no judicial proceeding at all. How can there be a judicial proceeding without notifying me of it? I don’t think the US government wanted a judicial proceeding, because at this time I’m under indictment. And everybody would say, “Well, that’s the government robbing his stuff.”

13:19 So they just simply blanked it out. And this is incredible, because the Fourteenth Amendment says the same thing. Let me read this. Section 1: “All persons born or naturalised in the United States”—that’s me, of course, I was born in the US—“and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

14:23 Now they’re saying virtually the same thing twice. Why do they have to repeat the same thing—that people should not be deprived of their property without due process of law? Obviously, the United States is controlled by the Jews, and the Jews simply do not abide by this. So even though they put it in the first time, the Jews continued to grab people’s property without due process of law, so they put it in the second time. And it didn’t do any good either.

15:13 Helgason Do you have any intention of having your indictment—the situation—corrected? Do you know that some Icelandic chess players actually went to the American Embassy in Reykjavík to speak on your behalf some years ago?

15:29 Fischer Oh, that was nice of them. But it’s like spitting in the wind. The Jews have got an iron grip.

15:39 You know how many times I beat the Jew Bisguier in a row? He’s a former US champion, one of the Jews’ best chess players in the world. A Grandmaster. How many times did I beat him in a row? Thirteen! It never happened where a Jew grandmaster has been beaten thirteen times in a row.

16:38 Helgason You beat Petrosian six times in a row.

16:42 Fischer No—I beat Petrosian, I beat Taimanov, other Jews too, six times in a row.

16:47 Helgason But don’t you miss these times, Bobby Fischer?

16:52 Fischer No. I don’t miss them because I have outgrown the old chess. I don’t look back at it at all.

17:03 Helgason The last time you played was in Yugoslavia in 1992. You were paid quite a sum of money. And that’s the reason you were indicted by the US government. Do you feel any remorse for doing that?

17:15 Fischer No. Of course not. Look—this law I was indicted under, it’s not even a law. It’s just an executive order signed by then-President George Bush Senior. It didn’t go through Congress. The US is actually just a vicious dictatorship. Most things are settled now by executive orders. It’s a complete violation of the Constitution.

17:45 But Spassky—he never had any trouble. My second, Torre—nobody had any trouble. Nobody. Only me. They want to put me in prison for ten years.

17:56 Do you know that the US government has given my name to Learning International as their trademark? Do you know this? What is my name worth? A billion dollars? They’ve given “Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess” to Learning International as their trademark. The US government. Now that shows you the hate and maliciousness of the Jew-controlled US government.

18:26 They’ve already come out with a CD-ROM, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess, giving me nothing. Also, they stopped paying me for the book Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess, which they publish. So it’s one crime after another. I get nothing for any of my chess books now. Nothing. No statements, no money, nothing.

18:42 The movie Searching for Bobby Fischer—I get nothing. Zero. And now it’s on DVD. Amazon.com is selling the DVD for $24.95. They’ve probably already made over $100,000,000 on this movie, and they intend to make hundreds of millions more.

19:18 Helgason Are you broke?

19:20 Fischer No. I’m not broke. But considering all the money I have generated, I have a few million dollars. I don’t consider that rich at all, when you consider the amount of money that my name and all the things I’ve done has generated. Nothing.

19:44 Helgason But isn’t it in your power, Mr. Fischer, to change this yourself? You’re a genius. I’ve heard you have an IQ in the 180s. You can do so many things. Isn’t it in your own power to come back and assert yourself?

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00:00 Fischer Well, I’m asserting myself right now on your programme. I don’t know what you mean, “assert myself.” It takes two to tango in chess—two to play a game.

00:10 Helgason You could pick someone. You could pick some Icelandic champion.

00:19 Fischer I’m interested. But it would be Fischer Random. Not the old chess.

00:28 Pálsson If we get the sponsor, we would love to have you over.

00:34 Fischer Fischer Random. Not the old chess.

00:40 Helgason Can you explain it to me in a few words?

00:45 Fischer It’s basically the old chess. Everything is the same, except a computer shuffles the back row of each side. But they’re both shuffled into the identical position—symmetrical, like in old chess. Except for just a couple of conditions: one rook is to the left of the king and one rook is to the right, and one bishop is on a light-coloured square and one bishop is on a dark-coloured square. And it’s 960 possible starting positions.

01:15 You can castle on either side, just like in old chess—very similar. Before you castle, the position may be different. But after you castle, you castle into the same position as old chess.

01:30 Helgason So the point is, with 960 starting positions, it’s too much theory for any human being to try and organise. It won’t be preprogrammed and boring?

01:49 Fischer Right. There will be more game of skill, and it will be more fun. And hopefully, it will cut down on the cheating and prearrangement.

01:55 Helgason Well, why don’t we try to put that up in Reykjavík one day?

01:59 Fischer Okay. Let’s do it.

02:01 Helgason How much money would you require?

02:13 Fischer Well, what you said is not bad.

02:18 Pálsson I mean, I have contact—yeah, but I’m so sorry. I would love to meet you again.

02:23 Fischer Yeah, I want to meet him again. I want to meet his twin brother too. I still remember his twin brother—one eye is a different colour from the other, right?

02:27 Pálsson That’s right. You remember.

02:32 Pálsson Yes, that’s right. You remember a little girl? You remember a little girl you were holding on to in your arms?

02:38 Fischer Oh, I do. Wait, wait, wait—you mean your little girl?

02:42 Pálsson Yeah, yeah. You know, she had a daughter.

02:45 Fischer Oh—I thought you meant that stewardess in Newfoundland.

02:47 Pálsson No, no, no, she had a daughter. She had a daughter, you know, who was twelve years old on your birthday. You remember that?

02:55 Fischer Right. Yeah, yeah.

02:56 Pálsson That’s right. That’s your family.

02:59 Fischer (laughs) No, I don’t really… But you have a great country, very civilized people, you know.

03:06 Pálsson Right. Yeah. And also, I’d be willing to see you. Looking forward to that.

03:14 Fischer Yeah. Just get out of NATO. Get out of NATO. Close down the US embassy. Kick out the US ambassador. Close down the base in Keflavík. Get out of NATO. Get out of the UN.

03:26 Helgason But isn’t it a problem for you, Mr. Fischer, to travel to Iceland? It’s a NATO country.

03:29 Fischer Well, I’ve been to Germany and Italy. They’re also NATO countries. Japan has also got a lot of US military bases. The US hasn’t got the guts to touch me. Apparently, they haven’t got the guts. Don’t touch me, haven’t got the guts.

03:46 John Ashcroft, if you’re listening—you’re a son of a bitch.

03:58 Helgason There was a vote on the internet. They were voting on who was stronger—you in 1972 or Kasparov in his prime.

04:14 Fischer How can you compare me with a crook? I’ve never prearranged a game in my life. Most of the games he’s played in his life were prearranged. Most.

04:31 Helgason Do you take pride in your achievements?

04:35 Fischer Yes, I do. Because everything I’ve got, I got the fair way. No prearrangements, no deals, nothing. I don’t think anybody else can say that. Somebody told my friend Barbera—who passed away recently, sadly—he was a Russian trainer, I think from the Caucasus. And he said, “Fischer is the only honest chess player since World War Two.”

05:13 Helgason Are you in contact with anybody in the chess world?

05:20 Fischer Yeah. Sure.

05:28 Helgason Like Boris Spassky?

05:31 Fischer No. I haven’t been in touch for a long time.

05:40 Helgason You played him in 1992. What status does he have in your mind?

05:48 Fischer Oh, he’s a very great chess player. But he’s a crook like all these other Russians.

05:55 Helgason Mr. Fischer, my show is almost over. It’s been a pleasure having you here.

06:03 Fischer Yeah. I’ve been trying to get on Iceland radio for over a year and a half. About the spring of 2000, I called up your president. I asked if he could help me to get on the radio in your country, and he said he would try. But he said, “This is not a dictatorship. It’s a democracy. I can’t tell the media what to do.” And I never heard from anybody.

06:32 The president couldn’t get me on, but Sæmi Pálsson did. The president couldn’t—or wouldn’t—get me on the radio in Iceland, because probably the US ambassador told him, “This guy’s bad news. Keep him off the air.”

06:56 Helgason Bobby, you’re already well known here. Nobody thinks badly of you. You did a great thing in Iceland. And I know there’s a lot of anti-American feeling, a lot of resentment about Keflavík.

07:08 Fischer It’s a real shame that Icelandair has to fly into a US base. What a humiliation.

07:21 Just close down the base. If they refuse to go, send them some letters with anthrax. They’ll get the message.

07:25 Helgason That’s a bit—

07:28 Fischer That’s a bit extreme? Ha.

07:35 Helgason I’d like you just to finish—I’d like you to say farewell to Sæmi.

07:40 Fischer Sæmi, wonderful to talk to you again. And I hope this is just the beginning of renewing our friendship.

07:49 Pálsson Well, likewise. Thank you very much.

07:52 Fischer I’m looking forward to meeting you and talking to you. And I want to get on other radio programmes in Iceland. I want to go on for a much longer time—an hour, two hours, even four or five hours. I don’t care how small the station is. I want to get on. I want to talk. I have a lot of things to say. We just scratched the surface now.

08:08 Helgason That’s good. Thank you very much for the pleasure.

08:12 Fischer Thank you. You’re welcome. I just want to say goodbye to everybody in Iceland. Thank you. Nice to talk to you again.

08:22 Helgason Thank you, Bobby. Bye.

21 Manila, Philippines, June 9, 2003 ↑

[Fischer calls into DZSR Sports Radio 918, Manila, by phone from Japan. The hosts are Marlon Bernardino, a sports broadcaster, and NM Rolando Norte (“Nolte”). This is Fischer’s twenty-first interview in the series and his first since the Icelandic broadcast in January 2002—a gap of nearly seventeen months. Fischer discusses the Iraq War at length, using Japanese newspaper clippings. He also returns to the Bekins robbery, Bobby Ang, and Fischer Random chess.]

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00:27 Bernardino But before this, I would like to say happy birthday to Shane and Meredith Pereira, and to the Active Chess Center of Asia, the National Chess Federation of the Philippines, and Attorney Ma. Defensor-Santiago. And to my one and only love. (in Tagalog) A beautiful morning to all. I would like to introduce my co-anchor, National Master Rolando Norte—a 1992 Manila Olympiad veteran and 1994 PhilBanca national champion. And my guest right now, the one and only, my idol, the legendary, the only champion in my heart—Robert James “Bobby” Fischer. Good afternoon, Mr. Bobby Fischer.

01:18 Fischer How are you doing? What about in your mind?

01:23 Bernardino Good afternoon, Mr. Fischer.

01:25 Fischer Yeah, good afternoon, Mr. Bernardino. What about in your mind? I’m very excited because you said I’m the only champion.

01:36 Bernardino And by the way, how are you doing now?

01:38 Fischer By the way—you said I’m the only champion in your heart. What about your mind and your intellect?

01:43 Bernardino Yes.

01:43 Fischer Okay, let’s skip it. Let’s continue. Who is this?

01:58 Bernardino Hello?

02:00 Fischer Hello? I can’t hear you. Who is this? Something is wrong with your voice, it’s distorted.

02:12 Bernardino Problem with the mic.

02:21 Fischer How is everything in the Philippines?

02:26 Bernardino Everything is well. Everything is under control, Bobby.

02:31 Fischer Yeah. I just read an article here in Japan by the Japanese ambassador to the Philippines. He says the situation is so terrible there, he can’t sleep at night.

02:46 Bernardino If I’m not mistaken, Bobby, this is your third time here on this station?

02:51 Fischer No, this is the fourth time on DZSR 918. I was on three times before.

03:04 Bernardino Mr. Fischer, I heard about your complaints about the loss of your memorabilia.

03:18 Fischer Yeah. Well, first of all, I’d like to tell people where they can go to get the complete picture on all of this. I have a website.

03:48 Bernardino For our listeners, the website of World Champion Robert “Bobby” James Fischer is: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/.

04:05 Fischer Yeah. Let me repeat that. This has all my previous twenty interviews and a whole lot of global commentaries, documents of all kinds. http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. Fischer is spelled F-I-S-C-H-E-R.

04:42 Bernardino How about Fischer Random chess?

04:52 Fischer Yeah. Well, nothing has happened with that at the moment. It hasn’t gotten off the ground, really. I think Lékó has played a little bit, and there have been some fast chess tournaments with it, but not really serious chess yet.

05:20 I invented this about almost ten years ago. It’s the same as the old chess, except in Fischer Random, you have 960 starting positions, whereas in old chess, you just have one. You mix the back rows of pieces in a certain way—there are certain limitations, not every single mix counts. But there are 960 starting positions, and you can castle on both sides from all of these positions.

06:13 So it really has the flavour of old chess, but it doesn’t have the disadvantages, because it eliminates the need for all this preparation in the openings. There’s just too much to prepare. It’s hard enough to prepare for the one starting position—there are thousands of books on that. Imagine trying to prepare for 960 starting positions. So basically, when you sit down, you’ll be pretty much on your own.

07:26 The Jews don’t like it because it’s a game of talent and skill, not a game of cheating, not a game of memorisation. Fischer Random is not controlled by any organisation like FIDE, which is also controlled by the Jews, of course.

07:50 Bernardino Do you think Fischer Random will be accepted by chess players all over the world?

07:55 Fischer I hope so. Eventually, yeah. The problem is these damn Jews. They’re blocking it.

08:04 Bernardino Do you think you can come over to the Philippines and show us Fischer Random, if possible?

08:08 Fischer Well, yeah, it’s possible. But I tend to like to get paid.

08:10 Bernardino Our good friend from the Active Chess Centre of Asia is planning to hold a Fischer Random tournament soon.

08:20 Fischer Oh great, great, great.

08:22 Bernardino And our friend Pereira knows that I will interview you right now on Sports Radio. He said to me that it’s really possible to give an inspirational talk, you know, for Fischer Random chess in the Philippines, in their tournament. Possible?

08:35 Fischer I don’t know about that, you know, but I’m giving an inspirational talk right now, you know.

08:43 Bernardino Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe with a big company or chess-lover sponsor—it may be other champions, just like Garry Kasparov, Anatoly Karpov, Vladimir Kramnik, Peter Lékó, Anand. Do you play with them in a Fischer Random match?

09:08 Fischer Yeah, well, Kasparov and Karpov and Kramnik are not champions in chess, they’re crooks.

09:16 Bernardino Yeah—I mean, if there’s somebody, a person who wants a Fischer Random match, maybe Kasparov, will you accept?

09:28 Fischer Well, everything depends on the conditions, and all my conditions have to be met. I’m ready to play Fischer Random.

[Fischer reads a series of newspaper clippings about the Iraq War.]

09:49 Fischer Regarding this war in Iraq, this is really quite horrific. Since I’m blacklisted by the Jews, I have a lot of time to listen to the radio and cut clippings out of the newspaper. So I’m pretty much on top of world news.

10:12 Some of the things I have read regarding this war are just unbelievably horrific. They’ve got a picture here—a twelve-year-old boy called Ali Ismail Abbas. He had both his arms blown off by the US. They killed his mother and father in the same explosion. And he says if he doesn’t get his hands back, he doesn’t want to live. His arms are blown off practically right up to the shoulder.

10:47 And right underneath that picture, I’ve got an article that says Elie Wiesel says the war in Iraq is justified. He’s a very famous Jew, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate. That was from the Japan Times, Tuesday, April 8, 2003.

11:16 Bernardino By the way, Bobby, thanks for the story about the boy. Sad thing. By the way, let me continue—what do you think of the state of FIDE right now?

11:26 Fischer Well, let me continue—I have a few more clippings in the same vein.

11:48 Here’s another clipping. This is from the Japan Times, Thursday, May 1, 2003—about depleted uranium ammo, radioactive fallout, courtesy of the US over in Iraq. The United States brought depleted uranium into Iraq in the first war in 1991, and now they’ve done it again. This stuff causes cancer. This isn’t a problem that’s going to go away soon.

12:44 And here—US has “no plans to count civilian casualties or property damage” over in Iraq. The Pentagon said yesterday that it has no plans to determine how many Iraqi civilians may have been killed or injured as a result of US military operations.

13:20 And then a story from the Washington Post. The headline is: “Many Iraqis say US is not making up for war damage.” Now that’s a typically dirty, misleading statement. All Iraqis say that. The US hasn’t done anything, hasn’t paid anybody anything.

13:43 But this is a story about a very beautiful girl. Her name is Dina Sarhan. And she lost a leg to a fragment from a US tank round that slashed through the front door of her house on April 10. And then she went to the United States occupying authorities there in Iraq to ask them for a prosthetic leg. But she has been told during visits from US military officials and an army chaplain that none will be forthcoming. See? No prosthetic leg, even for her.

14:19 “US officials have made clear to Iraqis that they do not intend to conduct a complete accounting of war damages, nor compensate those who say the occupying army owes them something.” John Kincannon, a spokesman for the Pentagon’s Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance—he says: “How do you ascertain facts three months after the incident, for example? And once word gets out that the Americans are paying people for damages, where does it stop?” I want to tell this character, John Kincannon—hey, you should have thought of that before you invaded Iraq.

15:00 I have another story here from a Japanese paper. This is the Japan Times, April 20, 2003: “America is the greatest abuser of WMD”—weapons of mass destruction. “What in the end boggles the mind is that such a transparently political term as WMD could be manipulated to launch a war.”

15:24 And now, here’s another story. This is not about Iraq—this is about something else. “Hiroshima Blast Marked—14 Anti-Nuclear Bomb Protesters Held in the US.” Fourteen protesters were arrested for protesting the Hiroshima nuclear bomb that the US dropped on August 6, 1945. They’ve been doing this for decades, and they protested outside of the Y-12 nuclear plant to commemorate the atomic bombing of Hiroshima during World War II. Up until now, the fine has only been $50. But the US says that the protesters have been getting, quote-unquote, “more aggressive”—whatever that means. They don’t explain what it means. And now they’re going to bring federal charges against these fourteen arrested people and put them away for a year for protesting the crime that the US committed of dropping an atom bomb on Hiroshima. Can you imagine that? That’s the United States.

16:38 Bernardino Yeah—by the way, Bobby, thanks. I heard about your memorabilia and your belongings, because I see your website in Global Commentary, like Mr. Bob Ellsworth. Right? Can you explain that?

16:53 Fischer Yeah, my stuff was stolen. This was in about late 1998 or early 1999. The United States government, Bekins Moving and Storage Company—the Pasadena, California branch—and Mr. Bob Ellsworth robbed all of my stuff in storage. This is not a small robbery. This is one of the biggest robberies in the history of the United States, perhaps the biggest in terms of monetary value. They robbed an entire room full of my belongings—not a cubicle, a room. I rented a very expensive large room.

17:36 They broke into my safes, broke into my file cabinets, broke into all of my boxes—hundreds of boxes—and just stole everything, including my gold coin collections, my silver coin collections, my score sheets, thousands of books, maybe hundreds of thousands of documents—maybe in the millions, but surely hundreds of thousands. All my receipts, my contracts, my fan mail, my chess sets, my statues, all the gifts I’ve gotten over many decades. They just stole every last thing. An outright vicious robbery—a violation of my constitutional rights, because so far as anyone knows, there was never any due process of law, no court case, nothing. And the Jew press—that controls the press in the US—they’re trying to justify this crime, saying it’s all legal. Now there’s an article in the Atlantic Monthly—they call this a “fictitious robbery.” See, I’m out all my belongings, but they call it a fictitious robbery. In other words, they’re saying it’s all legal. But of course it’s not legal, because under the Constitution, people cannot deprive you of your property without due process of law.

[The Atlantic Monthly article Fischer refers to—Rene Chun, “Bobby Fischer’s Endgame,” December 2002—together with that issue’s cover and contents page, as Fischer reproduced them on his website:]

18:51 Plus, it’s a very obvious conspiracy between Bob Ellsworth and Bekins, because Bob Ellsworth was paying my storage fees for years with the money I was sending. I was sending him $5,000 a year to pay for my storage and some other things. And suddenly he claims now he stopped paying. See? So to give Bekins a pretext to rob my belongings. It’s totally absurd. Obviously the Jews are behind it—a vicious crime. Just a huge amount of money—this stuff is worth a tremendous amount of money. And it’s a tremendous invasion of privacy, stealing letters from my mother, from my… stealing copies of my letters, stealing my handwritten notebooks. The list goes on and on—it’s just a gigantic list of things they’ve stolen.

19:46 Well, the United States is a completely lawless country. Did you listen to my interviews? Can I call you Marlon? Marlon, have you been listening to my interviews on the website?

20:01 Bernardino Yes, yeah. I have been listening to them.

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[Fischer continues on the Bekins case, Guantánamo, Bobby Ang, the Iraq War and bin Laden’s strategy.]

00:09 Fischer If you will listen to my interviews, you will notice something I emphasise quite a bit: the United States is a lawless country. It is not a country of laws like they claim it is. It’s a country of people. Everything is who you are and who you know. The law counts for nothing.

00:31 And now I was just reading in the papers—there’s a US diplomat called Richard Lawless. Isn’t that a great name for a US diplomat?

00:51 Bernardino By the way, Bobby—what are your plans regarding the loss of your precious items? Do you have a plan?

01:00 Fischer The plan regarding my items that they stole? The plan is just to expose it. You see, the United States is a brutal Jewish dictatorship. The law means nothing there. Look at the way they’re handling the prisoners in Guantánamo. They’re torturing them, forcing them to talk in interrogations, which is completely illegal. Why should people have to be a witness against themselves? That’s a violation of the US Constitution, the Fifth Amendment. And they say it’s not just the CIA—they’re getting private contractors, mercenaries, to do the torturing.

02:23 Fischer Fischer Random is superior to the classic chess. The classic chess is played out, and it’s all prearranged at the highest level. Look at the FIDE President, Campomanes—he’s accused now of stealing money. And Ilyumzhinov is no better. He’s a crook too. He forged a letter in my name to get himself elected as FIDE president.

02:58 Bernardino By the way, Bobby—thanks. I heard that the FIDE current president, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, plans to unite all world champions in the classic chess. This is proven when Garry Kasparov and Vladimir Kramnik from the Professional Chess Association agreed to a unification match—maybe PCA to FIDE. How about you? Are you interested in going back to classic chess?

03:22 Fischer No, I’m out of the old chess permanently. No interest at all. Do you still like the old game, Marlon?

03:29 Bernardino Right now I’m busy reporting here in Sports Radio and covering chess tournament. But I’m not the only one who says chess is played out, broadcasting… I mean, I’m busy right now covering boxing, billiards—and Monday I’m also broadcasting here in Sports Radio.

03:52 Fischer Billiards—you said?

04:04 Bernardino Yeah, I’m covering billiards also. Two weeks ago, Efren Bata Reyes won here in the Manila Second SMB League. He will represent Asia in the World Pool Championship in Cardiff, Wales.

04:21 Fischer Oh, great. Are we talking about billiards? What are you talking about, billiards or chess?

04:26 Bernardino I talk about billiards.

04:27 Fischer Billiards, yeah. I read an article about a year ago about your champion.

04:33 Bernardino Right now I’m busy covering chess tournament, billiard tournament and boxing tournament like that.

04:39 Fischer Boxing also. What do you think of Mike Tyson?

05:01 Fischer You remember Bobby Ang? He referred to me—he talked about my “Cinderella ride” to the World Championship. I said at the time this was a deliberate insult. And I joked that if Bobby Ang made a remark about Mike Tyson—calling him Cinderella—he’d probably get his ear bitten off.

05:48 Well, I have a clipping here from the Daily Yomiuri, December 9, 2001. Mike Tyson, before his fight with Lennox Lewis, calls Lewis “a Cinderella.” He says: “So keep taking those acting lessons, Lennox, because your next role will be playing Cinderella, and I am going to break your little glass chin.” See? Bobby Ang knew very well that when he talked about my “Cinderella ride,” he was insulting me.

06:31 Bernardino Okay, Bobby. I think National Master Norte has a question for you.

06:36 Norte Yeah, yeah, Bobby. I have something to read about the global commentary. “The great comedian Jackie Gleason used to say ‘How sweet it is.’ Yes, indeed—it’s good to be a Jew. The Jews control the United States of America. Just ask the dirty Jew Bob Ellsworth.” What exactly is the meaning of this?

07:06 Fischer The meaning of it is—I was sending him—Ellsworth—$5,000 a year to pay for my storage fees in Pasadena and also to pay for my two P.O. boxes and for my property, some land down in Florida. That’s more than enough—everything costs about $3,000-something. So I sent him over $1,000, maybe almost $2,000 extra.

07:47 So he suddenly claims now he stopped paying it. He told me he was paying it all the time. I would check with him every few months. “Everything okay with all my bills?” “Oh, yeah. Everything’s paid.” Then suddenly, I find out my stuff is being auctioned here and there. He says, “Oh, I didn’t pay.” He didn’t pay for over six months, because Bekins claims they only need six months of non-payment and they can seize your stuff.

08:24 He’s just a crook working with Bekins. He’s an establishment Jew, a very wealthy Jew. He’s advertising right now all the time in Time magazine—he has a company that sells language cassettes. These ads in Time magazine cost a fortune, you know, this is a huge circulation of millions of copies. And he’s advertising—couple of weeks in a row. They were one-third-page colour ads. One of them was May 8, 2003, another May 12, 2003 for his language cassettes. This is 101language.com. And also, last year, March 25, 2002, he had a full-page colour ad in Time magazine about his language cassettes. They claim it’s the world’s largest language bookstore. So he’s a very rich man. This has nothing to do with saving a few hundred dollars for my storage fees—my monthly rent was like $80. This is a deliberate conspiracy between Ellsworth, Bekins, and the US government to rob my stuff.

[Pages from Ellsworth’s “101language.com” website, reproduced from Fischer’s website:]

[The “101language.com” advertisements in Time, as Fischer reproduced them on his website:]

09:56 We know the US government cares nothing about law—I mean, that’s obvious, right? Look what they’re doing to the prisoners in Guantánamo. Look at this attack against Iraq. Corrupt country.

10:13 Norte Are they involved in this Original Bible project?

10:18 Fischer Oh, that… that is another scam he has. There’s a new translation of the Bible his people are working on, and they’re asking people to send in donations to help finance the translation and then to spread the new translation around. And if you will go to his website that I mentioned, he even has a form for people to donate their inheritance—when they die, can you imagine it? So the man is an absolute crook, a secret Jew. He claimed he was a Christian, but he’s a secret Jew, obviously, and working with the US government.

11:08 You know, as I said, in The Daily Yomiuri of April 9, 2003, you’ve got US Deputy Assistant Defence Secretary Richard Lawless. That is the name of a US diplomat, Richard Lawless. What a great name, huh? You should have US diplomats called Mr. Liar, Mr. Murderer, Mr. Thief, no?

11:42 What were you saying, Norte?

11:44 Bernardino Bobby, my next question is…

11:51 Fischer Hello?

11:56 Bernardino My next, my next… hang on, Bobby?

12:01 Fischer Yeah.

12:02 Bernardino This is Marlon.

12:02 Fischer Yeah, I can hardly hear you, Marlon—you’re fading out.

12:09 Bernardino Bobby? Are you there?

12:12 Fischer I’m here. (laughs)

12:14 Bernardino Okay, I’m Marlon. My next question is—do you open, like, sometimes you play even though sometimes you play just classic?

12:31 Fischer Do I play… no, no more—I’m finished. Finished. I hate the old chess.

12:35 Bernardino Okay. By the way, there’s a lot of chess players here in the Philippines listening to our interview to you, from Luzon, Visayas, Mindanao. What do you want to say to them regarding chess Random? Do you encourage them to play Fischer Random?

13:05 Fischer Who are these people?

13:06 Bernardino The chess players here in the Philippines. I give you a chance to speak to them, like, you can encourage them to play chess Random.

13:18 Fischer I encourage them, yes. Yeah.

13:24 Bernardino Because back to the Active Chess Centre of Asia, they’re planning soon to hold a chess Random tournament. My question to you, do you want to say to the chess players, maybe you can encourage them to play chess Random?

13:44 Fischer Yeah, I encourage them. They should. Yeah, it’s better than the old chess. Yeah, sure.

13:55 Bernardino By the way, maybe some question to you.

14:00 Norte Well, what can you say about, you know, some of your avid fans sending emails to your email address?

14:10 Fischer Yeah, people can send emails.

14:14 Norte Some of them are favourable to you?

14:18 Fischer Yeah, yeah, I got an email here—you can, when you go to the website, you can just click on there and send an email to me. Can I read a new one? I got a good one just now. It’s not even on the website yet—it’ll be on in a few days. Want me to read one?

14:37 Yeah. This is the message. “Hi Champ.” This is sent Friday, 6th of June 2003, 22:44. And it says: “Hi Champ. Do you hear the news from Germany yesterday, the 5th of June? The famous German politician Jürgen Möllemann was killed by Mossad. The Jewish-controlled media said it was suicide. It was not. Everyone knows he was killed by the fucking Jews because he was the president of the German-Arabian Society, and he wrote a book about the Jewish crimes in Germany.” And it says: “Klartext, ISBN number 3-570-00755-3. The Jews control the German newspapers and the TV. They control the justice. And now they kill the German politician.” Then he’s got like six or seven exclamation marks. That’s it. That’s a recent email.

15:43 Norte I have a printout here, also, some of your emails.

15:48 Fischer Yeah, yeah, some of them are interesting, huh?

15:51 Norte America is the world’s greatest parasite, isn’t it?

15:54 Fischer That’s right, yeah, greatest parasite. I have another clip here—this is from the newspaper, The Japan Times, April 16. And it’s a picture of Donald Rumsfeld, who is a Jew, by the way—you can go to the website and the article that shows that he’s a Jew. This Donald Rumsfeld is a Jewish killer. And he’s shaking hands and giving an American flag to Michael Jordan. The caption says: “US Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld presents Washington Wizards basketball legend Michael Jordan with an American flag that flew at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.”

17:02 Rumsfeld’s contaminated. He’s got blood all over his hands, all over his body. Instead of taking a flag from him, Jordan should have taken his head and bounced it all over the basketball court.

17:15 Norte You want something to say about the US attack on Iraq?

17:20 Fischer Yeah, I already said a few things about it, Norte. The stories are so horrific. Another story I read—this guy, a soldier, killed a child, I think maybe about ten or something, maybe younger. And he was afraid that the child was coming over to kill him, you know—and they just shot him. The kid had no weapon, nothing. And then the guy says, after he killed him: “Oh, they thought they could trick us with these kids, huh? Well, we showed them we’re not afraid to kill kids.” That’s what he said. (laughs) I’m not making that up.

18:01 Just unbelievable stories are coming out of Iraq, you know. Now there’s a story that the British are forcing prisoners to simulate sex acts among themselves. They forced a prisoner to put his face right into the crotch of a naked British serviceman. And he had the photographs of this.

18:25 Marlon By the way, Bobby, this is Marlon. My question is—the attack of the US in Iraq, for example, if you demonstrate it in chess, is that a brilliant move or a blunder?

18:37 Fischer I have said many times, the only chance for the United States to save itself is to withdraw its troops from all over the world, to stop supporting the bandit state of Israel, and to abandon its aggressive plans. All they are doing now is getting themselves in deeper.

19:02 This bin Laden, the man, is a genius. He is orchestrating all of this. He has provoked the US into making these attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq. It’s very easy for the US to take over these countries with their Tomahawk missiles and all that technology. The people and the governments are sitting ducks. But after the US becomes the occupying force, then the US is the sitting duck. So he has sucked the US into these places, and now they are just sitting ducks.

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[Brief closing segment—about three minutes.]

00:00 Fischer Four Israeli soldiers were killed in the bandit state of Israel. And four German peacekeepers were killed yesterday in a suicide bombing in Afghanistan. And the headline in the International Herald Tribune is that the US is afraid of snipers all over Iraq, in Baghdad.

00:36 So it’s very easy to take over these countries, but how do you keep control? The Iraqis say, “We’re not going to give up our weapons. We’re getting more weapons. We want to drive the Americans out.”

00:50 So the US is just blundering from one blunder after another. And I think the US is not gonna exist much longer. I think everybody is gonna be surprised at just how soon the US collapses and becomes history.

01:10 Bernardino We want some more, but we’re running out of time.

01:29 Fischer I appreciate you letting me on. I can’t get on anywhere else. After my last interview in Iceland, I haven’t been able to get on anywhere in the world—not one place. And you know that. I’ve been trying. I’ve been asking you for months to get me on.

01:43 Bernardino Yeah, I know. It’s very hard.

01:46 Fischer You were sending emails to everybody and trying everything to get me on, but nobody would have me. Right?

01:53 Bernardino Yeah.

02:03 Fischer Thank you for letting me on. Tell everybody—do we have a few seconds to give the website again?

02:11 Bernardino I’ll announce it: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/.

02:27 Fischer Okay. Thank you very much, Norte and Marlon, for letting me on. I’d like to get on some more. I’m ready to go on in the Philippines, anywhere in the world. Just help me to get on some more, Norte. Okay?

02:43 Norte Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

02:44 Bernardino Thank you, Mr. Robert “Bobby” James Fischer—World Champion in chess, promoting Fischer Random.

22 Baguio, Philippines, August 12, 2004 ↑

[Fischer calls Bombo Radio, Baguio, from a Japanese immigration detention centre. He was arrested at Narita Airport on July 13, 2004, while attempting to board a flight to Manila. His US passport had been revoked. This is the most urgent and distressed interview in the entire series—Fischer believes he will be deported to the US and killed. Pablo Mercado hosts; Melchor is co-anchor.]

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00:28 Mercado We are on the air over Bombo Radio right now. We have a co-anchor, Melchor. First of all, I’d like to ask you, Bobby, how are you?

00:40 Fischer Not very good.

00:42 Mercado Why?

00:46 Fischer I was illegally arrested July 13 as I was going to board a flight for Manila from Tokyo.

00:56 Mercado You were coming to the Philippines then?

01:00 Fischer Yes. July 13. I’ve been in prison ever since then. They’re preparing to deport me to the US—to be murdered by Bush and the fucking Jews.

01:12 Mercado Did they give any reason for your arrest?

01:18 Fischer Yes. They claimed that my passport was revoked, which was a flat-out lie. Absolute lie, total lie. My passport was perfectly valid. I would like everybody to go to the website where they can get all the information. I have a very long statement of facts there, and it has all the truth.

[Fischer’s website includes a scan of the U.S. passport he was detained for using; it is reproduced in Appendix D.]

01:42 Mercado They said that the US said your passport was revoked?

01:50 Fischer They destroyed my passport. They turned it over to the US Embassy, and the US Embassy punched holes through it.

01:57 Mercado So now you don’t have any passport?

02:00 Fischer No. I have no passport. And they’re preparing to deport me to the US for using a revoked passport, an invalid passport.

02:09 Mercado The news about your arrest came several days—maybe about two or three weeks ago. How come they have not yet deported you?

02:19 Fischer I don’t know. They’re just taking their time. I think they want to go through the motions of pretending there’s due process. And also, I think they may be waiting for the Olympics to begin. And then when they ship me back, it’ll just be a tiny little story. Everybody will be glued to their TV enjoying the Olympic Games, and it’ll just be a small story in the back. “Fischer was sent to the US.” Nobody will be too upset, because they’ll be enjoying the Olympics. It’s all been prearranged and timed.

03:02 And then I will be tried, convicted, sentenced, imprisoned, and murdered.

03:06 Mercado Murdered?

03:08 Fischer Yeah. If you go to the website—I want to give that website.

03:19 http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. [Fischer spells out the URL letter by letter while Mercado reads it back.] And then you go there, you get the statement of facts, and all the documents—everything is there. Maybe we’ll give the address again later, okay? The key, because there’s so much more than I can explain in five minutes.

04:44 It’s totally illegal. The Japs know it. Everybody knows it.

04:53 Mercado You’ve been living for quite some time in Japan. This is the first time this kind of thing has happened to you?

05:03 Fischer This is a vicious betrayal. They stabbed me in the back. They got one fucking call from the US Embassy, and they’re ready to sell me down the river. It doesn’t matter how much money I spent here. I spent about $300,000—$350,000—with the Taiyo Corporation. Paid them, gave them my ideas, gave them my time, gave them my money. And I spent a fortune on Japanese electronics here, spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just going to the mineral baths with my friend. And then they get one call from the US Embassy, and they’re sending me to prison in the US to die. Really vicious cockroaches here in Japan.

05:50 Mercado You’re mad at the Japanese government too?

05:55 Fischer Damn right I am. Totally illegal, and they know it. They’re just scared—if they give me justice, they’ll be screwed. Because everybody is so scared shitless of the US here.

06:20 It’s all based on a letter from the US Embassy in Manila, Philippines, dated December 11, 2003. And this letter says my passport is revoked. But they never sent this letter to me. They just made it up. Because when they send you such a letter, you have a right to appeal within 60 days. And then if you lose the hearing, you have a right to appeal again within 60 days. It’s a very long process to revoke your passport.

07:01 But they claim they sent me the letter. I got the letter. I ignored it. And now I’m travelling on a revoked passport. All absolute lies.

07:19 Mercado You did not receive any letter?

07:22 Fischer No. And not only that—I was at the US Embassy in Bern, Switzerland, a few weeks before, and they gave me extra pages for my passport because it was all full of stamps. I couldn’t hardly travel because I had no space for visa stamps.

07:33 I went to the US Embassy myself on October 27, 2003. I gave them my passport, said I need extra pages. They made me wait a couple of hours. Then they said Washington says it’s blocked. “You have to call us, and then we’ll see what happens.” So they gave me back my passport. Then we went back and forth on the phone for about ten days. And then on November 6, 2003, they gave me the extra pages.

08:29 So I thought that was the end of it. I never heard anything more from the Americans. And now suddenly, they say they sent me a letter a few weeks later revoking my passport. All absolute lies.

09:04 The date I got the extra pages was November 6, 2003. And then this revocation letter is dated December 11, 2003. But they never sent it to me. They’ve got a fake letter. They have absolutely no proof they ever sent it to me.

09:29 And as a matter of fact, on December 11, I was still in Switzerland. They could easily have called me on my mobile phone number.

09:39 So it’s an absolute lie. It’s a set-up. The Japs know it. The Americans know it. The press knows it. Everybody knows it.

10:04 I couldn’t call you before because I was at another prison where it was impossible to phone freely. Now here I can phone freely—it’s like a payphone.

10:10 Mercado I’ve been asked by some of the news outlets in the United States why is Fischer calling you—why not the newsmen from the US or from Europe?

10:25 Fischer They won’t let me on live, Pablo. There have been a few people from the TV stations—60 Minutes or whatever. But they just want to record stuff. And then they will use what they want, or not use what they want, or use nothing.

10:42 I like to go on live. That’s my way. I don’t want to be edited and censored.

11:04 All lies. There’s absolutely no way if I got such a letter I’m going to ignore it and throw away my life. You know, the CIA has electronic devices everywhere. They got fourteen different spy organizations in the United States. If I knew about it, they’d have it on tape. They’d have something, right. They got nothing. They haven’t got a fucking thing. I never heard of this letter. They never sent it to me. They’re just fucking liars.

11:31 And also, this letter from the Embassy has no address. It just says “Robert James Fischer”—no address. So they keep their flexibility. You know what I mean? They can make up later where they “sent it to you”—in quotation marks. You understand? Absolute crooks. You see what the US is doing all over, torturing people. Shit country, a country of criminals. It’s always been a criminal country.

11:55 But I want everybody to go—I want you to read that website address again and download all the material.

12:22 Mercado So everything that’s been happening to you is still part of that Jewish conspiracy?

12:28 Fischer Yes, yes. They’ve already robbed all my belongings in America. You remember I said I wasn’t going to pay any more taxes on that land I had in Florida? They’ve already taken that. I refused to send them any more tax money, and I refused to send them the mowing fee—they want you to pay when your lawn becomes overgrown. So they said since I refused to pay the mowing fee—which was a few hundred dollars—they said, “We’re going to fine you $500 a day.” So now they say I owe them like a couple hundred thousand dollars. And they’re auctioning off my property.

13:18 They’ve stolen all my property. They’ve stolen all my rights from my books. They’ve made illegal movies. And I believe they also stole some of my stuff in storage in New York too—at Morgan Manhattan Storage. I think Ellsworth conspired with them to steal extremely valuable stuff there in New York also.

13:52 So they stole all my belongings. They stole all my land and property. They stole all my rights. All my book rights, movie rights, everything. They stole my name—Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess is the trademark of Learning International. And now I see that “Searching for Bobby Fischer” is the property of Viacom.

14:30 And now they want to put me in prison also. They’re absolute criminals. The Jews are behind this. It’s a filthy Jew country. The United States is totally evil and corrupt, and they’re going to get what’s coming to them very, very soon, thank God. I won’t be around to see it, but it’s coming soon.

14:47 Mercado You said the US got what it deserved during the attack on the World Trade Center.

14:56 Fischer That wasn’t even a figment of what they deserve.

15:05 Mercado What are your views about Iraq?

15:08 Fischer The United States is completely wrong. This is criminal, what they’re doing. They’re poisoning the land with depleted uranium, killing people by the tens or hundreds of thousands, robbing their oil every day—hundreds of millions of dollars every day. It’s criminal in every way.

16:04 Mercado So who’s the real terrorist?

16:06 Fischer Bush is the terrorist. The Jews are the terrorists. Israel is the terrorist. Sharon is the terrorist. Wolfowitz is the terrorist. Perle is the terrorist. Rumsfeld is the terrorist. All Jews, except, I think, Bush—I don’t think he’s Jewish. Everybody else—Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz. I think they call Wolfowitz “Werewolfowitz” now, you know. (laughs)

16:29 Mercado Do you have a message for Mr. Bush?

16:30 Fischer You’re a fucking murderer, Bush, and you’re going to get what’s coming to you. You’re a fucking liar. You’re a degenerate.

16:41 Mercado Next month is the anniversary of the World Trade Center bombing. What are your views about it?

16:49 Fischer Well, look—since then, you know how many people the US has killed? Like hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan and Iraq. You still want to dwell on that? How many people did Israel kill through all the decades? Hundreds of thousands they’ve murdered over in Palestine. All right—that Trade Center thing was just a pinprick. It was nothing compared to what the US deserves, and nothing compared to what the US is going to get.

17:27 Mercado Okay, let’s get back to your situation right now. If they’re going to bring you back to the US, are you prepared to face the US courts?

17:35 Fischer No. There’s no justice there. Everyone knows that. The whole country is a vicious dictatorship. The plan is that it’s going to be a kangaroo court, and they’re going to murder me.

17:55 Mercado You don’t see any possibility that the Japanese authorities might just free you?

18:05 Fischer I’m very disappointed with these people. It looks like everything is all set. As I said, they’re going through the motions, waiting for the Olympics to begin.

18:32 Mercado You seem resigned to your fate.

18:37 Fischer Well, I’m here in a prison right now. Just to go see my lawyer, I had to go through about ten doors.

18:43 Mercado And what does your lawyer say about the situation?

18:52 Fischer He says it’s all illegal. Everybody says it’s illegal. But it’s obviously just a set-up.

19:02 I’ve been kidnapped by the Japanese police, and they want to illegally send me back to the US. See, the US—it’s very difficult to deport me, because this alleged crime I committed in 1992 is not a crime anywhere else. And even if it were, it’s a very long, difficult process to deport somebody. So they made this end run around deportation by claiming I came in on an illegal passport. Absolute lie in every way.

19:35 They didn’t want to touch me in Switzerland because Switzerland is neutral. So they waited till I was in Japan, where the US is in control. I was very stupid not to realise that the Japanese had absolutely no self-respect anymore.

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00:00 Fischer I thought the Japanese had too much self-respect to do something like this. But I see all their self-respect is gone.

00:14 Mercado Well, so, it’s kind of difficult—your situation right now?

00:21 Fischer Very difficult, yeah. You don’t sound too sympathetic, Pablo. What the fuck—have they told you to try to make me look bad?

00:31 Mercado No, I never had any contact with anybody till Eugene called me up. You don’t sound angry about this.

00:38 Fischer Oh, I am. All right, I am.

00:40 Mercado So what do we do now?

00:45 Fischer I think people should get out in front of the Japanese Embassy in Manila and in front of the US Embassy, with signs. There’s a plot between the US and Japan to murder me in America. People should get out in force in front of those embassies with signs. Get out there all day, all night, stay out there.

01:18 Also, I’ve been trying to renounce my US citizenship, but the US will not let me. They refused to come out to this detention centre to let me take the oath of renunciation in front of a diplomatic or consular officer.

01:32 So I sent them a letter renouncing my citizenship, but I think it’s legal under the circumstances, because they are refusing to obey the law. And of course, they will claim it’s not legal. But they are refusing to come out here and let me renounce my citizenship, because they feel it’s to their advantage to claim I’m an American. If I’m not an American, they can’t deport me to America.

02:02 Mercado What can they get out of bringing you back to America?

02:16 Fischer The hatred of the Jews. The Jews control America. I exposed them. They get revenge.

02:30 Who indicted me? Who robbed all my belongings in Bekins? Who robbed my belongings probably in Manhattan Storage Company also? Who is robbing all my rights, my 60 Memorable Games, Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess? Who has made the illegal movie Searching for Bobby Fischer? Who is robbing my property in Florida? Who stole all my belongings at Bekins Moving and Storage Company, right? What right do they have to talk about revenge? But this is the way they feel. They feel if you expose their crimes, that’s a very evil thing to do, you know—the Jews. And they have to exact revenge. That’s how they think.

03:07 Even exposing their crimes is a crime to them. When they rob you and persecute you, you should just be quiet about it—take your lumps. So they figure everybody should be quiet and take their lumps, because if they don’t take their lumps, it’ll be even worse, you see.

03:32 Mercado What about your friends in Japan? Have they been visiting you?

03:39 Fischer Yeah. My friend Miyoko. She’s trying to do everything. She really can’t believe how dirty her fellow countrymen are. Her government. She’s very shocked and ashamed.

03:56 Mercado Is there no chance you can visit us anymore in the Philippines?

04:00 Fischer Once I’m in the US, I’ll never get out of jail again. I’ll be in prison the rest of my life.

04:29 Mercado Any message for anybody?

04:35 Fischer People should get out in front of the Japanese and American embassies. Do whatever it takes, even violence—to show people your anger. America is a criminal regime. They are criminals. This is a kidnapping—has absolutely nothing to do with any law. This is a kidnapping by the Jap government working for the US. It’s a militarily occupied country.

05:10 Mercado I heard a report in a Japanese paper that had you gone to the Philippines, you would have been arrested there at the airport. Have you heard anything about this?

05:22 Fischer No. I think that’s just something the CIA told the Japanese to put out, so the Japanese don’t look so bad. Like, “Oh well, if not just us, the Philippines would have arrested him too.” My friend was out there to meet me. She said she didn’t see anything unusual. I think it’s an absolute lie put out by the CIA.

06:07 Fischer I requested what they call refugee status. But the idea is—how can you ask for refugee status against the United States? They say the United States is the greatest country in the world, the most perfect democracy. They would never hurt anybody illegally there. So I don’t expect them to give me refugee status.

06:46 I tried to get out on bail. They refused. Before they destroyed my passport, right away, the first night, July 13, they retroactively cancelled my entry visa to Japan, and they cancelled my exit visa—which they had already stamped. The lawyer went to court to try to get those cancellations revoked, because it’s completely illegal. It’s all based on this fraudulent letter by the United States—December 11, 2003, signed by Theodore Allegra, Consul of the United States of America.

07:43 So I’m trying to get this… but, you know, it’s just all a big joke. Absolutely corrupt country, Japan. But how could it be otherwise? It’s controlled by the US, right? How can any country that’s controlled by the US be anything but absolutely corrupt, you know?

08:04 Mercado Okay.

08:05 Fischer Not okay! Why do you keep saying “okay,” Pablo?

08:09 Mercado Like the programme is about to end here. We have about five minutes more. Our programme ends at about eight o’clock.

08:24 Mercado I would like to say—you take care of yourself as much as you can.

08:40 Fischer Could you read that internet site again?

08:45 Mercado http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/.

09:01 Fischer Just go there, download all the new material about this kidnapping of me by the Japs. And get out in front of the Japanese Embassy and the American Embassy. I would like all my fans to get out there.

09:37 Mercado I’ll try to get in touch with you again. I have your number.

09:45 Fischer You can’t call me. I’m in a prison here. I’ll get the number to you through Eugene.

10:05 I’m still here. They’ve already rejected all of my appeals. I might just have one last appeal, from the minister here. He can just say no, and they can take me away at any time. At any minute, they can just take me away to my death in America.

10:22 Mercado We’ll try to track you down wherever you are.

10:28 Fischer Well, I’d like you to try to stop this, not to track me down. Once I’m in an American prison, my life is over. I’m already behind like ten doors here. How many doors am I going to be locked behind when I’m in America? It’ll be like at least twenty or thirty doors. And they will be torturing me in every way.

10:51 The United States is completely evil. And the Japanese are a disgrace. They’re a disgrace to the human race. I trusted these people. And on one word from the US, they’re ready to stab me in the back and kill me. These are shameful people. They’re a fucking disgrace of a country.

11:24 Sending me to the US to die, after all I’ve done for Japan and after all I’ve done for the world. These people are absolute fucking pigs. They were once a real country. Now they’re just—if Howard Baker called up Koizumi and told him, “Get over here to the American Embassy in half an hour and suck my dick,” Koizumi, the Japanese Prime Minister, would be over there. I really believe that. That is how debased and degraded the Japanese have become.

12:06 Mercado We’re getting off now.

12:08 Fischer Okay, Pablo. Take it easy out there.

12:11 Mercado Thank you very much.

12:12 Fischer You’re welcome. Bye.

23 Reykjavík, Iceland, August 20, 2004 ↑

[Fischer calls into Icelandic radio from the East Japan Immigration Centre. This broadcast takes place about five weeks after his arrest at Narita Airport and eight days after the Bombo Radio call (Chapter 22). The interviewers are an Icelandic radio host, and Rafn Jökulsson, Vice President of the Southwest Region of Iceland, who has been campaigning on Fischer’s behalf. Sæmi Pálsson is mentioned as present. Fischer has just received a letter from the US Embassy agreeing to let him formally renounce his citizenship.]

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[Programme opens with Icelandic theme music and short ads—veisluréttir.is catering, Bónus supermarket (“Bónus—það borgar sig”), Hlíðarfjall ski resort in Akureyri (“allt annar heimur”), Fasteignasalan Gimli realty, and a Saga radio promo (“þar sem þjóðin talar og hlustar”). At 00:45 the host returns: “Jæja, góðir hlustendur. Við bregðum aðeins út af venjunni… á línunni er Bobby Fischer, Robert James Fischer.”]

00:55 Host Mr. Fischer, nice to have you with us.

00:58 Fischer Yeah, hi, how are you? Who am I talking to?

01:01 Host This is Mr. Tómasson, my friend, Bobby. That’s Sæmi.

01:05 Fischer Oh, you’re Sæmi—who am I talking to, Sæmi?

01:06 Host That’s Sæmi. And then we have Mr. Tómasson. And then we have Mr. Jökulsson—he’s with us, as I told you. The Vice President of the Southwest Region.

01:27 Host He’s a great man. He’s been fighting your battle here in Iceland.

01:32 Jökulsson Hi, Bobby.

01:34 Fischer Hi. What is your name?

01:35 Jökulsson Jökulsson.

01:40 Jökulsson So how is your life in the detention camp in Japan, Mr. Fischer?

01:55 Fischer Well, not too good. I mean, it’s a nice detention camp here, actually. The original detention place I was at—the Narita Airport Detention Centre—was horrible. But this is a rather modern place, very modern, and it’s actually quite nice, except they’ve got cameras everywhere and microphones everywhere. You have absolutely no privacy.

02:24 But otherwise, it’s actually quite nice—if you don’t mind that.

02:29 Jökulsson As a detention camp can be nice.

02:33 Fischer Yeah. But it’s really 1984 with all these cameras looking at you and microphones.

02:43 Jökulsson You were moved from the detention camp at the airport to another place?

02:48 Fischer Yes. The place at the airport was just a very small place—like four big cells. You’re in the room almost 24 hours. They just let you out to make a phone call. And when they let you out, they’re searching you constantly before you go in and out. And when you make a phone call there, they’re surrounding you, and you’re talking on a speakerphone. Extremely unpleasant. But here it’s quite a relaxed environment—except for the cameras and microphones everywhere.

03:26 Jökulsson Have you spoken to any Japanese officials about your case?

03:36 Fischer Yeah. They give you something called an “interview,” which is kind of an interrogation. And then I have a lawyer and friends helping me. I think I have some pretty good news today. I don’t know if you’ve been following this, but I’ve been trying to renounce my US citizenship.

03:59 Jökulsson Yes. It has been in the news.

04:01 Fischer But the US Embassy in Tokyo was not cooperating. They would not come out here to let me do it the way it’s supposed to be done—in front of somebody from the embassy. But now I just got a letter from them. They say they’re willing to come out so I can renounce my citizenship. So that will be good. Hopefully, then the Japanese and American governments will get their pound of flesh from me, and they’ll let me out of this fucking place.

04:40 Jökulsson Everybody hopes so. I just wanted to tell you that the Icelandic people have been following your case. You are very much admired in Iceland. Everybody has been thinking about you and talking about you. There have been letters in the press and people talking on the radio stations about you.

05:05 Fischer Thank you. The US government and the Japanese government have absolutely broken all the laws here. This arrest is totally illegal. I was never notified in advance as the law says you have to be when they revoke your passport. There was no revocation of my passport. My passport was never legally revoked. It’s all lies.

05:26 If you read the letter of December 11 from Theodore Allegra—from the US Manila Embassy—and then the three attached pages of the law, it’s very clear that they cannot do what they have done.

05:49 Jökulsson They have to send you a letter before, and they didn’t do that.

05:54 Fischer Right. And now they admit it. There’s a letter I have now from the US Embassy dated August 11, 2004. And they admit they never properly notified me.

06:16 This is “Embassy of the United States of America, Tokyo, August 11, 2004.” If you go to page 2, at the very end, it says: “Mr. Fischer’s passport was properly revoked on November 21, 2003, prior to his April 15 entry into Japan. However, we were unable to properly advise him of the revocation until he was located in Japan on July 14, 2004.”

06:55 So they’re admitting they never advised me of this until after they had destroyed the passport. After they gave me the letter—at the same time, this Peter from the US Embassy had my destroyed passport there with this letter of December 11. You see? So by the time they had properly notified me—I mean, what they claim is proper notification—it’s not really even proper, because the letter is not signed. But by the time they gave me this letter saying my passport had been revoked, they had already destroyed my passport.

07:46 Now the point is: they cannot do that, because when they revoke your passport, you have 60 days to appeal. It’s not final until you let those 60 days run out. So how in the world can they destroy your passport before you’ve had a chance to appeal? How could you appeal having your passport destroyed once it’s already destroyed?

08:10 Fischer If you read this Tokyo August 11, 2004 letter from the United States Embassy, signed by Edward J. McKeon—it’s so filled with idiocies. Listen to what he says. This is underlined: “It is not mandatory to notify him or her before revocation.” What does that mean? It’s a crazy statement.

08:48 Jökulsson But Mr. Fischer, what will be your status once you renounce your citizenship?

08:56 Fischer Well, I’ll be a stateless person.

09:00 Jökulsson You’ll be a refugee?

09:02 Fischer Yeah. I have to find a new country.

09:07 Jökulsson It’s been in the news that Montenegro has offered you citizenship. Have you heard of that offer?

09:16 Fischer No. I haven’t really followed it. I’m a little bit leery of Yugoslavia—I mean, this is Montenegro, part of Serbia and Montenegro now, right? I’m a little bit leery of them after how they betrayed Milošević. They turned him over to The Hague, which was absolutely filthy. So I don’t trust their government at all.

09:58 Jökulsson But are there other possibilities? For example, your father was German.

10:06 Fischer Well, I don’t want to go into that. The point is, I want to get the US and the Japanese governments off my back. If I sign this renunciation of my US citizenship, hopefully that will get them off my back and they’ll let me out of here.

10:45 Jökulsson But you are—especially by people in the chess world—very well considered in the United States. You are still an honorary citizen of Brooklyn. I was talking to chess people in New York last year and everybody remembered you and admired you.

11:12 Fischer The point is, when the US wants to extradite me for this alleged crime of playing chess in Yugoslavia—totally absurd—almost no country in the world other than the United States considers what I did to be a crime. So it’s hard to convince any country to extradite me. So what they did—they cooked up an alleged immigration violation here in Japan. Totally fake. My passport was perfect.

12:39 I’d even visited the US Embassy in Bern last October and November, and they gave me extra pages for the passport because it was all full of stamps. But they didn’t touch me there. They didn’t touch my passport there. Because I was in neutral Switzerland. They didn’t want to mess around with me in Switzerland. So they cooked up this thing in a country which is basically occupied by them—Japan—where they have the government under very strong pressure. You could even say under their thumb.

13:22 But they cooked up a totally fake immigration violation. Absolute lie. I did not violate the slightest visa or immigration law here in Japan. They used this to get me arrested illegally. They created this with a conspiracy with the Japanese government. And the plan was to send me back in a couple of days while the story was hot—“Fischer was caught, a fugitive trying to escape,” and all this nonsense. But when the Japanese did not play their role perfectly by sending me back right away, then all the facts started to emerge.

14:41 Fischer Can I give the website? http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. Fischer is spelled F-I-S-C-H-E-R. You should go there and click on the very first thing about how they want to railroad me to my death in America. There’s about a ten-page statement of facts that basically explains everything.

15:54 Jökulsson Mr. Fischer, you have heard about the letter your chess rival Boris Spassky wrote to the President of the United States?

16:03 Fischer I saw that stupid letter, yes.

16:06 Jökulsson Was it stupid?

16:09 Fischer Yes. Putting me down.

16:12 Jökulsson It was?

16:13 Fischer Well, I don’t say he didn’t mean well. I don’t know what his point was. But he’s talking about my personality, this or that. I didn’t feel it was a very complimentary letter at all. Also, I would never beg that son of a bitch Bush for anything. He’s a murderer. He should be imprisoned. I have never asked for charity, mercy, or a pardon from the US. These people are the criminals.

16:44 Jökulsson I hear your spirits are high, Mr. Fischer.

16:51 Fischer The stinking Jew-controlled USA wants to get me there by hook or by crook. And then they’re going to torture me and murder me—that is the long and short of all this. But I’m willing to give that stinking Jew-controlled country, those Shylocks there, their pound of flesh. I’m going to give them this US renunciation of my citizenship. Hopefully that will satisfy those bloodsuckers and they’ll call off the Japanese government, and I’ll get out of here.

17:46 Jökulsson But how about chess? Have you been thinking about chess?

17:52 Fischer No. I don’t think about chess. I think about Fischer Random chess.

18:19 I really would like to promote it. I think it’s much, much better than the old game. The old game is dead. It’s really played out.

19:06 Jökulsson Do you have any idea how long the renunciation of citizenship will take?

19:14 Fischer I think you just do it in a few minutes.

19:32 Jökulsson And do you think that will stop this case?

19:36 Fischer I hope so. I think it will. It’s so obvious that all the crimes the US has committed—this destruction of my passport, these immigration charges against me. I think even the US is feeling ashamed. Not ashamed because of what they’ve done, but ashamed because people know about it. Do you understand?

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[Brief continuation—about six minutes.]

00:00 Fischer They’re only ashamed when people find out. Same as over in that prison in Iraq. They’re not ashamed of the tortures—that’s policy. They’re doing that all over the world, in Guantánamo, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and in the United States too. But what upsets them is those photos. Getting caught in the act.

00:28 So they’re not upset about the crimes they committed against me here in Japan with my passport. They’re just upset about getting exposed.

00:37 Jökulsson Mr. Fischer, I would like to ask you a question. Would you consider the possibility of settling down in Iceland?

00:48 Fischer Well, I really like it there. But it’s a little bit cool. I don’t think I could take it all year round. But I really like it there. The only thing I don’t like about it is that goddamn US base. How many stinking Americans are there?

01:14 Jökulsson About 800 soldiers. One or two planes. That’s not much.

01:19 Fischer One or two airplanes? That’s not too much. But 800 soldiers in a country of—how many people are in your country?

01:36 Jökulsson 290,000.

01:38 Fischer How many people are in your army? Do you have your own army?

01:43 Jökulsson We just have the Salvation Army.

01:45 Fischer The Salvation Army! So you’re pretty defenceless against those 800 well-armed Americans, who could easily have thousands of reinforcements flown in within a few hours.

02:06 Host You’ll never see them. You don’t see them.

02:08 Fischer Why don’t you get those bastards out of your country? If you remove them from your country, I think I would really like it there.

02:13 Host You would come if they left?

02:16 Fischer I think I would, yes. If you get them all out—all of them—and close the base. And it would be even better if you also close the US Embassy. What is the embassy? It’s just a CIA spy nest. That’s all the US Embassy is in your country. That’s all it is anywhere in the world.

02:36 Jökulsson We wouldn’t do that, I guess. But are there any other countries you’ve been considering?

02:42 Fischer I’ve been trying a few here and there. I don’t want to go into all of it. I think Switzerland would be a good country. But so far, I haven’t gotten anything positive. I think Switzerland is maybe the most free country in Continental Europe.

03:02 Jökulsson But your legal advisers in Japan—what do they say about your prospects?

03:10 Fischer Well, I just saw my lawyer this afternoon. But this was before I got this letter from the US Embassy—just a couple of hours ago, about 4 o’clock my time, about three and a half hours ago. So I didn’t even talk it over with my lawyer yet. But I think it’s a good sign. I give them their pound of flesh—give up my US citizenship. Hopefully, that will satisfy the Satanists, the Jewish criminals who control the United States.

03:49 Jökulsson And they will let you free. Okay, Mr. Fischer. It’s been nice talking to you.

03:55 Fischer Okay.

03:56 Jökulsson I hope you will have a bright future. I hope everything will go well. I can tell you that the mind of the Icelandic nation is with you. We think about you all the time.

04:10 Fischer I always have good memories of Iceland. You have a beautiful country, very beautiful women, and very nice Icelandic ponies. How is the pollution problem? Is it still very clean, like before?

04:28 Jökulsson Oh, yes.

04:30 Fischer God. I read about Alcoa—they want to open some big aluminum factory there?

04:40 Host Yes, they are. They are big.

04:44 Fischer The last thing a beautiful country like Iceland needs is more pollution from aluminum. I still remember that old factory you had back in ’72. Even then it was giving off a lot of pollution. But from what I’ve read, this new thing they want to build is much, much bigger, right?

05:04 Host It’s bigger, but cleaner.

05:06 Fischer Don’t believe what they say. That’s an American company. Don’t trust them. Don’t let those criminals in your country. The people should rise up against it. That’s the last thing you need—pollution from aluminum. That’s a very poisonous metal.

05:30 Jökulsson Thank you very much, Mr. Fischer.

05:33 Fischer Okay. Thank you for the opportunity to get a little bit of truth out there. I’d like to get a recording of this, okay?

05:42 Host You will. We’ll send it to you.

05:44 Fischer Okay. Thank you. I’ll give Sæmi a call now, okay?

05:49 Host Thank you, Bobby. Bye bye.

24 Manila, Philippines, August 20, 2004 ↑

[On the same day as the Icelandic broadcast (Chapter 23), Fischer also calls into DZRH Radio, Manila—the Manila Broadcasting Company. This is a different station from DZSR Sports Radio. The host is “Chadeli” (a veteran DZRH broadcaster, KBP Lifetime Achievement Awardee). GM Eugene Torre and Antero “Boy” Pobre (chairman of the Philippine Chess Aficionados and Masters Association, PECAMA) are in the studio. Dr. Jenny P. Mayor of the National Chess Federation of the Philippines arranged the interview. Fischer calls from the East Japan Immigration Centre.]

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[Programme opens with the DZRH/Manila Broadcasting Company jingle (“Member Kapisanan ng mga Brodkaster ng Pilipinas”) and announcer introducing the host: “With due honour, we proudly present to you, presented by the Manila Broadcasting Company, the KBP Lifetime Achievement Awardee for her 64th year as a broadcaster, Tia Dely Magpayo.” At 00:55 Chadeli (Tia Dely) greets listeners in mixed Tagalog and English, then introduces GM Eugene Torre (“the best in Asia and also internationally known”), Boy Pobre, and the National Chess Federation of the Philippines Regional Coordinator Dr. Jenny Mayor. The line to Japan is established.]

04:50 Chadeli Good evening, Mr. Fischer.

04:58 Torre Can you speak up a little bit, Bobby?

05:03 Fischer Can you hear me now? How are you, Bobby?

05:18 Fischer Yeah. I’m fine. I think I got some good news today. The filthy Jew-controlled US says they’re willing to come over here to the detention centre where I’m locked up, and I can renounce my US citizenship.

05:38 Chadeli I see. You have renounced your citizenship?

05:42 Fischer Well, I renounced it in a letter to the US Embassy, but they say that’s not the official way. They have to come personally—you have to take the oath in front of them. Up until now, they’ve been refusing to come out here to the lockup. But now I just got a letter from them this afternoon, a few hours ago, and they say they’re willing to come out now.

06:06 So I think that’s good news. Hopefully, the dirty Jews who run the filthy United States—this will be their pound of flesh, like in Shylock, the Merchant of Venice. They wanted to get paid with a pound of flesh.

06:38 Chadeli You know, Bobby, in age, you are just like my son.

06:42 Fischer Oh, thank you.

06:43 Chadeli And you say that’s good news for you, but to us, it’s sad news. Because in 1972, you became a hero in the United States when you beat Boris Spassky. And then twenty years later, in 1992, this is what you get?

07:02 Fischer That’s right. Well, that’s the United States. It’s controlled by Jews. Jews are ingrates. They were always ingrates.

07:10 Torre Bobby, before we proceed—Boy Pobre, the chairman of the Philippine Chess Aficionados and Masters Association, is beside me.

07:25 Pobre Hi, Bobby. Good evening here in the Philippines—I don’t know what time it is now in Japan.

07:30 Fischer In Japan, it’s twenty to nine in the evening.

07:34 Pobre One hour later. Good evening also to the people of Japan listening, and also here in the Philippines.

07:43 Fischer And to all my inmates on my cell block here. (laughs)

07:46 Pobre Thank you for the opportunity you have accorded me. This, I think, is the third time that we will be talking to one another. I’m glad that finally the United States has accepted you to renounce and denounce your citizenship. And I hope you will choose the Philippines as one of your promised lands to go, if and when it’s possible.

08:26 But for your information, Bobby—could you talk a little louder? For your information, Bobby—two days ago, Tuesday, here in the Philippines, we held a thirty-car caravan bearing placards: “Free Bobby Fischer.” And at the same time, we sent a letter addressed to the governments of the United States and Japan, to their embassies here in Manila.

09:05 Fischer Was it a nasty letter?

09:07 Pobre Yeah, nasty letter.

09:16 Fischer Excuse me—I want to change phones. There’s a better phone available here, more private, okay? I’ll call you back in about one minute, okay?

09:22 Chadeli Okay.

[Commercial: “More, More” (More cigarettes jingle). Chadeli and Torre fill the gap in mixed Tagalog and English.]

09:33 Chadeli What you’re saying, Eugene—Bobby Fischer from Japan, who is imprisoned, is making a phone call?

09:39 Torre Yes, he is making a phone call from his detention centre.

09:48 Chadeli Good that he was allowed.

09:48 Torre Whereas before he was more restricted there in the Narita jailhouse, when he was transferred to his detention centre now, it’s good that he’s being permitted to call.

10:00 Chadeli How did you become close to Bobby Fischer?

10:04 Torre As early as actually ’67, he was already here, but he was my idol. I wasn’t qualified to fight against him—I was just watching him back then. But in ’73, we were introduced to one another when he was the guest of President Marcos. In ’76 he was again the guest of President Marcos, and I was the one who looked after him. So there, we became closer. But we became even more close in ’86 when he was a guest of a family here, and then we met again. But we became closest in 1992 when he made me his official second in the world championship—the revenge match against Boris Spassky in Yugoslavia. That was when his problems with the USA government started.

10:54 Chadeli Because Yugoslavia was sanctioned by the UN.

10:55 Torre Correct. And what was sad there was that not all of them received a warning or were threatened that they’d be arrested for violating the UN sanctions—only Bobby.

11:12 Chadeli What’s confusing there, Eugene—fortunately now there is an Olympics. Shouldn’t sports be apolitical?

11:20 Torre That’s what Chairman Boy Pobre is saying: sports should be apolitical, sports should not be involved in politics, because sports is one way that camaraderie develops, and understanding one another, different people all over the world. So well, that’s how it should be.

11:49 Chadeli Yes. In 1972, according to your story, the US government lost support in the fight against Bobby Fischer. He won—he defeated the Russians.

12:12 Fischer Hi.

12:13 Torre Are you there?

12:13 Fischer Yeah, I’m here.

12:14 Torre Okay, he’s changing phones.

12:18 Chadeli Hello, Bobby.

12:20 Torre Okay, so I think it was Boy Pobre who was speaking when you transferred. Okay, here is Boy Pobre.

12:29 Pobre Yeah. As I told you, Bobby, two days ago, Tuesday, here in the Philippines—I think Tuesday also in Japan—we had a 30-car caravan, all the cars bearing the placards “Free Bobby Fischer.” We prepared a letter and submitted it to the governments of the United States and Japan. But unfortunately, the embassies of both governments here refused to accept the letter.

13:09 In fact, while we were reaching the US Embassy, we were harassed by the guards and some of the military men there—maybe because of this, they thought we were one of those terrorist people going to attack the embassy. But nevertheless, through the programme of Chadeli on DZRH—more or less, this is the contents of the letter we have sent. Allow me to read for the information of the listening public in Japan or throughout the world, if necessary, including the Philippines:

13:49 “Please release Fischer from his 32nd day of detention today, and allow him to seek asylum in a country of his preference, like the Philippines. His continued detention and possible repatriation to the United States would be very much violative of his basic human rights, as he has not committed any crime. He was just asserting his inherent rights when he played a match against Boris Spassky in 1992 in then-US-sanctioned Yugoslavia.

14:26 “Bobby Fischer is the world’s greatest chess player of all time. He is an international treasure that no nation can own him alone, much more use him as a pawn in an international political arena, as sports is apolitical.

14:48 Millions of chess players, enthusiasts and aficionados throughout the world—including but not the least the International Commission on Human Rights—would highly and greatly appreciate the favourable considerations of both governments involved.”

15:18 So we are also pushing, urging our own government… and we’re hoping, if you want to come to the Philippines as one of your adopted countries, you are most welcome here.

15:45 Fischer Just to give you an idea of how filthy the US is—when I was back in Hungary in the late ’90s, there was an article in the paper. The US government made an announcement to all American citizens in Budapest: you cannot go to a certain hotel in Budapest to eat or to spend any money, because this hotel is owned by the Libyan government. If you go there, we’re going to prosecute you in the United States.

17:02 Chadeli There’s a text message here from General Santos City in Mindanao. They’re asking: what is it that you have done that you are in your situation now?

17:21 Fischer Well, I have beaten the Jews in chess, and I have beaten them very, very badly. And the Jews can’t take it. They want to be considered the best in chess. They want to be considered the smartest people in the world. And they can’t take the way I’ve beaten them in chess.

17:43 Torre The one who is asking you is somebody from General Santos City, somewhere in Mindanao—his name is Mike Delfin.

17:51 By the way, Bobby—the one who connected us, who made this interview possible also with Chadeli, is Dr. Jenny Mayor. I’d like to introduce Doc Mayor.

18:04 Dr. Mayor Good evening, Bobby.

18:05 Fischer Hi, Doc Mayor. How are you?

18:08 Dr. Mayor We’re very fine here, and I’m very sad that you have been arrested in Japan.

18:15 Fischer Yeah. Illegally arrested.

18:16 Dr. Mayor You should be an international treasure, according to Mr. Pobre and all of us. Because if not for your genius, we in the Philippines—like Eugene Torre—we would not be able to become a chess-loving country, because it is you that we idolise.

19:05 Fischer Well, I don’t really like to dwell on the past. I’m interested in Fischer Random now. I’ve got a lot of good ideas. I’m working on a new clock. I’m trying to make chess a more exciting game today. I’m not interested in sitting in my rocking chair thinking about what I did ten, twenty, thirty years ago.

19:31 Chadeli How was your chess clock coming along?

19:35 Fischer Well, it was moving along quite well. I thought it was finally getting near completion when I got this illegal arrest, this illegal brutalisation by the Japanese police. That may be one of the contributing reasons for all of this. Whenever I’m about to complete some kind of project—

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[Continuation. Discussion of the passport law, Spassky’s letter to Bush, Kosteniuk, the Bekins robbery details, and Barbra Streisand.]

00:00 Fischer —like I was working on the book about the first prearranged match between Karpov and Kasparov, the ’84–’85 match. They robbed all my files at Bekins, and a ton of other stuff. And now I’m about to finish my clock in Japan. Suddenly, the police—this crime against me—destroyed my passport.

00:32 The Jews don’t want me to succeed in any of my projects. They want me to be a failure. They’re extremely malicious, extremely jealous. They’re really sickos and wackos—the worst sickos in the world. They sexually mutilate their eight-day-old male babies.

00:55 Chadeli Bobby, I think we should talk about the more pleasant things in your life.

01:05 Fischer Well, according to the Jews, this is a pleasant thing. They think it’s a good thing.

01:08 Chadeli No, no, no—we would like to listen to more pleasant things in your life, like when you started…

01:16 Fischer Well, you see, I talk a lot about the sexual mutilation because I want people to have pleasant lives—with a complete penis, you know. That’s why I talk about it, not to be unpleasant. I’m trying to stop this crime, you see.

01:33 Torre Sir Bobby, I’m just curious also—can I go to this section about the August 11 letter, 2004? Because the US government seems to have admitted already that they have revoked your passport, but that they were unable to properly advise you of the revocation.

02:07 Fischer Yeah. Could we at this moment tell the listeners where they can download all of this stuff? Can I just read this website, please? This is the only really reliable Bobby Fischer website in the world that you can trust, okay? It’s http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/, and Fischer is spelled F-I-S-C-H-E-R. I’d just like to repeat that quickly, okay. http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. And then you click on there, and the very first thing you click onto, you’ll get this about how I was kidnapped in the airport, and then you’ll get the statement of facts and all these other documents.

03:17 Chadeli Do you have a cell phone, Bobby?

03:20 Fischer A cell phone? You mean here in Japan? Yeah, but I don’t have it with me.

03:26 Chadeli Oh, you don’t know the number?

03:28 Fischer I really don’t know it offhand. No, I don’t, to tell you the truth. Why?

03:35 Chadeli We want to know your cell phone number so that we can call you.

03:39 Fischer Oh, but anyway, you couldn’t call me here in the prison. I don’t have it here in the prison.

03:45 Torre Okay. So—I just want to repeat. The “home” should be H-O-M-E, right?

03:51 Fischer Right, right. Yeah, why don’t you read it one more? I hate to keep like hawking this address, but it’s so important. Why don’t you read it yourself, Eugene?

03:57 Torre Okay. http://—slash slash, H-O-M-E dot A-T-T dot N-E dot J-P slash M-O-O-N slash F-I-S-C-H-E-R slash. Right? Okay. So I read it letter by letter, because when you read it, some of them you read in words. Okay, so now going back to this, Bobby—to this August 11 letter from the Embassy of USA. So it seems here that they admitted that they have not properly advised you of the revocation.

04:50 Fischer Here’s what they say at the very end of the letter: “Mr. Fischer’s passport was properly revoked on November 21, 2003, prior to his April 15 entry into Japan. However, we were unable to properly advise him of the revocation until he was located in Japan on July 14, 2004.” So if you read the regulations, they must advise me of it before they can do anything. And then I have a right to appeal.

05:27 Torre But they’re writing here that “it is not mandatory to notify him before revocation”?

05:33 Fischer Yes. They’re just saying a pack of lies. It’s all totally contradicted by the law. The law is attached to the letter from Theodore Allegra, December 11, 2003.

05:53 Torre And also—the law says at 51.76, “Surrender of Passport”: “The bearer of a passport which is revoked shall surrender it to the Department or its authorised representative upon demand, and upon his or her refusal to do so, such passport may be invalidated by notifying the bearer in writing of the invalidation.”

06:34 Fischer Right. That’s like hitting you with a wet noodle. Nothing in there about destroying the passport. If you refuse, all they can do is write you a letter.

07:24 Fischer Let me read this again. 51.76: “The bearer of a passport which is revoked shall surrender it to the Department or its authorised representative upon demand, and upon his or her refusal to do so, such passport may be invalidated by notifying the bearer in writing of the invalidation.” They can’t even touch the passport, let alone destroy it. According to their own laws, according to their own regulations.

07:59 Chadeli Hello, Bobby?

08:00 Fischer Yeah.

08:06 Chadeli Bobby’s very angry, no?

08:08 Fischer Yeah, I’m very angry. This is totally illegal, what they’ve done.

08:12 Chadeli I wish you wouldn’t be so angry. Anyway, you said earlier that you have good news tonight.

08:20 Fischer Yeah, I have good news, because they say they’re going to come out here, and I’m going to renounce my citizenship. And I hope that this is like, you know, they get their pound of flesh that way.

08:33 Chadeli No, Bobby—and then Eugene showed me a letter from a lady in the United States, pleading for you. Would you like to listen to the letter?

08:45 Fischer Okay. Yeah. But anyway, I’ll tell you the truth—I don’t like to see people pleading with the filthy USA. People have to condemn the USA, condemn the USA.

09:07 Chadeli Well, if you want to listen to DZRH through the internet, our letters are www.eradioportal.com, because we are on the internet also. So I’ll tell it, and then we can try and download it here in Japan, the interview. Okay, I repeat: www.eradioportal.com.

09:45 Fischer Yeah. And that’ll—I guess that interview will stay there on the website, right?

09:50 Chadeli Yes, I suppose. Great.

09:55 Pobre Bobby, it’s Boy again, you know.

09:57 Fischer Hi, hi. How are you, Boy?

09:59 Pobre What happens now to your priceless memorabilia? The books, etcetera, the royalties.

10:11 Fischer They’ve stolen everything. Stolen all my stuff in storage. A big room full of stuff—a big room full of my belongings up to the ceiling. Hundreds of boxes, safes, file cabinets, statues—just everything. All my chess sets, all my correspondence, all my personal correspondence, all my chess game scores, handwritten notebooks, clothing, gold coins, silver coins, cash—just everything you can think of. Thirty years of saving my things, they just stole it all.

10:52 Pobre Are you not contemplating to file charges against these people, or against this government, for what they have done to you so far?

11:01 Fischer You know, Boy Pobre? Is this Boy Pobre here? Yes? I was involved in any number of lawsuits in America years ago. Yeah—I never got a penny, I never got a stop order, I never got anything. It’s completely corrupt in America.

11:23 Chadeli Bobby, how about the letter of Boris Spassky on your behalf?

11:28 Fischer I saw it. I didn’t like it. I didn’t like the tone. He was trying to make me sound like a weirdo. And he was begging, asking Bush for mercy.

11:44 Chadeli No, he said that if you had done something wrong, then he should also be punished.

11:54 Fischer Yeah. I don’t want him in my cell. I want a chick in my cell. How about that young Russian chick? What’s her name? Kosteniuk?

12:08 Torre Kosteniuk. Yes. But Spassky is now French, isn’t he?

12:22 Fischer Yes. He’s French.

12:34 Torre But Bobby would be more happy if it were Kosteniuk in his cell. She’s a beautiful woman grandmaster from Russia.

12:48 Fischer She wants to be the Anna Kournikova of chess, I think. She’s more beautiful than Kournikova. She’s a model.

13:04 All right—this Spassky, he is a very good frenemy of mine.

13:15 Chadeli Very good what?

13:16 Fischer Frenemy. Friend and enemy. (laughs) You know what a frenemy is? Friend and enemy.

13:25 Chadeli So you’re coining that term?

13:26 Fischer It’s not mine. A Jew used to say it. I used to listen to him on the radio—Roy Masters. I assume he stole it from somebody else too.

13:37 Chadeli Do you want to seek asylum in a third country?

13:48 Fischer Yes. A friendly country.

13:52 Chadeli What country in particular?

13:56 Fischer Well, Switzerland is a good country. But the problem is, it’s very hard to get a passport there. You have to wait like ten years. Unless you’re a super-rich Jew like that Marc Rich—then you can get it just by snapping your fingers.

14:15 Torre Philippines? Why not our country?

14:18 Fischer I’m most interested, yes. The only problem with the Philippines is your passport is hard to travel on.

14:47 Pobre We furnished a copy of our letter to both houses of our Congress, asking them to pass a resolution that if and when you want asylum in the Philippines, the government should accept you.

15:07 Fischer That would be very nice. But I feel a little bad going there. In the meanwhile, Mr. Estrada has been in jail all these years.

15:24 Torre Our current President is Gloria Macapagal Arroyo.

15:38 Fischer Well, maybe—assuming the election was honest.

16:03 Fischer Yeah.

16:04 Torre You have not seen your mama and your sis. Despite all that, you were very protective of your privacy. You did not even want to be interviewed—nothing. You did not want to be televised. You did not want a radio interview. Nothing.

16:21 Torre But only when they got these memorabilia of yours, Bobby—that’s when you really blew your top, what broke the camel’s back, as they say.

16:29 Fischer They just stole a room full of my belongings. Worth a fortune. When I say a fortune, I mean hundreds of millions of dollars.

16:55 They’ve got everything. They’ve got photos. They’ve got the hand-carved telephone chess set that I played in Cuba, with all the signatures of all the players on it. They’ve got my chess set that was on the cover of Life magazine. They’ve got private photos I took of President Marcos. They’ve got telegrams and letters from world leaders. They’ve got thousands of my chess books. They’ve got all my private correspondence, all my fan mail, all my legal files, my gold coins, my silver coins, my clothing. It’s an endless list.

18:17 Torre And in the scuffle when they were trying to arrest you, you lost even some of your teeth?

18:20 Fischer I said some of my teeth were chipped. And maybe worse. I don’t know. I haven’t even looked in the mirror. I’m like Muhammad Ali—I ain’t so handsome no more.

18:49 Chadeli Something pleasant to talk about, Bobby?

18:50 Fischer Something pleasant? Yes. Let’s talk about the destruction of the USA.

18:58 Chadeli Bobby, when you were in high school, is it true that one of your classmates was Barbra Streisand?

19:00 Fischer I’ve heard this. I remember some mousy-looking girl. Maybe it was her, I don’t know.

19:10 Chadeli But you were best friends, according to reports.

19:13 Fischer I don’t believe that at all. No.

19:23 Chadeli They say that when you’re playing chess, you can foresee what your opponent will do twenty moves ahead. Is that true?

19:34 Fischer Well, that’s the idea of chess. You have to see ahead. They asked Capablanca how far ahead he could see. He said he could see one move ahead—the best move.

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[Final segment. Fischer and Torre reminisce about their meetings in the Philippines. Fischer discusses his prospects, his love of the Philippines, and Japanese nuclear power.]

00:04 Fischer I met Eugene, I think, the first time was in 1973 when I came as the guest of President Marcos to a chess tournament he had.

00:22 Torre But actually, you came before—in ’67.

00:27 Fischer Did we meet?

00:28 Torre No. But I was watching you. You were my idol.

00:33 Fischer You saw me play there, yes. And then in ’73, of course, we were introduced, but you said I look like a hippie or rock band—the high heels and the long hair of that era.

00:54 Torre I did not look like a serious player.

01:04 Fischer And I just want to say something about that Meralco tournament in ’67. The goddamn Jews are lying about that too. They’re saying I came there for some tournament, but the other players didn’t show up, so the tournament was cancelled, and then they put up this exhibition event. That’s a big lie. It was arranged that way in advance by Campomanes, just the way it was. There was never meant to be any tournament.

01:47 Torre So Bobby, what do you foresee in the future now?

01:55 Fischer Well, as I said, I think this is a good sign—this letter from the US Embassy in Tokyo, that they want to cooperate with me officially renouncing my citizenship out here at the prison. Hopefully, this will be the Jews’ pound of flesh. And then this will satisfy the US, and then the Japanese will be told to let me out of this jail. And then I can try to rebuild my career, rebuild my legal status, get papers, a passport from some other country.

02:46 Torre It’s a good thing the Japanese are now slowly getting keen on the laws, no?

02:57 Fischer Yes. I really think the US was hoping to ship me back like a couple of days after the arrest, during the hullabaloo—“Fischer was caught, a fugitive trying to escape, illegal passport.” Totally fake. But when the Japanese did not send me back right away, then all the facts started to emerge—how illegal my arrest was, how they brutalised me.

03:42 But fortunately, I think there were some honest heads here, honest people here who would not play ball with the US.

04:13 So hopefully—after, as I say, after if the US doesn’t back out of this, coming down here to let me renounce my citizenship officially, coming down here to this Ushiku Detention Centre—if they don’t back out, then I intend to go through with this and to renounce my citizenship. I hope that will satisfy the US and the Japanese and they’ll let me go.

04:35 You know, actually, I shouldn’t be in here. The people who should be in jail are the Japanese immigration authorities who illegally cancelled my entry and exit visas to Japan, and the United States who illegally destroyed my passport. They’re the ones who should be in jail. I’m the victim. I’m the victim of crimes, and I’m here in jail, whereas the people who’ve committed the crimes are outside. It’s quite crazy.

05:00 But nonetheless, I hope that this renunciation gives the filthy US, controlled by the Jews, their pound of flesh—just like Shylock, right, in The Merchant of Venice. And then they will let me go. I mean go—not back to the States—let me go out of prison here.

05:21 Torre Bobby, the way you sound, it seems that—I mean, I’m happy that it seems you still have kept your sanity intact, with all these experiences you have gone through. Your sense of humour—and you still have, you know, a sense of humour. Very important.

05:42 Chadeli Bobby, we have run out of time.

05:44 Fischer Why have we run out of time? I thought this was going to be one hour.

05:48 Pobre Can I have one small question? Bobby, what are your plans once you get out of this mess? Are you going to play chess with the so-called superstars or super-super grandmasters?

06:06 Fischer I don’t play chess anymore, Boy Pobre. I play Fischer Random. It’s a much better game. It’s a challenge. Chess is a dead game—it’s played out.

06:19 Chadeli Hello, Bobby. What is Fischer Random?

06:23 Fischer Fischer Random is a version of chess that I developed or invented—you could say where you shuffle the back row of the pieces, not the pawns. The pawns stay the same on the second rank, of each player. You shuffle the back row of the pieces and each side has the identical shuffle, so everything is symmetrical, just like in the old chess. And there are just a couple of rules. One rook has to be to the left of the king. One rook has to be to the right of the king. One bishop has to be on a light-coloured square and one on a dark-coloured square—for each side. You understand?

07:06 When you castle, we don’t say you’re castling king-side or queen-side. We use algebraic notation—you’re castling A-side or H-side. A-side is like long castling. H-side is like short castling. And it doesn’t matter where the king and rook start out. After you castle, you castle into the standard castling position. Very simple. You can learn the rules in about two minutes. Right, Eugene?

07:36 Torre Yes. And, Chadeli, I was with Bobby during the last part of this invention. We were in Hungary. So I’m very proud of Fischer Random.

08:02 Chadeli If you would have the chance, would you want to go back to the United States?

08:14 Fischer No. Not really. Not at all. You ever hear of Audie Murphy, the most decorated soldier in World War Two? He always said about LA: “It’s the most boring city in the world.” And it’s not just LA. The whole goddamn country is boring. That’s the worst of it for me in America—not just the corruption, the steroids in the meat, the pollution, and all those Jews. It’s a goddamn boring country. It’s an empty country. There’s no culture. It has no flavour, no taste.

09:12 Chadeli What is your opinion about the Philippines?

09:20 Fischer The Philippines is just the opposite. It’s full of life. The only problem is you have a real serious crime situation.

09:50 Would I want to live in the Philippines? Yes. I really would. I’m just kind of afraid, to tell you the truth. You’ve got to get the crime under control, and you’ve got to have more justice there, more fairness, less corruption.

10:15 Torre But it’s so free here in the Philippines.

10:17 Fischer It’s a wonderful country. I love the weather, the food, the people, the humour, the columnists in the newspapers, the women—everything. The people smile at you. Real smiles. They’re not plastic.

10:59 And also, another big plus for the Philippines is you don’t have any nuclear power plants. It’s one of the few modern countries where you have modern conveniences but no nuclear power plants. That’s a very big plus for me.

11:22 Japan is a great country, but they’ve got sixty nuclear power plants. Japan is an accident waiting to happen. They just had a nuclear accident the other day. They say no radiation was released, but I think four people died. And who knows whether it’s true that no radiation was released. But even if no radiation was released, it’s going to happen. There’s going to be accidents here. Plus, Japan is making a terrible mistake getting involved in the Iraq war.

11:43 And all of Japan’s nuclear power plants are being cooled by ocean water. They put them all by the ocean so that the tremendous heat that is generated will be cooled by ocean water, right. And the waste, I guess—the hot water will go into the ocean, right. And they’re just a sitting duck for somebody to hit them with a missile.

12:14 Plus one more thing—these nuclear, this is a big earthquake country. You might have a huge earthquake—could just smash a nuclear power plant with the earthquake and release the radioactivity.

12:28 Chadeli Okay, Bobby, somebody’s asking—you said that you are imprisoned in Japan, and yet how can you talk to us here in the Philippines with so much freedom?

12:43 Fischer Well, that is the one good thing here—they let you talk on the phone, they let you out of the cell. Yeah, but you are in a prison. There’s a camera watching me right now. There are microphones all over the place. It’s really 1984. But other than the cameras and the microphones, it’s actually very, very nice here.

13:04 Torre Bobby, we have to say goodbye now.

13:13 Fischer You’re cutting me off ten minutes short. You said one hour, Eugene.

13:17 Torre Yes. But we haven’t played any commercials yet, and this programme has commercials.

13:26 Torre Bobby—this year, the Philippines backed out from Iraq, with Angelo de la Cruz.

13:36 Fischer It’s a very wise decision. I’m very proud of Mrs. Arroyo for doing that.

13:42 Torre You congratulate our President?

13:46 Fischer Yes. Well, I don’t really consider her the President, still. But she did a very fine thing by doing that.

14:01 Chadeli Should you get out of prison and come here to the Philippines, I would want you and Eugene here in our studios.

14:12 Fischer Thank you. I’ll make a point. I will go there, okay? But I don’t want any journalists around, photographers, okay? We’ll come in and talk on the radio, but I don’t want it to be a circus.

14:30 Okay. Thank you, Chadeli, for letting me on. When I go to the Philippines, I’m going to listen to your station. DZRH. What kind of a station? Music, talk?

14:48 Chadeli This is a public service station.

14:51 Fischer Anyway, I love to listen to the radio in the Philippines. I love AM more than FM. In the Metro Manila area, you have about thirty different stations. Do you know how many AM stations they have in Tokyo? This highly advanced, modern country that makes the best radios in the world?

15:35 Torre Seven?

15:38 Fischer Seven. Including the American station called Eagle 810, which I call “Rat 810.” Six Japanese stations and one in English. You people are alive. Here in Japan, the radio is absolutely dead. It’s so tightly controlled. It is so boring. It’s sick.

16:30 Torre Okay, Bobby. We have to say goodbye.

16:37 Fischer Okay. Thank you, Tia Dely. Bye, Eugene, and bye, Boy Pobre. Who else is there? Doc Mayor. Okay, very nice talking to you. Hopefully, I’ll be out of this stinking hole here soon.

16:46 Torre Sayonara. And what do you say—how do you say it?

16:52 Fischer No, it’s good evening. How do you say?

16:53 All Mabuhay!

[Chadeli closes the programme in Tagalog, then invites her studio guests to give their parting words to listeners. Dr. Jenny P. Mayor of the National Chess Federation of the Philippines thanks Tia Dely and DZRH, calls on all Filipino chess players and aficionados to support “the greatest chess player in the whole world, in history, Grandmaster Bobby Fischer.” Mr. “Boy” Pobre (“Pobre but not poor”), chairman of the Philippine Chess Aficionados and Masters Association, also thanks Tia Dely. A listener asks (in Tagalog) what Fischer actually did wrong; Eugene Torre answers that Fischer just played chess in Yugoslavia—all the other people involved did the same without consequences, and Fischer alone was singled out, despite all the honour he had brought to America. Chadeli then announces the programme is sponsored by Hope cigarettes and More cigarettes, and bids farewell on behalf of herself, Sonia Beltran, Bong Muyar, and Albert Cabico. Music plays out the segment.]

25 Baguio, Philippines, August 24, 2004 ↑

[Fischer calls Bombo Radio, Baguio, from the East Japan Immigration Centre—just four days after the Manila DZRH and Reykjavík broadcasts (Chapters 23 and 24). This is the most legally urgent call in the series: Fischer has just been told that his refugee status application has been refused, his deportation appeal has been refused, and that they intend to deport him to the US tonight. His lawyer has obtained a last-minute stop order. Pablo Mercado hosts; Melchor is co-anchor. Fischer reads the full text of the June 8, 2004 US Embassy letter to Japanese immigration that triggered his arrest.]

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00:15 Mercado Tonight is August 24. We have the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer, on the line right now. We’ll get the latest on his case. Bobby, good evening.

00:33 Fischer How are you doing, Pablo? I think about 4:30 or 5:00, they called me down to see the immigration people, the inspectors, and they told me that my application for refugee status was refused. And then they also said that my appeal against the deportation order was also refused. They said they’re going to deport me tonight.

01:17 Mercado Are you sure they’re going to deport you tonight?

01:20 Fischer They told me they were going to deport me tonight. I said, “What time?” They said they didn’t know. So then I called up my lawyer and my friends here, and I think they got a stop order.

01:32 Mercado So there is a stop order. Can you confirm that?

01:35 Fischer Yes. I can confirm that. I didn’t actually talk to my lawyer, but I talked to the people who talked to my lawyer, yes.

01:43 Mercado And how long will that last?

01:46 Fischer I don’t know. Every day—the law here is such phony baloney. The law is the US Embassy.

02:04 I just wanted people to know. I’m still here in Japan, and my lawyer and my people are still fighting. But they really gave me a scare. They told me they’re going to send me back to the filthy USA tonight. I’m just lucky I was able to reach my lawyer. He got a stop order about an hour ago.

02:27 Mercado You’re not restricted in any way in getting in touch with your lawyer?

02:31 Fischer No. It’s easy to phone here. I have to say that, yes.

02:38 Mercado When I talked last with Grandmaster Eugene Torre, he said they’re doing everything to help you out. In fact, he suggested to the First Gentleman of the Philippines that it might be possible for the Philippine government to grant you asylum. How would you react to that?

03:01 Fischer I would appreciate it. Really, I would. Because as of now, I don’t have asylum anywhere. I think the various countries are under pressure from the goddamn US not to give me asylum.

03:21 Mercado The US did not even say anything about your renouncing your US citizenship?

03:28 Fischer Well, they said they were going to send a man over to do it, but they never came over.

03:36 Mercado So there’s no word from them yet?

03:39 Fischer They sent me a letter and all these various forms. They said they were going to send someone, but they never did.

03:47 Mercado Eugene told me that Boris Spassky has been asking President Bush to give you amnesty. What’s your reaction?

04:07 Fischer Well, I have a copy of the letter. It’s not a very nice letter. He says I’m absolutely not social, not a normal person. And he’s asking Bush for some kind of mercy. I appreciate Boris’s sentiment, but I don’t agree with what he says about me. And asking Bush for mercy—he’s the wrong guy to ask for mercy.

04:47 I have never encouraged anybody to ask the US government for a pardon or clemency or mercy. Bush is the one who needs people’s mercy. He’s the war criminal. He’s a murderer. I’ve done absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing.

05:24 Mercado What if Spassky is able to convince Bush to give you clemency?

05:28 Fischer That’s up to Bush. But I’m not begging that son of a bitch Bush for anything. He’s a criminal. A gangster. Look at the way they’re torturing people in prisons all over the world.

05:39 When he was Governor of Texas, I don’t know how many dozens or hundreds of people were sent to this horrible death of lethal injection. They put people to sleep like dogs in America. And of all the people who came before him for an appeal, I think maybe he gave just one. Maybe. He’s very, very heartless and cruel.

06:13 And remember when Clinton had all those pardons at the end of his term? He pardoned Marc Rich, that filthy rich Jew. I never asked Clinton for a pardon, and I never asked anybody else to ask him for a pardon. Because I have done nothing wrong. I’m not going to beg these criminals for anything. They are guilty. I have done nothing wrong.

07:02 I didn’t break any immigration code here in Japan. My passport was perfectly valid. They broke the law. And if you go to the internet, the US government has practically admitted they’ve broken the law.

07:07 Do you remember that Allegra letter I was talking about in the statement of facts? What was the statement of facts talking about 90% of the time? The Allegra letter—that I never received it. They have admitted themselves that I never received it until July 14—after my passport was already destroyed. So I was never given a chance to appeal.

07:50 They’re not allowed to do a goddamn thing until they notify the person who is adversely affected and give him 60 days to appeal. But they absolutely did not do that. It’s all on the internet. There’s a letter of August 11, 2004—which was very hard to get; we only got it by going to court—from the US Embassy. At the very end, it says: “However, we were unable to properly advise him of the revocation until he was located in Japan on July 14, 2004.”

08:46 I would like everybody to go to the website: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/.

09:17 So you go there, and then you download all of these letters. What you have to download is this June 8, 2004 letter from the US Embassy signed by Edward J. McKeon. Then there’s an August 11, 2004 letter from the US Embassy in Tokyo, signed by Edward J. McKeon. Then you also download the December 11, 2003 letter from the Embassy of the United States in Manila, Philippines—and that also has six pages of law (three pages you download, each page has two pages from the original copy).

10:03 Then you can also download my genuine passport—and you can also download the destroyed passport, after the US Embassy punched holes through it and stamped “Cancelled” at least one time on every page of the passport.

10:19 And it’s all so obvious—the whole thing is so utterly illegal. They notified the immigration authorities to arrest me without giving me my 60 days to appeal the revocation of my passport. And now it has come out: they never notified me of the revocation of my passport until July 14, 2004, after I was already arrested and after they had already destroyed my passport. How do you appeal a destroyed passport? You cannot appeal that anymore.

10:58 Let me explain. It’s like supposing, Pablo, you have a building. The city says it’s condemned. They want to destroy the building. They have to notify you so you can appeal the destruction of your building. They cannot just go ahead and destroy the building and then tell you, “Now you can appeal.” That’s what they’ve done with my passport.

11:36 They have to give me notification so I can appeal the revocation while I still have the passport and while it is still intact. You cannot confiscate the passport, destroy the passport, and then say, “Now you can appeal the revocation.” What is there to appeal? My passport is destroyed.

11:47 Even if I win the appeal, I still have no passport. How do I get a passport? They have to issue one.

12:03 According to the law, they have to issue me a new passport. It says here: 51.65, “Replacement Passports. A passport-issuing office shall issue a replacement passport without payment of a fee: (a) to correct an error or rectify a mistake of the Department; (b) when exceptional circumstances exist, as determined by the Secretary.” That’s Secretary Powell. So they have to give it. But of course, they won’t, because they’re criminals.

12:47 And also—I’m entitled to a hearing. Within 60 days. Before they destroy my passport. But how can you have a hearing when you’re in jail? According to the law, I’m entitled to a hearing with witnesses, with people transcribing, and I’m allowed to cross-examine the witnesses. How are you going to do that when you’re in jail?

13:07 Mercado There was no hearing?

13:13 Fischer No. There have been various hearings about my deportation, but I’m talking about the US law regarding my passport. They cannot just do what they have done. They have to notify you, you have 60 days to appeal, you’re entitled to a hearing. And even if you lose the hearing, you’re entitled to another appeal, another 60 days. They have bypassed all of my rights.

13:32 Behind my back, they told the Japanese authorities to bust me, arrest me, take my passport, and send me back to the US.

[Fischer reads the full June 8, 2004 letter from the US Embassy to the Director General of the Immigration Bureau of the Ministry of Justice, Tokyo.]

14:02 Fischer This is June 8, 2004—over a month before I was arrested on July 13, 2004. This is from the Embassy of the United States of America, to the Director General, Immigration Bureau, Ministry of Justice, Tokyo, Japan.

14:24 “Dear Sir: Please be advised that the Department of State on November 21, 2003, revoked US Passport number Z7792722, issued to Robert James Fischer on January 24, 1997, at the American Embassy, Bern, Switzerland, and any other US passport he may possess. This action has been taken because Mr. Fischer is the subject of an outstanding federal warrant of arrest issued on December 15, 1992, by the United States District Court, District of Columbia, charging him with violating sections 1701, 1702, and 1705 of Title 50 of the United States Code, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.”

14:49 But they never notified me of that, ever, until July 14, 2004.

15:24 And wait a second—they already gave me a new passport in 1997, five years after the arrest warrant. And they gave me new pages, which they sewed in themselves, at the Bern Embassy, just last November.

15:43 They’re making it sound like I’ve been running around hiding from them. All lies.

15:58 “Robert James Fischer, also known as Bobby Fischer or Bobbi Fischer, was born on March 9, 1943, in Chicago, Illinois. He is described as a white male, six feet two inches tall, with brown hair and hazel eyes. Mr. Fischer is believed to travel between Tokyo and Manila every three months to live in Tokyo under the 90-day visa waiver status. He is believed to be in Japan at this time.”

16:22 More lies. In the last 24 months, I’ve been to the Philippines just one time. They make it sound like I’m going there every three months.

16:30 “The Embassy requests your assistance in informing ports of entry and departure in Japan that Mr. Fischer does not have a valid travel document”—which is a lie, they have to notify me first and I have a right to appeal—“and should not be boarded on outbound flights or admitted as an inbound traveller. Should Mr. Fischer attempt to enter or depart Japan, we request your assistance in immediately notifying the United States Embassy so that Mr. Fischer’s passport may be confiscated.”

17:51 So they’re telling the Japanese authorities: you arrest him, you give us his passport, we’re going to destroy it. And now he has no passport, so now he’s illegal in Japan. And then we’re going to give him a one-way passport, a special passport, only good to return to the US.

18:07 “At the Embassy, please contact me at 03-3224-5170, direct line, or 03-3224-5000, Embassy switchboard, 24 hours. Thank you for your assistance in this matter. Sincerely, Edward J. McKeon, Minister-Counselor and Consul General.”

18:26 So that’s what started it all, on June 8. Totally vicious.

18:39 And I think I know what started it, Pablo. About June 1 or May 31—Bush made a statement about Saddam Hussein. Saddam went to trial about June 2, in Baghdad. The day before, Bush issued a statement: “He’s a killer. He’s a thug. He needs to be brought to trial.”

19:21 So I saw that. And I had it put on my website. But I changed the words a little bit.

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00:00 Fischer Here’s what I said. It’s an article titled “It Is High Time for All Civilised Countries All Over the World to Break Diplomatic Relations with the US.” And then it says: “The brutal, unprovoked, US-led invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq is nothing but naked aggression,” etcetera. And then it says: “US President George W. Bush is a killer. He’s a thug. He needs to be brought to trial.”

01:33 I turned Bush’s own words around on him. And then I added: “What is a US Embassy, really? It’s just an often huge CIA base inside your own country, daily and nightly undermining your own sovereignty. A country needs a US Embassy like it needs a hole in the head.”

01:55 I think this statement went on the website a few days before this June 8 letter was sent from the US Embassy to the Japanese immigration people to arrest me. That’s the timing of all this. Apparently, Bush or his people didn’t like that.

02:13 Mercado We only have about three minutes to go.

02:15 Fischer Alright. One more thing. Somebody’s asking, if you’re given a choice, which would you choose: be deported back to the US, or stay in jail in Japan?

02:28 Fischer Stay in jail in Japan. There’s no question.

02:40 Mercado Any message to the people of the Philippines and the world of chess?

02:46 Fischer I say you should all get out in front of the US Embassy. You should all protest. I also want to thank you for letting me on again. I love the Filipino people, because you really have a heart. You really believe in letting the underdog have a say. Not just for the powers that be.

03:14 Everybody should go to http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. And when you go there, right at the beginning, there’s all the material about the arrest. You click there, and every place where it’s underlined, you click. Look at all the documents. It’s very obvious. The US is totally guilty. I haven’t broken any law. I should be out, and the people at the US Embassy should be in jail here. And the Japanese immigration authorities who cooperated with the US Embassy should be in jail.

04:34 Mercado Bobby, if you don’t get deported anytime soon, please call back.

04:41 Fischer Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it very much. Take care of yourself out there. Say hello to everybody in Baguio. And it’s Bombo Radio—would you hit the drum for me?

04:57 Mercado We’ll hit the drum here.

05:00 Fischer You hear that?

05:03 Mercado You hear that?

05:04 Fischer Okay. I heard it. Thank you, Pablo. Thank you very much.

05:06 Mercado Good evening. Bye.

26 Manila, Philippines, August 31, 2004 ↑

[Fischer calls into “Sports Chat” on DZSR Sports Radio 918, Manila, from the East Japan Immigration Centre. The host is Dennis Principe. Also in the studio are Attorney Sami Estimo (Secretary General of the National Chess Federation of the Philippines) and GM Eugene Torre. Estimo conducts an extensive legal analysis of the passport case on air, using his training as a lawyer. This is the most legally sophisticated of all the interviews, with Estimo systematically dismantling the US government’s position on the passport revocation.]

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00:00 Principe We have here the Secretary General of the National Chess Federation of the Philippines, Mr. Sami Estimo. And we have Mr. Eugene Torre.

00:28 Estimo Good afternoon. We are happy to be here so that we can say something about what’s happening to the man many believe is the greatest chess player of all time—I’m referring to Mr. Bobby Fischer.

00:47 Principe Okay, we already have on our line—line two—Mr. Bobby Fischer. And we are going to talk about his latest situation, of course, in Japan. So, ladies and gentlemen, we have here Mr. Bobby Fischer. Mr. Fischer, this is Dennis Principe, and I have here Mr. Estimo and Mr. Eugene Torre. Good afternoon to you, sir.

01:22 Fischer Good afternoon. Could you give the date there?

01:26 Principe Today is August 31, sir.

01:38 Principe Right now, sir, the concern of every Filipino chess fan is your situation. How are you right now?

02:05 Fischer Well, I’m okay as of the moment, but they’re threatening to send me to my death in America anytime.

02:16 Principe How come you’re now being pursued by the Americans, and right now you are in Japan?

02:33 Fischer That’s the big question everybody wants to know—why the filthy, Jew-controlled US is doing this. Actually, the Jews are behind the scenes, pushing Bush to get me back in the US so the Jews can murder me there.

02:57 Principe Okay, now, here in the Philippines, Mr. Fischer, we learned about your predicament right now through this story that came out—I think it’s in Time magazine. Well, I was able to read this story, and to be honest with you, based on this story there are still so many questions as far as your situation is concerned. And were you able to read this story?

03:36 Fischer Yes, I have it. I read it. It’s a very dishonest story in so many ways. If you take a look at the magazine, they have the publisher’s page, and at the very top of the publisher’s page, the editor-in-chief is a Jew called Norman Pearlstine. His last name is spelled P-E-A-R-L-S-T-I-N-E. So the first name is “Pearl,” like pearls in the ocean. And the last name is “Stein”—but instead of spelling it the usual way, the Jews spell Stein S-T-E-I-N. They spelled it S-T-I-N-E. Like in Palestine, you see. So the first name is “Pearl,” or wealth, and then the last name is “Stine,” like in Pale-stine.

04:46 Principe Okay, that would sound, well, ironic to your situation, sir.

04:54 Principe Now, based on this story, you’ve been living together with Ms. Miyoko Watai from Japan, the acting head of the Japan Chess Association. It says you’ve been living together in Tokyo for the past four years. What angle are you seeing in this story?

05:33 Fischer They want to fill out the story with quotations from people who are not involved in the arrest. There is not a single quotation from either the US government, the Tokyo embassy, the Manila embassy, or the Japanese immigration authorities. Not one quotation from the US government, not one from the Japanese government.

06:26 Principe Do you have your own lawyer?

06:36 Fischer I have a Japanese attorney. Yes. And we are trying to—you know, this is also totally illegal. And another thing this article doesn’t mention, you will notice, is that the US government took my passport illegally and they have destroyed my passport. Absolutely unheard of. They have physically destroyed my passport. That’s all on the internet—you can go to the internet and get that.

07:08 Principe Was this the same passport you renewed in 1997 at the US Embassy in Switzerland?

07:21 Fischer Right. Can I give my internet site? http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. Fischer spelled F-I-S-C-H-E-R. You go there and every place that is underlined, you click, and you’ll get all the information.

08:05 Principe Okay, Mr. Fischer. Now, before I continue, we have here Mr. Estimo, who would like to ask some questions. Mr. Estimo, would you please?

08:29 Estimo Good afternoon, Bobby. Can you hear me now?

08:32 Fischer I don’t think we’ve ever met, have we, Mr. Estimo?

08:36 Estimo Let me remind you—we met before. I was in the Siegen Chess Olympiad in 1970 as a member of the Philippine national chess team. You used to come to our hotel and help us analyse our adjourned games with Eugene Torre, Renato Naranja, and the rest of the team. I was the fifth member.

09:25 And in 1973, when you were a guest of President Marcos, I was the one annotating the games at the Araneta Coliseum during that Grandmaster Classic. And according to Mr. Campomanes, you used to go to a TV and watch my analysis.

10:14 Estimo We have to start from where this all began. It began on September 1, 1992, when you decided to go on with your game against Boris Spassky. You were indicted for allegedly violating Executive Order 12810, dated June 5, 1992.

10:58 That executive order allegedly prohibits you from performing any contract in support of a commercial project in Yugoslavia.

11:11 Fischer But one thing, Sami—this is just an executive order. It’s actually illegal because it doesn’t go through Congress. It doesn’t really have the real force of law. They’ve been doing these executive orders a lot now for many years, but they’re not truly legal.

11:33 Estimo If I may recall, I think it was the father of the current President of the United States, the elder Bush, who issued this executive order, is it not, Bobby?

11:48 Fischer Under the American system of law, the Congress makes the laws, right. You see, you have a separation of the different powers. You have the courts, and you have the executive branch—that’s the Bush, I mean, that’s the President. And then you have—the Congress makes the law. But the President is not supposed to make the laws with these executive orders.

12:12 Estimo I have to go straight to the point, Bobby. Did you violate this Executive Order 12810, dated June 5, 1992? I understand that you just played in a sports activity in Yugoslavia, and it had nothing to do with economic or commercial activity.

12:34 Fischer Well, first of all, this is not a real law. And I don’t believe the US government has a right to tell its citizens what they can do when they’re outside the US.

12:51 Believe it or not, Sami—there is a hotel in Budapest, when I was over there in Hungary, there was an article in the newspaper with an interview with the US ambassador, and he was warning all American citizens not to go and eat in this hotel, because the hotel was owned by Libya. And Libya—the US had economic sanctions against Libya, and the ambassador told all Americans, “If you go to eat there, or if you go to stay there overnight, you will be prosecuted and you will go to prison.”

13:26 Estimo Anyway, Bobby, you were eventually indicted because of an alleged offence that you committed against a federal law of the United States. Was your side ever given the chance to explain your side of this incident, Bobby?

13:47 Fischer What is that? Say that again, I didn’t hear you.

13:49 Estimo Opportunity to refute all these charges under the indictment.

13:53 Fischer I just refuted it now. What do you mean? You want me to go back to the US? No.

14:05 Fischer I have been involved in so many lawsuits in America. The US system is totally corrupt, Sami—totally corrupt. I mean, look what they’re doing—how they’re torturing people in Guantánamo, how they’re torturing people in America, how they’re torturing people in Iraq. I was just reading the other day, an American was tortured in an American jail. He was butt-naked, he said—just like I was butt-naked in an American prison for a couple of days back in ’80 or ’81.

14:47 It’s a totally vicious, corrupt dictatorship there. Forget about justice there.

14:55 Principe Okay, Mr. Fischer, this is Dennis Principe. Maybe we can go back to your present—well, should we say—dilemma out there in Japan. Of course, your immediate concern right now is to get out of your confinement. So how is it doing right now? Is it moving to your favour?

15:22 Fischer Well, I don’t know, really. First of all, you know, take a look at this magazine, this article in Time magazine. They talk about that I was apprehended, I was collared, I was nabbed, I was detained, right.

15:42 Principe Yes, Mr. Fischer. So what was the real story behind your confinement in Japan? Because it says here that since July 13, you’ve been in confinement in Japan. So what’s the real story behind your confinement?

16:01 Fischer Yeah, let me say: I was kidnapped by the Japanese government. That’s the story. There is absolutely nothing legal about my being detained here. There’s nothing legal about the cancellation of my entry visa to Japan and my exit visa to Japan. There’s nothing legal about the destruction of my passport. This is all totally illegal. It’s a violation of Japanese immigration laws. It’s a violation of American laws.

16:30 Principe So does that mean that since July 13, nothing has been explained to you as to the reason why you are being apprehended?

16:41 Fischer Right, right. Exactly, exactly. Nothing has been explained at all. Nothing. And if you read this article in Time of August 30, 2004—this is an article called “The King’s Gambit”—there is not a single quote from either the Japanese immigration, the Japanese government, and there’s not a single quote from the US Embassy or from the US government. Nothing—because they don’t want to put it on record, because it’s totally illegal. There is not a shred of legality to any of this. I am a kidnapped victim of the Japanese government, and they have kidnapped me at the behest of a corrupt, criminal US regime.

17:43 Fischer My lawyer’s name is Masako Suzuki.

17:51 Principe Is she a government-appointed lawyer?

17:55 Fischer No, no. She’s not government-appointed.

17:59 Principe Okay, so this lawyer is your own personal lawyer?

18:00 Principe Has she told you anything about the case since July 13th, or have you met her since July 13th?

18:15 Fischer Yeah, sure. I’ve talked to her on the phone many times. I’ve met her at the Narita Airport jailhouse, and I’ve met her over here at the Ushiku jailhouse. I’ve met her a number of times.

18:32 Estimo Bobby, it’s Sami here again.

18:36 Fischer Yeah.

18:40 Estimo We speak now of the latest events in your case. You sent a letter dated August 10 to Peter at the US Embassy in Tokyo, another letter dated August 16 to Secretary of State Colin Powell, and a third dated August 18, also to Colin Powell. What has been the result?

19:30 Fischer They sent somebody out here the other day, but I had my attorney tell them to notify her first so she could be with me. They didn’t notify her, so she wasn’t here. So I didn’t meet with the embassy person.

19:55 Estimo It’s well within your constitutional right to renounce your citizenship.

19:58 Fischer But the US Embassy sent me a ton of stuff regarding the renunciation. They want much, much more than just a renunciation. They want you to sign a “Statement of Understanding Concerning the Consequences and Ramifications of Renunciation,” which has many points. And then they want you to sign a statement regarding your tax liabilities, and you have to tell them all the taxes you paid for the last five years as a US citizen. So what I told the embassy is: I want to see the actual laws of renunciation, because they want much too much. They want all kinds of stuff that has nothing to do with the actual oath of renunciation.

21:02 Estimo In other words, you are saying the US government is putting roadblocks to your possible renunciation?

21:14 Fischer They are trying to set me up—even after I renounce—to be prosecuted for income tax things, to be deported to the US, and so on. The “Statement of Understanding” says you may be deported to the US, you’re still liable for taxes, etcetera. It’s a long thing.

21:58 Estimo The US government, just like in chess, Bobby, is laying some traps which you may fall into and then cannot get out of.

22:13 Fischer Yes. I think the US government has found by experience that people who want to renounce their citizenship really want to do it at all costs. So they tack all these other statements onto the renunciation—you acknowledge this, you acknowledge that—and people just sign it.

22:57 And then we asked them for the law, and they said, “Embassy services do not extend to doing legal research for you.” Which is nonsense, because in the renunciation papers, they refer to these laws. They have them right there, but they refuse to send them. So I have to get these laws so I know what my rights are regarding this renunciation.

23:24 Estimo Are these documents made available to you now, Bobby?

23:28 Fischer Yes, I have all of them. I can read you some of this. See, the oath of renunciation is very short and simple. It’s very similar to what I wrote to them.

23:39 Estimo So conditions attached to the attempt to renounce citizenship are making it hard for you to go on with this renunciation?

23:52 Fischer And also, they send you a letter here. It says, “Renunciation of US citizenship.” And then it says, “Documents required: one, proof of citizenship—birth certificate, US passport, certificate of naturalization, citizenship. Two, identifying document—US passport, Japanese passport. Three, Japanese family register, including records of Japanese naturalization if naturalized, proof of foreign nationality. Four, oath of renunciation. Five, statement of understanding”—and this, they want you just to sign away your life to them. You understand? “Six, questionnaire. Seven, tax statement.”

24:29 Estimo You see—they also, they are in effect wanting you to sign your death sentence. Is that what you’re telling us, Bobby?

24:41 Fischer Like, I can read you some of this stuff if you want. It has nothing to do with renouncing your citizenship, many of these documents. Nothing at all.

24:52 Estimo I understand it, Bobby, but may I go to another point—this may help you.

25:02 Estimo In 1997, the US government renewed your passport, number Z7792722, issued January 24, 1997, to expire January 23, 2007. My point of view, from a legal standpoint, is that the US government is under some kind of estoppel. When you are under estoppel, you must not question something which you yourself issued. That passport, issued in 1997 and set to expire in 2007, should remain valid until it expires. The US government cannot take back what it issued.

26:08 In other words, by issuing you a passport in 1997, the US government was in effect telling you that you did not commit any offence in 1992 by violating that economic sanction against Yugoslavia. You did not do anything illegal, because they issued you a passport. That is estoppel. They cannot later take back their own words and cancel the same passport which was legally issued.

26:41 Fischer Yes. And also, Sami, last November, they sewed 24 extra pages into my passport at the US Embassy in Bern, because I had no room for visa stamps.

27:22 Estimo Two other things. They gave you extra pages, professionally bound. Therefore, as of November 2003, everything appeared legal about your passport. And you were allowed to enter Japan on that same passport. So obviously, something’s foul here, Bobby.

28:06 Estimo You refer to one federal provision, 51.75. It states: “Any person whose application for issuance of a passport has been denied, or who has otherwise been the subject of an adverse action taken on an individual passport, shall be entitled to notification in writing.” Now the US Embassy’s own letter of August 11 says: “It is not mandatory to notify him.” This is the US government going back on its own laws.

29:30 Fischer And also, if you read this letter from Edward J. McKeon from the US Embassy, August 11, 2004—he admits I was not properly notified. He says: “However, we were unable to properly advise him of the revocation until he was located in Japan on July 14, 2004.”

29:57 The matter is, I was not “improperly notified.” I was not notified, period. Of this alleged November 2003 revocation. It’s totally absurd, totally illegal. The revocation becomes effective when they send you the letter notifying you. And then you have 60 days to appeal it.

30:34 They destroy my passport, arrest me, then notify me—while I’m in jail. Totally ridiculous.

30:49 Estimo So, if you don’t mind, if I may butt in, Mr. Fischer. So that means that you received the notification during the time that you were inside detention?

31:03 Fischer I received notification… there’s a letter here from December 11, 2003, from the Embassy of the United States of America, Manila, Philippines. All of this is on an internet site that I gave. There was a letter December 11, 2003, which notifies me of this revocation. But they never sent me this revocation. I only got it on July 14, 2004. But they gave it to me after they had already destroyed my passport, after they had arrested me. You understand?

31:49 Totally illegal. They’re supposed to send you this when your passport is still valid. They send you this letter telling you your passport is revoked. Then you have 60 days to appeal it. And it does not become final until you either do not appeal it within those 60 days, or unless you appeal it and then you lose the appeal. But even then, you can still appeal it again. But the point is, they never notified me, and instead they first destroyed my passport, and then they notified me that they’re revoking it. It’s totally illegal.

32:26 Estimo Okay. Now, Mr. Fischer, we are given here an idea that your passport was allegedly revoked, and you mentioned also that you had—or, I don’t know if you still have—plans of renouncing your US citizenship. First question: which came first between these two, the revocation and the renunciation of your citizenship?

32:53 Fischer First they destroyed my passport, of course.

33:00 Estimo So when did you renounce, or apply for renunciation of your citizenship?

33:09 Fischer Yeah, what about it? I just explained the situation with that.

33:15 Estimo Okay, okay. So now that you have plans of renouncing your citizenship, what citizenship are you planning to have after this?

33:29 Fischer Well, I’m trying to get some other citizenship if I can, you know.

33:36 Estimo It was mentioned also in this story—the possibility of you electing to become a German citizen.

33:47 Fischer Yeah, that’s one possibility, you know.

33:51 Estimo Okay, sir, with regards to your present situation and based on what your lawyer has been telling you, what are the chances of you getting out of incarceration at the soonest possible time?

34:13 Fischer From the legal standpoint, I shouldn’t be here. I should never have been arrested. My passport, my entry visa, my exit visa to Japan, should never have been revoked. My passport should never have been destroyed, or even confiscated from me. So legally, I shouldn’t be here. I should be on the street right now and I should have my passport. This has nothing to do with legality. This has to do strictly with politics. I am a kidnap victim here. I have been kidnapped by the Japanese government.

35:03 Estimo Finally, it can be said that the US government itself has violated its own Constitution, when the Constitution says no person can be deprived of property or liberty without due process of law.

35:39 Fischer Exactly. Just the same as the way the US government robbed all my belongings at Bekins. Exactly the same thing.

35:47 Estimo Finally—it can be said that the US government itself has violated its own Constitution, when the US Constitution says no person can be deprived of property or liberty without due process of law. I understand they confiscated also your leather case containing your passport. Is that what you’re telling us, Bobby?

36:12 Fischer To me, they did return that.

36:13 Estimo But your liberty—the offence against your liberty—could never be returned.

36:19 Fischer Yeah, and also the passport—it has been destroyed. You see, how can I appeal the revocation when the passport itself has been destroyed?

36:31 Estimo That’s also your property. It has been given to you. So you are really deprived of property and liberty without due process, Bobby.

36:37 Fischer That passport—I paid for that passport.

36:41 Estimo Okay, now, Mr. Fischer—with that, like what you’ve been saying, you are illegally detained in Japan right now, and although the reason the US is giving is that you are being pursued because of that 1992 match, I believe, against Boris Spassky. Now, as soon as you get out of confinement, what are your plans? Do you plan to still stay in Japan, or do you still plan to work on getting another citizenship?

37:29 Fischer Well, I’ll worry about that when I get out, you know.

37:33 Estimo Okay, so the immediate concern, of course, is to get out.

37:36 Fischer Yeah, yeah, to get out—but not to America. If they send me to America, I will be murdered there. No question about that. No question. 25 to 30 million Jews there, maybe more—at least 25 to 30 million Jews there. Every one of them wants to drink my blood and eat me alive, you know.

38:00 Estimo Okay—now, Mr. Fischer, we have here Grandmaster Eugene Torre. I think you have some questions.

[Brief Eugene Torre exchange. Fischer then turns to the Time magazine article’s treatment of Jackie Wilson, comparing Time Life’s exclusion of Wilson from their rock-and-roll anthology to the Jewish media’s treatment of Fischer.]

38:34 Fischer There’s something here I want to mention about Jackie Wilson. We discussed him in an earlier interview—we played a couple of his records. I remember “No Pity.” I’ve since read a book about him called Jackie Wilson: Black Elvis. And I’ve been listening to his albums. He was an absolutely fantastic talent.

38:58 But they call him here a “crooner” in this Time article: “They listen to 1950s crooner Jackie Wilson.” He was so much more than a crooner. He was a rock and roll star, a soul star, he sang gospel, he sang everything. He even sang “Danny Boy,” that Irish classic.

39:50 Why did they call him a crooner? Because Time Life came out with a book about two years ago on rock and roll greats—a big anthology. Everybody is in that book. The Temptations, Bob Dylan, Sam Cooke—just name anybody. Who do you think is not in there?

40:48 Torre Maybe Jackie Wilson?

40:49 Fischer Right. He is not mentioned anywhere. I looked in the index. I went through the whole book. Because that’s the way the Jews are. Time Life is a Jewish outfit, and they just hate real talent. There may have been greater singers than Jackie Wilson, and there may have been greater dancers, but I don’t think there’s ever been anybody who could do both as well as he could.

41:49 One day, Time Life will probably do a chess anthology of chess greats. And who do you think will not be in it? Who else but me.

42:29 So that’s why they called him a crooner—so they could say, “Oh, we can put Jackie Wilson in there, because he’s not rock and roll, he’s a crooner.” You see? But I don’t know any crooners who do leg-splits and back-over flips like Jackie Wilson, and who shout and scream like Jackie Wilson did in “No Pity.” A crooner would be somebody like Jack Jones, or the Jew Tony Bennett. Or the Italian Perry Como—if he really was an Italian. But of course, he could croon, Jackie Wilson—but to label him a crooner to escape the responsibility for leaving him out of the Time Life rock-and-roll book is very cheap and dirty, you know.

43:26 Torre How about the title of the Time article—“The King’s Gambit”?

43:30 Fischer I don’t know what they mean. Who played the King’s Gambit—me or the US government? I don’t play the King’s Gambit, you know, Eugene. I play the Bishop’s Gambit: e4, e5, f4, exf4, Bc4.

44:13 Estimo Oh, I see—and who’s the king?

44:16 Fischer Bush, no? (laughs) But it’s a very interesting article. There’s just so many mean… Also, they say I’m a fugitive, right? If you look up the word “fugitive” in the dictionary, that means you’re fleeing from something. But when all this happened, I was not in the USA.

44:44 Torre You were not fleeing when you were in Hungary—we were together.

44:49 Fischer By the US? Did I flee? I stayed in Yugoslavia another ten months or so. I wouldn’t have been fleeing anywhere.

45:01 Also they call me… I think they call me anti-Semite, which is not true. Because if you look up the term Semite, it refers in the dictionary—it refers to Jews and Arabs, right? Well, I’m not anti-Arab. How can they call me an anti-Semite? It’s ridiculous.

45:25 And also they say—well, I’ll read the beginning of the article: “To the average lonely heart, Bobby Fischer—erstwhile chess champion, virulent anti-Semite, and fugitive from the US justice system—might not sound like Mr. Right.” If that’s true—I’m not sure it is true—if it’s true, it’s because of articles like this that they’re conditioning young women, or women of any age, not to consider me Mr. Right.

46:00 Estimo Okay, Bobby, Dennis here is signaling me that our time is almost up, but you can go through the articles and comment as you wish, so that you can complete your understanding of the Time magazine article.

46:33 Fischer Yeah, okay. Well, there are just so many things that they didn’t… First of all, you remember that guy Brad Darrach? He wrote the book about me called Bobby Fischer vs. the Rest of the World. He was a crook. But he did say one thing in an interview that I thought was very interesting. He used to interview the Hollywood stars a lot. He was asked by People magazine: “How do you get such perceptive interviews, such penetrating interviews with these Hollywood stars?”

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[Brief closing segment—about five minutes.]

00:08 Fischer They know there’s no case. The Japanese immigration authorities don’t want anything in writing because they know there’s no case. They don’t want to make a statement. And the same with the US government.

00:24 Estimo My last comment is that especially Bekins, the biggest storage company—they have been very, very quiet about your memorabilia that was, in your words, robbed.

00:43 Fischer Yes. I have never seen a single word from Bekins about this robbery, which is, in monetary value, probably the biggest robbery in the history of the United States. A vast fortune, that stuff.

01:01 Principe Mr. Fischer, we have a little time to finish. We would like to thank you. It seems that this is another chess match on your part, and we wish you all the best moves.

01:31 Fischer Well, the problem, Mr. Principe, is that in chess there are some rules. But here, there are no rules. They just make any kind of move, no matter how illegal it is. The US government and the Japanese government don’t care about the rules or the law. Even if I play all the right moves, what good is it if these people don’t play by the rules?

02:02 Principe Of course, you won’t settle for a stalemate in this case.

02:11 Principe Mr. Fischer, thank you very much. We’ve been receiving dozens of text messages wishing you well. We wish you all the best.

02:31 Fischer Can I just repeat that internet address? http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. There’s a hundred times more stuff there than I could ever say here in this short interview.

03:14 Thank you very much. And I want to thank Sports Radio for letting me on again. It’s a great station. I always like to be on that station.

03:26 Principe Okay, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bobby Fischer, perhaps the greatest chess player of all time.

[After Fischer hangs up, Estimo gives his legal summary.]

03:52 Estimo He has been deprived of his right to due process. He was convicted without trial—because regarding the possible revocation of his passport, he should have been given a chance to adduce evidence against the charges. There should be findings of fact, then a decision. All this has not been done. So all the indications of kangaroo court proceedings are present in the case of Bobby. I’m sorry to say that, but it’s the truth from a lawyer’s viewpoint.

27 Baguio, Philippines, October 2, 2004 ↑

[Fischer calls Bombo Radio, Baguio, from the Ushiku Immigration Detention Centre. He has been in detention for nearly three months. Pablo Mercado hosts. Fischer discusses nuclear radiation near his detention centre, the Newmont Mining case in Indonesia, the US passport hearing, and Ichiro Suzuki’s record-breaking season. The recording cuts off abruptly at the end.]

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00:12 Mercado Tonight is Saturday, October 2, here in the Philippines. Our time is six minutes past the hour of eight. We have with us the World Chess Champion, Bobby Fischer. And this, I think, is the third time that we will be able to talk with him regarding his situation. He’s still in Japan right now. Bobby, how are you?

00:36 Fischer Yeah. I’m great, Pablo. How are you doing?

00:40 I’m still here in prison on these trumped-up charges of violating some visa regulation.

00:49 Mercado I thought they would be bringing you somewhere else. Last time I talked with you, I thought they were about ready to bring you back to the States.

00:55 Fischer I’m still here. I think they want me here because they’re trying to kill me with nuclear radiation.

01:02 Mercado Why is that?

01:05 Fischer I’ve discovered that this place I’m at is near the site of Japan’s worst nuclear power disaster five years ago. I’m in Ibaraki Prefecture. This is Ushiku. And I’ve discovered this is near Tokai, where they had that disaster. Several people died in the accident, and I think everybody in Tokai had to stay inside their houses. They all got some exposure.

01:39 I’m very afraid of nuclear power. That’s why I always told you you’re better off than Japan—because you have no nuclear power plants in the Philippines. But they’ve got sixteen here in Japan, and I am near the site of the worst accident they ever had.

02:04 So against my will, they have taken me to this site—to kill me, or to take five or ten or more years off my life by poisoning me with nuclear radiation. Very, very vicious.

02:21 Mercado Is that far from the holding cell that they put you back first time?

02:29 Fischer You mean at the airport?

02:32 Mercado Yeah.

02:32 Fischer The airport is farther away, I’m pretty sure, from this nuclear power plant, because I’m in the same prefecture. This is Ibaraki Prefecture. I’m about 60—I think they told me 50 or 60 kilometres from Tokai. Where they had this accident on September 30th, 1999. It’s just the fifth anniversary—it was a few days ago.

02:56 Mercado Really?

02:56 Fischer Of the accident. They had a lot of publicity about it.

03:00 So I think this was a part of the calculations of the United States to take me here, to try to pump me up with as much nuclear radiation as possible. So even if I get out of here, I will die prematurely. You understand?

03:14 Mercado Yes, yes I do.

03:16 Fischer They’re very, very vicious, very calculating, the Jews. You see, absolutely criminal. I’m here against my will. I was kidnapped by the Japanese government. Absolutely no legality to any of this.

03:33 Mercado Was that the only development since the last time I talked with you? I thought they were about ready to bring you back to the States then.

03:40 Fischer Well, we blocked that in the court. I have a pretty good lawyer. She went to court and they blocked it. So it’s in the courts now. They had a deportation order for me that the Ministry of Justice signed to deport me to the US. But then right away, my lawyer went to the court the same evening that they gave me this signed deportation order. They told me they were going to send me back that very night.

04:08 Mercado So it did not happen?

04:10 Fischer It didn’t happen, no, because she blocked it. It’s in the courts now.

04:13 Mercado Alright. So they haven’t decided it yet.

04:16 Fischer I think before they can send me back, they have to decide it in the courts, and they have to give my lawyer a chance to go into court to plead my position. You know what I mean?

04:28 Mercado Was there no hearing yet?

04:31 Fischer No, no. They haven’t had the hearing yet, or no, it hasn’t been decided yet. These things can take a very long time here, Pablo. They’ve got other prisoners here who’ve been here for years.

04:44 Mercado So you’ll be stuck there very near the nuclear radiation, no?

04:48 Fischer Yeah. They’re very vicious, you know. Very, very vicious.

04:53 Mercado How have you tried to communicate with the Japanese officials? Say, ask them to bring you somewhere else where it’s safe?

05:01 Fischer Well, I’m trying to get out of here on provisional release. I have another immigration centre where some of my other cellmates were just sent a few days ago—but it’s in Nagasaki. Which is also not so great if you don’t like radiation. That’s where they dropped the atom bomb, the US, right?

05:27 Mercado Why do they want to put you in a place where there’s been some nuclear accident?

05:37 Fischer Yeah. I don’t know. They want to kill me, I guess. Make me sick. The US, I think, would prefer rather than kill me that I die a painful death of cancer, you know.

05:50 Mercado How have they been treating you so far, anyway?

05:53 Fischer Well, other than the fact that I’m near this nuclear power plant against my will, I’m locked up here. And also I think there’s some kind of… I’m getting radio waves here, you know. I have a little radio they let me use here. I use it with the earphone, but almost none of the stations work. I don’t know—it’s all blocked somehow. They don’t want people to… I don’t know what the deal is, but everything seems blocked, and I think there’s all kinds of unusual radio frequency activities here, you know. So it may also be very unhealthy, you know.

06:27 Mercado So you don’t get news of what’s happening from your radio?

06:43 Fischer I can only get one AM station. NHK news at 11 o’clock at night. So it’s quite controlled, you know.

07:01 You know, Pablo—they’ve been calling me the former world champion forever and ever. Every time they write about me, they call me the former world champion. Articles will call me the former world champion three or four times. They just constantly repeat it, so people get the message that I’m a has-been, I’m not the current champion—which is not true.

07:30 But now the Jews have taken it a step further. It’s kind of old hat for them to call me the former world champion. Maybe they don’t get a kick out of it anymore. They’ve said it so much. Now you know what they’re calling me?

07:46 “Former chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer.”

07:50 Mercado So they’re trying to demote you now?

07:52 Fischer Yeah. “Former chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer stayed one move ahead of US authorities on Wednesday when he won a delay in efforts to deport him from Japan.” I’m a “former grandmaster”?

08:22 But my understanding of the title of grandmaster from FIDE is it’s a permanent title for all your life.

08:32 Mercado Yes, that’s right.

08:33 Fischer But they’re calling me the former grandmaster. They’re calling me the former world champion when I’ve never been beaten, and I offered absolutely fair conditions to play Karpov. But this criminal Kasparov—he lost a prearranged match to Kramnik for the so-called world championship. It was prearranged, by the way. Incredible. He lost on purpose to create a new world champion, a new Jew champion, Kramnik. But they still call Kasparov the world champion—even though he flat out was beaten in a so-called world championship match. I’ve never been beaten, but they call me the former world champion. But now they’re going a step further, and they’re calling me former grandmaster. Soon they’ll be calling me former master, then former chess player, then former human being. They’re making me an un-person.

09:32 Oh, these Jews—they stay up at night thinking what’s a new, fresh way to insult Fischer. So this is the latest. I’m not the former champion. I’m not even a grandmaster. I’m a former grandmaster. That’s funny, huh? They won’t stop at anything.

10:00 Just—there’s a very interesting little article in the paper. You know, the US, they want to put me in prison—they’ve made that very, very clear. But I was reading an article about Indonesia here. There was a case in Indonesia where there was a mine—some mining company. Here it is—from the International Herald Tribune, Tuesday, September 28, 2004: “US Objects to Indonesia on Detentions.” It’s a very short article. Take about a minute to read it. This is Agence France-Presse, Jakarta.

[Fischer then reads the article about US Ambassador Ralph Boyce objecting to the detention of five Newmont Mining executives in Indonesia. He draws a parallel between the US defending its mining executives and its persecution of him.]

10:48 Fischer Ralph Boyce, the US ambassador, met with President Megawati to object to the detention of five executives from the Indonesian subsidiary of Newmont Mining, a US mining company. “We are concerned about our people,” Boyce told reporters at the Presidential Palace.

11:15 Indonesia was holding five Newmont executives because a human rights group said that thirty people died after suffering from symptoms similar to Minamata disease—a disorder caused by pollution.

11:55 Minamata was a pollution accident they had here in Japan some years ago. I think it’s mercury poisoning. A lot of people were killed and crippled. Hundreds of people, if I recollect.

12:34 Here you are—the US ambassador is concerned about these five executives who are being held. He wants to get them released. But me—who has done nothing wrong, who has brought honour and glory to the filthy US—they want to put me in prison. Because I beat the Jews in chess and because I tell the truth about the Jews and the US.

13:16 There’s a different attitude. The US ambassador wants to get these executives freed, but the US wants to put me in jail. These guys may have killed probably at least 30 people and poisoned hundreds of thousands of others, right? But he doesn’t want to let Indonesian justice take its course. He says, “We are concerned about our people”—that’s Boyce, the US Ambassador to Indonesia, told reporters at the Presidential Palace. And then Boyce said he believed a solution would be found to get them out of jail.

13:55 Fischer You know what’s very similar? Over in Afghanistan, you remember the wedding party? Where they killed about fifty people at a wedding party? Because it’s a custom at weddings in some of these countries to shoot guns in the air. So they just bombed the whole place.

14:20 And you know how much they paid per person they killed? About $100. But for the World Trade Centre, the average family is getting $1,000,000 per person. For their own people—Americans—they give a million dollars per person. For Afghan families, $100 per person.

15:09 Fischer Also, the person who wants to deport me is the Justice Minister Nozawa—but he is now not the Justice Minister any more. Koizumi, the Prime Minister, reshuffled the Cabinet, so the new Justice Minister is Chieko Nono. She’s a woman. And she’s a former nurse. Nono later became an executive board member of the Japanese Nursing Federation—I think she’s a former nurse and professor. My mother was a nurse, so maybe she can take that into account.

16:04 They’re all so much under the US thumb, you know?

16:07 Mercado Have you tried talking to the new Justice Minister anyway?

16:10 Fischer No, I haven’t. I really think I should try to contact her. My mother was a nurse, and if you go to my internet website there, there’s an article by my mother on nursing. People would find it very interesting. A very brilliant article.

16:29 The website: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. Fischer spelled F-I-S-C-H-E-R. There’s an article in there by my mother about nursing.

[The page from Fischer’s website that he refers to here. It is a graduating-class spread—portrait in nurse’s uniform, an interest-cartoon (“Cafeteria—Did someone say food?”), and the standard yearbook verse “Braids on top and not too tall  /  Food is her major call  /  Is always in a studying mood  /  This proud mother of her brood,” captioned with her then home address, “560 Lincoln Place, Brooklyn, New York” (the Fischer family’s apartment, 1950–1956). The format is that of a hospital-school-of-nursing class yearbook; the strongest candidate is the Prospect Heights Hospital School of Nursing (Crown Heights, Brooklyn) yearbook, c. 1953—Regina is known to have worked at Prospect Heights Hospital as a nurse during the Lincoln Place years (it was a short walk from her apartment), and the school admitted older entrants. Giacopini, in her biographical account drawn from the FBI file, describes the page as the headpiece of an article in a nurses’ magazine, so a reprint or excerpt may also exist. Only this one page survives on the Wayback Machine, as the GIF reginaf.gif captured from http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/ on 20 July 2002 and reproduced byte-for-byte below. The fuller text and any clippings would be in Regina Fischer’s FBI file (Bureau file 65-HQ-45667, $ $900 pages, FOIA-released after her death in 1997 and first read by Peter Nicholas and Clea Benson of the Philadelphia Inquirer: https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/20080118_Files_reveal_how_FBI_hounded_chess_king.html); the file is not freely hosted online and would have to be requested by FOIA, or consulted via the Brooklyn Public Library’s Prospect Heights Hospital collection.]

16:55 Mercado Yes, I read it about fifteen years ago.

16:56 Fischer That’s right.

16:59 Mercado All right, Bobby. We’ve got to push off now.

17:05 Any other message for our listeners?

17:10 Fischer I’d like people to get out in front of the filthy US and the filthy Japanese embassies in Manila. Send letters to the newspapers. And I know one paper in the Philippines publishes short phone messages. The Inquirer. People should be sending messages about this. It’s an absolute outrage in every way.

17:42 And now the US wants to have a hearing—I have appealed this passport revocation. But the US wants to have the hearing right here in the prison. Which is nonsense. How in the world can I prepare for such a hearing in prison? They have to let me out of here. I’ve been here almost three months, Pablo. Three months.

18:22 And now they’re trying to kill me with nuclear radiation. Actually, I would much rather be obliterated in a nuclear bomb than to get radiation sickness.

18:52 Mercado Call back again whenever any development happens. Okay?

19:03 Fischer Can I just say one more thing? This baseball player—have you been following this Ichiro story?

19:14 Mercado Not really following it, but I’ve heard about him.

19:17 Fischer I think he’s about to break or has just broken the all-time hits-in-a-season record or something. He’s playing for an American team—the Seattle Mariners, I think.

19:33 My point: first of all, Ichiro has no business playing for a United States team. Because the United States dropped the atom bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You should not forget that. Especially since the US has never apologised. If the US at least apologised officially, you could try to forgive.

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[Fischer continues with Mercado, attacking the Ichiro Suzuki single-season-hits record set in 2004 as a US/Japan staged event, and accusing Koizumi and Bush of having personally agreed the Narita arrest.]

00:00 Fischer But the US has never apologised, because they’re still justifying that crime. So Ichiro has no business playing in the US for a US team. That’s point number one. Point number two—I believe this record… first of all, what do these records mean? The game has changed so much. The ball is livelier, the bats are livelier, right?

00:23 Mercado Right.

00:24 Fischer These old records were much harder to make, you know.

00:28 Mercado Oh, yeah.

00:30 Fischer That’s point number two. Point number three—I believe this is being staged between the US and the Japanese governments. Because they could easily have stopped him from breaking the record just by giving him walks, right?

00:41 Mercado Yeah, that’s right.

00:43 Fischer And then he wouldn’t have the hits, right?

00:45 Mercado Yeah.

00:46 Fischer Let’s suppose Ichiro was not a Japanese player, and the Japanese and the US didn’t have this conspiracy to give him this record. Let’s say he was an anti-American player, a great player who originally was from Cuba, and was pro-Castro still, right? Playing for an American team—do you think they would have let him break the record like that? No way! They would have been giving him all kinds of walks, right? Or they would even be trying to hit him with the ball, to injure him, or to get him out of the season, right?

01:19 Mercado Uh-huh. Okay.

01:22 Fischer And I saw this pig Koizumi on TV today congratulating Ichiro, you know? A wonderful thing for Japan. Me, he has put in prison—him and Bush working in a conspiracy, right? That’s perfectly okay for him, right? But he’s congratulating Ichiro—it’s a wonderful thing. He would never dream of putting Ichiro in prison, right? On some bullshit immigration charge, right?

01:47 Mercado Yeah.

01:49 Fischer Koizumi, you are a motherfucker!

01:52 Mercado All right, all right. Okay, I understand.

01:54 Fischer I’m told—I don’t know if it’s true—that this whole thing, this deal with me being arrested, my passport being destroyed, etc., was personally agreed between Koizumi and Bush. This is what I’m told. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Bush and Koizumi, you are motherfuckers! You are criminals. You’re gonna pay for this, and you’re gonna pay for your crimes in Iraq, too.

02:20 Goddamn Koizumi—sending troops over there to be poisoned by depleted uranium, and to be put in harm’s way, and to put this whole damn country of Japan in danger of being attacked by so-called terrorists, because they’re sending their troops over there. Japan should do the same thing that the Philippines did—withdraw their troops immediately from Iraq.

02:43 Mercado Yeah. Okay.

02:45 Fischer Okay, thank you, Pablo. See you again soon.

02:46 Mercado Thank you. We’ll see you again soon.

02:48 Fischer Yes, all right. Thank you. Okay, good night.

02:50 Mercado Good night. Bye-bye.

28 Manila, Philippines, October 11, 2004 ↑

[Fischer calls into DZSR Sports Radio 918, Manila, from the Ushiku Immigration Detention Centre. The host is Tony Falcon. Dr. Jenny P. Mayor and NM Rolando Norte are in the studio. GM Eugene Torre is absent—he is at the Spanish Embassy obtaining a visa. Fischer has been in detention for nearly three months. This interview is notable for Fischer’s extended discussion of nuclear radiation near Ushiku, the Newmont Mining parallel, the Cat Stevens deportation, and some remarkably personal anecdotes.]

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[Programme opens with the “Lingkod Bayan” (“Public Servant”) Tagalog jingle and Falcon’s introduction in Tagalog: he announces a special guest from Japan—world chess champion Bobby Fischer—live, talking about his imprisonment. Lottery promo for the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes and commercial breaks follow before the line to Japan is established.]

06:05 Falcon This time we have visitors: Doctor Jenny Mayor, and of course, Mr. Rolando Norte. Please welcome our very special guest this afternoon, Mr. Bobby Fischer.

06:54 Fischer Yeah. How are you? What is your name?

06:59 Falcon This is Tony Falcon. Broadcaster here in the Philippines.

07:08 We have here your friend Eugene Torre, and Doctor Jenny Mayor and Rolando Norte.

07:27 Fischer Eugene is, I think, busy right now. He’s at the Spanish Embassy trying to get a visa.

07:35 Falcon So what happened? Give me the real story.

07:40 Fischer I’m right now in Japan. I’m in a prison here. I was kidnapped by the Japanese government three months ago. It’s almost three months I’ve been here now.

08:03 Falcon Give me the details—the complete details—of why they kidnapped you.

08:08 Fischer Okay. I was at the airport in Tokyo—this is July 13, 2004. I’d like to date my interviews—this is October 11, 2004. So this is almost three months ago. I was at Narita Airport, and I was in immigration to leave Tokyo for Manila. I had a flight. And suddenly, they arrested me and said my passport was invalid because the USA had said it was revoked—which was a lie. They never notified me.

09:05 And then they said I was under arrest. I refused to be arrested. A whole bunch of guys—about ten, fifteen—grabbed me, dragged me into a cell, almost killed me, injured me. And then I was just lying in the cell there in pain for hours, and then finally got to sleep.

09:28 The next day, the guards came back to my cell. They said, “You have a visitor from the US Embassy.” I said, “I don’t want to see anybody from the US Embassy.” They physically dragged me to see the guy from the US Embassy. Called Peter. And then he showed me my passport. They had destroyed my passport. They had punched holes through it and stamped “cancelled” on every page. All this completely illegally.

09:56 I’ve been in prison the last three months. I was in the airport prison for about one month, then they took me here to Ushiku Prison, in Ibaraki Prefecture.

10:12 And I have recently found out I am very near to a leaking nuclear power plant. It is leaking nuclear radiation right now as I’m talking to you. It’s been leaking for five years. They’re trying to kill me—the US and the Japanese authorities—with nuclear radiation.

10:30 I’ve asked for provisional release—they refused. I’ve asked to be transferred to another prison—they refused. They want to keep me here to kill me with nuclear radiation.

11:06 Falcon Is there a deportation order already?

11:08 Fischer Yes. The Minister of Justice, Mr. Nozawa, signed it a couple of months ago. But my lawyer went to court, and she blocked it. So it’s in the courts now. But in the meantime, I’m here in this Ushiku Prison. They call it an immigration detention centre, but it’s the same as a prison—you can’t leave. There are guards and everything.

11:34 Falcon So, for example, they send you back to the United States—what will you do?

11:39 Fischer Well, they want to kill me there. They have an arrest warrant for me. It’s not really a deportation—it’s actually an extradition. But they can’t extradite me because the alleged crime I committed is not a crime in Japan. So they cooked up this scheme to deport me to the US illegally, you see, with the Japanese government.

12:22 I have an article here from the Daily Yomiuri, October 2, 2004, entitled “Nuclear Firms Lack Safety Culture.” And it says right here in the article: “Five years have passed since Japan’s first nuclear criticality accident took place, but lessons do not seem to have been learned in the five-year period since the September 30, 1999 chain-reaction accident at a nuclear fuel processing plant in Tōkai-mura, Ibaraki Prefecture.” That’s where I am—I’m in Ibaraki Prefecture right now. I’m in another city called Ushiku. It’s about fifty kilometres from Tōkai-mura, about twenty-five miles.

13:13 “A number of nuclear-energy-related scandals and accidents have occurred.” And then it talks about the accident that happened there five years ago, and 660 residents of the town there got radioactive poisoning, and several people died.

13:33 But the point is, okay—that was five years ago. The point is, it’s still leaking today. The plant’s uranium conversion building where the accident occurred “still continues to emit radioactivity, albeit only in minute quantities not considered harmful to humans.” That’s the phrase you have to underline: “not considered harmful to humans.” But it is harmful to humans. Even the smallest amounts of this stuff are harmful to humans.

14:05 You know, they did a survey here in Japan—they’ve got about sixty nuclear power plants in Japan—and they found that even in a normal nuclear power plant that is not supposed to be leaking radioactivity, supposed to be perfectly safe, no accidents, nothing—they found out that the women who live nearby have a much higher rate of miscarriages than people who live far away from these power plants, you see?

15:18 Falcon Did you report this to the Japanese government?

15:21 Fischer Yes. I asked them to transfer me to another prison, and they haven’t replied. I’ve asked for provisional release—they already turned it down twice, but we asked again two weeks ago and they still haven’t replied.

16:01 Falcon All right—Doctor Mayor will ask a question. Doctor Jenny Mayor, do you have any question?

16:07 Dr. Mayor Bobby, good afternoon.

16:10 Fischer Yeah, I can hardly hear you, Mayor.

16:12 Falcon This is Doctor Jenny Mayor. All right, Jenny, go ahead.

16:16 Dr. Mayor Bobby, nice to hear from you again.

16:19 Fischer Yeah, yeah. How are you?

16:20 Dr. Mayor I’m fine, my friend. But this time, the American and the Japanese is trying to harm you. You know, that’s a very dangerous thing.

16:40 Fischer Yes—it’s very vicious. Very, very vicious. This whole thing, I’m convinced now, is a conspiracy from the beginning—to either kill me in the US or else, if the Japanese don’t want to cooperate with that for public relations reasons on their part (you see, it doesn’t look good for the Japanese government to cooperate with them to send me to my death in America), then just to quietly poison me to death here in Japan with radioactivity. You understand?

17:11 Dr. Mayor Yeah, I know that. It may cause harmful lung cancer, you know.

17:14 Fischer Yeah, this causes cancer. It causes impotency. It causes every kind of illness you can think of.

17:30 Dr. Mayor Why don’t you go to the United Nations or Amnesty International, or whatever big names that can help you?

17:43 Fischer Amnesty International is controlled by the Jews, Doctor. That’s a phony baloney organisation. And so is the United Nations controlled by the Jews, by the way.

18:10 Norte Hello, Bobby. How are you?

18:18 Fischer The terrible thing about nuclear radiation, Rolando—you don’t feel it. You don’t smell it. You can’t taste it. You can’t hear it. You can’t see it. But it kills you. Everything nuclear is just evil.

18:47 Fischer I told my friend, my lawyer—get me out of here. They say, “Don’t rock the boat. We’re trying. Don’t offend the Japanese. They’re very sensitive. Don’t offend anybody. You’re gonna make it harder for yourself.” But my experience is, you’ve got to tell it like it is. I cannot be quiet about this.

19:18 And, you know, radioactivity—there’s just no way to recover from it. There’s no cure for this kind of thing. The only cure, so to speak, is to die. Nobody gets better once they get enough nuclear radiation in their body. It doesn’t matter if you’re Bobby Fischer or Joe Blow—this stuff kills.

20:11 Fischer The United States government, Bob Ellsworth, and Bekins in late 1998 or early 1999 robbed an entire room full of my belongings at Bekins Moving and Storage in Pasadena, California. And this stuff is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. A vast fortune. They robbed hundreds of boxes. They robbed my safes. They robbed my file cabinets. Statues, all my correspondence, all my contracts, all my chess sets, all my trophies—just a ton of stuff I saved up for thirty or forty years.

21:37 All of these things are tied together. They want to kill me with radioactivity so I won’t be able to play Fischer Random, I won’t be able to expose the Jews, I won’t be able to expose the Bekins robbery.

22:01 Fischer I think the Jew Arthur Bisguier—he’s a grandmaster, one of the Jews’ best players. I beat him thirteen games in a row. The first game we played, I was about twelve or thirteen, I lost. Second game was a draw. And after that, I beat him the next thirteen games in a row. Every single game, starting in about 1957, ending in about 1970. But it didn’t really end, because the thirteenth game was the last game we ever played. So the streak is still going. It was never broken.

23:41 Fischer For years, the dirty Jews have been referring to me as “the former world champion.” But they don’t get a kick out of that anymore. So now they’ve come up with calling me “former grandmaster.” Can you imagine that? I’m not a grandmaster any more—this is the latest. Ridiculous. The dirty Jews stay up nights thinking of new ways to insult me. I have the story right here in front of me. “Fischer wins deportation delay”—this is from the Asahi Shimbun of September 9, 2004. It says, “Former chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer stayed one move ahead of US authorities on Wednesday when he won a delay in efforts to deport him from Japan.” So now I’m a “former chess grandmaster,” according to the Jews—which of course is absurd, because the grandmaster title is for life. Have you ever heard of anybody being called a “former grandmaster” before?

25:14 Mayor Not yet.

25:20 Dr. Mayor Bobby, if former world champion Karpov—

25:27 Fischer He’s not the former world champion. He was never champion. He’s a crook. His real name is Weinstein. You know that, don’t you?

25:36 Dr. Mayor No, no, no—Karpov. He wants a match with you.

25:39 Fischer Oh, Karpov, I think you meant to say. Well, okay, yeah, he’s also a crook—Karpov. Okay, go ahead.

25:43 Dr. Mayor He wants a match with you, please.

25:45 Fischer Yeah, I’ll give him a match. He wasn’t a real world champion either. You know his match with Korchnoi in Baguio was prearranged, don’t you? Yeah, of course—in the Philippines, that match he played in Baguio in 1978. Yes, that was completely prearranged, move by move, every move, every game. Of course, everybody knows that. You ask Campomanes—sit him down, tape-record his answer, and you will see Campomanes, when he says it’s not prearranged, is lying. Campomanes knows very well that match was prearranged move by move. All that stuff with the psychologist and all of the protests—it was all just a theatre.

26:30 Dr. Mayor How about Kasparov? You want to have a match with him?

26:33 Fischer Well, I don’t play chess anymore. I play Fischer Random. I’ve outgrown chess. It’s a joke now.

26:52 Dr. Mayor How’s your Fischer Random and your chess clock?

26:55 Fischer Fischer Random is doing fine except, you know, the Jews are like trying to prevent it from growing. And they want to kill me now, so I cannot play it, of course. But—and the clock is also nearing completion, finally. Yes. But again, the Jews want to stop that too, which is a part of their calculations with this kidnapping, you know. So it’s all a huge conspiracy of the Jews. The Jews control the United States, and the United States controls Japan, you see?

27:31 Dr. Mayor Alright, Bob. Okay. I just want to note this matter now with regards to this idea—who these people, Doctor, that they put you in jail? Do you have any idea?

27:45 Fischer Yeah. Who put me in jail? You mean what, the Japanese immigration?

27:52 Dr. Mayor No, I mean, is there any, you know, country want to put you in jail now?

27:59 Fischer Yeah, the US of course has an arrest warrant.

28:02 Dr. Mayor You mean to say the US government?

28:06 Fischer Yes. They have an arrest warrant for me since December the 15th, 1992. A federal arrest warrant they put out. They have an indictment against me and a federal arrest warrant for playing a match against Boris Spassky in Yugoslavia in the summer/fall of 1992.

28:29 Dr. Mayor I see.

28:30 Fischer See, so they want to put me in prison for ten years for that. The problem is, it’s not a deportable crime in other countries, you see. I never—after I played the match in Yugoslavia in 1992, right, and then a couple of months afterwards, the United States indicted me, but I was out of the country when they indicted me, you see. So they couldn’t get their hands on me, right. But the problem was they couldn’t extradite me back to the United States because nobody else considers playing chess—what I did—to be a crime.

29:06 In other words, to be a crime, I think it has to be a crime in both countries generally. You see, it cannot just be a crime in the United States. It has to be a crime in the country you’re in also for them to cooperate with the United States to send you back to the United States. You understand?

29:24 But it’s not. This is just nonsense. Playing chess, how is that a crime, right? So it’s total rubbish. And also, it’s not a law passed by Congress that playing chess in Yugoslavia is a crime. It was just an executive order signed by then President Bush, Senior, you see. So it never went through Congress. It’s actually illegal, you see, these executive orders. In other words, the President is trying to make laws just by signing a document that has not passed the Congress—you see, that’s not legal according to the Constitution.

30:00 Fischer This is like a vendetta also of his father, you see, Bush, Bush Junior, right, just like he has a vendetta against Saddam Hussein, right, for his father, remember? His father, I guess, regretted he didn’t go all the way to Baghdad to get Saddam Hussein in ’91. So his son did it ten years later—eleven years later. So now they do the same thing to me, you see. It’s all totally illegal, totally criminal. That so-called “crime” I committed in 1992—it’s not a crime anywhere else. They couldn’t extradite me because nobody else considers playing chess in Yugoslavia to be a crime. So they cooked up this fake immigration violation in Japan, a country which is basically occupied by them.

30:38 Fischer Did you hear about Cat Stevens the other day? He got deported from the US—sent back to England. And I thought that was very vicious. But he’s lucky. Cat Stevens—they didn’t put him in prison. The initial reports said he had given money to charities the US had designated as terrorist organisations. But he’s a Muslim convert, and it’s very interesting how the press lied about Cat Stevens. They were listing his hit songs, but they didn’t give his real hits—“Matthew and Son” and “Morning Has Broken.”

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[Continuation of f_28_1. Fischer is on the line for the first ten minutes; after his sign-off (at 09:38 below), the recording continues for a further  21 minutes of DZSR station advertisements in Tagalog (Springvine herbal supplements, employment-placement agencies, etc.) which are omitted here.]

00:06 Fischer Cat Stevens is from a Christian background, and he’s not a hateful person, basically. But of course, there’s nothing wrong with hating the United States. The United States is so goddamn evil.

00:21 Falcon Alright, Bob. Give your last message to the world and the Filipino people.

00:27 Fischer You know, this article in Time magazine, August 30, 2004—the Jews, every time they write about me, they are trying to knock my masculinity. And Bobby Ang, who is a CIA rat, also tried to knock my masculinity. Let me just read what they said in Time magazine.

01:15 “To the average lonely heart, Bobby Fischer—erstwhile chess champion, virulent anti-Semite, and fugitive from the US justice system—might not sound like Mr. Right. But to hear Miyoko Watai tell it, he’s a dreamboat.”

01:49 Now let me just say a few things about this. I want to tell this guy who wrote the article, Mr. Jim Frederick—I wear size 47 shoes in the German size, that’s 14 wide in American size.

02:08 Now did you see that movie with Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant a couple of years ago?

02:18 Falcon What’s the title of the movie?

02:20 Fischer I forget the name of the movie. Julia Roberts and Hugh Grant, made over in England. I forget—a certain part of town, something Park. Anyway, the point is, there’s a scene in there, it’s like a bedroom scene, and Julia Roberts is asking about shoe size, you know? Shoe size. And what that means—is it really true that shoe size and the size of your, you know-what, have a relationship?

02:48 Falcon Yeah, of course.

02:49 Fischer Right. Okay, just keep that in mind—I wear size 14 wide shoes.

02:55 Falcon Wow.

02:57 Fischer Yeah, just keep that in mind when you say I’m not a dreamboat, Mr. Right.

03:03 Let me just tell you a little anecdote. This is an absolutely true story. I don’t make things up. I’m not a goddamn liar like the Jews, okay? I don’t need to make things up, you know? Okay, let me just tell this anecdote.

03:16 This happened about two years ago. I was with Miyoko, and we went to a mineral-bath town. Now, normally we go to the mineral bath in the hotel, because we go to first-class hotels and they have very beautiful mineral baths in the hotel itself. But occasionally, just for variety, we’ll go to the public bath in the town, you see? Because it’s bigger, and sometimes they have more facilities.

03:43 And anyway, the men’s section and the women’s section are segregated. You have the men’s mineral-bath section and the women’s mineral-bath section. So Miyoko went into her women’s section, and I went into my men’s section.

03:58 Now, when you go in there, you’re stark naked, right? No loincloth, no nothing. So I’m in the men’s section of the mineral bath, and Miyoko’s in the women’s section, right? Now she’s real fast—she usually comes out in about half an hour, forty minutes. But I usually dilly-dally in there—I’m usually in for about an hour and a half or so. She comes out of the mineral bath in about forty minutes, and then she goes to a big lounge section where they have a TV, and you can get snacks, you can lie on the floor, you can sit in these sofas that vibrate your body and all kinds of stuff, right?

04:48 So she’s sitting out there waiting for me while I’m in the bath. And then she starts to listen to these two old guys—they don’t know she’s with me or anything, of course. She’s Japanese, right? So there’s these two old Japanese geezers sitting there talking to each other, and they say: “Hey, did you see that guy in the middle there? Did you see the size of his dick and his nuts? Oh my God, that guy’s really hung!” And they’re going on talking about this guy for like ten minutes, you know. And Miyoko is suspecting who they’re talking about. She’s very embarrassed.

05:30 And then I come out, and the two old geezers say: “Hey, that’s him! That’s him right now! Some guys have a lot of luck, you know.” This is the absolute truth story.

05:44 I like to tell these personal stories, but I have to defend myself from this kind of bullshit that the Jews are putting out. And I’ve got to tie it in with this nuclear radiation here. Because this can affect your potency. They want to make me impotent. Because they’re jealous. They are jealous of me in every way. They’re jealous of my talent. They’re jealous of my looks. They’re jealous of my potency. They’re jealous of my chess. They’re just jealous bastards.

06:24 I was reading an interview a couple of years ago with astrophysicists. They were talking about what is the strongest force in the universe. And one of them said, “I’ll give you a hint. It’s not gravity.” I said, “What is it?” He said, “Jealousy.” Jealousy. You know.

06:50 Falcon Okay, Mr. Bob. Alright, last message. Another message—do you have any message to make?

06:58 Fischer My last message is—they are ugly, they are jealous. I was over in Israel. I went to a change room a few times. I saw their penises. They are pitiful, they are small, they are just dry, you know—all of them circumcised. They’re just very sad. I understand they’re jealous, but I didn’t circumcise them. I didn’t mutilate them. Why do they blame me? They’re doing this to each other.

07:26 And also, you know, there’s a lot of talk now about the Catholic priests—how they’re abusing their parishioners, right, they’re being paedophiles and all this. I have never heard of a Catholic priest mutilating—sexually mutilating—a little baby boy. Have you? That’s only the Jews do that. The Jew rabbis do that. So don’t blame the—Jew rabbis are a hundred times worse than the Catholic priests. Okay.

08:01 Falcon So what is your advice to the Filipino chess players?

08:05 Fischer Filipinos? My advice is to give up chess and take up Fischer Random.

08:15 Falcon Alright. What can you say now, being the World Champion? Last parting message.

08:22 Fischer Well, I hope to get out of here alive and still in good physical condition, before this radiation poisoning takes its hold on me. And I want to play Fischer Random and complete my clock—my high-tech chess clock—and play with it. I still have a lot of things I want to do.

08:55 You have to protest this in front of the US Embassy, in front of the Japanese Embassy. You have to send letters. You have to do what you can to get me out of here. This is an outrage. Absolutely vicious.

09:07 And I noticed that Kasparov hasn’t said a word to get me out of here. He’s showing what a snake he is. And I don’t think Karpov has said a word either, so far as I know.

09:25 Falcon Alright. Thank you very much, Bobby.

09:29 Fischer Okay. You’re welcome. Thank you for giving me the time. Say hello to everybody, all my friends there in the Philippines.

09:38 Falcon Alright. Thank you very much. Bye bye.

29 Baguio, Philippines, December 31, 2004 ↑

[Fischer calls Bombo Radio, Baguio, on New Year’s Eve 2004 from the East Japan Immigration Centre in Ushiku. He has been in detention for nearly six months. This is his first call to Pablo Mercado since October 2 (Chapter 27). Fischer reports the most significant development of his case: Iceland has offered him residency. He also discusses a second nuclear accident near his detention centre, the death of Fernando Poe Jr., the Indian Ocean tsunami (December 26, 2004), and his New Year’s wishes.]

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00:16 Mercado We have on our line World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer. It’s been a long time since last we talked with Bobby. Bobby, how are you? It’s New Year’s Eve, 2004.

00:39 Fischer That’s right. I’m okay here, Pablo.

00:42 Mercado Where are you now?

00:43 Fischer I’m still imprisoned here in Japan. Going on six months soon.

00:48 Mercado Were there no developments on your case?

00:57 Fischer Well, I’ll tell you the development in a minute. But you remember I was telling you about the nuclear power plant?

01:07 Mercado Yes. You told me it was leaking.

01:22 Fischer On October 14, they had another accident there, which released a considerable amount of what they claim is only low-level radioactivity—but who the hell knows?

01:42 I have the article. It’s on my internet site: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. Fischer spelled F-I-S-C-H-E-R.

02:28 This can give you cancer later on. You feel nothing at the time, but later on, it kills you. That’s the terrible thing about nuclear power—you can’t smell it, you can’t taste it. You may not even be able to feel it when you get the dose. But later on, it inexorably kills you, and it kills you in a very horrible, painful way.

03:08 Mercado Did you protest being placed near the leaking nuclear power plant?

03:12 Fischer I have protested. I’ve asked to be transferred to another immigration detention centre. I made an application myself—they said no. Then I had my lawyer ask, and they have not answered. I’m willing to go anywhere in Japan just to get away from this leaking nuclear power plant. This can take ten, twenty years off your life.

03:46 Even if the charges were real, they have no right to bring me near a nuclear power plant.

04:06 I just found this out the last couple of days. I’ve been checking around, asking the other prisoners and some of the guards. You know what? I’m the oldest prisoner here. There are about 500 prisoners here—men and women—and I am the very oldest. There are four people here over 60. Two of them are 60, two are 61. I’m one of the 61-year-olds, but I’m a few months older than the next oldest person.

04:42 I am the oldest person here. The press doesn’t talk about that at all. Now, just imagine if I were a pet or an icon of the Jew world press—do you think they wouldn’t be talking about the fact that I’m the oldest person here? It would be front-page news. But because I’m not in with the Jews, I’m not in with the US, they’re ignoring that.

05:22 Mercado So whatever happened to the case? I thought they were going to bring you back to the States.

05:34 Fischer They arrested me on July 13. They claimed I entered the country illegally on April 15, 2004. Which is absolute baloney.

06:02 I mean, this is what the US said. They didn’t say that in the document where they accused me of entering the country illegally, right. But the US is claiming I entered illegally—they revoked my passport November 21, 2003. And then the Japanese were told this in a letter by Mr. McKeon of the US Embassy on June 8, 2004. But I was not told about any of this until I was arrested on July 13, 2004—that my passport had been revoked.

06:53 Now the point is, it’s totally trumped up because in November 21, 2003, where was I? I was in Switzerland, right. And I had just gotten 24 additional pages for my passport on November 6th—at the Swiss, at the US Embassy in Switzerland. So they knew I was in Switzerland, right. They did not notify the Swiss authorities. Then I went to Japan, and I left Japan again. They did not notify the Japanese authorities. I went to Hong Kong—they didn’t notify the Hong Kong authorities. I came back—they didn’t notify the Japanese authorities.

07:36 Suddenly, when I’m leaving on July 13, 2004, I’m arrested, and I’m told that my passport had been revoked on November 21, 2003—a long time before all this happened. They hadn’t notified the Swiss, they hadn’t notified the Japanese, they hadn’t notified Hong Kong, they hadn’t notified the press, they hadn’t notified me, they hadn’t notified anybody.

08:01 It’s like a secret revocation, but I’m supposed to be responsible for knowing something that nobody knew.

08:12 Mercado Bush is very inconsistent in his policies. He’s a liar, he’s a crook. But one thing he’s very consistent about—he wants to kill or imprison all of his enemies.

08:38 Fischer Yes, that includes me. Absolutely.

08:45 Mercado Still being held in the prison in Japan without any development?

08:55 Fischer There is a hopeful development, Pablo. Iceland has accepted me to have a residency permit there. To come there, to stay in Iceland. Iceland will let me enter. Even though I don’t have a passport anymore—because remember, within 24 hours of my arrest, the US government and the Japanese authorities had physically destroyed my passport. Punched holes through it and stamped “cancelled” one time on every page. And on the picture page, they stamped “cancelled” three times.

09:47 Mercado So are you going to take up that offer by Iceland?

09:50 Fischer Yes. I told them I accept, and I told my lawyer I accept, and I want to go there. But first—my deportation order, which the Japanese Minister of Justice signed a few months ago, is to deport me to the US. We went to court and blocked it. So now it’s tied up in court.

10:10 What I want to do is have the Japanese Ministry of Justice change my deportation order to Iceland instead of the US. And then we go to court and tell the court, “Okay, we drop our lawsuit against being deported, and they can deport me to Iceland.”

10:35 Or even better, they have something called “autonomous departure.” That’s where you just agree to leave the country to a certain country without being deported. Because when you’re deported, Pablo, there’s a penalty—you cannot come back to Japan for at least five years.

10:54 Mercado So is it possible? To ask them for autonomous departure?

11:03 Fischer I have asked. I said I prefer to go to Iceland autonomously. They say they’re studying it and they’ll let us know next year—I mean, after the holidays.

11:29 Mercado That’s good. I hope they give you a decision next month already.

11:52 Fischer They said everything is closed here until the fourth. Government offices reopen January 4.

12:06 Mercado I’m very sorry about Mr. Poe’s passing away.

12:10 Fischer Oh, yes. He was a very nice man. And I saw a movie—I think he played like the mayor of some city. Davao or someplace. And they were trying to kill him. That was a good movie. He was a great actor, and I think he was a very nice man.

12:48 Mercado What can you say about that disaster, the tsunami?

12:55 Fischer This is really unbelievable. The tragedy is that the people were not warned. If the people had been warned, I think nobody would have died, because they had a couple of hours.

13:08 That might not have happened to me so easily, because I’m always tuned into my radio. You remember? When I was in Baguio, I was listening to Bombo Radio a lot and other stations too. I’m usually glued to my radio.

13:43 Mercado Tomorrow’s the New Year. What’s your wish?

13:55 Fischer Well, let’s hope for peace in the New Year. Let’s hope the US and the Jews will change their ways. Let’s hope the Palestine problem will be cleared up, that all the Jews will leave Palestine, leave the Holy Land. They’re welcome in Russia, in the US—the world is the Jews’ oyster. They don’t need to stay in Palestine. They don’t belong there.

14:28 Let’s hope the US completely withdraws all their troops from Iraq and from all their bases all over the world. Let’s hope all the US so-called military advisers in the Philippines leave. Let’s hope they close down all their bases here in Japan, and close down their base in Keflavík, Iceland, and behave like a civilised country.

14:47 And let’s hope the US starts to pay reparations to the black people they brought over as slaves, and to the American Indians, and make preparations to give back what they call “the United States” to the American Indians.

15:12 Let’s hope for a world of peace and justice. And let’s hope for real nuclear disarmament. The US says Iran has no right to make an atom bomb because they signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty. But wait a second—the Non-Proliferation Treaty says the great powers are supposed to give up their nuclear weapons too. Don’t forget that.

15:39 It’s very dangerous in general to make any agreement with the US, because if you don’t keep your part, they’re going to go after you. But if they don’t keep their part—so what? Who are you to tell the US what to do?

15:59 And in general, don’t make any agreements with Jews. It’s the same with my book contracts with Simon & Schuster and all my contracts. They don’t have to keep their part, but you have to keep yours.

16:14 But anyway, I’m hoping for the Jews to turn over a new leaf. They’ve got to be reasonable, if only to save themselves. The world is in a terrible situation with all these nuclear power plants, nuclear bombs, pollution, wars, land mines everywhere.

16:51 I think the US should set a good example by destroying all their nuclear weapons. Unilaterally.

17:06 Mercado Bobby, despite the limitations, I wish you a good year ahead of you. Happy New Year to you.

17:13 Fischer Same to you, Pablo. Nice to talk to you.

17:21 Mercado Till next year.

17:23 Fischer Yes. Tomorrow is next year. This is New Year’s Eve, 2004. And just a few hours, it’s 2005.

17:36 Mercado Good night. Bye. Bless you.

17:39 Fischer Bye.

30 Manila, Philippines, January 17, 2005 ↑

[Fischer calls into DZRH Radio, Manila—the Manila Broadcasting Company—from the Ushiku Immigration Detention Centre in Japan. The veteran host is Chadeli, with GM Eugene Torre in the studio. It has been nearly five months since the August 2004 DZRH interview. Much of the broadcast concerns prison conditions, the passport case, Schwarzenegger, and Fischer’s sense that he is being treated more harshly than other public figures. Station breaks and cigarette/brandy advertisements have been condensed.]

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[Programme opens at 00:00 with the DZRH/Manila Broadcasting Company station ID (“Member Kapisanan ng mga Brodkaster ng Pilipinas”), introducing the KBP Lifetime Achievement Awardee broadcaster Tia Dely Magpayo. At 01:04 Chadeli opens the show in Tagalog (“Magandang gabi sa inyong lahat”) and notes that this is the start of the programme today, brought to you by More cigarettes. She welcomes back GM Eugene Torre after about five months.]

02:00 Torre Good evening, Chadeli. Thank you very much again for this opportunity. Good evening to our listeners. It’s been about five months since the last time we talked to Bobby Fischer, and unfortunately he is still in detention in Japan. One good development is that Iceland has already offered him residency.

02:49 Chadeli For those who didn’t hear the earlier story, can you tell us why he was detained in Japan?

03:04 Torre Because in 1992, when he played in Yugoslavia, he was charged by the US government with violating the UN sanctions. Bobby’s feeling is that he was singled out. Others of different nationalities were involved there too—Spassky, for example, by then French—wasn’t Spassky a Russian before?

03:48 Chadeli He was Russian before, but now he is French.

03:51 Torre Yes, French. And the arbiter was from Germany, and I am from the Philippines. And of course the others involved there were Americans as well. They were not given the blame—only him. So maybe out of frustration, out of anger, he continued, because he was singled out.

04:17 Chadeli Wait a minute. But in 1972, Bobby Fischer defeated the Russians—he was hailed as a hero in the United States. Why now?

04:36 Torre Bobby, are you there?

04:38 Fischer Yeah, yeah. But this is Ushiku Prison, not Tokyo. They call it a detention centre, but it’s a prison.

04:48 Chadeli It was Eugene who told me you were in Tokyo. How are you?

04:56 Fischer Well, I’m still alive.

05:00 Chadeli Is it true that Iceland has accepted you, should you have the chance to be released?

05:06 Fischer Yes. That is true.

05:08 Chadeli So you would be an Icelander?

05:11 Fischer A resident there. They’ve accepted me as a resident.

05:18 Chadeli And if the time came that you would play chess again, would you represent Iceland?

05:25 Fischer Well, I don’t play chess anymore. I play Fischer Random. Chess is dead—dead as a doornail.

05:39 Torre Fischer Random is his invention, and in my opinion it is a much, much better game—a thousand times better than old chess.

05:55 Fischer Excuse me—I can hardly hear both Eugene and Chadeli.

06:00 Chadeli I was asking Eugene about the game we are taught here as children—dama, checkers.

06:10 Torre Checkers.

06:25 Chadeli Will you please greet our listeners here in the Philippines, Bobby?

06:29 Fischer Sure. What is the name of your station again? DZRH? Okay. I want to say hello to all the listeners of DZRH in Manila, the Philippines.

06:54 Chadeli Nobody has beaten your record of thirteen straight wins.

06:59 Fischer Not just that—I was world champion. These other people are crooks. They prearrange everything. They’re imposters.

07:10 Torre So Bobby, how are you doing there in prison?

07:16 Fischer I’m very dizzy. I’ve been very dizzy the last two months. I’m dizzy right now as I’m talking to you.

07:23 Torre That’s bad. Are you getting enough sleep?

07:29 Fischer I don’t think so. The air-conditioning system here is terrible. There are all these vents in the ceiling. If they turn it up, the pressure and the noise are very strong. If they turn it off, you freeze. So it’s a bad choice either way. Also, I’m near a nuclear power plant. I found out it’s about forty-one miles away from here—sixty-six kilometres. It’s the Tokaimura plant, the one that had that massive accident in 1999. Japan’s Chernobyl. And they had another accident there on October 14, 2004, after I was brought here.

08:33 They said it was only a minor accident and low-level radiation. But if that’s really true, why did the press delay announcing it for three days, until October 17? Maybe they wanted to wait until the radiation dissipated.

08:48 Chadeli Bobby, Eugene tells me you want to talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger. Why?

08:58 Fischer I wanted to draw a comparison between Schwarzenegger and me. I have a clipping here from the Japan Times, Tuesday, November 9. It says Schwarzenegger sparked an embarrassing political scandal in 1998 when he arrived in Japan without a passport. He was allowed to enter by the Justice Minister, Nakamura, an avowed Schwarzenegger fan, who was forced to resign when it was revealed he had pocketed the application Schwarzenegger had filled out to enter the country and kept it as a souvenir.

09:50 So Schwarzenegger came to Japan without a passport—period. And they didn’t throw him in jail. They didn’t deport him. They didn’t even threaten him. But me? I came in with a perfectly valid passport and they’ve thrown me into prison for over six months. The difference is that Schwarzenegger is a Jew-ass-kisser, and I’m not. He plays the game. He wears the yarmulke, goes to Holocaust museums, supports the Wiesenthal people. That’s the difference between me and him.

11:08 Torre But many people are not like you, Bobby. Very few are.

11:20 Fischer Even my friends tell me, “Bobby, don’t talk against the Jews at least until you get out of jail.” But I can’t wait. I have to keep talking against these parasites. It’s like that song “Eve of Destruction” by Barry McGuire.

11:36 Torre How does it go?

11:39 Fischer From ’65. Don’t you remember that? It goes: “I can’t quit the truth. It knows no regulation. A handful of senators don’t pass legislation when human respect is disintegrating. This whole crazy world is just too frustrating. And you tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend—no, you don’t believe we’re on the eve of destruction. No, no, you don’t believe we’re on the eve of destruction.”

12:17 Torre Bobby?

12:17 Fischer No, let me just finish—this is cute, this is good. “Don’t you understand what I’m trying to say? Can’t you feel the fears I’m feeling today? If the button is pushed, there’s no running away. There’ll be no one to save with the world in a grave. Take a look around you, boy—it’s bound to scare you, boy. And you tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend—now, you don’t believe we’re on the eve of destruction. No, no, you don’t believe we’re on the eve of destruction.”

12:50 Chadeli Hello, Bobby. Yeah, yeah—we are on the internet. Okay. They might be hearing your singing.

12:59 Chadeli Just a moment. We’ll just go on a short break, okay?

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15:04 Fischer Yeah, hi. I just wanted to say something. I listened to that brandy advertisement, you know, and I can’t get any alcohol in here, which I think is also bad for my health. I say that quite seriously, because I think alcohol in moderation is very good for your health. It has a kind of a cleansing effect on your body, antiseptic effect. It has many benefits. It’s good for your heart and so on. So that’s also detrimental to my health.

15:31 Chadeli Especially, Bobby, I think a moderation of alcohol is good when you are getting old.

15:59 Torre Earlier you mentioned something else—I was curious about the prisoners there. Are they old? Young?

16:10 Fischer Mainly in their thirties and forties, from what I’ve seen. Some in their twenties. But I’ve now had it verified by the guards: I am the oldest prisoner here in the whole prison. There are some five hundred prisoners here, men and women, and I am the oldest. The press keeps quiet about that because they don’t want to create sympathy for me.

16:58 Chadeli Before we end this part, could you say again what Fischer Random is?

17:05 Fischer It’s real chess. The other thing is too easy to prearrange now.

17:18 Chadeli Yes, I understand, but I do not call you old, because Eugene has been showing me pictures of you, and you look very young.

17:29 Fischer Yeah, no, I don’t consider myself old either. But the fact is, I am the oldest prisoner here—that’s a fact. And considering, nowadays, 61 isn’t as old as it used to be, you know.

17:43 Chadeli And considering that you could not even have a moderation of alcohol—is that required when you play Fischer Random? Less of this, less of that. Careful with that.

18:06 Fischer Well, yeah—of course, Chadeli, when you engage in any competitive sport or game, you have to try to be at your best.

18:19 Chadeli By the way, Bobby—one time you told me to check this, and I saw this write-up, and they referred to you as a “former grandmaster.”

18:35 Fischer Oh, yes. This is a new campaign, apparently, of the Jews to take away even my grandmaster title. They religiously do not refer to me as the World Chess Champion. They always refer to me as the “former world champion” or “ex-world champion.” But now that’s become old hat for them, and now they’re starting to refer to me as a “former grandmaster.” And I have several clippings right in front of me. Here’s one from the Japan Times, September 9, 2004. And it says: “Fischer wins temporary injunction against deportation amid pending suit.” And this is a Reuters story: “Fugitive former chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer stayed one step ahead of US authorities Wednesday when he won a delay in efforts to deport him from Japan.”

19:38 And I have another one—let’s see, this is quite similar. This is from the Asahi Shimbun, also of September 9, 2004: “Fischer Wins Deportation Delay.” And it says, “Former chess grandmaster Bobby Fischer stayed one move ahead of US authorities,” et cetera. And I have another one just recently—this is from the Japan Times of December 18, 2004, and they say: “Lawyer Demands Fair Treatment, Deportation to Iceland for Fischer.” Then it says later in the article: “With deportation looming, Iceland announced Wednesday it would offer residency to the 61-year-old former chess”—rather, “former grandmaster.” Just “former grandmaster.”

20:44 Chadeli That’s funny, Bobby, because in my decades of playing and participation, I’ve never seen, like, when you are writing chess stories, a grandmaster being referred to as a former grandmaster.

20:59 Fischer Yeah. Like, for example, you would probably remember if they had called you a former grandmaster, right? Have you ever been called a former grandmaster in print that you can think of?

21:10 Chadeli No, I could not think of, uh…

21:14 Fischer Because my understanding is, for example, FIDE—they say that’s for life.

21:21 Now I can only think of one example. I think when they did do this, this was when I beat Mark Taimanov back in, I think it was ’71. I beat him six–zero. When he went back to Russia…

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[Continuation after the break. The discussion returns to chess titles, the passport case, and the claim that Fischer was never properly notified of any revocation.]

00:00 Fischer In Russia they had their own titles. Sometimes a title could be taken away as a punishment. So this also ties in with my case. It’s another kind of punishment. They can’t really take my grandmaster title away, but in the press they’re trying to take it away in terms of prestige. First I was “former world champion.” Next I suppose they’ll call me “former grandmaster.” The next thing will be “former human being.”

00:31 Chadeli They already call you former world champion.

00:34 Fischer They’ve been saying that since 1975. But they don’t say “former world champion” in the same way about everyone else.

00:50 Torre Pretty soon they’ll say “former American.”

00:54 Fischer Yes—former American too. Although the US government says they don’t accept my renunciation because it wasn’t done “the legal way.”

01:02 Chadeli Is it alright if I read some text messages to you? We are being heard all over the Philippines and around the world. One listener asks: is it true that the Russians have chess as a subject in school?

01:19 Fischer I don’t think so as a regular subject, at least not exactly. But under the Soviet system everybody played, and then if they found you had talent they gave you every opportunity to advance.

01:48 Chadeli Another message asks: what is the reason you are detained in Japan?

01:57 Fischer That’s a very good question, because the press is lying about it. They claim that I entered Japan illegally on April 15, 2004. I have the actual notice in front of me. It says that the landing permission granted to me on April 15, 2004, was cancelled retrospectively as of the date of landing because I was supposedly not in conformity with Article 7, paragraph 1, item 1 of the Immigration Control Act. And if you look at the law, what it says is that the passport possessed by the alien and the visa affixed thereto must be valid. So they are claiming my passport was not valid when I entered on April 15.

03:05 The US State Department says they revoked my passport on November 21, 2003. But that is an absolute lie. After that date I travelled from Switzerland to Japan, then to Hong Kong, then to Macau, back to Hong Kong, back to Japan. None of those countries had been notified. They didn’t notify me, they didn’t notify the press, they didn’t notify the airlines, they didn’t notify anybody. But now they want to hold me guilty for knowing something that nobody knew. It’s absurd.

05:23 Chadeli But in some of the write-ups, Bobby, they said that they could not notify you because they didn’t know your address.

05:31 Fischer Yeah, that’s all rubbish too. We’ll get into that. But first, let me just show how much I travelled after they claim they revoked my passport, okay? This is the travel itinerary, my travel itinerary after my passport was allegedly revoked on November 21st, 2003.

05:48 At that time, I was in Switzerland. I stayed in Switzerland until December 16th. Then I departed December 16th, 2003. Then I went to Tokyo, Japan.

06:02 Number two, I arrived in Tokyo, Japan on December 17th, 2003. Number three, departed Tokyo, Japan on March 14th, 2004 for Hong Kong. Number four, arrived Hong Kong March 14th, 2004. Number five, departed Hong Kong April 4th, 2004 for Macau. Number six, arrived Macau April 4th, 2004. Number seven, departed Macau April 4th, 2004 for Hong Kong. Number eight, arrived Hong Kong April 5th, 2004. Number nine, departed Hong Kong April 15th, 2004 for Tokyo, Japan. Number ten, arrived Tokyo, Japan April 15th, 2004. Number eleven, now, I was about to depart Tokyo on July 13th, and they even stamped my exit visa. And then they arrested me after they stamped my exit visa.

#	Date	Movement
—	21 November 2003	US State Department claims Fischer’s passport revoked.
		Fischer is in Switzerland; not notified.
1	16 December 2003	Departs Switzerland
2	17 December 2003	Arrives Tokyo
3	14 March 2004	Departs Tokyo for Hong Kong
4	14 March 2004	Arrives Hong Kong
5	4 April 2004	Departs Hong Kong for Macau
6	4 April 2004	Arrives Macau
7	4 April 2004	Departs Macau for Hong Kong
8	5 April 2004	Arrives Hong Kong
9	15 April 2004	Departs Hong Kong for Tokyo
10	15 April 2004	Arrives Tokyo
11	13 July 2004	Exit visa stamped at Narita Airport for flight to Manila
		—then arrested.

[Fischer’s eleven-leg post-revocation travel itinerary as dictated in the audio above. Across nearly eight months and four jurisdictions (Switzerland, Japan, Hong Kong, Macau) none of the local authorities had been notified that the US considered Fischer’s passport invalid—and Fischer himself was not notified until the moment of arrest at Narita on 13 July 2004. This is the factual core of his legal defence: that the November 2003 “revocation” was either fictitious or retroactive, and the arrest pretextual.]

06:48 Okay, so during the period when they claim they had revoked my passport, I was travelling from Switzerland to Japan to Hong Kong to Macau, back to Hong Kong, back to Japan, and I was in Japan several months, right. Then I was arrested. Okay, so obviously none of these countries had been notified that my passport was allegedly revoked, right?

07:16 Chadeli Right. Bobby?

07:17 Fischer I’m just going to finish one more thing.

07:19 Chadeli No, no, we’ll go back to that, Bobby, so that you can scan your notes there, huh? Okay.

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09:31 Chadeli Bobby? Hello? You can proceed now.

09:34 Fischer I can hardly hear you, Eugene.

09:36 Chadeli You can proceed now, please.

09:37 Fischer Okay—so then I was arrested on July 13 after they gave me the exit stamp in my passport, right? Okay, so I’ve been travelling around all these countries. This is like eight months, almost eight months after they claimed they had revoked my passport. They hadn’t notified any of these countries until then, right? They didn’t notify me, they didn’t notify the press. Nobody knew about it, but they’re holding me guilty—claiming I entered Japan illegally. It’s totally absurd.

10:11 Furthermore, now it has come out that they even had my address all along. They had my P.O. Box 50917, Pasadena, CA 91115, USA. They had this because when I filled out my passport application in 1997 to get my passport in Zurich, rather than Bern, Switzerland, I wrote it down there. And that address is still working today—it’s still valid today.

10:45 Chadeli Yeah, I saw it, Bobby. I downloaded it on your website.

10:49 Fischer Yeah. I have plenty of mail that’s coming there.

10:52 Chadeli So how come they did not notify you through that address?

10:56 Fischer Because they’re lying. They did not revoke my passport November 21. They did not send this letter of December 11 from the Manila Embassy to me. They’re simply lying. And if you notice that letter, it has no address on it. Right? It just has “Embassy of the United States of America, Manila, Philippines.” It doesn’t have my address at all. They never sent any letter to me. They never tried to send any letter. Everything was made up after they arrested me—all this alleged documentation: this letter from the Philippines, and this letter that they claim they wrote on June 8 to the Japanese immigration.

11:47 Chadeli Because, according to the law, or legally, you should be notified, no?

11:53 Fischer Yes, and also I have a right to appeal. It’s not even final, the revocation, until you appeal. You have 60 days to appeal. And now they admit—in the letter of August 11 that Mr. McKeon wrote to the Japanese immigration—they admit they didn’t notify me. It’s totally made up. The press is simply lying that I got caught trying to leave Narita International Airport for an airplane to the Philippines with an invalid passport. It’s all made up. And also—why did they destroy my passport within 24 hours after they arrested me on July 13, 2004?

12:38 Chadeli It’s very clear, Bobby. Totally illegal. Very illegal. And there is really a big discrepancy with the treatment you got compared to the now Governor Schwarzenegger, no?

12:50 Fischer Oh, yeah—it’s day and night.

12:54 And I want to say something else to all these people who are coming to Japan. Jimmy Cliff—who’s a great singer, and he has a lot of songs with very high moral content, right? “The Harder They Come, the Harder They Fall” and “I Can See Clearly Now,” and many other great songs. And I think Brad Pitt just came in here, Schwarzenegger came in here again recently. So many celebrities are constantly coming to Japan because it’s a lucrative market for singing concerts and to promote their movies, and also they do advertisements for various drinks like health tonics and so on. They come in here as if this is a legitimate country, when this government here has kidnapped me. They have kidnapped me for six months, and they brutalised me. When they kidnapped me, they injured my teeth. I almost was killed. This country is completely corrupt. Koizumi is a war criminal. He should be hung.

14:00 Chadeli Bobby—with all the things that have happened these past six months, why is it that you have the freedom to call us here in the Philippines and say all the things you want to say?

14:15 Fischer Well, that’s the way they do it here. They let the prisoners make phone calls virtually at will. You have to ask for permission—obviously you’re locked in your cell after 4:30 at night. But they just let you out. I mean, so far they haven’t restricted my phone calls.

14:34 Chadeli I suppose, according to Eugene, you have your own Japanese attorneys there?

14:39 Fischer Yes, I have three Japanese attorneys, and I have an American attorney who volunteered his services free of charge—Mr. Batswani.

14:47 Chadeli And what do they say now about your case?

14:52 Fischer Well, everybody says it’s totally illegal what the Japanese and the Americans have done. It’s just totally illegal.

14:59 Chadeli What happened to your last request for provisional release?

15:03 Fischer Oh, yes—that was turned down. That was just turned down around late December.

15:09 Chadeli How many requests have you already asked for provisional release?

15:13 Fischer I have made three. All of them have been turned down.

15:17 Chadeli The reasons?

15:19 Fischer No, they don’t give a reason. They don’t have to give any reasons. And they don’t even have to reply to your request. That’s the incredible thing about the legal system here—I mean, the so-called legal system. They don’t have to do anything, you know. They don’t have to give any reason. Nothing.

15:33 Chadeli There is another text message here, Bobby, for you. It’s in Filipino, but I’ll translate it into English. This came from Ernesto B. Ang of Solano, Nueva Vizcaya—it’s in northern Philippines. It says: “If time comes, they would want you to live here in the Philippines.”

16:00 Fischer Who would want me to live in the Philippines? What?

16:02 Chadeli Ernesto B. Ang of Solano, Nueva Vizcaya.

16:06 Fischer He’d like me to live in the Philippines?

16:07 Chadeli Yes.

16:07 Fischer Oh, that’s nice. Thank you, Ernesto. Yeah.

16:12 Chadeli Would you like to live in the Philippines or Iceland?

16:16 Fischer Or maybe both. (laughs)

16:20 Chadeli Okay, go ahead.

16:23 Torre Well, Bobby—you know, this, what Iceland did, offering residency, I believe, Bobby, it was a very courageous act.

16:36 Fischer Talk a little louder, Eugene, please.

16:38 Torre I believe, Bobby, it was a very courageous act.

16:40 Fischer Yes, yes, I appreciate it very much. These are good people, the Icelanders. They’re really stand-up people, you know.

16:50 Torre Okay, Bobby, in my talks to you, I noticed that you are quite a lover of nature, you know. As much as possible, you would like to protect the environment.

17:02 Fischer Yes.

17:02 Torre And that’s why you are quite unhappy about this nuclear power plant, right?

17:08 Fischer Right.

17:09 Torre Maybe the US should appoint you as Secretary of the Department of Environment and Natural Resources. (laughter) But you mentioned to me about this—the one in Indonesia, I think…

17:24 Fischer Oh, yes. You know, this is really an absolutely horrific case. I don’t know if I mentioned this in the last program or not, Chadeli—have you heard about this case in Indonesia? In Buyat Bay, on Sulawesi Island? What about this American company called Newmont Mining Corporation? They’re the world’s largest gold-mining company, the world’s largest gold producer, and they have polluted Buyat Bay. They went in there some years ago to mine gold near Buyat Bay in Indonesia. And they have polluted the bay there with five million tons of tailings…

[18:25–20:14 Fischer breaks off to pass the phone to a Filipino fellow detainee at Ushiku, who exchanges greetings in Tagalog with Eugene Torre on the air; the detainee says he has been in the detention centre for two years.]

20:20 Fischer So this Newmont company—they deposited some five million tons of mine waste about half a mile offshore over the life of the mine. They pumped some 2,000 tons a day of mine waste called tailings into the bay at a relatively shallow depth, half a mile offshore. Newmont released 33 tons of mercury into the air and the water. They also pumped arsenic into the water. There’s a huge amount of pollution. A human rights group says 30 people have already died there in this little Buyat Bay village.

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[Final segment. Fischer compares his own treatment with other international cases, then comments on Prince Harry, Larry Evans, and the wider press treatment of him.]

00:00 Fischer … and the rest are sick—they’re dizzy, they have tumours, and so on. Newmont is based in Denver, Colorado. And they said, “Oh, all the people there—they just have malnutrition and poor sanitation. That’s why they’re sick, you know.”

00:18 Chadeli Well, Bobby—anyway, this is par for the course, right, Eugene?

00:22 Fischer What?

00:23 Chadeli This is par for the course for these corporate polluters, these corporate criminals, right?

00:28 Fischer This is basically, you know, this has happened over and over.

00:33 But the reason I’m bringing it up is—this was such a scandal that created such a furor in Indonesia that they actually arrested the five top executives, senior executives, of Newmont Mining in Indonesia. And then, see, they arrested them. They were in a Jakarta jail since September 22, 2004.

01:00 But then Ralph Boyce, the US Ambassador to Indonesia, met with President Megawati Sukarnoputri on September 27 to object to the detention of the five US executives. And he said, “We are concerned about our people,” Boyce told reporters at the Presidential Palace. Boyce said that he believed a solution would be found. So the executives were still in prison as of October 8, 2004, but they were released at the time of a November 10, 2004 International Herald Tribune article. See? So they served, at the very most, maybe seven or eight weeks—but they may have only been in prison two or three weeks, you see?

01:43 Chadeli Oh, okay. Okay, Bobby.

01:44 Fischer But here’s the point—let me finish. Here’s the point. After I had been in prison for three months, right—the US Embassy here said that US Embassy officials denied Fischer was being treated unfairly. So after I’d been in prison three months, the US government is happy. Right? But these guys, who are accused of murder and a terrible pollution case, pumping mercury into the air and into the water, and arsenic also into the water, believe it or not—five million tons of waste into the water, half a mile off the coast—okay, but the US got them out, sprung them, right?

02:34 Chadeli Okay, we got the point, Bob.

02:35 Fischer No, but there’s just one other little point I want to follow up to that. You know, if you don’t think that Indonesia will be able to extradite—one of those five executives is an American citizen, see?

02:51 Chadeli Okay, Bobby. We have to take a short break again, okay?

[Commercial break: Hope cigarettes jingle (“There’s a light of hope, cool and fresh, share and enjoy that great home freshness—Hope, the largest-selling luxury cigarette. Government warning: cigarette smoking is dangerous to your health”). Then Tagalog programme break, “and we continue with our conversation with Bobby Fischer, grandmaster of grandmasters around the world.” Line to Japan drops out.]

03:42 Chadeli Bobby? Hello, Bobby? Maybe he was cut off.

03:50 Chadeli Yes, in the meantime…

04:02 Torre Okay—it’s good that we have this opportunity, because before, ah, it’s very hard to interview Bobby. He very much gives importance to his privacy. But I think the main reason was that somewhere in the middle ’80s—1980s—he wrote an open letter to the Judaica Encyclopaedia…

04:33 Chadeli To?

04:33 Torre … the Judaica Encyclopaedia. It means a dictionary, a list of names of Jewish achievers who had done extraordinary achievements or feats. And he was included there, and in his open letter he asked them to remove his name.

05:10 Chadeli Why?

05:10 Torre Because I think he did not want to be considered a Jew. So, but because they say that he’s also a Jew, right? So maybe, I think, the Jewish group were upset that he did that one. And I think that’s why in 1992, in Yugoslavia, when he played for the world championship there against Boris Spassky, he was singled out by the US government, threatening to arrest him and put him in jail in case he proceeds to play the match, which he did.

05:55 Chadeli Because Yugoslavia is under sanction, right? UN sanction at the time.

05:57 Torre But everybody was not threatened by their own government—like me. I went there as a second, also. It was okay. And Spassky also, it was okay. And then the arbiter, who is a German, it was okay also for the German government.

06:19 Chadeli Hello, Bobby?

06:20 Fischer Yeah, hi.

06:21 Chadeli What happened?

06:23 Fischer Oh, I got disconnected. I get disconnected. Every time you do a commercial, I get disconnected.

06:31 Torre Yeah—so, okay, you can go to the point, Bobby, because we have…

06:34 Fischer Yeah, just one more minute. The point is, Indonesia should not expect to get that American guy that they released from prison back. They shouldn’t expect America to extradite him back to Indonesia. Because if you remember the Bhopal industrial accident, where tens of thousands of people were killed and injured—the worst industrial accident in the history of the world. You know, terrible accident.

07:03 Anyway, it says that India’s courts have tried to pursue justice for Bhopal, but they have been thwarted. In 1991, an Indian court ordered Union Carbide officials, including Warren Anderson, the chief executive at the time of the disaster, to face criminal charges. After Anderson and the other defendants failed to appear, India’s Supreme Court named them “proclaimed absconders”—that is, fugitives from justice—and pressed for their extradition, that is, from the States. See? After sitting on the extradition request for years, the US State Department refused it without an explanation in September of 2004. This is from an article in the International Herald Tribune of December 4–5, 2004, entitled “The Bhopal Disaster: Still Avoiding Justice Two Decades Later,” by Mark Hertsgaard.

[The Bhopal disaster of December 1984—a leak of methyl isocyanate gas from a Union Carbide pesticide plant in India—killed several thousand people and injured hundreds of thousands. Warren Anderson, the company’s chief executive, was briefly arrested in India and then left the country; an Indian court declared him a fugitive, the United States never extradited him, and he died a free man in 2014: https://www.britannica.com/event/Bhopal-disaster.]

07:57 Chadeli Okay, Bobby.

07:58 Fischer So—can you imagine the incredible discrepancy in the way the US government is treating these other cases than me?

08:10 Chadeli Yeah, that’s right. Very clear, Bobby. Now we got the point.

08:19 Chadeli Well, I’m very impressed with you, Bobby, because considering that you are in prison there, you are still thinking of the environment.

08:28 And, Bobby, I hear that you are also interested in news of the world, like Prince Harry dressing up like a Nazi.

08:38 Fischer Oh yes, yes. You know, I was very happy to hear that because it shows that he’s not all tied up in knots about this alleged Holocaust of the Jews during World War II, which never happened. It’s a complete hoax. But he apologised, of course. He’s under pressure. But obviously it’s not a big part of his life thinking day and night about this phony Holocaust story, right?

08:50 Torre So you can read anything there and watch anything?

08:51 Fischer Well, no. If a friend of yours like my friend Miyoko, she brings me the newspapers all the time.

09:30 Chadeli Okay, Bobby. We have to go to your friend now—because, you know, Larry Evans, your friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he wrote a very long article lately, although he wrote also an article in 1992 after your match with Spassky. So I don’t know—this is very long, no? “Will Fischer Win the Endgame of His Life?”

10:10 Fischer Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have to… Just a second here.

10:32 I just wanted to mention a few of the things that he said here, go through a few of these unbelievable statements he made.

10:42 Torre By the way, Grandmaster Larry Evans was also a former US champion.

10:48 Fischer Right. You have the article in front of you, Eugene? Yeah. Okay. I just want to mention a few of the things. I guess we don’t have hardly any time now, huh?

11:00 Well, just trying to think—with so little time, let’s just take a look at this statement about the movie—not—rather, about… okay, let’s get into this circumcision stuff, okay.

11:28 Torre Bobby? You were asking me about this: “Bobby asked me and my wife if we would drive him back to New York at that time.”

11:35 Fischer Oh, that. Yeah, yeah. You know, he says, you see, we were driving. He drove me back from Montreal, right down to New York. And he’s talking about that in here. I was just like around thirteen, see? So I remember we went into a restaurant, and he had his girlfriend with him. In the article he calls her his wife, but I thought she was his girlfriend.

12:00 Anyway, Evans was very interested in sex in those days. He was talking about these sweet young things—these chicks, you know, these beautiful babes. So finally, his girlfriend says: “Larry, what would you do if one of those sweet young things—those beautiful babes—came up to you and offered herself to you and said, ‘Leave your meal and run away with her’? What would you do, Larry?” And he said: “My dear, I’d drop you like a hot potato.” That’s what he told his girlfriend.

12:34 Now I want to find this part here. Oh yeah—this is interesting here. We have a little time now, Bobby. Yeah, okay, I just want to mention. Okay, here, he says, “Another sign…” Wait, wait, wait, wait—where is that place about… oh yeah, yeah, the Jews hated elephants. Okay, this is the part, right.

13:09 Fischer reads from Evans’s article “In the press accounts of Bobby’s arrest in Tokyo, there has been much said about his anti-Semitic remarks. In one of his radio interviews, he went so far as to say that Jews hated elephants. The friendly interviewer giggled, and Bobby quickly insisted that he was speaking seriously. How do you explain such anti-Semitism from a man whose parents were both Jews? GM Evans: Actually, I have that interview right in front of me. And you’re right, you have to giggle. It shows just how nutty he is. Bobby says: ‘I think the Jews want to drive the elephants to extinction because the trunk of the elephant reminds them of an uncircumcised penis.’ Interviewer laughs. ‘No, really, I am absolutely serious about that. They don’t do anything to stop the encroachment on nature that the elephant needs to survive. Jews are sick. They are mental cases. Circumcision is an absolute crime. The Jews say they know better than millions of years of evolution.’ ”

14:07 Of course I can’t find the exact words of my interviews, because I don’t have the access to my interviews here, you see.

14:14 But here’s the point. Did you see that movie Lord of the Rings, Eugene?

14:19 Torre Right.

14:21 Fischer Did you see the unheard-of cruelty that they depicted to those huge elephants? They were shooting arrows through the elephants’ legs, and they were coming out the other end. I thought that was unbelievable brutality. And then the elephants would fall down after they were shot in the leg.

15:07 Chadeli Okay, Bobby, so together with your parting words, you always talk negatively about the US, right? Well, but you have at least the freedom that you are enjoying. At least you had this before—you had the freedom from the US.

15:28 Fischer Oh, that’s true. It’s true. You know, for example, let’s say you’re on death row in the US, right. And you’re sentenced to die, right. You can appeal, right, or you cannot appeal, right. And then when the time comes for your execution, you can choose maybe the way you want to be executed. There are five different ways to be executed in America. There’s lethal injection, electrocution, lethal gas, hanging, firing squad. And then you have more freedoms even then. You can invite who you want to the execution, right—you can invite your mother, your friends, your wife, right, maybe your children, if they’re old enough. And then you have another freedom: you can make a final statement or not. And then you can have more freedom—you can just say, “I want to be cremated” or “I want to be buried.” And then you can even say where you want to be buried. I mean, you have so many rights and privileges in America.

16:29 Chadeli But that’s not so good freedom, Bobby. That was a bad example, Eugene.

16:34 Fischer I gave a bad example. I’ll come next time, I’ll give a better example of what a great country America is, okay.

16:41 Torre Okay—and Bobby, I hope this kind of freedom will not happen to you, Bobby. That’s too much.

16:51 Torre By the way, your last message, Bobby?

16:54 Fischer My last message—it’s very nice to talk to you again, Eugene, and very nice to talk to Tia Dely. I hope Tia Dely does her radio programme for many more years.

17:08 Chadeli Thank you, Bobby. I hope next time I will be talking to you here in person in the studio.

17:15 Fischer Okay. Thank you. Bye-bye.

[Hope cigarettes commercial and government smoking warning.]

17:59 Chadeli We have a recent text message—a fan asking about your days in RM High. Can you narrate your blow-by-blow match with Zoltán Ribli?

18:10 Torre Maybe next time. He was my opponent in the quarterfinal Candidates when I qualified for the World Championship in 1982. He’s from Hungary. Unfortunately, I lost that quarterfinal match against him.

18:30 Chadeli So next time, then.

18:39 Torre Well, in a way, actually—as I was explaining earlier, Bobby remained quiet for years after that one open letter and after he was singled out by the US. But then, when the Bekins auction happened and he lost all his prized belongings and memorabilia, he was very angry after that.

19:08 Chadeli Well, I’m flattered.

19:33 Torre On his behalf.

19:39 Chadeli Very democratic. Thank you very much, Eugene. To our programme coordinators, associate producers, and technical staff at DZRH on behalf of Tia Dely—thank you to you, and most of all, to all of you listeners.

[Programme closes with Tagalog/English farewells, music, and station outro.]

31 Manila, Philippines, February 19, 2005 ↑

[Fischer again calls into Manila radio from the Ushiku Immigration Detention Centre. This time the programme is “Mid Evening with the Beatles” on DZSR Sports Radio 918. Benjie hosts, with GM Eugene Torre in the studio. The show is looser and more pop-cultural than the formal DZRH interviews, mixing prison updates with discussion of films, celebrities, music, religion, and memory. Station jingles, music promos, and advertisement copy have been condensed.]

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[Programme introduction. Benjie and Torre recall Fischer’s earlier in-studio visits to Manila and note that he has now been in detention for roughly eight months.]

00:46 Torre It’s nice to see you once again, Benjie.

00:52 Benjie Likewise, Eugene. I’m glad we’ve met and that we’re talking again. [They chat briefly in Tagalog about facing a Grandmaster.]

01:25 Benjie Alumnus Bobby Fischer on Philippine Radio DZRH—of course, as a prelude to our chit-chat with him in a little while, live and direct from Japan. How is Bobby now, Eugene?

01:44 Torre Well, actually it’s been eight months now in Japan, since the time he was, shall we call it, arrested.

01:58 Benjie No, he was arrested. Now he’s in prison in Japan?

02:02 Torre Yes, in Ushiku, Ibaraki Prefecture. They call it a detention centre. I think it’s in the east of Japan. But he himself would word it as he was kidnapped first and then now detained. That was eight months ago already—almost. Or he’s already on his eighth month.

02:41 Benjie Detained in Japan. I saw him in the flesh, you know—he came here in the studio, we interviewed him. The first time we had our interview with Bobby Fischer, he was here in the flesh. What I wonder is why he left the Philippines for Japan, only to be detained there.

03:18 Torre That was a miscalculation. He thought in Japan he would be safer, or that Japan would not somehow cooperate so easily with the United States. So I think he had a miscalculation.

03:43 Benjie This is a little political. I mean, I know of more other countries that could somehow give him the chance to roam around than Japan. Because Japan is practically an ally of the United States.

04:01 Torre That’s right.

04:05 Benjie Everything is fresh here. (in Tagalog) Or, you know, if what was done to him was really wrong… I’m not opposed to him if he was completely in the wrong. But I know the root cause why he became like this—there is, in my opinion, somehow injustice done to him.

04:40 You know what, Eugene, I believe as a human being I feel there is injustice being done to him. Sometimes we are too small to be fighting giants. Bobby fought giants over the board, and it seems he is still fighting a giant now.

05:20 Benjie Bobby, welcome back. This is Mid Evening with the Beatles. I don’t know if you’re a Beatles fan, but I know you’re definitely a fan of music. How are you tonight?

05:46 Fischer So-so. I’m here in prison—kidnapped by these Japs. How are you doing, Benjie?

05:57 Benjie I’m doing okay. Eugene and I are having a wonderful chat here about the good times perhaps we shared when you were physically here in the country, when we first interviewed you many years back. (aside in Tagalog: Eugene doesn’t remember it at all—I don’t know why.) Well, how is it out there, Bob? Is it daytime? No, it’s not daytime out there—it’s evening. Eugene, go ahead, you can now speak to Bobby.

06:33 Torre Yeah, how are you, Bobby?

06:39 Fischer Quite tired. I’m not sleeping too well. Last night I was furious. I was banging on my cell door with my feet.

06:54 Benjie How are they treating you out there, Bob?

06:57 Fischer They’re just keeping me here for absolutely no reason.

07:04 Benjie Have you been eating well? Have you been gaining weight? Have you been eating sushi?

07:10 Fischer I’ve lost weight. The other night I was looking closely at one of these prison guards—his hair, his face, his mouth, his nose—and I said to myself, “My God, this guy is queer.” So I started needling him about it. And the next morning I did it again. Finally he admitted he was gay. Then I started asking him about the others. He said they were all gay.

08:09 Benjie Why don’t you just challenge him to a chess match or something?

08:13 Fischer So then I said to him, “Are you a homo?” He says, “I am gay.” I was amazed that he would admit this, you know. Then I started to remember—all the guards here are like very passive and kind of sweet, you know. So I started to say to him, “What about the other guards? What percentage of them are gay?” He says, “All of them.” And I said, “What about Kai?”—he’s the guy who takes me to the visiting room all the time, he’s super sweet. I said, “Is Kai gay?” “Who is Kai?” “You know, takes me to the visitors’ room. The guy who used to take me there.” “Yes, he’s gay. Everybody here is gay.” I started studying them, you know, all homo guards. This country is sick. And then I was asking the Filipino here, he’s another one of the prisoners—he’s telling me like fifty, sixty percent of the people here are queer in Japan, you know.

09:23 Benjie Anyway, Bob, you’re probably enjoying a bottle of sake out there with someone—no, you’re not?

09:30 Fischer No, I haven’t had a drink in eight months, since I’ve been here. No, I’m sober. I’m completely sober, stone cold sober. This is true. I’ve been dividing up these Japanese men into four categories. First, you’ve got the unisex men—they don’t have any sex at all, they’re like on the level of a kind of a sexless nine-year-old girl. They cry easily and so on. They’re not into sex, period. You see a lot of them on TV. Then the next group is the bisexual Japanese men. The third group is the purely homosexual Japanese men. And then the last group is the straight men.

10:23 Also, I asked this guard, I said, “You know, don’t you want…” He says, “Don’t you like women? What’s wrong with women?” Yes, he said. I said, “Don’t you want any children?” He says, “Yes.” “You like women?” “Yes.” I said, “You’re bisexual?” He says, “Yes.”

10:44 Torre We know alcohol is prohibited there. How about milk? Do you have milk?

10:57 Fischer Yes, but only in a tiny little container.

11:17 Benjie What is the basic meal there? Let’s say lunch. What do they serve? Sushi? Rice?

11:34 Fischer About half the meals are chicken, but I’ve had enough chicken here. So I skip about half the main dishes. The fish is good. The food itself isn’t really the problem. The only thing is you don’t get any sushi or Japanese specialties. It’s all cooked food.

12:08 Torre You told me earlier you are very depressed there.

12:16 Fischer Very much depressed. And I eat only half the time. I don’t even know whether they’re poisoning me with the food or not.

12:22 Torre We were talking before about your mother. I remember even speaking with her on the phone when we were in Hungary. Do you miss her?

12:38 Fischer Sure.

12:41 Torre I remember you once mentioned the FBI investigation of her.

12:51 Fischer Yes. The press has been talking lately about how the FBI investigated my mother for being a communist. That’s true. They did come around. But my mother knew they were asking questions, so she told me exactly what to say if they came to me: “I have nothing to say to you.” No matter what they asked, I was to repeat that.

13:32 That’s one of the important things about investigators: they can lie to you, but if you lie to them they try to charge you. So my mother was very wise about that.

13:45 The point is, let’s say an investigator comes to talk to you, right. They can pretend, they can say anything, or be anybody they want—they can be a drug dealer, whatever, right. And they can lie to you, see. That’s okay. But if you lie to an investigator, they can charge you with lying. So supposing they say, “Bobby, do you know anything about this murder?”—and you say, “I don’t know anything about it”—all right, you could get in trouble, because maybe you do know something about it, and they can say you lied.

14:31 So the FBI people, they said, “Oh no, well, we don’t want this and we don’t want that, we only want this, we’re not interested.” And they were exactly like the FBI people in the comic books—they were wearing suits and like a hat, absolutely, you know, perfectly, very gentlemanly. He said, “No, we don’t want this—blah, blah, blah—we only want this”—and I said, “I have nothing to say to you.” Then they kind of looked at each other, shrugged, and took off.

15:01 You see? So I mean, the reason I bring it up is, there is so much, you know, after this 9/11, so many investigations. Almost anybody can be arrested, you know what I mean, and charged with something or other. This is the way to answer them, you know—just say, “I have nothing to say to you”—because even if you say you know nothing, they can charge you with lying.

15:25 Benjie By the way, Bobby—in your website you put on the very top already this 2005 Aichi World Exposition, I think starting on March 25th. And I think because you are very unhappy with the—you know, because Japan did nab you—you want to say something about that, Bobby?

16:02 Fischer I do, Eugene. I just want to say something else to continue about that FBI.

16:06 Benjie Okay, okay—sorry.

16:07 Fischer I was only like a kid then. I don’t know how old I was—I was like, you know, maybe ten, eleven, twelve. My mother made me repeat those words, you know, in front of her several times, many times: “I have nothing to say to you. I have nothing to say to you.” So it’s good to remember those words. And also, if you have children, you have to tell your children to say those words too, because they can try and nab you on what your children say. They’re so dirty now.

16:37 I remember there was even a case—some guy was arrested by, I think it was the FBI or the CIA. They put him in a jail, and they had nothing on him. But they found out he starts to talk to himself in his sleep. So they put a mic right in his room. He says something, and then they convicted him on what he said to himself in his sleep. You see, they’re so filthy and dirty. You really have to be careful.

17:07 Or like, for example, you remember this recent Martha Stewart case? She got sentenced. She’s a famous American businesswoman, and she was investigated for some kind of stock-market fraud or problem. And it turned out, well, they say later that actually she hadn’t done anything illegal, but she told—according to the story—she told the FBI investigators, or rather just the investigators—I don’t know which branch of the government they were—she told the investigators a lie, and they sent her to prison for six months for lying to the investigators, you see. So that’s just an example of how very, very careful you have to be when the fuzz come around. Just remember the magic words: “I have nothing to say to you.”

17:57 Benjie Well, Bobby, what exactly are their plans for you now? Or whatever these plans would be, would they be happening soonest, or when?

18:10 Fischer Iceland has offered to… Well, let me just—first of all, Eugene just said something about Aichi, this Japanese—

18:20 Benjie The Aichi World Exposition.

18:22 Fischer Yeah, yeah. I want to tell everybody not to go to the 2005 Aichi World Exposition—to boycott it as a protest to this illegal kidnapping of me and imprisonment. I’m in my eighth month. I have never seen a judge. The charges are absolute childish nonsense. They’re non-existent, you know—this is absolutely, totally political. So I’d like everybody not to go to that Aichi World Exposition.

19:00 Another thing that’s really—I find very irritating, Benjie: so many celebrities are coming into town here as if this is a legitimate country, right. Yeah—Maria Sharapova, and Schwarzenegger, and then this—I have a little clipping here—this Ocean’s Twelve crowd. They made a movie. You heard of that new movie, Benjie?

19:30 Benjie Yes, yes—about the casino.

19:33 Fischer Yeah, it’s the follow-up to Ocean’s Eleven, which I saw. Ocean’s Eleven—yeah, it was kind of cute, you know.

19:40 Benjie Are you allowed to watch movies out there on TV?

19:43 Fischer On TV, they have, yes, yes. But I mean, I saw that Ocean’s Eleven a couple of years ago before I got kidnapped.

19:51 Benjie Do you understand Nippongo already? Can you speak Nippongo already?

19:54 Fischer Nothing.

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[Continuation. The programme shifts into films, the Beatles, prison recreation, the Beatles’ manager Allen Klein, the Temptations’ “Unite the World,” the deportation case, the Bekins robbery, Fischer’s notes “A Few Notes on the Jew,” and a closing exchange about peace.]

00:00 Benjie You know, the shows that you watched?

00:02 Fischer No, many of the movies are in English. I watch them in English. So anyway, this Ocean’s Twelve crowd blew into Tokyo. This is January 20, 2005, Daily Yomiuri. And Brad Pitt, George Clooney and Matt Damon. Right now, they care absolutely nothing about me, right? You see—here I am, a fellow American, kidnapped by the Japanese government. They’re giving press conferences. You would think they would say something. I’m sure they’ve heard about this case. They don’t say a word.

00:42 I just want to read what they do say. See, this is an action flick, Ocean’s Twelve. And here’s what—just take a couple of minutes—what Clooney says: “I think we all know what’s been in the news a lot lately, and what everybody’s been talking about is on everyone’s lips today,” Clooney joked. Now, you would think he might be referring to me, but it’s very oblique, very mysterious, right? So apparently, according to this newspaper article, he’s referring to the recent break-up of Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston. So then Clooney continues: “I’m fine, and my neck is fine, and I’m sure that’s what everybody’s really worried about.” Why Clooney had on a neck brace was anybody’s guess.

01:30 And then here’s what Brad Pitt says: “Many here may not be aware that our friend Mr. Clooney has entered the priesthood, and we’re very happy that he could be here to bless us in this fashion,” Pitt joked. See, this is taking place in the Grand Hyatt Tokyo Hotel, one-hour press conference. And then Clooney says, “Yeah, Brad has got a terrific butt. I think we all feel the same way.” When the subject moved to absent co-star Julia Roberts, who was pregnant at the time of the shooting and gave birth to twins last month, Clooney said with a grin, “I had nothing to do with that.” Wasting no time, Pitt quipped, regarding Julia’s pregnancy: “No one here had anything to do with it. She was actually pregnant before any one of us had sex with her.” And then Clooney said, “That’s how I hurt my neck.”

02:20 Anyway, they have all this obviously rehearsed banter. You would think somebody would say something about me, right? But that’s an absolute no-no. I’m sure if journalists had asked them about me, they would have walked out of the press conference.

02:40 Benjie They probably don’t know you’re there, man.

02:42 Fischer This was on Time magazine already, come on. They know very well I’m here. This has gotten a lot of publicity. What do you mean, they don’t know I’m here?

02:54 Benjie Perhaps they weren’t allowed to talk about that, or asked to avoid such a topic. Anyway, Bobby, let’s go now to the Beatles—because you’re right in the middle of a feature show on radio nationwide here on DZSR. We are doing the Beatles from six in the evening all the way till ten. Let me ask you: is there any song of the Beatles that you remember that can be somehow related to what’s happening to you right now?

03:35 Fischer Oh, related? No, you know, I love the early Beatles music—like “I Want to Hold Your Hand” and “She Loves You” and all that stuff.

03:49 Benjie Well, who among the Beatles would you somehow look highly regarded or have high regards for when it comes to perhaps being deep in composing or compositions?

04:07 Fischer Well, I was not a big fan of them, I should say—just the early music. I think Lennon and Paul—not rather Paul—and Lennon and George Harrison were quite intelligent. And also, you know, I really think the most together one of them all really is, I think, Ringo Starr. He really has a good life philosophy. Very simple.

04:42 Benjie Yeah, very simple. The last time we did an interview, was that last song you played, “I Live My Life By Him”?

04:50 Fischer No, no. “It’s only right because I can live my life for you. All you have to say is la-de-da.” Remember that?

05:00 Benjie Oh, yeah, yeah. Now I remember. You really have such a good memory, man. I’m impressed.

05:05 Fischer I’ve replayed my interviews hundreds of times already, you know.

05:09 Benjie That’s cool. That’s one of the newest songs from Ringo. That’s a song called “La De Da.”

05:17 Fischer Yeah, “La De Da”—very beautiful song and very profound, you know? He really, I think, was not so much into drugs like the rest of them.

05:27 Benjie You know, I’m very impressed with your memory. I’m not too impressed with this grandmaster in front of me, Eugene Torre, all because he doesn’t remember that you and I—the three of us—were in a room once upon a time having an interview.

05:43 Fischer Yeah, yeah. Well, can I just say one more thing about Ringo Starr? Yeah—I know some creep will say, “Oh, Fischer didn’t know, he’s talking about a Jew, Ringo Starr.” I just want to say I understand he’s a Jew, and I said that anyway, okay?

06:02 Benjie Okay. Anyway, I don’t want to ask you if you’re being treated right out there, but first I ask you about the meals—I guess that’s one of the most important things for us to somehow get nourished. How about your recreations, Bobby?

06:20 Fischer They let you out forty-five minutes a day, Monday through Friday. That’s it. Just into the yard, walk around or kick a football or whatever. Also, they have a ping-pong table.

06:39 Torre Bobby, Eugene here. Going back to the Beatles—do you have any idea or you know anything about their managers too, other than the singers themselves?

06:54 Fischer Yeah, they had a manager. As a matter of fact, I think the reason they broke up was—Lennon, John Lennon, liked the manager and I think Paul McCartney did not. I think his last name was Klein, I’m quite sure. I’m not sure of his first name. And I read an interview with him in Playboy years ago, and he was a really tough, hard-boiled Jew, money-oriented Jew. And he was talking about money a lot, and then he said: “You take somebody’s money away from him, and he’s a dead man. He may still be walking around, but he’s a dead man.” And that’s really the Jews’ philosophy of life, you know?

07:43 Benjie If you’re very familiar with the song called “Baby You’re a Rich Man”—actually, that was for their manager, written for their manager. “Baby, you’re a rich man. Baby, you’re a rich man too.” You got it.

07:55 Fischer Yeah. You got it.

07:57 Torre Hey, Bobby—leaving now Beatles, because I know you’re also a fan of the Temptations. And I think you know some songs, Bobby?

08:09 Fischer I love the Temptations. I know many, many. That’s probably my favourite group, the Temptations. I know many of their songs.

08:18 Torre Yeah. Why did you also like very much this group?

08:23 Fischer Oh yeah, yeah, the Temptations were a great group. You know, “My Girl” and “Beauty Is Only Skin Deep.” I used to go to restaurants and just put in quarters and spend many dollars just listening to their stuff.

08:41 Torre I think one time you mentioned “Unite the World.”

08:47 Fischer Right, right. I’ve been listening to that lately—you know, before I got kidnapped, I was listening to that a lot. That’s a very hard-driving song. Beautiful, beautiful words. Powerful.

08:57 Torre You know the lyrics a little bit?

09:00 Fischer Oh, you know, I just got into the song before I got kidnapped, so I’m not really that familiar with it. Something like “wiretapping, kidnapping, hold-up, hold-up, so what if the Russians push the button?” Very lyric—well, you have to hear the song, you know. And then he says something like: “Black and white, we got to walk this land hand in hand. Don’t let the colour of my skin confuse you. I swear on a stack of Bibles I won’t abuse you. We’ve got to walk this land day and night, black and white.” You have to hear it. It’s so powerful, so powerful.

09:46 Benjie Hey, Bob, this is Benjie again. What exactly are the plans of the government of the United States with you? Because you are now detained by the Japanese government and you’ve been there for about eight months, I understand. What are their plans? Aren’t they going to get you back to the mainland or something?

10:07 Fischer Yeah, they’re trying to get me deported back to the USA to face a trumped-up trial for playing chess, if you can imagine, in Yugoslavia in 1992. And they invented this passport revocation. They claim they revoked my passport back in November 21st of 2003, and that they notified me of this passport revocation on December 11th of 2003. Absolute lies. If you go to the website, you can see it’s all explained in there. So anyway, the Japanese Ministry of Justice has issued a deportation order for me to send me to the USA, but we have it blocked—it’s tied up in the courts right now. Obviously, I don’t want to go back to the US. I’ll never get out of jail alive there, you know.

11:01 Benjie But are they trying to extradite you back to the mainland, the US government?

11:06 Fischer What’s that?

11:07 Benjie Are they trying to get you back to the mainland, the US government?

11:18 Fischer Yes, yes. Absolutely.

11:20 Benjie Well, I guess that’s one of the easiest things to do. How come the Japanese government isn’t doing that?

11:21 Fischer Because the Japanese government signed the order to deport me to the US, but then my lawyers went to the courts here to block it, you know. So it’s blocked in the courts right now until the courts decide.

11:38 Benjie And you don’t want to go back to the mainland?

11:41 Fischer Yeah, yeah, to the US. Don’t say “the mainland.” It reminds me of, like, fatherland or something stupid, you know.

11:49 Benjie Does it remind you of China?

11:51 Fischer Huh?

11:53 Benjie Anyway. No. Yeah, okay. Eugene?

11:57 Torre Yeah. Speaking of the US—somehow, Bobby, when you became world champion in 1972, somehow I didn’t remember that you were properly recognised, or in return, you know, just to show their support for you. Like, for example, I don’t remember you’ve been to the White House, Bobby.

12:26 Fischer No, no, never.

12:30 Torre By the way, regarding the memorabilia and the prized belongings you had in the Bekins Storage Company—of course, this was the reason why you were very angry and became available for interviews. What happened to your things? Are they doing something with your memorabilia and, in your own words, the robbery of your prized belongings?

13:10 Fischer Yeah—no, we’ve gone into that for many, many hours, Eugene. They just stole everything in my room there. In a big room, they stole countless hundreds of thousands of items. Really countless items. Everything. All my books, all my chess library, all my mail, all my chess sets, gold coins, silver coins, clothing, personal handwritten notes, all my legal files—just everything you can think of, they stole. Just a huge mass of material. They stole bank books, cash, everything. They stole my properties. They stole my photo albums with President Marcos. They stole personal pictures I took of President Marcos with my Polaroid camera. They stole all of my private photo collections.

14:06 —all, you know, with you, for example. You remember we went, I think, up to Vegas?

14:15 Torre Yes, Bobby. Well, I returned to that, Bobby. You know why? Because I believe that’s the very reason why we have all these problems and all these troubles—because you became very open against the US government after this thing. Because before that you were very quiet and nobody could interview you. That’s why I returned to that, because that’s the very reason of all these problems. And now you are there in Japan suffering. So that’s the reason, Bobby.

14:49 Fischer Well, that’s only one of the crimes they committed against me. That’s, I guess, in financial terms maybe the very biggest, but they’ve committed countless crimes against me ever since I was a boy. The Jews—I’m talking about the Jews—ever since I was a boy. Jews—you know, I was up, I couldn’t sleep the other night, so I made a few notes about the Jews. This is—if I could read it—it will take about maybe three minutes. It’s not, you know, great literature, but it’s just some stuff I wrote in the middle of the night. Gives you my feelings about the Jews. Could I read it? Hello?

15:30 Torre What, what, Bobby?

15:32 Fischer Could I read a few notes I made in the middle of the night? Take a few minutes if I read it.

15:38 Benjie Go ahead, man. Go ahead.

15:39 Fischer Okay, okay. A few notes on the Jew. Jews are antisocial, destructive, intolerant, mean-spirited, deceitful, et cetera. They wish to destroy, ruin, kill, rob whoever gets in their way. To facilitate them getting what they want, they have developed a perverted, unnatural, destructive, evil lifestyle. Even though they live off of the non-Jews as parasites, they still hate them and wish to destroy them.

16:09 Jews hate nature and the natural order because it’s pure and beautiful, and also because it’s bigger and stronger than they are, and they feel that they cannot fully control it. Nature’s beauty and harmony stands in stark contrast to their squalidness and ugliness, and that makes them hate it all the more.

16:28 Jews are destroyers. They are anti-humans. The anti-human Jew hates and wants to destroy all non-Jews. He will also destroy even other Jews who are less destructive and evil than he is if they get in his way. Apparently the wickedness of the Jew is genetically based. Jews are destroyers. They are anti-humans.

16:50 By the act of circumcision, the Jew shows his hatred towards nature and the natural order. By this bloody, cruel, senseless act, he shows his cruelty and sadism and that he will stop at nothing to obtain his ends. Surely the Jews are also behind Islamic circumcision, which serves as an ideal cover and distraction from their own wickedness in this regard. Jews are truly anti-human and anti-nature.

17:18 Jews are intensely selfish, intolerant and antisocial, et cetera. They are full of hate, greed, malice, et cetera. Naturally, other people, i.e. the non-Jews, don’t like being bulldozed aside, robbed and murdered by the Jews, and will sooner or later resist. That is where the lies and deceit of the Jews come into play… dot, dot, dot.

17:43 Torre Bobby. Bobby. Hello, Bobby. You know, is it not possible to have, you know, like peace and unity in this world? Don’t you want to improve your relationship with the Jews—or maybe, so that we don’t have so much hatred, then maybe everything would be good, Bobby?

18:04 Fischer That’s like the song “Unite the World.” I would just say, “We got to walk this land day and night, hand in hand.” Yeah, no, I don’t think there’ll be any peace until these Jews are dealt with, Eugene. These people are animals. They’re just bastards, you know—absolute animals.

18:26 Torre Maybe something can be done so that peace will prevail, because many people are suffering when there is so much fighting, Bobby.

18:37 Fischer Yeah, well, it would be nice. What did John Lennon say? He said, “All we are saying is give peace a chance,” right? But the US doesn’t believe in giving peace a chance. I remember in Gulf War One they had—they showed the GIs with the bombs, getting the bombs ready to be put onto the airplanes, and like they were writing on these big bombs words; one of them said, “Saddam, this one’s for you.” Another bomb said, “Give war a chance.”

19:15 Benjie Hey, Bob, I have here a listener who wants to know how old you are. Isn’t that a little personal?

19:22 Fischer No, no—I mean, that’s all on the record, Benjie.

19:28 Benjie Okay. He’s asking—his name is Eugene, actually, another namesake. That’s cell number 4714, it’s asking you how old you are.

19:39 Fischer Yeah, yeah, I said this is all on the record. I’m thirty-nine and holding, like… like, what’s that song by the One Man Circus? What’s that guy’s name?

19:50 Benjie Excuse me. You say you’re thirty-nine?

19:53 Fischer I’m thirty-nine and holding, like Jerry Lee Lewis.

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[Continuation. McCartney’s Japan arrest, Michael Jackson conspiracy theory (“Don’t Jew Me,” Beatles catalogue, Mike Tyson parallel, plastic surgeons), Beat It, daily routine in prison, Kasparov vs Putin, Chuck Norris’s The Secret of Inner Strength, Israel, Jackie Wilson’s “Ask,” and the closing message.]

00:01 Benjie I thought that was in yen.

00:06 Fischer No—I’m sixty-one. I’ll be sixty-two on March 9.

00:10 Benjie And then here’s another caller or texter who’s asking: who was this Beatle detained in Japan sometime in the late ’80s? The answer, of course, Paul McCartney, was detained for marijuana. He had cannabis stashed in his bag.

00:32 Fischer Yeah. Twelve days.

00:35 Benjie You heard about that, huh?

00:36 Fischer Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I was also detained for marijuana here, but it was a trumped-up charge. This was when I came in here in the year 2000. Believe it or not, they held me for eighteen days.

00:50 Torre All right, Bobby, another great performer, of course: Michael Jackson, eh?

00:57 Fischer Right.

01:02 Torre Also, Michael Jackson, he’s like Jackie Wilson also somehow, no? Some similarities.

01:10 Fischer Yeah, yeah. I read that he toured with Jackie Wilson when Jackson was a boy. He toured with Jackie Wilson.

01:20 Torre And of course, you love a lot of songs of Jackie Wilson—like “Ask,” “Chain Gang,” “Shake a Hand,” no?

01:25 Fischer Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that guy. They say he was murdered by the Jews.

01:35 Torre Well, you know, of course Michael Jackson is also having some problems now?

01:47 Fischer Yeah, yeah. You know, he… okay, I’m not going to justify or even, you know, his lifestyle. I’m not going to criticise it either, because I really don’t know that much about it. But regardless of his proclivities as far as sex goes, the fact is this is a conspiracy, in my opinion, by the Jews. Because, well, for two reasons—or several reasons.

02:21 One reason is, if you remember one of his songs, he said in one of his songs: “Don’t Jew me.”

02:27 Benjie No, I don’t remember, Bobby.

02:29 Fischer Yeah. Benjie, you remember that?

02:33 Benjie No, Bob, no.

02:34 Fischer Yeah, in one of his songs he said, “Don’t Jew me,” and I remember that very well. And there was quite a big controversy. I think this was back maybe in the late ’80s, sometime around then, or maybe earlier. It was in the ’80s, I think. And the press was very—you know, the Jew press was, of course, very angry about that. And that’s okay, but they have not forgotten that.

02:57 And also, regarding the Beatles, you know, he owns the Beatles’ songs, you know that? He owns all of their songs. He bought them for like $200 million a long time ago.

03:09 Torre Really? You mean Michael Jackson owns some of the Beatles’ songs?

03:17 Fischer Oh, I understand he owns their whole collection, yeah.

03:22 Torre Yes, somebody said here that he owns practically the whole collection.

03:28 Fischer Yes, Eugene, he bought the rights to all the songs of the Beatles.

03:32 So the point is, I believe, you know—you remember Mike Tyson, right? The boxer. They practically wiped him out, even though he made, I don’t know, hundreds of millions as a boxer, right. He went into bankruptcy and so on. Now, I think they want to do the same thing to Michael Jackson. He’s already put his Neverland Ranch up for sale, right. And I think they want to get his Beatles song book, you know, his rights. And I think that’s what this is all about. I mean, I think it’s a… because also he’s in a lot of debt himself. Besides, he owes banks a lot of money. He has a very lavish lifestyle, you know. So they’re out to get him.

04:23 Also, I think he’s a very kind person, a very nice person. Now he’s emotionally disturbed—there’s no question about that.

04:36 Benjie Just hold it, Bobby. We’re going to go into a break for a while. Just hang on.

[Sports break: DZSR Sports Radio 918 promo, live reports from the boxing competitions of the Vietnam SEA Games in Doha, basketball results from the Philippine Basketball Association (Talk N Text vs Coca-Cola, “Pro Am, Aki Toyota winning over Crispa”), then station jingle: “DZSR Sports Radio 918, we live to give you sports.”]

05:24 Benjie DZSR Sports Radio 918, we live to give you sports. Twenty-seven minutes after seven o’clock in the evening, you’re listening to “Mid-Evening with The Beatles.” In a while we’ll be continuing of course with our super session, our super feature—hang on, Beatle fans, as we are interviewing Mr. Bobby Fischer live and direct from Japan. Okay, hey Bob, are you there?

05:51 Fischer Yeah, yeah. Hi, Benjie. So what I was saying about Michael Jackson—he’s a very nice person, very kind person, but he’s obviously emotionally and mentally ill, you know. And when he went to see these plastic surgeons about changing his face and his skin and everything, instead of giving him counselling and telling him to see a good psychologist and improving his image as a Negro, they have taken advantage of him unmercifully—just destroyed his face for money and for sadistic pleasure. That’s my honest opinion.

06:38 So people are blaming Michael Jackson for what he has done to himself. Of course, I mean, you could put the blame on him, but I think the real blame goes on the surgeons, because this should never be allowed. You do not—if somebody comes up to me and says, “Bobby, push me out the window,” I won’t do it. I’ll talk to him and tell him, “Don’t do that. Tell me your problem. Can I help you?” And so when Michael Jackson went to these surgeons, that’s what they should have done.

07:07 Now there was a stinking American movie, I think with George Clooney, I think about the Gulf War I, where they talk about that, and the soldier puts the blame on Michael Jackson for all this surgery. But I think that it’s the whole goddamn American system that has done this to him. And he’s a really good person in a lot of ways, you know.

07:28 For example, one of his songs called “Beat It”—I think that was an excellent song. I think it was something like: “It doesn’t really matter who’s wrong or right—just beat it, beat it.” In other words, if you get into an argument with the police or another gang member or just somebody on a bus or a street, it doesn’t really matter who’s right or wrong—just get the hell out of there. Why kill somebody or be killed, you know?

07:58 Benjie Okay. Cheryl, Cheryl texted us. Cheryl, we’ll get back to the trivias later on the Beatles. Just hang on, lady. And here’s one—here’s a text message here from 2392. It says here: “Can you describe how it is to be detained out there, Bob, or your daily routine?”

08:26 Fischer From 2392? What’s that?

08:29 Benjie That’s a cell number here. We’re getting text messages actually on our computer, and it says here to ask you to describe how it is to be inside or being detained out there.

08:44 Fischer 2392? Only five numbers?

08:47 Benjie No, I’m not supposed to reveal the rest, because, you know, I’m just revealing the last four digits.

08:54 Fischer Okay.

08:54 Benjie And what does she want to know? How… oh, how it is.

08:56 Fischer It’s terrible to be here. It’s terrible, really terrible. You know, I start to understand how animals feel when they’re caged, you know. They just get crazier and crazier.

09:13 Torre Well, yeah, that’s why I think it’s important for you to get out of there, Bobby. I mean, and hopefully you can be a citizen of the Philippines the soonest.

09:30 Fischer Oh, that would be good. But, Eugene, that’s what they want. The US would very much like to see me die here in Japan. And then they could say, “Blame it on the Japs,” really. I mean, that’s the kind of cheek the US has, even though they’re obviously behind this. You understand? They would very much like me to die here in Japan, but if they can’t do that, then of course they’d like to take me back to the US and torture and murder me there, you know.

10:00 Benjie Okay, Bobby, we have been talking a lot about you. How about talking also about this Kasparov? Because lately I have seen in the news that he’s also quite hot on Putin, the President of Russia. He’s just like you—very quite independent-minded somehow.

10:26 Fischer Oh well… Eugene, he—all that stuff is written for him, you know. But anyway, if he’s down on Putin now, as he says he is, then, I mean, to me that’s like an endorsement, no? Coming from him.

10:43 Torre What do you mean endorsement?

10:45 Fischer Coming from Kasparov. If he attacks Putin, that’s like an endorsement of Putin, you know, because Kasparov is a bad guy, you know—such a crook, such a liar.

10:56 Torre Ah, I see. But I think he’s really attacking President Putin, huh?

11:03 Fischer Right, right. Yeah, yeah.

11:07 Torre Well, that’s what you call a negative approach, man.

11:11 Fischer Huh? Maybe, perhaps you could call that a negative approach. Yeah, he’s down on Putin, I think, because of putting Khodorkovsky in prison over there—which, by the way, I approve of, because all of these Jewish robber barons who got all these billions after the end of communism, they’re just crooks, you know.

11:37 Benjie Okay, Bobby, we’re down to our last ten minutes on this interview. Any more you’d like to add, Eugene?

11:45 Torre Well, because lately Bobby also read a book which was quite impressive about Chuck Norris, no, Bobby? Chuck Norris, you like Chuck Norris, no?

12:00 Fischer Yes, yes. I always liked him as a movie star, you know, karate action star—and I always, somehow I felt he was different from the rest, even though I didn’t know anything about his life story, you know what I mean? But now I bought this book—actually a friend of mine sent it to me, because I was talking to a friend of mine on the phone, and I was talking about, you know, I thought Chuck Norris had a lot of character, you know, compared to like other Hollywood people like Schwarzenegger, etc. So he sent me this book by Chuck Norris, The Secret of Inner Strength: My Story.

12:39 And I was really amazed, you know. I mean, because when you see Chuck Norris in the movies, he gives this feeling of strength, you know, power. But I had absolutely no idea that up until the age of eighteen, he was not into sports at all. He grew up basically with his mother. His father was an alcoholic and never was around. So Chuck Norris was not good in sports. He was a very shy, introverted person.

13:08 And then when he… I think he got married real young, and then he went to Korea in the armed forces as a US serviceman, and that’s where he started to learn martial arts. Korean. And if you look at the early pictures of him, he’s a scrawny guy. He’s got scrawny arms. And he’s an amazing person.

13:34 I was reading one thing he says. Before he became a movie star, he was a martial arts instructor and a champion in martial arts, you know. And what he says, I think something that really struck me—he said he likes, when somebody comes to be a student of his, he likes them to be weak and badly coordinated, rather than be strong and well-coordinated and fast. The people who are badly coordinated, unathletic—he said they’re better students. They try harder, they stick with it more. Whereas these people who have the coordination and the speed, they drop out, you know. They don’t stick to it usually.

14:16 Torre But you, Bobby—you have the talent, but also you are hard-working.

14:20 Fischer Yeah, yeah, that’s true, that’s true. But it’s really, really an amazing book. He’s got a couple of other books I want to read too, you know.

14:31 You know what is good about it? He has all these like principles that he teaches throughout the book, and in the back of the book he says things like: “Failure is only a matter of interpretation. The only time you really fail is when you don’t learn from the experience. Say to yourself, ‘I’ll never lose that way again.’ ” He’s got a lot of really good things in here.

14:57 And the reason this book is so instructive is because there are so many of these “Think Positively” books, right? Help you, you know—but they’re not written by famous martial arts people or action people. They’re written more by psychologists, and you wonder if these people are really successful themselves, right? But his life—he made himself from nothing. He was dirt poor, dirt poor family. I think he’s part American Indian, and not physical, coming from a broken family—not a solid family life, with a drunken father, and he did it all by himself.

15:43 It’s really very inspiring. My only beef, complaint, is that he’s pro-American, you know. But having said that—this book was written in 1987, see, or no, 1989. ’88, ’89. The point is, many years have passed since then. Hopefully he has, you know, with the recent events, evolved and seen the true wicked nature of the United States.

16:16 But I think he’s really an amazing person, because he’s really got a lot of love, you know. And also the book—he doesn’t try to brush out all of the things that some people would criticise. Like, he had a time where he got tired of his wife and he wanted to go out dating, and so many things like that, you know. He’s a human being. He doesn’t pretend to be perfect at all. He tells of so many mistakes he’s made, you know.

16:50 Benjie Well, a lot of Filipinos really love the guy. He’s been here several times doing a movie. Anyway, Bob, do you still find time to play chess in your cell?

17:00 Fischer Yeah, yeah. One other thing about Chuck Norris—or another thing I criticise him, rather, you know, unhappy about: I read in his book he made a movie in the bandit state of Israel. Terrible thing. Of course, I played chess once myself in Israel too, before I understood all these things, so I mean—I’m not condemning him, but I’m just… he shouldn’t have done it, you know. Nobody should go to Israel to play chess or to do movies or anything. That country has no right to exist, you know. It’s a bandit state. All the Jews should get the hell out of this so-called Israel, and all this is Arab land. It should all be given back to the Palestinians—not just the occupied territories, not just the Gaza Strip. The Jews have to give back Palestine—Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, Haifa, the whole country.

17:53 Torre Yeah, Bobby. Okay—can you, since Jackie Wilson, you remember, before we are leaving soon? So with Jackie Wilson, do you know some songs, like, I remember when we were talking—“Ask”? How is this “Ask”?

18:13 Fischer Oh yeah. I don’t remember all the… you know, Eugene, my brain is like half-functioning in here, you know.

18:21 Torre Oh, okay. I know, because you have some problems there, you know. Very difficult. Anyway, “Ask,” and then I remember “Chain Gang” also, and I think that was—he had this beautiful one, “Shake a Hand,” huh, Bobby?

18:41 Fischer Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this “Ask” is very—it’s not a very well-known song of Jackie Wilson. It’s like a kind of a spiritual. It’s something like: “Ask, and he will hear you. Ask—he’s always near you. If you pray to him each day, he’ll always stay in your heart.” Something like that. Very beautiful lyrics, you know.

19:04 Torre And I think Jackie Wilson was the idol, or the one somehow Michael Jackson imitated, no? Even their side face, somehow, some similarities, before Michael Jackson had this operation.

19:25 Fischer Not his operation. Jackson has had I think countless operations.

19:43 Benjie You know, Bob, before we wrap up here in the Philippines, we just want to let you know that we’re hoping only for the best for you. You still have a lot of fans here, chess enthusiasts and all. And all these things that are happening, you know, these trials and tribulations happening to you right now—they could be a real…

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[Final segment. Benjie turns the discussion toward religion and meaning. Fischer responds with a long reflection on God, religion, and extraterrestrial life, then signs off with a few lines from a Beatles song.]

00:00 Benjie Maybe all of this is a message somehow being delivered to you by somebody up there.

00:11 Fischer A message? A good message? A bad message? What?

00:14 Benjie No, just a message. Perhaps the Lord is telling you something. I often spend the last part of my programme reading Bible verses.

00:27 Fischer I heard you once in a car in Manila, I think, preaching. Was that you?

00:36 Benjie I think so.

00:45 Fischer Well, I’m not really into the Bible anymore. I don’t take it literally. But I am still interested in the possibility that there is something out there—whether you call it God, or the Force, or little green men from another galaxy. I can’t believe we’re all alone in the universe. It makes no sense. There are so many worlds. Why should we be uniquely special? Maybe the others are very far away, but I think there may be countless living planets.

01:36 We used to think we were the centre of the universe and that everything revolved around us. Now we know we are only one planet among billions and trillions. So I think it stands to reason that fifty years from now it will turn out we knew practically nothing today. My mind is open about these things.

02:54 Benjie A lot of us get disillusioned by what some people do while claiming to follow God. I still feel what matters is a personal relationship with Him—or with God, however you call it. I hope you still have that, Bobby.

03:28 Fischer Well, you say “Him.” How do you know it’s a he?

03:33 Benjie Let’s not focus on the sex of God.

03:37 Fischer My point is that, to me, all these books are a lot of rubbish. The Bible is rubbish, the Koran is rubbish, the Bhagavad Gita is rubbish, the Old Testament is rubbish. All this so-called “Word of God” literature—I don’t take it literally. But that doesn’t mean there is nothing out there. It just means I don’t believe organised religion has captured the truth.

04:34 I think organised religion is mostly a racket. One thing I always found interesting about the Catholic Church is that they tell their followers not to read the Bible, just to study the catechism and listen to what the church says, because the church simplified everything. But in general, my mind is open to whatever the truth may be.

05:16 Benjie We’re not really talking about religion now, just that personal relationship. But anyway, thank you for gracing the airwaves here in the Philippines.

05:34 Fischer Well, thank you. But I still think the “personal relationship” idea is a gross oversimplification of reality. I don’t believe somebody simply created all this in the way religion teaches. Somehow it happened. And there may be vastly advanced civilizations influencing us in ways we don’t understand. Reality may be unimaginably complicated.

06:28 Torre Bobby, I hope you get out of there soon. We’re not getting any younger, and eight months is far too much—especially for someone who brought such honour and prestige to America in 1972.

06:43 Fischer Can I go off the air singing a little All You Need Is Love?

06:48 Benjie Yes, please.

06:52 Fischer [Fischer sings a few lines from “All You Need Is Love.” Benjie and Torre briefly join in.]

08:38 [Beatles programme promo.]

09:15 Fischer [Sings a few closing words from another Beatles refrain.]

09:30 Benjie There you have it, friends. We went a little offbeat tonight and had an interview with a true chess champion—Mr. Bobby Fischer.

32 Reykjavík, Iceland, March 25, 2005 ↑

[Fischer calls into W Radio (part of the Caracol network) in Bogotá, Colombia, from Reykjavík, Iceland. The host is Julio Sánchez Cristo. A translator/co-host is also present. Fischer arrived in Iceland the previous day—March 24, 2005—after nine months in Japanese detention. This is his first interview as a free man. The Icelandic parliament (Alþingi) had voted on March 21 to grant him Icelandic citizenship, and he was released from Ushiku on March 23. This is the only interview in the series conducted with a Latin American station, and the first where the host challenges Fischer directly.]

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00:55 Sánchez Hello, Bobby. Good morning.

00:57 Fischer Yes. How are you doing? What is your name?

00:58 Sánchez My name is Julio. Julio Sánchez Cristo.

01:03 Fischer Is this a regular radio station or an internet station? What is this?

01:06 Sánchez This is an international station. We are originating in different countries.

01:12 Fischer But I mean, are you on the air on the AM band or what?

01:15 Sánchez We are on the air on AM and FM band.

01:21 Fischer Both of which are where?

01:22 Sánchez We are in all of Colombia, all of Panama, and also on different stations in the United States, and through the internet all over the world.

01:29 Fischer Where are you on the AM band in Bogotá?

01:34 Sánchez In Bogotá, we are on 850 AM and 99.9 FM. This station is called W Radio. We belong to a large radio network, Caracol.

02:01 Sánchez Are you hating America so much nowadays, Mr. Fischer?

02:07 Fischer Wait, wait—whom are you talking to now?

02:10 Sánchez I’m your translator, sir.

02:12 Fischer He talks good English. Why are you confusing me?

02:14 Sánchez Because Alejandro speaks better English.

02:16 Fischer No. I’ll talk to you. I don’t want to get all confused here.

02:19 Sánchez Why are you hating the United States so much these days?

02:24 Fischer Well, you know what just happened to me in Japan, right?

02:29 Sánchez We have a quiet idea.

02:31 Fischer I got arrested on totally trumped-up charges. Nonsense. And the US was telling Japan to arrest me. I spent nine months in prison on totally false charges.

03:12 Sánchez Why were you in jail?

03:15 Fischer The US told Japan to arrest me. Very simple. Japan accused me of having an invalid passport. If you go to the internet—can I give a website where everybody should go to get the truth about this?

03:32 http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. That’s where you get all the documents and a whole lot of other live radio interviews I’ve done. That’s the only place you’re going to get the truth.

04:29 Sánchez Tell us the reason you were in jail.

04:33 Fischer I was leaving Japan on July 13, 2004. They gave me an exit visa in my passport. And then suddenly, they arrested me and claimed that my passport had been revoked last year, in November 2003. It’s complete rubbish. It had never been revoked. And they put me in jail for nine months. I never saw a judge.

05:03 Here’s what they charged me with. This was a notice: “To Robert James Fischer, Nationality USA, Date of Birth March 9, 1943. This is to inform you that the landing permission granted to you by Immigration Inspector, Narita Immigration Office, on April 15, 2004, has hereby been cancelled retrospectively as of the date of landing.”

05:57 If you look up the law they refer to, it says the alien who enters the country must have a valid passport and a valid visa. And I had both. I had a valid passport and I got a valid visa. So they’re lying. The US government just told them to arrest me on any lie they wanted.

07:10 Fischer Now, to apparently justify what they did: the next day, somebody from the US Embassy came over to the jailhouse. The guards physically forced me to see him—they started to carry me. And he gave me—they had already destroyed my US passport. The US government and the Japanese had already destroyed my passport within 24 hours of my arrest. They confiscated and physically destroyed it by punching holes through it and stamping “cancelled” on every page.

07:54 And to justify all of this, the US government gave the prison authorities a letter, from the Embassy of the United States, Manila, Philippines, signed by Theodore Allegra, Consul of the United States of America, supposedly dated December 11, 2003. But it had no address, no original signature—just a photocopy. No postmark, no envelope, nothing. An obviously fake letter. And it came with some State Department law, several pages, which were outdated. And on this basis, they threw me in jail for nine months. I could never even go to court. I could never contest this total rubbish.

[Spanish translation: “… la fiscalía norteamericana en Manila… del once de diciembre de 2003… sin ninguna firma, sin reconocimiento, nada. Lo tenemos en Reykjavík, en Islandia. Es decir, sale del Japón a Islandia. ¿Por qué no puede ir a los Estados Unidos?”]

09:58 Sánchez What is the reason you cannot return to the United States?

09:59 Fischer Well, first of all, they’ve destroyed my passport.

10:02 Sánchez But you’re an American. You could go back if you want.

10:08 Fischer Well, right now I’m in Iceland.

10:10 Sánchez Yes. So the question is: why Iceland and not the United States?

10:18 Fischer They destroyed my passport last year. And they have an arrest warrant for me in the US since December 15, 1992.

10:34 This is complete nonsense. This arrest warrant was based on an executive order signed by President Bush Senior back in 1992. And these executive orders are bullshit because they don’t go through Congress. The President writes down a law—like, “You cannot play chess in Yugoslavia”—and then signs it himself. What is that? The President can write down an executive order saying, “I am President for life.” These executive orders are illegal. The only way you make a law is Congress has to pass it and then it goes to the President for his signature. The President cannot make up the law and then sign it himself.

11:20 Sánchez But Bobby, that game was a friendly game with Boris Spassky.

11:25 Fischer Well, it was friendly, but it was for the World Championship.

[Sánchez briefly recaps to Spanish-speaking listeners: “Firmó un acuerdo y la prohibición de las relaciones para con Yugoslavia…”]

11:56 Sánchez So today, you can be arrested in the United States?

11:59 Fischer Yes. They have an arrest warrant for me. Since December 15, 1992. A grand jury indicted me, and the same day they issued an arrest warrant.

12:20 Sánchez Bobby, why does a person with such a brilliant, smart mind get involved in so many troubles?

12:24 Fischer Well, don’t blame me. Why are you putting the blame on me?

12:30 Sánchez Why are Jewish people involved in your problems?

12:34 Fischer Well, I have explained in many radio interviews how the Jewish people have robbed me of all of my property at Bekins Moving and Storage Company. They have robbed me of my royalties for My 60 Memorable Games. They robbed my royalties for Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. They made a movie, Searching for Bobby Fischer, which has made hundreds of millions of dollars for Paramount Pictures and Viacom, owned by the Jew Sumner Murray Redstone, without giving me a penny.

13:59 They robbed my stuff at Bekins, a whole room of my stuff. [Translator summarises in Spanish; mentions Searching for Bobby Fischer.]

14:19 Eva Hello, Mr. Fischer, it’s Eva speaking. May I ask you a question?

14:21 Fischer Yes, yes, yes.

14:23 Eva How are you doing?

14:25 Fischer Well, it’s very confused, I have to say.

14:29 Eva Mr. President, I wanted to find out, do you compare the Jews with the American people? Because in your words the United States belongs to the red man, the American Indian—

15:02 Fischer Wait, wait. I would prefer one person is talking to me. I’m going to get confused here, okay?

15:08 Sánchez All right, so Julio is going to keep going with the interview. [Eva asks her remaining question in Spanish: whether Fischer, as an American who has criticised America so much, wants to return there or is content to stay in Iceland.]

15:23 Sánchez Do you consider the possibility of going back to the United States, or have you wrecked it?

15:29 Fischer The US has an arrest warrant for me right now. It would just be a kangaroo court. There’s absolutely no point going back to the United States. They want to put me in prison for ten years. This is not a law. This is just an executive order signed by then-President Bush Senior. It’s not even a real law. It’s nothing.

16:24 Sánchez What are you doing in Reykjavík?

16:28 Fischer I’m relaxing. I was just in prison in Japan for nine months without being allowed out, even to go to court. I was not allowed out on bail. I was not allowed into court to explain that the arrest was illegal.

16:40 Sánchez You are relaxing in Reykjavík. Do you have enough money to live without working?

16:47 Fischer Yes.

16:55 Sánchez With all my respect, Mr. Fischer—are you getting crazy?

17:11 Fischer Am I getting—? No, no, no. Not at all.

17:32 Sánchez You were in Colombia, no?

17:34 Fischer No, I’ve never been to Colombia. That’s one country I haven’t been to. I heard—if I can say something nothing to do with chess—I don’t think you should be sending all these drug people to America. That’s like—they’re not going to get any kind of fair trial there. Why can’t you just try them in your own country?

18:00 That’s outrageous. If you want to try them, try them in your country. Why are you playing America’s game? This is very dirty.

18:30 Sánchez Why do you think drugs are going to the United States? You don’t think that in the United States there are some people that like drugs?

18:40 Fischer Julio, I’m saying these drug dealers—you should try them in your own country. They committed a crime in your country. They’re in your country. Why are you sending them to the US?

19:40 Sánchez Is it true you said Bush is a war criminal?

19:44 Fischer Yes, it’s true. I said that. He’s a criminal. He’s a war criminal. He sent troops to Iraq to support an unjust war, which is just about stealing the Iraqi people’s oil. Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed already.

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00:00 Fischer For no good reason. The whole area is in chaos. And I thought Japan was supposed to be a pacifist country. Why is Koizumi sending troops over there? Koizumi is also a war criminal. They’re both war criminals. This war in Iraq has absolutely no justification. It’s completely illegal. Bush lied about the weapons of mass destruction to get into the war. It’s absolutely outrageous.

00:58 Sánchez What do you think about the retirement of Kasparov?

01:03 Fischer I don’t really care. The man is a tremendous crook. He prearranged all his matches. He played five so-called world title matches with Karpov and they were all prearranged. He’s just an absolute criminal. A disgrace to chess. Karpov was also a crook. And Korchnoi.

01:39 Sánchez Who is the best player in the world for you?

01:41 Fischer Well, I don’t play the old chess anymore. I play Fischer Random now.

01:48 Sánchez In history?

01:50 Fischer To me, the game doesn’t have that kind of interest anymore. I’m only interested in Fischer Random now. It’s the same as chess, except you mix the back row. And there are 960 possible starting positions.

02:19 That’s also on the internet site. You can get the rules. But you mix them in a specific way: one rook has to be to the left of the king, one rook to the right of the king. One bishop on a light-coloured square, one bishop on a dark-coloured square. Both sides have identical positions. And you can castle on either side of the board, like in old chess.

02:40 It’s very, very simple. If you know how to play chess, you can learn Fischer Random in about 30 seconds.

[Sánchez attempts to summarise the rules in Spanish, garbles the bishop/rook restrictions.]

03:09 Fischer No, no, I don’t think you explained it well. Go at it again, and I will try and explain it. Look—you mix the back row of the pieces, but there are certain restrictions. You don’t just mix them 100% randomly. One rook must be to the left of the king. One rook must be to the right of the king. One bishop must be on a black square, and the other bishop must be on a white square.

03:30 And that comes under 960 possible starting positions, and both sides have the identical mix—so everything is symmetrical, just like in the old chess.

04:16 The point is, there is no more—right now, there’s an enormous amount of material on the one starting position you have today. Thousands, tens of thousands of books and magazines, even hundreds of thousands. Just an enormous amount of information on the one starting position you have today. So basically, the person who prepares better, who knows more about the theory of the starting position, has a big advantage. A very big advantage. But now with 960 starting positions, it’s just too much to memorise. So there’s no point even trying. It’ll be more man against man, mano a mano. And it’ll be more fun. It’ll just be a better game all around. And you won’t have to spend all your time in front of a computer preparing, you see?

04:56 So there’s no point even trying. With Fischer Random, it will be more man against man, mano a mano. It will be more fun. A better game all around. And you won’t have to spend all your time in front of the computer preparing.

05:42 And let me just add one more thing about Fischer Random: the way you mix the pieces, you can just do it with a computer. You just push a button and the computer will mix them automatically, you see.

06:08 Sánchez Bobby, do you think a woman can be the champion of the world?

06:14 Fischer Well, you’re talking about Fischer Random or chess?

06:20 Sánchez Regular chess.

06:22 Fischer Well, again, I don’t have any interest in regular chess. I have completely washed my hands of old chess. I despise it. My only interest in old chess is I like to go through the prearranged games and expose them.

06:56 Sánchez Last question. Would you like to continue to be an American citizen, or do you want to renounce?

07:03 Fischer Well, I already renounced my citizenship, but they didn’t accept it. They said I didn’t do it in the correct way.

07:11 Sánchez But you want to renounce?

07:14 Fischer Well, I did it already, but they don’t accept it. It’s not so easy to renounce, apparently. When I wrote them a letter renouncing my citizenship to the US Embassy, they said it’s not valid because you have to do it in a certain way.

07:43 They sent me all this literature. You cannot just say “I renounce my citizenship.” You have to sign a “Letter of Understanding” that when you renounce, you understand you’re still liable for tax, still liable to be deported. You’re signing away your life. And plus, they want all this information about your finances.

08:28 Sánchez But you want to keep trying to renounce?

08:34 Fischer Well, if they’ll make it in a reasonable manner without all these “understandings,” I may do it. But they refuse to even do it. And they don’t guarantee they’ll accept it. You can renounce and it’s up to them whether they accept it or not. So it’s really a no-win situation, this renunciation.

09:02 Sánchez Do you have family in the United States?

09:06 Fischer I have some relatives there.

09:10 Sánchez Bobby, thank you very much.

09:12 Fischer You’re welcome. Good luck.

09:15 Sánchez Good luck with your new life in Reykjavík.

09:17 Fischer Okay.

33 Reykjavík, Iceland, March 25, 2005 ↑

[This is a press conference held at the Hotel Loftleiðir, Reykjavík, the day after Fischer’s arrival in Iceland. It is the only press conference in the entire series—all other interviews were radio call-ins. An international press corps is present, including Jeremy Schaap (ESPN, son of Dick Schaap), a reporter from Russian RTR television, a Greek journalist, and Jim Motts from The Guardian (London). Sæmi Pálsson serves as a kind of minder. Fischer is animated, combative, and at times humorous. He discusses the 1972 venue selection (revealing Edmondson was CIA), his prison fights with Japanese guards, and his plans for Iceland.]

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00:01 Moderator You’re here, Bobby. Sit here. Thank you for letting me come in here. Sorry for keeping you waiting—I needed to attend to a couple of things.

[Cameras clicking.]

00:36 Moderator I just wish you welcome here, and hope you will brief us on some questions and say a few words, and probably answer a few questions for you. And I thank you for coming and greeting the world champion, the new Icelander—the newest one—and we congratulate him. Thank you. Maybe you start, Bobby, to talk to the press.

01:15 Fischer Okay, let’s go. Who is from Russia?

01:20 Journalist This is Russian RTR television, second channel. From Moscow.

01:27 Fischer Great.

01:47 Schaap Bobby, is this the first time you’ve been back since 1972?

01:51 Fischer Yes.

01:52 Schaap What’s it like to be back here?

01:53 Fischer Great. Really great. I was crazy to leave.

01:59 Journalist How does it feel to be an Icelander?

02:02 Fischer Very good. Very good. Especially when you’re coming from a Japanese prison cell.

02:09 Journalist How do you see things playing out here? Are you going to spend your time here, or are you going to travel?

02:16 Fischer Both.

02:18 Journalist Where do you want to go?

02:20 Fischer Everywhere.

02:22 Schaap How much interest do you have in playing—

02:24 Fischer What is your name?

02:26 Schaap Jeremy. Jeremy Schaap.

02:28 Fischer Your father was Dick Schaap. You were telling me last night?

02:31 Schaap Yes.

02:32 Fischer I knew him. He rapped me very hard. He said I don’t have a “sane bone in my body.” I didn’t forget that.

02:40 Schaap Don’t think he meant it literally.

02:42 Fischer He said it. Whatever he meant, he said it. He was very mean. He was Jewish, right?

02:52 Schaap He was. Yes. As are you.

02:53 Fischer Really?

02:54 Schaap That’s what I was told.

02:57 Fischer Have you read my letter to the Encyclopedia Judaica, Jerusalem? In 1984, I wrote them that I am not today, nor have I ever been, a Jew. And they wrote me back giving me a clean bill of health.

03:20 Schaap What do you mean by a “clean bill of health”?

03:23 Fischer I told them not to put my name in the Encyclopedia Judaica anymore, and they said they wouldn’t do it.

03:30 Schaap Was your mother Jewish?

03:32 Fischer That’s explained in the letter.

03:38 Journalist Mr. Fischer, do you worry about extradition to the US?

03:43 Fischer They don’t have any extradition request for me, so far as I know.

03:48 Journalist But they have a bilateral treaty with Iceland. They might be able to make such a request.

03:54 Fischer Let’s see what they do.

04:00 Journalist Do you keep up with trends in chess?

04:03 Fischer No. I’m finished with chess.

04:05 Journalist You don’t study current games, or Kasparov’s games?

04:08 Fischer My only interest in chess, basically, is to show the prearrangement.

04:16 Journalist You think there’s too many games, there’s collusion between the players?

04:20 Fischer Far too many. Especially at the upper level, the top level—it’s almost all prearranged.

04:26 Journalist There’s too many draws.

04:28 Fischer Too many prearranged. Everything. Draws, wins, losses. Everything prearranged, move by move.

04:52 Journalist How do you see your future here in Iceland?

04:58 Fischer I see it as very good. You’ve got a wonderful country. Wonderful fresh air. Very fine people. Excellent food. Plenty of room.

05:24 Journalist Were you surprised that the Icelandic government gave you citizenship?

05:31 Fischer When they gave it at the end? No. But I was very happy about it.

05:37 Journalist Are you going to give something back to Iceland?

05:40 Fischer Am I going to give something back?

05:42 Journalist You have to be more specific. How are you going to spend your time here in Iceland?

05:53 Fischer I have a lot of things I want to do in general.

06:00 Journalist For example?

06:02 Fischer Well, I want to finish my clock. I’ve been working on it for many years. I still want to do a book showing how the 1984–85 Karpov–Kasparov match was prearranged move by move. The dirty Jews all say, “Oh, Fischer didn’t write the book he said he was going to write.” Yes—but they don’t say they stole all my files on it. They stole several big moving boxes full of books that took me years to accumulate. They stole them from Bekins. But I’m going to do the book anyway.

06:48 Journalist Are you going to learn Icelandic?

06:51 Fischer Probably not, because everybody speaks pretty good English here. Unfortunately. I was coming in and out of Japan for five years and I hardly learned any Japanese. The Japanese guards in the prison kept talking to me in Japanese. I think they really believed I was faking it.

07:44 Journalist Is Miyoko safe and staying here with you?

07:46 Fischer I don’t want to discuss my private life in that regard.

07:48 Journalist Which is the best player in chess today?

07:52 Fischer Well, obviously—if I played old chess, I would be. Still. But old chess doesn’t interest me because you have to spend your time memorising umpteen variations. It’s absolutely stupid. Which country are you from, by the way?

08:16 Journalist I’m from Athens, Greece. Mr. Fischer, would you like to go to Russia to maybe meet some contemporary chess players?

08:23 Fischer Yeah, I’m not interested in chess per se. I mean, you know, I’m interested in Fischer Random only as a game to play. As I said, my only interest in chess is to expose the prearrangement.

08:51 Journalist What is your attitude towards Kasparov and Karpov?

08:55 Fischer Criminals. They are criminals. Prearrangement.

09:20 Fischer Kasparov was a very good player, yes. But he was also a chess cheat. Just like when you go to watch Saturday Night Wrestling—they’re very good wrestlers, right? But anybody with half a brain knows it’s almost all for show. Same with Kasparov and Karpov. All those matches for twenty years.

09:40 Every single move of the ’84–’85 match was prearranged. And I believe every single move of all their five so-called title matches was prearranged. That’s my honest-to-God opinion. Now you can do a voice lie-detector on my voice. You will see I am telling the truth. Ask the criminal Kasparov if my statements are true—that he prearranged every move of every game. Ask him live. Only live. And listen to his answer. You will see he will be nervous. He will be jumping around.

10:26 Schaap You’ve been a fugitive from American justice since 1992. Why did you violate the embargo?

10:36 Fischer Oh! That was nonsense. You cannot tell anybody not to play chess in a country. It’s idiotic. You know, when I was in Hungary, I have the clipping back in Hungary too—it was in the Budapest Sun. There was a very short interview with the US Ambassador to Budapest, to Hungary. This was about ’97 or ’98, around maybe ’99, right around there. It was published as if it were a statement.

11:06 Schaap Bobby, why all the antisemitism? I mean, you grew up in New York among Jews.

11:24 Fischer “Antisemitism” is a nonsense word and you know that very well.

11:30 Schaap When we talk about antisemitism, we’re talking about anti-Jewish.

11:40 Fischer Just say that.

11:47 Schaap Where does this vitriol come from?

11:50 Fischer Regarding what?

11:52 Schaap Jews.

11:54 Fischer It comes from their crimes. Their behaviour.

11:56 Schaap Their crimes? What crimes?

11:58 Fischer They have robbed all my belongings at Bekins Moving and Storage Company. The Jew-controlled US government, Bob Ellsworth, and Bekins Moving and Storage. I get no money from Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. I get no money from Searching for Bobby Fischer. I get no money for My 60 Memorable Games—the real edition or the fake editions. Nothing. Nothing for years.

12:23 Schaap Whose fault is that?

12:24 Fischer What do you mean whose fault is it? They don’t pay me. It’s their fault. Of course it’s their fault. Simon & Schuster, Viacom, Batsford, Bekins Moving and Storage Company, Paramount Pictures, Learning International, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. What do you mean “who is there”? You act like you don’t know what I’m talking about. Don’t pretend to be an injured innocent. You know. You know the score.

12:54 Journalist What do you have to say to the Icelandic people, now that you’re an Icelandic citizen?

12:58 Fischer I’m very, very thankful and appreciative.

13:17 Journalist But Mr. Fischer, you gave up at 29. Was that quite a sudden decision?

13:22 Fischer I didn’t give it up. Karpov refused to play me under perfectly fair conditions.

13:36 Journalist What do you think of Kasparov running for President in Russia?

13:48 Fischer Really? Well, if he does run, he would just be a puppet of the Jews. He has no brains to speak of.

13:57 Schaap Bobby, you made some comments that offended a lot of people after the attacks on September 11. Do you want to tell us what you actually said?

14:07 Fischer It’s still all on the record. You should listen. On the internet. Why don’t you listen to the recording, then you can ask a better question? Go to the source. You’re a journalist.

14:32 Schaap You’re telling us they’re genuine, those recordings on the internet?

14:51 Fischer Well, when they’re on my site, yes.

14:54 Schaap Some of the things you said were obviously very hurtful to Americans. Why did you feel the US deserved to be attacked?

15:06 Fischer Just look at Israel. Look what the United States has been supporting—Israel, forever. And look what they have been doing to the Palestinians and the Arabs.

15:21 Journalist Why do you think the US government has been after you all these years?

15:26 Fischer Because firstly, I beat them in chess. I beat the Jews in chess. The US is totally Jew-controlled. They say there’s only six million Jews in the US—it’s a lie. There’s at least 25 to 30 million Jews in the US.

15:42 Journalist How do you know that?

15:43 Fischer How do I know it? Well, just from my studies.

15:47 Journalist I mean, how would you study that?

15:51 Fischer Well, I’ve read a lot of books, you know.

15:55 Journalist Mr. Fischer, what do you think about US foreign policy?

15:59 Fischer It’s evil. The United States is evil. There’s this “axis of evil,” blah, blah, blah. Well, what about the allies of evil? What about the United States, England, Japan, Australia, and so on? These are the evildoers.

16:20 Journalist Why exactly are they evil?

16:23 Fischer Because they’ve invaded Iraq. They invaded Afghanistan. The United States invaded Afghanistan.

16:31 Schaap That was after 9/11. You said the US was evil before 9/11.

16:35 Fischer I’ve said the US is evil for a long time, yes.

16:38 Journalist Mr. Fischer, we asked one person who said that if you came back to play chess, you would still be the best in the world. Do you really, really believe that you could beat the current crop of players?

16:46 Fischer Well, it would be difficult, because there’s just so much memorisation, and I don’t have the incentive. But I think it is possible—yeah, if I really wanted to work at it, which I don’t.

16:59 Journalist Bobby, there’s a chess tournament going on down in town today. You know, young kids playing chess. There’s massive enthusiasm for chess here in Reykjavík, probably countrywide. Would you not like to maybe pass some of your knowledge to some of these—

17:13 Fischer No, I wouldn’t. This enthusiasm for chess is misplaced, because people just don’t know how utterly corrupt it is and has been for many, many years. They have no idea of the level—the amount of prearrangement that is going on.

17:33 Journalist Spassky was not a crook?

17:35 Fischer He was a crook. He is a crook. Yes.

17:37 Schaap Where have you been the last thirteen years? Where have you been spending time?

17:40 Fischer Where have I been? I’ve been in a lot of countries, many countries.

17:46 Journalist The US has said that they’re very disappointed by the Icelandic decision to grant you citizenship. What do you say about that?

17:54 Fischer Yeah, well, that is a very typical kind of slimy statement from the US, pretending that they’re talking from a high moral level, looking down on Iceland. I mean, the United States is so utterly hypocritical and corrupt. Just look at the last thing in Iraq, where they deliberately tried to kill this lady journalist from Italy. There’s absolutely no question they tried to kill her. There’s no question about it.

18:25 Schaap There’s a question whether it was intentional.

18:26 Fischer No, it was intentional. They wanted to kill her. They’ve killed many, many journalists, and almost all of them turn out to be journalists who are giving the US trouble—Al Jazeera and many other journalists who have been reporting against the war, who have been reporting honestly. And she was openly against the war, and they deliberately tried to murder her. And listen to what she says. She says the US is lying. They said they were going slowly, and then suddenly a light came on them and they were shot at for ten to fifteen seconds.

19:02 Schaap Bobby, after you won the championship…

19:04 Fischer But you don’t want to hear about that, right? Yeah, yeah—just skip over it, right? No big deal to you, right?

19:11 Schaap No, it is. If you have anything further to say, go ahead. After you won the World Championship in ’72, I think it would be fair to say that you became, in some ways, reclusive. You shut yourself off for a while.

19:24 Fischer No, no—I wouldn’t say it would be fair to say that, no.

19:27 Schaap How would you describe what happened?

19:29 Fischer I presented absolutely fair terms to Karpov. The Jew world press started a campaign to discredit my conditions against Karpov. I said: “The first player to win ten games is the winner of the match, draws not counting. If the match is tied nine wins to nine wins, draws not counting, the champion retains the title.” In other words, I would have had to beat Karpov ten games, not counting draws—excuse me, I would have to beat them nine games, not counting draws, to retain my title.

19:58 Schaap Forget chess for a moment. I mean you. When you moved to California and you had a period where you saw very few people—I mean, you personally, what was going on in your head at the time?

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[Continuation. Fischer discusses the 1972 venue selection, the Edmondson/CIA revelation, and his time in California.]

00:00 Schaap When you moved to California, you became fairly reclusive. What happened?

00:10 Fischer Most of my associates were in New York. That’s what happened.

00:24 Journalist Do you have any connection with Spassky?

00:27 Fischer Yes. I talked to him last year.

00:33 Journalist Are you still friends?

00:34 Fischer Yes, yes, we’re still friends.

00:35 Schaap Would you like to meet him in Iceland?

00:37 Fischer Sure, sure.

00:38 Schaap And play chess with him?

00:40 Fischer No, no. I’m finished with chess.

01:00 Journalist How would you comment on Icelandic foreign policy?

01:07 Fischer I don’t know much about your foreign policy, to tell you the truth.

01:22 Journalist What would you say to Mr. Bush if he were standing in front of you?

01:24 Fischer What would I say to him? I’d say hello.

01:36 Schaap Where did you go this morning when you took a walk?

01:39 Fischer Oh, I just went to get a SIM card for my mobile phone.

01:43 Schaap Did you have anything special Icelandic for lunch?

01:47 Fischer Yes. Had a very nice buffet lunch and some skyr.

01:54 Journalist What was last night all about? You went on a jeep and you drove back and forth, and you came back, and then you went to the main building. Where did you go after that?

02:03 Fischer We went on a tour up the hill and then we went back. That was conducted by the station manager. We were just sightseeing, then we came back. Then I came here to the hotel and talked to the media.

02:39 Get back to this guy. What’s your first name? Jeremy Schaap. Jeremy, yes. I hate to rap people personally, but his father, many years ago, befriended me, took me out to see Knicks games. I was twelve. Acted kind of like a father figure. And then later, like a typical Jewish snake, he had the most vicious things to say about me.

03:14 Schaap Did you read what he said about you in that article?

03:16 Fischer Did you read the article where he said I don’t have a sane bone in my body?

03:19 Schaap I’m not sure if I read it, but I know he said it.

03:25 Schaap And honestly, I don’t know that you’ve done much here today really to disprove anything he said.

03:35 Journalist What has Iceland meant to you since ’72?

03:48 Fischer It was a country I’ve always had very fond remembrances of.

04:11 Journalist How does it feel to be a free person?

04:16 Fischer It feels great. This thing in Japan—it was nothing but a kidnapping. The Jews told Bush to do this. Bush told Koizumi to do it. The US government and the Japanese government sat down and decided: Fischer must go to prison, must be punished. After that, they decided on the pretext. First they decided I have to go to prison. Then they decided to cook up whatever charges they were going to cook up.

05:11 Journalist In outwitting them, do you think this is your greatest move?

05:17 Fischer Don’t say I outwitted them. I got out of prison because of some really good friends I have here.

05:23 Journalist But you have in effect beaten the US government.

05:26 Fischer Yeah, I wouldn’t say I outwitted them.

05:27 Journalist You’ve out-manoeuvred them.

05:31 Schaap A chess analogy here—chess gave you… you looked in desperate trouble, but you sort of made a move.

05:43 Fischer This was totally illegal. This was nothing but a kidnapping. Utterly vile and criminal. And I won’t say the United States discredited themselves by kidnapping me, because they were discredited long before they kidnapped me.

06:03 Journalist Do you think the US government was totally determined to put you in prison for the long term?

06:05 Fischer Yes. Yes, I think so. They may still be. I don’t know.

06:14 Journalist But now, maybe because you’ve served your time, do you think they might back off? They might approach you in some way and try some reconciliatory gesture? Do you think they’re going to get in touch with you?

06:24 Fischer Well, they’ve taken away my passport. They destroyed my passport. The Japanese and the US illegally destroyed my passport. They never revoked my passport—this is a lie. They arrested me illegally. They incarcerated me. They confiscated and destroyed my passport. Then they said: “Oh, here’s a document, your passport was revoked December 11, 2003”—and it was revoked. They also gave two dates: December 11, 2003 is when supposedly this Allegra letter was sent to me, and also November 21, 2003 is when the US government decided to revoke my passport. These two dates are both totally false.

07:15 First they arrested me, then they destroyed my passport. Then they came up with this revocation nonsense. It’s like, let’s say somebody the government wants to destroy—wants to destroy a building, right? Some old building they don’t like for some reason, maybe some people think it’s a historical building, whatever. They want to destroy it and put up some new high-rise. They destroy the building. And then the next day they come up with a court page—they say the building is condemned. That’s not the way you do it. First you have to condemn the building, give the people who own the building a chance to go to court and stop it. And then if the court lets it go through, then you can destroy the building. First they destroyed my passport. Then they said your passport is revoked. Completely illegal in every way.

08:15 But even the so-called revocation, this letter is an absolute joke. This letter from around December 11, 2003—it’s all on the internet. It’s an absolute joke. This is from Theodore Allegra from the Philippine Embassy—a letter of 11 December 2003 to me, revoking my passport. Now, this letter has no address to me. No address. It just has the Philippine Embassy. It has no original signature—it’s just a photocopy. It has no envelope, it has no postmark. Obviously a fake letter. And on this basis they destroyed my passport and put me in prison for nine months.

09:08 And the press keeps repeating, over and over, thousands of millions: “Fischer was arrested when he tried to leave Japan on a revoked passport.” All lies. The reason they arrested me officially in Japan is, they claimed I entered Japan April 15 with a passport or a visa that was not valid. That is the only reason, the only charge they have given me. They said I entered Japan April 15, 2004 under such-and-such a code, and I violated this code. You look up the code—it says the person who enters Japan, he has to have a valid passport and a valid visa. I had both. When I entered on April 15, 2004, I had both. An absolute lie. They didn’t explain—what are they talking about? What do they mean? No explanation. I’m not allowed to go to court. I’m not allowed to contest this—for nine months.

10:10 Do they mean this Allegra letter of December 11, 2003? This is not even a letter. This is a photocopy. It’s nothing. It has no address to me, no postmark, no original signature. It’s clear to me, if this Mr. Theodore Allegra exists, they asked him: “Well, you know, sign this letter to Fischer, predated to December 11, 2003, and put your signature.” He’d say: “I ain’t going to do this. I’m not going to get in trouble signing this letter, predating it—that’s illegal.” “Okay, okay, okay, don’t worry, you just shut up, we’ll just give them the letter and make a photocopy without your original signature.” Probably what happened. Why isn’t the press talking about a letter without an original signature? If you want to put somebody in prison, if you want to get somebody deported to a country to face ten years more in prison, shouldn’t the letter at least have an original signature? Shouldn’t at least have an address? The law even was out of date—they attached six pages of the State Department laws which were out of date.

11:19 Journalist With all that being understood, you live—

11:21 Fischer Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just… I notice whenever you guys come up against, when I expose your weak points, you just want to skip over.

11:30 Journalist No, I understand that point being made.

11:32 Fischer Yeah, you understand. But what do you say about it? What do you say about it? What do you think about that? Giving me a letter without an original signature. You know what?

11:44 Journalist I don’t have enough verification, as well…

11:47 Fischer Go to the internet. Go there.

11:49 Journalist I can’t trust everything on the internet, Bobby. That being said, though, you lived in Japan for years. Why did you feel that they suddenly turned on you?

11:59 Fischer Obviously they got orders from the US.

12:04 Journalist You were living there, everything was fine…

12:06 Fischer Right. And then they suddenly ambushed me.

12:12 Journalist Are you going to keep a low profile? Attend social events in Iceland?

12:17 Fischer If I feel like it. I’m going to do what I want to do.

12:20 Journalist Did you feel like a free person when you came out of the plane in Copenhagen, and in Reykjavík met by policemen and put into cars?

12:28 Fischer Well, I felt like a free man when I met Sæmi. We took off, you know. I didn’t know what was going on with the police there in Copenhagen.

12:34 Journalist You’re happy to travel around the world? You don’t worry that the Americans will try to nab you, make it difficult?

12:39 Fischer Well, you have to worry after such an experience. They’ve shown their insanity and maliciousness.

12:46 Journalist There are certain countries you will not go to?

12:49 Fischer Well, I wouldn’t go to America.

12:52 Journalist Did you miss America at all?

12:55 Fischer No. That’s a very good question. I really believe the stinking Jews and the American government, after they indicted me in 1992, they didn’t turn the screws on me right away. They even gave me a new passport five years later.

13:11 I honestly believe they completely misread me. They thought, “Fischer is going to get homesick. It always happens. It’s going to hit him hard one day. He’s going to say, ‘I want to go home.’ ” They had a very shrewd psychologist. They thought, eventually, he’s an American, he’s lived there, he’s used to the American way—he’s going to want to go home.

13:44 They totally misread me. I haven’t missed America for a day. Not for a day.

14:11 Journalist Are you glad now that the ’72 match was held in Iceland, as opposed to Yugoslavia, which was your first choice?

14:18 Fischer Yes. Thank you. I wanted to go into that. This was the CIA.

14:34 In Amsterdam, around January ’72, they had a FIDE meeting. Me and the Russians. Spassky was there. I was with Edmondson. They opened the bids of the different countries. Iceland and Yugoslavia had fairly similar financial bids. They went to the Russians first. Spassky said Iceland.

15:45 Then they came to me. I said Iceland. Edmondson said, “No, no, don’t say Iceland. Choose Yugoslavia, and then you’ll have more leverage and you can still get Iceland.” I said I want to choose Iceland. But he kept pushing, and he convinced me to choose Yugoslavia. And that’s how all these problems began. It was just a CIA trick. Edmondson was a CIA rat.

17:19 Fischer Let me tell you a story about Edmondson. He loved to tell the story how, as the US FIDE delegate, he would go around the world to FIDE meetings and was always meeting with Baturinsky, who was the Russian FIDE delegate and was well known to be the KGB person. He was a Jew, of course.

18:12 One night, they were having drinks, and Baturinsky said, “Eddie, I’ll tell you something confidential. I’m KGB. And we know—I know—you’re CIA.” And Edmondson loved to tell us he said, “I told him, no, I’m not CIA. I’m just the FIDE delegate.” And Baturinsky said, “No, come on, be honest. We know you’re CIA.” And Edmondson refused.

18:54 But that was Edmondson’s game. He was a CIA agent. Everywhere Edmondson went, he kept telling this story as if the Russians just don’t understand what it’s like in a free society. But Baturinsky was right.

19:29 Fischer I presented absolutely fair terms to Karpov. The first player to win ten games, draws not counting. If the match is tied nine to nine, the champion retains the title. In other words, the challenger would have to beat me at least ten to eight. Not counting draws. To beat the champion. And Karpov refused these absolutely fair conditions.

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[Final segment. Fischer discusses playing chess in prison, his finances, prison fights with guards, the yellow light torture, and the Dick Schaap confrontation.]

00:00 Fischer Yes, I was actually playing in prison. There were a couple of players from Myanmar. I don’t play old chess, but since I had nothing to do, just for fun, I would play them.

00:08 Journalist And who won?

00:10 Fischer I won all the games. One game was a dead draw, but I refused to give the draw and then I beat him. One of them is actually very good. He said he’d only been playing five years in Myanmar, at the YMCA. Quite talented.

00:58 Journalist Bobby, how do you plan to make money to live in Iceland? It’s very expensive.

01:02 Fischer Well, I have money in Switzerland. I have about three and a half million dollars. It’s not a lot of money, but, you know, it’s something to live on.

01:13 Journalist Does it bother you as an Icelander that the government supports the war in Iraq?

01:19 Fischer Oh, well, I don’t know much about that. I understand it’s basically just pro forma, and that the people are very against it. And how many so-called soldiers are there? Do you have any soldiers there in Iraq?

01:31 Journalist No, no, no—not in Iraq. In Iraq it’s a political support, but we don’t have soldiers.

01:43 Fischer Oh, you don’t have soldiers. Oh, good, okay. Well, I think Mr. Garðar Sverrisson was telling me that there was a big advertisement in the New York Times a while ago that many Icelanders paid for, saying that the Icelandic people disavow the Icelandic government’s support for this unjust war in Iraq. I think you should not support it. It’s absolutely wrong to give any moral support to this criminal war of aggression by the US. It’s an absolute outrage, this war.

02:23 I remember very well watching on TV, Bush, Blair and Aznar—they were meeting somewhere in Spain, Canary Islands, or somewhere or other in Portugal, Azores or wherever. And Bush was talking about the weapons of mass destruction, and Aznar was there nodding, and Blair was there nodding. And now Bush says, “Oh, that doesn’t matter. So we lied. So what?”

02:58 Journalist Have you played games on the internet? There was that Nigel Short who was saying he was convinced he’d met you on the internet.

03:03 Fischer No, I have not. It’s all nonsense. It’s rubbish.

03:07 Journalist How do you spend your days in Iceland?

03:13 Fischer I just got out of jail. Relaxing. I had a terrible experience there. I don’t know how people like Mordechai Vanunu over in Israel could take eighteen years in solitary. It’s unbelievable. He looks like he’s in great shape mentally and physically. I don’t know how he did it.

03:40 Journalist Do you feel in good shape mentally and physically?

03:41 Fischer Yes. I’ve only been there nine months. I don’t know how this guy has done it—Mordechai Vanunu. And now he’s been indicted again. They say he’s not allowed to talk to journalists. And the United States supports Israel. Isn’t that interesting? The United States believes in freedom of speech, right? But this guy went to prison for eighteen years for saying that Israel is making atomic bombs. I thought the United States was against countries that make weapons of mass destruction.

04:17 Journalist Bobby, are there any non-Jews that you have a problem with?

04:21 Fischer Yeah. Such as? Such as Bush.

04:28 Journalist So you said the Jews are to blame for all of this, but you have a problem with Bush.

04:32 Fischer He’s a puppet of the Jews.

04:34 Journalist How so?

04:36 Fischer You remember when he was nominated for the first time, where did he celebrate? He celebrated it in Austin at a Jewish club, right? That’s a fact. It said it in the paper. I got the clipping. The club did not have a Jewish name, but it gave the name of the club and it said, “This is a Jewish club.” And he celebrated winning the nomination for the Republican Party.

05:03 Journalist That was in Texas, Bobby. I mean, he is a Texan, and Austin is one of the premier…

05:07 Fischer Yeah, but he went to a Jewish club when he was nominated as the Republican candidate to run for President in 2000, in the year 2000. Pardon me. Again, you see, I make the point. Silence. It’s always the same. Silence. Silence.

05:29 Journalist I’m allowing you to make your point, that’s all. Yeah, but say something.

05:49 Journalist What’s your attitude to the state of Israel?

05:52 Fischer Negative. Israel has no right to exist.

05:58 Journalist Mr. Fischer, there was recently in the Russian republic of Kalmykia a city built called City Chess. Would you like to visit there, or any other place in Russia?

06:07 Fischer Maybe. I heard about it. But again, I’m not interested in chess per se anymore.

06:11 Journalist But just Russia as a country—would you like to visit?

06:13 Fischer Yes, I’d like to visit someday. I haven’t been back since 1958.

06:23 Journalist Why did you get into fights with the prison guards?

06:28 Fischer I had a couple of fights with them. I was just getting angrier and angrier, waking up on the wrong side of the bed more and more.

06:40 Fischer I was put into an isolation room twice—five days each time. The second time was a really bad isolation room. You could not call the guard. The intercom did not work.

07:04 Journalist What incident caused that?

07:06 Fischer Well, the first time, I was arguing with them. I told them I wanted an extra egg and I didn’t get an egg. But that wasn’t really the issue. It was just—they were kidnapping me there endlessly. I consider the guards and everybody just to be kidnappers. So naturally I was very angry.

07:31 I grabbed the guard through the opening for food. Then I pulled him up against the door. He bounced off. As he bounced off, I ripped his shirt. And that’s what got him angry. About an hour later, a whole army of guards came in—ten, fifteen—grabbed me, carried me into the isolation room. Put me on the ground. They were all holding me down.

08:25 And then some little Japanese official says to me: “You are our prisoner. You understand that? You will never resist us. You will never fight us again. You understand that?” I said yes. And they all released me. And then I punched him in the face.

08:38 And then they were very vicious. They put my hands behind my back with arm cuffs—two separate handcuffs hooked together and chained. It was very unpleasant. Especially my right arm—one of them was cutting the circulation. For about an hour and a half. It was just torture. No reason—because I’m in the cell alone. I can’t hurt anybody.

09:51 The second incident—we were talking politics. Then he left the room and I stayed in the room. I don’t know what—I was laying on the floor in his room, and I rested a little, and I came out and I saw him talking to one of the guards. He was looking at the guard’s glasses, examining them. So—I was just in a bad mood. I said, “Let me see the glasses.” So I looked at the glasses, then I dropped them on the floor and stamped on them. And then they got angry again. About half an hour later, they all came—I was talking on the phone to Sæmi, actually, when they came in. They grabbed me forcibly, carried me horizontally with my hands and legs to a very far-away isolation cell, which was a very bad isolation cell. And the lights were on in this cell 24 hours a day for four nights.

11:02 I got about an hour and a half of sleep in about 96 hours. Especially the first night—they’ve got some kind of yellow light in the cell. They can turn on this light. You can cover yourself with ten blankets. It doesn’t matter. This light will penetrate into your being and you cannot sleep. It’s physically penetrating. It’s a very vicious thing.

11:35 So it’s very easy for the Americans to kill somebody in Guantánamo or Abu Ghraib. All they have to do is keep a light on 24 hours a day and you’ll be dead in no time.

12:07 Journalist How would you like to live your life in the near future?

12:12 Fischer Free. Free and do what I want to do.

12:17 Journalist What are your interests?

12:18 Fischer I like Fischer Random. I want to finish my clock. I like to travel. I like to talk. I have a lot of ambition—on the chessboard and off the chessboard.

12:29 Journalist When you compare yourself to Alekhine, Capablanca, Botvinnik—where do you stand?

12:43 Fischer These questions don’t really mean much. Look, if you were to take Morphy—he was a great player, everybody knows that. But if you brought him back today, I don’t think he would do well against any International Master, if he just came back not knowing the openings.

13:25 But the talent? He was tremendous. Well, it’s hard, but of course I’m partial to myself. You have to be. Otherwise, how are you going to win?

13:54 Journalist Nobody’s ever going to win twenty games in a row. Nobody before, nobody since.

13:58 Journalist Last night, at your arrival, there was a committee waiting to give you flowers and more things. And we were waiting for some spectacular, but you just went.

14:10 Fischer Because I was very, very, very tired.

14:12 Journalist So it was your decision?

14:13 Fischer I had been—well, it was everybody’s decision. I was half dead. I’d been up, you know, a very long time, flying halfway around the world, talking also to some Icelandic TV people for many, many, many hours—thirty hours.

14:32 Journalist So the RGF committee that helped bring you to Iceland—they say that they’re going to continue their activities to have other prisoners released. Do you think—

14:40 Fischer What is that? Say it again.

14:41 Journalist The RGF committee that helped bring you to Iceland. I think Sæmi is part of it. They want to continue their activities to help other people get released from prison. Will you be helping out in their activities, do you think?

14:57 Fischer You mean this Icelandic boy in America?

15:01 Journalist He’s one of them they’re talking about.

15:05 Fischer You know, I don’t know specifically about what the committee is doing, but I heard something about this. This is a terrible case. This is very vicious, what the US is doing to this Icelandic boy in America.

15:16 Journalist Do you think you’ll be supporting them either financially or publicly?

15:22 Fischer I don’t know anything about that.

15:25 Journalist Do you think the Icelandic nation should be worried having you here because of your words and actions, generally? Will they get angry, or—?

15:33 Fischer I mean, I think you can, you know, take care of yourselves.

15:47 Journalist Sæmi has told the press that he asked you not to talk badly about the Jews. Do you think he will be angry?

15:56 Fischer Well, Sæmi is a very loving person. He has his style. I have mine.

16:11 Journalist Do you feel you have a mission to expose Jewish—

16:16 Fischer I like to say and do what I want to do. I have a right to say what I want to say. The Jews have committed all these crimes against me. Abominable crimes, one after another. Systematic crimes. They robbed all my belongings. They robbed my intellectual property rights. They even robbed my name. They’ve given my name—Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess—to Learning International as their trademark. Do you know what that means? That means they can have a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess chess set, a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess chess computer. They’ve already done that—they call it a chess engine, but it’s a chess computer. They can have a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess studio, a chain of Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess studios. They can have a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess line of clothing, a Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess hotel, a chain of Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess hotels. They can use that. The US government has given Learning International carte blanche to use my name to make money.

17:24 Journalist Isn’t it dangerous that people forget Bobby Fischer the chess champ and you become Bobby Fischer the person on the podium making speeches?

17:37 Fischer What was your original question?

17:39 Journalist No, before that—do you feel it’s a mission that you, you know… because Sæmi says… Do you feel you have to?

17:47 Fischer Oh, well, I’m just explaining: I have a right to talk. The Jews commit all these crimes against me, one after another, against my property, against my name, my intellectual property rights. They claim I’m not the world champion. Just one thing after another. They indicted me, so many crimes against me—financial crimes. They’ve robbed my personal belongings in Bekins Moving and Storage. A whole room of my belongings—stuff that took me over thirty years to save. Thousands of…

18:27 Journalist All your trophies, basically.

18:28 Fischer Everything. My library, my legal files, my chess correspondence, my personal correspondence, my chess…

18:37 Journalist Where is that now?

18:37 Fischer They stole it, I don’t know. They’ve stolen everything, worth a vast fortune. When I say it’s worth hundreds of millions of dollars, I’m not exaggerating. You could get $10 million for this, just like that. It’s probably worth more than the whole goddamn Bekins Moving and Storage Company put together—the whole company. It’s one of the biggest robberies in the history of the USA. So we’re talking so many crimes against me, and now they want to take away my freedom too. I have a right at least to complain, don’t I? At least to expose this.

19:17 Journalist Have you made inquiries about where the stuff is now?

19:21 Fischer I wrote a letter to Bekins Moving and Storage, a fax demanding the return of my property, and they refused.

19:26 Journalist You wrote a pamphlet about the robbery, didn’t you?

19:30 Fischer No, no. It’s on the internet. I give a lot of interviews and there’s a lot of information about it.

19:38 Journalist Mr. Fischer, do you have any specific plans on taking a rest here—like the Blue Lagoon, whale-watching?

19:44 Fischer Oh, no, no—not yet. My friends—maybe that’s about wrapping it up. Thank you, everybody.

20:28 Journalist Jim Motts from The Guardian in London.

20:30 Fischer Oh, The Guardian. I only sign Simon & Schuster books. The original copy. Not Faber and Faber.

34 Moscow, Russia, May 15, 2005 ↑

[Fischer calls into a Moscow radio station from Reykjavík, Iceland. The interviewer is Irina, broadcasting on Yunost (68.8 AM, Moscow). This is Fischer’s only interview with a Russian media outlet. He has been free in Iceland for about seven weeks. The interview is notable for Fischer’s extended analysis of the 1984–85 Karpov–Kasparov match (citing specific games and transpositions), his views on Putin, and his most detailed account of the “Peter” incident at Narita.]

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00:49 Irina Mr. Fischer, hello. It’s Irina. In Sofia, there is a new big tournament, and it is said that you were invited but refused to go. Why?

01:07 Fischer Sofia, Bulgaria? I don’t know anything about this. That’s rubbish. First I’ve heard about it.

01:28 Irina Do you keep up with chess tournaments?

01:34 Fischer Not very much. No. What is your name?

01:37 Irina Irina.

01:41 Fischer Irina, I don’t like chess anymore. I haven’t liked chess for a long time.

[Irina translates briefly for Russian listeners.]

02:16 Irina What are you doing now in Iceland?

02:29 Fischer I’m just relaxing. I was kidnapped over in Japan. Was in prison there for almost nine months—eight months near a leaking nuclear power plant. So I’m still recovering from that. I was brutalised. I was severely injured. So I’m taking a rest now.

03:17 You know, they have a leaking nuclear power plant over in Japan—the Tōkai-mura nuclear power plant. It’s very similar to your situation, like in Chernobyl, you know. And when they kidnapped me, they kidnapped me at Narita Airport. The Japs kidnapped me at Narita Airport on July 13, 2004. And then they kept me in the prison there at the airport for about a month—over a month, until I think about August 10th. And then they took me over to the prison in Ushiku, which is only about 66 kilometres away from the Tōkai-mura nuclear power plant. So I was near a leaking nuclear power plant for about eight months.

04:19 This is leaking nuclear radiation right now. It’s been leaking nuclear radiation since 1999, when they had a massive nuclear accident there, and several people in the plant died, and over 600 people in the city, in Tōkai City, were irradiated—got nuclear radiation poisoning from this accident. So they dragged me near a leaking nuclear power plant. That was a part of the conspiracy between the US and Japan to damage my health, you know. Very, very vicious. And they wouldn’t let me go to court. They wouldn’t let me see the judge. Never. Just locked me in this prison, in the airport, and then over in Ushiku, for almost nine months altogether, you know.

05:21 Irina Yeah. Mr. Fischer, excuse me—I just have to translate it for our listeners.

[Irina translates for Russian listeners: “Mister Fisher skazal, chto on seychas otdykhayet, prosto rasslablyayetsya i vosstanavlivayetsya posle devyati mesyatsev, kotoryye on provel v tyur’me v Yaponii… Mister Fisher skazal, chto on byl zaklyuchen v tyur’mu v Yaponii, v gorode Ushiku, v shestidesyati shesti kilometrakh ot Tokyo… i seychas on dolzhen vosstanovit’sya posle prebyvaniya v tyur’me. Mister Fisher, vy tak malo obshchayetes’ s zhurnalistami, i ta informatsiya, kotoraya postupala k nam, ona dostatochno ogranichennaya. My by khoteli vse-taki znat’, i nashi slushateli v tom chisle, nemnogo podrobneye, chto posluzhilo prichinoy aresta i vot takikh zhestkikh mer po otnosheniyu k vam.”]

06:05 Irina So, Mr. Fischer, we have restricted information about you, lack of information about you, because you give so few interviews for journalists, and we just want to have more information about you. Could you tell us what was the reason for your arrest? Why were you imprisoned and locked in prison?

06:32 Fischer Let me give today’s date. Today is Sunday, May 15, 2005. And what’s the name of your radio station?

07:00 Irina Yunost.

07:03 Fischer Yunost. And where is this on the AM band?

07:21 Irina 68.8.

07:42 Irina What’s the real reason, in your opinion?

07:42 Fischer Yeah, yeah. I just want to say one thing before I forget, you know, because when I was in jail, they had a TV there in my cell. I answered that question, but I just wanted to say something else. I was watching the TV in my cell all the time, and the Japs are constantly complaining about North Korea—how North Korea has kidnapped Japanese citizens and taken them over to North Korea and kept them there, you know. Just screaming about it day and night, and almost trying to whip up a war fever in Japan against North Korea, you know, for things that happened many years ago. I think all of this happened at least over a decade ago, or several decades ago.

08:39 So the point is, I just want to say what filthy hypocrites the Japanese government is—to talk about North Korea kidnapping Japanese, when the Japanese kidnapped me. The Japanese government kidnapped me. And not only did they kidnap me, but they dragged me near a leaking nuclear power plant. Absolutely vicious and unheard of. Okay?

09:00 Irina Yes, yes. I just have to translate it.

[Irina translates for Russian listeners: “Mr. Fisher skazal, chto v Yaponii yego pokhitili i zaklyuchili v tyur’mu… Po kakoy prichine bylo pokhishcheniye, i v chem yego obvinyali? Veroyatno, prosto khoteli yego sgubit’, navredit’ yemu, potomu chto on smotrel televizor vse vremya… Kto initsiator pokhishcheniya, i v chem byla prichina, kakoye bylo obvineniye?”]

09:48 Fischer I was at the airport in Narita and I was getting ready to take a flight to the Philippines. I had been in Japan for almost 90 days. My visa was for 90 days. I had come into Japan from Hong Kong on April 15, 2004. And now I’m about to leave on July 13, 2004—about 88 days later.

10:38 So I’m at the airport getting ready to take a flight to the Philippines. Suddenly they kidnapped me. About ten guards jumped me and carried me horizontally to the prison zone, threw me in, almost killed me.

10:52 Then the next day, they gave me a document. They claimed the reason they arrested me was because I entered the country on April 15, 2004, illegally—that my passport or my visa was not good. They didn’t explain. All these documents are on the internet, you know.

11:32 In any event, can I give the internet site just in passing here, so people know where to go if they want to follow up on this case?

11:47 Irina So, we haven’t got it now. I don’t know… Could you tell me what?

11:57 Fischer The internet site where people can go to get more information about my case. Yes, it’s http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/. And the name Fischer—F-I-S-C-H-E-R, that’s how it’s spelled. Anyway, okay, so just so people can go there and get all the documents that I’m referring to.

12:34 So anyway, they threw me in jail there, and then like the next day they gave me a document to the effect that I had entered the country with an invalid passport or with an invalid visa on April 15, 2004, which was absolutely untrue. And they gave no explanation for this charge, and they’ve never given any explanation for this charge. And then this was on April—rather on July 14th.

13:15 [Irina translates for Russian listeners: “Mr. Fischer rasskazyvayet nam o tom, kak yego arestovali. Eto proizoshlo v 2004 godu, v aeroportu v Yaponii… kak v aeroportu yego zaderzhali i preprovodili v tyur’mu, ne ob"yasniv prichin, i skazav, chto u nego prosrochennyy pasport, i sootvetstvenno, on ne mozhet letet’, chto yego pasport nedeystvitel’nyy. Mr. Fischer takzhe skazal sayt, na kotorom nashi slushateli mogut poluchit’ bolee podrobnuyu informatsiyu ob etom dele i poluchit’ vse podrobnosti.”]

13:53 Fischer So then the next day, some bastard who said he was supposedly from the American Embassy… Or then the next day, okay, I’m in my cell, right, and the Jap guards come into my cell, right, at the airport, and they say, “You have a visitor from the American Embassy.”

14:17 I said, “I don’t want to see anybody from the American Embassy.” And they said, “We’re not asking you, we’re telling you. You have no choice.” I said, “I’m not going.” And then they started to grab me again, the same way they had the previous night, lifting me up to take me over to see somebody from the American Embassy.

14:37 So after they lifted me up, I walked to meet the guy from the American Embassy. And he wouldn’t tell me his name. He just said his name was Peter. He said his last name was none of my business.

14:54 He already had my destroyed passport. Within 24 hours of my arrest, the Japs had given the Americans my passport, and either the Americans or the Japs or both of them in collusion had destroyed my perfectly valid US passport.

15:15 Irina But maybe they just wanted you to pay in taxes.

15:23 Fischer No. There’s never been any charge about me paying taxes. What do you mean? Don’t say “they just wanted me to pay in taxes” like it’s a perfectly normal thing to arrest somebody and throw him in jail and destroy his passport without any charges.

[Irina translates briefly for Russian listeners: Mr. Fischer says he was probably not arrested because he didn’t want to pay taxes on the money he won at the ’92 championship against Spassky; people are not imprisoned for that. There were most likely other reasons, completely incomprehensible to him, why he was put in prison. They treated him badly.]

16:28 Irina Mr. Fischer, you said that the USA is evil. Who is evil—does it relate to ordinary citizens of this country, or to the government? The President, or all its citizens?

16:36 Fischer Well, the President is evil. Everybody knows that. But I think quite a large percentage of Americans—I don’t know what the real percentage is, you can’t know from these polls at all—but I think quite a large percentage of Americans are still going along with this government. I’ve even talked to some people over there. They say, “We’re loyal Americans. We support President Bush.” So you cannot completely exonerate the American people. They should overthrow the government. And also, these soldiers are going over there, right? So this war must have some support, you know.

[Irina translates briefly for Russian listeners.]

17:52 Irina Mr. Fischer, you speak a lot about the American President. Do you have any opinion about our Russian President—Putin? Have you got any information?

18:01 Fischer I just want to say—this tax thing is all bullshit. The US government has never charged me with any tax violation. They indicted me December 15, 1992, for playing chess in Yugoslavia. Nothing to do with taxes. So let’s put that to rest. There are no charges whatsoever against me tax-wise. It’s just Jew propaganda.

18:42 Irina Jew propaganda from what side?

18:45 Fischer From America—yeah, mainly from America. But the Jews are working together all over the world.

18:46 Irina Okay, but we’ll get back to that. Let me get over to your opinion about Mr. Putin?

19:09 Fischer I think he’s doing some really good things with this Khodorkovsky case. He put him in jail. There’s no question Khodorkovsky is a Jewish robber baron.

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[Continuation. Fischer on the Khodorkovsky case, Chechnya, the 1984–85 match analysis, and the Allegra letter.]

00:00 Fischer Yeah. There’s no question. This Khodorkovsky is a Jewish robber baron. You’ve got a whole bunch of those guys who are billionaires with outrageous sums of money. Where they got it, how they got it—nobody knows exactly. It’s all corruption. All this was under Yeltsin, I guess, right?

00:35 Irina Yes, yes.

00:38 Fischer And also this Khodorkovsky—I read this already right after he was arrested, not long after he was arrested. When was that, a year or two ago? Anyway, he is connected to one of the Rothschilds over there in England. He has a contract with them and an agreement with them. He’s like a partner with the Rothschilds, you know that? Yes, check it out. He’s a partner with the Rothschilds. So this would basically be a Jewish and even a foreign takeover of Yukos Oil. I think they were angling to put the company into Rothschild ownership in England. And then if Russia touched the company, they would say, “This is like an act of war. You’re stealing billions of dollars of a foreign company. You’re trying to expropriate a foreign company.”

01:24 So I think that was one of Putin’s thoughts when he arrested Khodorkovsky. I think this is a good thing he’s doing. A number of these Jewish robber barons—they’re in England and elsewhere. Putin is trying to extradite them back to Russia, right? Yes. I think this is good what he’s doing regarding these robber barons in Russia. I think this is really excellent. And I was really amazed that he’s doing it, because naturally he’s getting Jews all over the world infuriated. The Jews are all working together, you know. Berezovsky, Abramovich—a whole bunch of them. I think Putin is doing a really good thing regarding them.

02:14 Irina Yes. Mr. Fischer, I’ll start the translation.

[Irina to Russian listeners: “Mister Fisher skazal, chto on dovolen vneshney politikoy prezidenta Putina, i bylo sovershenno pravil’no arestovat’ Khodorkovskogo, kotoryy imel delo v Anglii… Mister Fisher skazal, chto Putin pravil’no arestoval Khodorkovskogo, i v printsipe nakazal i takikh lyudey kak Berezovskiy, Abramovich.”]

02:33 Fischer Now regarding the war in Chechnya—I thought, I don’t really understand what’s happening there, because I thought that General Lebed had made some kind of peace there. Remember, that was back in the ’90s when Yeltsin appointed him to try and make peace in Chechnya. And I thought it had quieted down, but now apparently it’s going again. I would really like to see, you know, if somehow they cannot make peace there. And if the pan-Arab world and the Muslim world cannot work together with Russia to bring down the USA, to finish off the filthy USA, you see? I hate to see Russia fighting with the Muslim world.

03:57 Irina With the USA, yes?

03:58 Fischer No, no, I hate to see Russia fighting with the Muslim fundamentalists or with the Muslim world. I’d like to see if they could not work out some kind of understanding and work together to bring down the US, you see. Russia and the Muslim and the pan-Arab world—the Arab world—work together to bring down the US. I think this is much more productive than fighting this war in Chechnya.

04:26 Irina Okay, I had to translate that. Mr. Fischer said that Russia should work together with the whole Islamic world to oppose America.

[Irina then introduces the next topic in Russian: “Ya by khotela pereyti k politicheskim voprosam, k shakhmatam. U menya yest’ vopros k Misteru Fisheru: yest’ li u vas druz’ya sredi rossiyskikh shakhmatistov?”]

04:37 Translator I would like to move on from political issues to chess. I have a question for Mr. Fischer. Do you have friends among Russian chess players? How do you feel about the fact that chess has been split in the world?

04:46 Irina So, Mr. Fischer, what’s your opinion about the Russian chess school? What do you think about the split in chess worlds on the whole? I mean, there are a lot of tournaments and there is no one world chess champion. What do you think about it?

05:13 Fischer Well, I don’t know if there’s no one world chess champion. You’re talking to him right now. Everything that happened back in 1975 was completely illegal. But I have absolutely no interest in old chess. The game is dead. It’s just all prearrangement and memorisation. But let me get back to this case in Japan—what they did to me. You didn’t let me finish. You’re jumping from one topic to another, you know?

05:45 Irina Okay, yes, please continue, Mr. Fischer.

05:47 Fischer Yeah. Okay. So they took me to see this guy from the US Embassy. I’m over there in jail, right? They took me into a room to see this guy from the US Embassy who wouldn’t even tell me his last name. He just told me his first name was Peter. He said his last name doesn’t concern me. It’s all explained in detail on the internet site, the statement of facts. And then they destroyed my passport. And after this guy from the US Embassy left—he said he was going to leave me my destroyed passport, what was left of it—but he didn’t leave it. He just took it back to the embassy with him. And then the Jap guards came in right after he left and they gave me a letter.

06:41 This is a letter dated December 11, 2003, from the American Embassy in Manila, Philippines, signed by Theodore Allegra. It’s all on the internet. According to this letter, my passport was revoked on that date, December 11, 2003. But this letter revoking my passport is totally fake. It was just a photocopy—not the original letter, if there ever was an original letter. I don’t think there ever was. There’s just a photocopy of a letter with a photocopied signature. It had no address to me on it, no address at all—it just had the Manila US Embassy in the Philippines. No address to me, no postmark, nothing.

07:48 And on this basis, they put me in jail nine months and never allowed me to see the judge or go to court. It’s obviously a fake letter. No address to me. I never saw this letter, never heard of it until after they had kidnapped me—they would call it arrested me—and destroyed my passport. That’s the first time they showed me this letter regarding a revocation.

08:17 And the letter is garbage. No original signature, no postmark, no address. A nonsensical letter. And also they gave me some kind of photocopies of the US legal code regarding your passport, but the legal code they gave me was out of date. It wasn’t even an up-to-date legal code. So it was absolutely nonsensical and illegal in every way. This was nothing but a kidnapping. Everyone knows it.

08:50 The US government is just so filthy and corrupt, just like what they’re doing over in Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib prisons, and the prisons over there in Kandahar, Afghanistan. They’re just criminal bastards, the US government. Animals.

09:14 And the Japs are working with them. This Koizumi government, the Liberal Democratic Party—it’s not a party, it’s just an occupation government of Japan. The government in Japan has no more legitimacy than the new government, so-called, over there in Iraq. It’s just a puppet government set up by the Americans.

09:45 Irina (in Russian) Mr. Fischer said that his detention in Japan was completely illegal, and that before this he was sent a letter with the accusation of fraud, which had neither a real signature of a human being nor a stamp affixed to it. It was an absolutely fraudulent letter. And Fischer mentioned the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party, which is absolutely undemocratic and is simply an occupation of Japan, and that his arrest was completely illegal.

10:16 Translator Mr. Fischer…

10:23 Irina Could we turn back to chess? I mean, your chess—you invented your own chess, right?

10:30 Fischer Yeah, you know, I have no objection to talk. I have my Fischer Random. But we’re dealing with a really outrageous kidnapping by the filthy Jew-controlled US government, and I think it really merits further discussion. But okay—what do you want to know about Fischer Random? Tell me, tell me.

10:54 Irina Sir, you invented your own chess. What differentiates it from old chess, and do you think it will be popular with people? I mean, your own chess—Fischer’s chess?

11:05 Fischer I think it will be. I think it will be. The Jews, of course, they don’t like Fischer Random because it’s a game of skill and it’s much harder to prearrange. And also they don’t have any organisation controlling Fischer Random, you see—like FIDE controls chess, and then some other upstart organisations also are controlling chess. But no organisation is controlling Fischer Random, you see. So the Jews feel that it’s very hard for them to control the game, very hard for them to cheat in the game, and they don’t like it at all. But it’s a much superior game to chess.

11:49 Irina But Mr. Fischer, not only Jews play chess. Maybe for ordinary people from other nations, maybe your chess will be popular with them?

12:00 Fischer Yeah, I hope so. Yes, I hope so.

12:03 Irina So Mr. Fischer, what do you think about this chess world today? I mean, that there are…

12:10 Fischer Yeah, yeah, I could care less. I could care less about the old chess and the old chess politics, you know. My only interest in the old chess is to show how all the different prearranged matches have been held. For example, the Karpov–Kasparov match, 1984–85—I’ve studied that match quite thoroughly. It was prearranged move by move. Every single move of every single game of that match was prearranged. And I believe all of the Karpov–Kasparov matches were prearranged move by move. I believe the Karpov–Korchnoi matches were also prearranged move by move. Every move, every game.

12:54 Irina So the match between Karpov and Kasparov was prearranged, yes?

12:59 Fischer Yes, absolutely. Well, they played five matches. I believe they were all prearranged move by move, every move of every game. Yeah, this is my honest opinion, but I’ve studied in particular the first match, ’84–’85, and there’s absolutely no question—every move of every game in every game was prearranged. Absolutely no question about that. And I’m quite sure all of Karpov’s so-called World Championship matches were prearranged move by move.

13:14 And I’m also quite sure that going back even further, Karpov’s so-called Candidates matches with Spassky and the so-called Candidates matches with Korchnoi back there in 1974 were also prearranged move by move. I’m sure those were also prearranged move by move. Yeah, I’m quite sure.

13:42 But there’s no question at all about the ’84–’85 match. I think it was 47 games or something. Prearranged move by move. There is no question about that. Absolutely no question.

13:56 Irina (in Russian) I have to translate. Mr. Fischer said that he is not interested in old chess anymore. All the matches that are being played now are arranged in advance, calculated step by step, and it is known who will win. For example, there was a match between Kasparov and Karpov where everything was already discussed.

14:21 Translator I have a question for Mr. Fischer. Garry Kasparov says that you are one of the best chess players in the world. He has a very high opinion of you. Did you have any friendly relations with him? What do you think about him as a chess player, and his departure?

14:43 Irina So Mr. Fischer, we talked with Garry Kasparov, and he said that he supposed you to be the best among chess players. What do you think about Kasparov’s leaving chess? What do you think about him as a man, as a person?

14:59 Fischer Look, anybody who prearranges matches, right, is obviously a crook. The man is a crook. He’s an absolute crook, you know. He is a liar. He is a crook. He is a criminal. I always refer to him as the criminal. I don’t even call him Kasparov—or by his original name of Weinstein. I call him “the criminal.”

15:23 And also, now he’s trying to get involved in politics against Putin. To me, if Kasparov attacks Putin, that’s like an endorsement for Putin, as far as I’m concerned.

15:45 Irina (in Russian, summarising for listeners) That Kasparov is a liar and a criminal, and that he is trying to make a campaign against Putin does not characterise him in any way.

16:08 Fischer This man Kasparov is evil. I have been saying for years: somebody should ask Kasparov live about my charges that his match in ’84–’85, the so-called World Championship match with Karpov—my charge is that every move of every game was prearranged. They should ask Kasparov this and then tape-record his voice live, and you will see he is lying. Then they can run his voice through a voice lie-detector. You will see he is lying. But you won’t even need a voice lie-detector—you’ll just be able to tell from his nervousness, you know?

16:53 There’s no question. The man is… it’s so obvious. Study the match. It’s so utterly obvious. Just a second here—I’ll be back in about three seconds. I just want to get the book. I have the book of the match. One second.

17:20 Fischer Yeah, I have the book. This is the Moscow Marathon, you know? This is a book by Speelman and Tisdall. And I mean, these games are so utterly absurd, you know.

17:34 Irina You mean what game? Kasparov against who?

17:38 Fischer Karpov, Kasparov, this 1984–85 match, you know. It’s just so utterly absurd—the match, just so obviously… I think it was 48 games. Yeah, 48-game match. I just wanted to check that too. Forty-eight game. It’s a totally… I mean, for example, one game, this is game number 6 of that match—the ’84–’85 match. They transposed into another game that had been played before, in an endgame, which it’s like a billion-to-one possibility that they would reach the same position.

18:38 You know, they transposed into the game MacGrillen–Formanek, London 1973. And this move—when Kasparov, rather when Karpov, played the 51. Rb2, it transposes with colours reversed into a game that had been played over ten years earlier—like twelve years, let’s see, eleven years, eleven, twelve years earlier. Totally absurd, you know.

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[Kasparov (White) vs Karpov (Black), World Championship Match 1984/85, game 6, Moscow, 26 September 1984—position after Karpov’s 51… Rb2, White to move. Material: K+R+3P each side. White (Kasparov) pawns f4, g3, h2; Black (Karpov) pawns a3, f7, h6. Game continued 52. Rxa3 Rxh2 53. Kb1 Rd2 54. Ra6 Kf5, eventually 0–1. Fischer in the radio interview says “Karpov played the 51. Rb2,” meaning 51… Rb2.]

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[MacGrillen (White) vs Formanek (Black), London II 1973—position after 49. Rb7, Black to move (eventually drawn).]

19:11 Irina (in Russian, summarising) Yes, I had to say that. Mr. Fischer says the match between Kasparov and Karpov was absolutely fictive, that the same moves that Kasparov made match a game that was played in 1973, and this proves that he was prepared in advance. And Kasparov is lying, because if you check him on the lie detector, you will see he is clearly nervous, and that’s why he is not telling the truth.

19:42 Translator Mr. Fischer, if you’re not taking part in any tournaments now—I’m sorry for the incorrect question, but what money do you live on?

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[Continuation. Fischer’s finances, the Tony Saidy game, Miyoko Watai, nuclear disarmament, and views on Putin.]

00:02 Irina From what resources do you have money?

00:16 Fischer I have about $3,500,000 in the Union Bank of Switzerland. But I don’t have it in dollars. It’s in Swiss francs and various gold, platinum, silver, stocks, whatever. That’s what I’ve been living off for many years.

00:45 But I want to get back to this match. Game 9 of the ’84–’85 Karpov–Kasparov match was a prearranged game based on one of my games with Tony Saidy from the US Championship that I had played long before their prearranged game. If you go through the match, you will just see—these games are so obviously staged.

01:34 They took the endgame I reached against Saidy and reached the same ending by a different route—which is not difficult when you’re prearranging a game move by move. And then they embellished it and made what is supposed to be a brilliant endgame by Karpov out of it.

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[Saidy (White) vs Fischer (Black), US Championship 1963/64, round 11, 1 January 1964—position after 23. Bxc1 Nd7, just as the game settles into a minor-piece endgame (eventually 0–1). White: K + B + a3, b2, d4, f2, g2, h2. Black: K + N + a6, b7, d5, f7, g7, h7. Fischer (Black) won this game on the way to his historic 11/11 sweep of the US Championship.]

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[Karpov (White) vs Kasparov (Black), World Championship Match 1984/85, game 9, Moscow, 5 October 1984—position after 45… Bb1, when the bishop-vs-knight endgame is just settled (1–0). White: K + N + a3, b2, d4, f3, g3, h4. Black: K + B + a6, b5, d5, f6, g5, h5. Note that the pawn files on each side are identical to the Saidy–Fischer position above (a, b, d, f, g, h, with c- and e-files empty for both sides) and the central d4/d5 standoff is the same; the difference is that the Karpov game has pushed several pawns further. The “knight side” wins in both endings—Fischer/Black in Saidy, Karpov/White in this game. Fischer’s claim that Karpov “reached the same ending by a different route” has real visual basis at this moment, though the structure is also a common product of Tarrasch/Symmetric-English/QGD families.]

02:03 I’ve been saying this for years. The Jews say, “Oh, that’s all nonsense,” but it’s not nonsense—it’s the absolute truth, and they know it. Kasparov is just a gangster. He is a disgrace to chess. He is a disgrace to the human race. He is not something Russia should be proud of. He should join Khodorkovsky in prison. I mean, the crimes he has committed—he has committed a terrible fraud with all of these prearranged games and prearranged matches.

02:48 You people in Russia should wake up to what kind of gangsters your so-called chess heroes and chess stars are—including Karpov, Korchnoi, all of them. They’re all just criminals.

[Irina translates briefly for Russian listeners: “People in Russia should wake up and finally see that Karpov, Kasparov and other champions of ours are just gangsters and criminals—they should all be put in prison.”]

03:36 Irina Mr. Fischer, you have a lot of information about Russia and about Russian people. Do you keep up with Russia? Maybe before our interview you watch TV and look through some magazines, some journals? Or do you just keep up with our history?

03:57 Fischer Yeah, mainly I read. I listen to the BBC a lot. Here in Reykjavík, they’re on the FM band 24 hours a day, the BBC World Service. I read various Jew-controlled publications—sometimes The Economist or Time magazine—and I read a lot of Jewish books, you know. I try to read some anti-Jew books too. But I keep up on the news—I’m following what’s happening in Russia, in Ukraine, and what’s happening down in Uzbekistan now.

[Irina translates Fischer’s answer briefly for Russian listeners: he constantly listens to the BBC World Service, available in Reykjavík on FM 24 hours a day; he also reads The Economist and follows events in Russia, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan.]

05:23 Irina Mr. Fischer, you had a very difficult time during those months in the Japanese prison. I am sorry to remind you of this, but who stayed with you? Who of your close friends—maybe your wife—supported you morally? Our listeners would like to know who supported you when you were imprisoned. Maybe it was your wife?

05:56 Fischer No. I’m not married. Miyoko is a very good friend of mine. She helped me a lot to try to get me out. This talk about marrying her—this was just purely a legal manoeuvre, just humouring my kidnappers, because they would not let me go to court or go free.

06:58 Irina Are you going to marry Miyoko Watai?

07:04 Fischer No, no. We’re just good friends. This marriage stuff while you’re kidnapped is complete nonsense. You’re kidnapped, you’re not bound by any agreement you make with the kidnappers. You just humour them. You tell them what they want to hear to try to get out. You know what I mean?

[Irina translates briefly: Mr. Fischer says that he and Miyoko Watai—also the president of the Japanese Chess Federation—are not going to get married; all this was done as a tactic to escape prison. She is his very close friend, a good friend. He just decided in this way to humour his captors when it was impossible to negotiate with them.]

08:06 Fischer You know, let me just say about the US and the Japs—they’re the same, because Japan, or “Japland” as I call it, is controlled by the US. They don’t really have their own government there, you know, but they’re always bellyaching about democracy and all this crap. When they—the Japs kidnapped me, put me in jail for nine months, and I was never allowed to go to court, never allowed to see the judge for nine months. What kind of due process of law is that? So the Japs and the Americans are the worst hypocrites. And the US, after all the crimes they’ve committed, they’re still talking about human rights—complaining this country and that country is not living up to their standards. Well, they are the worst violators of human rights in the world, the US. They’re poisoning Iraq with depleted uranium, killing hundreds of thousands of people.

09:13 And the Japs are just following the US, you know, like sheep. The Japs are following the US to their own destruction. They built sixty nuclear power plants there—practically turning the country into a radioactive wasteland. Japan is an accident waiting to happen. Japan is a nuclear accident waiting to happen.

10:06 You know, the Japs said the only way you can get out of jail is you have to marry a Japanese. So I just humoured them, but I’m not married to her. No, that’s complete nonsense.

10:33 I’m really disappointed with the Japs. I thought they were decent people, and I couldn’t believe the way these Jap immigration guards just threw me into jail like this suddenly. I mean, they’re just pigs, the Japs—really, just pigs.

10:53 This Koizumi is a gangster. This guy has to be punished. This guy, I think, is going to have to flee one day to the filthy US, you know—once this occupational government over there in Japan is overthrown, he’s going to have to spend his last days in the US playing rock and roll music and watching American movies.

11:52 Irina Why did Iceland help you?

12:07 Fischer No, no. The Iceland Chess Federation had nothing to do with this at all. I contacted my old friend—my bodyguard from 1972, my 1972 match with Spassky—after I got kidnapped by the Japs. I called him from jail and we were talking, you know. And eventually he got the Icelandic government, first to grant me political asylum, and then later, when the Japs still wouldn’t let me out, then he got the Icelandic government to give me citizenship. I have a new Icelandic ten-year passport, by the way. I just got it a few days ago.

13:13 Irina So, Mr. Fischer, could you tell us the name of your bodyguard who helped you to move here?

13:19 Fischer That’s Sæmi Pálsson. His name is Sæmi Pálsson.

13:31 No, yeah, he was the one. He was the main driver behind getting me out of here. I mean, getting me out of Japan, getting me over here, you know.

14:07 Irina Mr. Fischer, it’s amazing that only Sæmi Pálsson, your bodyguard, tried to help you, but there are a lot of other people who are your friends and your close friends. Why didn’t they help you—only Sæmi Pálsson? But there are so many fans of your talent.

14:32 Fischer I wouldn’t say nobody else tried. My friend Miyoko over in Japan tried to help me.

14:46 Irina When did you first meet Miyoko Watai?

14:51 Fischer Back in ’73, I think. I had just been in the Philippines and was stopping by Japan.

15:06 Irina Last question. In your opinion, what will our world look like in ten years or a hundred years?

15:43 Fischer It’s a very, very serious situation now with all these nuclear reactors, nuclear bombs. Unless we can do something about the Jewish problem and the Jew-controlled United States, I think we’re heading toward nuclear war.

16:18 When I was in Japan, I read on the front page of the Japan Times that the US is talking about outsourcing nuclear strikes. Rather than do the nuclear attack themselves, they may give it to a third country to do it for them, so the US can keep their hands clean. This sounds like insanity, but it was on the front page.

16:57 You’re talking about a country—the United States—that is totally out of control. It has to be brought down. It is not a civilised country. It has to be eliminated from the world scene.

17:32 The United States is evil. It is a rogue country. And the United States, the Jew-controlled United States, started this nuclear arms race. They’re the ones who have made this world the hell that it is.

17:50 They started the nuclear arms race when they built the first atom bomb in the United States, back there in 1945—I think they exploded it in Alamogordo, New Mexico.

18:06 They started it all, and now they’re complaining about North Korea and Iran. They don’t complain about Israel, of course—but they complain about North Korea and Iran and Pakistan and India and all these other countries that have nuclear weapons. But they started it all. And they want other countries to give up their nuclear-weapon ambitions, but they themselves are doing nothing about their nuclear bombs.

18:34 If the United States has any sense left at all—if they want to save the planet—they should unilaterally destroy all of their nuclear weapons. It would be risky. But if they don’t do it, there is no risk—it’s just going to happen, a nuclear war. So it’s better to take the risk.

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[Final segment of the f_34 interview.]

00:01 Irina (in Russian, summarising Fischer’s previous remarks) Mr. Fischer said that our world is in serious danger because of the nuclear weapons that many countries have. In this situation, it is not clear to him the position of America, which does not allow other countries to develop nuclear weapons, but at the same time does nothing to destroy its own nuclear weapons. And this can end with our planet being completely destroyed. We need to do something—it is risky, of course, but we need to destroy all nuclear weapons, and only in this way can we survive in the future.

00:38 Irina Thank you very much, Mr. Fischer. Unfortunately, our time has come to an end. We wish you health, to recover. I hope we will contact you again, and I hope you will leave your coordinates.

00:53 Irina Mr. Fischer, it’s a pity, but we haven’t got time anymore. We just want to thank you for our interview and to tell you that you should recover from prison—you should have a good mood. We’d like to thank you for this interview. What are your future prospects?

01:13 Fischer Let me just say one more thing. The nuclear reactors are also insanity. They should all be closed down. The United States was encouraging countries to build nuclear power plants starting in the 1950s with their Atoms for Peace programme. And now they’re upset that Iran and North Korea have nuclear capabilities. The US started it all.

01:39 All this nuclear madness was started in the USA. It was all started with a letter from the Jew Albert Einstein to President Franklin Roosevelt, back in about 1934. He sent him a letter telling him he should build an atom bomb. And the US and the Jews started the nuclear madness. They are to blame for it.

02:09 The US should make a grand gesture now—destroy all their nuclear weapons and close down all their nuclear reactors. They’re supposed to destroy all their nuclear weapons according to the Non-Proliferation Treaty. The US and Russia and the great powers are supposed to destroy their weapons.

02:46 They cannot use the NPT against other countries when they themselves have violated it. The reason other countries signed the NPT was because they were told: this is a way to get rid of nuclear weapons forever. If you agree not to build your own, the great powers will get rid of theirs. Countries signed it on that basis. But the US hasn’t kept their part.

03:27 I’m sure if the US will unilaterally destroy their nuclear weapons and get the ball rolling, other countries will follow suit.

03:36 Irina What do you think about Russia today?

03:43 Fischer I think Putin is doing some very good things. I think he’s a mixed bag. But the war in Chechnya—I would like to see peace made there. Regarding these Jewish robber barons, he’s trying to restore law and order. I hope he succeeds. Things are improving, especially compared to Yeltsin. Yeltsin was just a drunkard and a criminal working for the US, absolutely destroying the country.

04:31 I don’t like what Gorbachev did either. But Putin—I think his heart is in the right place.

05:01 I think, as I say, he’s a mixed bag. I think he’s trying to accommodate the Jews too much. He went to the opening of that big synagogue in Moscow. Then he went to this Auschwitz memorial about the Holocaust—which is rubbish. There was no Holocaust. That’s all made up. But I think he means well overall.

05:32 Irina What are your future prospects?

05:36 Fischer I want to play Fischer Random chess. That’s what I’m really hot to play. It’s a vast improvement over chess. An exciting game. I’m ready to play anybody if the price is right, if the money is there.

06:04 I don’t play with anybody right now, but I want to play a real match of Fischer Random. I have a special clock I want to use, with a voice synthesiser and many special features. I think it will set the chess world—even the whole world—on fire. It’s much more interesting than old chess. A fresh game. A game of skill. Nothing to do with memorisation. I’m ready to play even the criminal. Even the criminal, I’m ready to play him, Fischer Random.

07:05 Irina Could you give us your mobile phone or email?

07:07 Fischer On the air? Are we on the air?

07:14 Irina We’re not on the radio now.

07:21 Fischer Oh, I see. When was the interview over?

07:27 Irina It’s over in one minute. We’re still on the air right now.

07:38 Fischer You can call the hotel. Maybe you call me back later, okay?

08:04 Fischer So anyway, the interview is over now?

08:08 Irina Yes. Thank you very much, Mr. Fischer.

08:10 Fischer Okay. Thank you.

35 Reykjavík, Iceland, October 16, 2006 ↑

[This is the final interview in the series. Fischer speaks with Icelandic journalist Sigurður Tómasson on an Icelandic radio station. Fischer has been living in Iceland for about nineteen months. The interview is remarkable for its focus on the UBS banking dispute—a new crisis in which his Swiss bank account is being closed under US pressure—and for a long, affectionate passage about Capablanca and the chess greats of the past. This is the most reflective and, at times, most serene interview Fischer gives. He would die in Reykjavík on January 17, 2008, about fifteen months later.]

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[Programme opens at 00:00 with instrumental music, then Sigurður G. Tómasson identifying his Saga radio programme. Then the 10 o’clock news in Icelandic: Swedish Culture Minister Cecilia Stegö Chiló resigning over sixteen years of unpaid TV-licence fees and unreported domestic-help payments (the second minister to resign in two days from the Reinfeldt government, after Maria Borelius’s tax-evasion scandal); first flight of Iceland Express’s Vestmannaeyjar–Reykjavík route under government contract; pending merger of Mjólkursamsalan (Reykjavík), Norðurmjólk and Mjólkursamlag Kaupfélagshreyfingar into a single national dairy operation, exempt from competition law; total Icelandic fish-catch down about six per cent year-on-year but September catch nearly seven per cent higher than September last year; three ptarmigan hunters lost in three different parts of the country, all rescued; horses loose on Suðurlandsvegur near Ingólfsfjall. Music. At 04:35 Tómasson reintroduces the programme: “Good listeners, this is Sigurður G. Tómasson, the clock approaching eleven. And a guest has come to me in the studio—a radio guest—and he has actually been in a conversation with me before, but then over the phone from Japan. His name is Robert James Fischer, or rather Bobby Fischer, one of our new Icelanders. It actually wasn’t effortless to get the Icelandic authorities to grant him citizenship, but it succeeded in the end.”]

05:09 Tómasson Mr. Fischer, it’s nice to have you with us here. I hope you are having a good time in Iceland.

05:13 Fischer Yes. Hi.

05:14 Tómasson This is a special occasion for this interview. I would like to ask you straight about your business with the Swiss bank, UBS. Is it true that this bank wrote you a letter and terminated the business they had with you? You have an account in the bank and a lot of money, and they just asked for information about where to transfer the money because they were closing your account. Do you know why they did this?

06:22 Fischer No. They’re refusing to say why.

06:25 Tómasson They gave no reason?

06:29 Fischer No reason. They just say it’s their right. They don’t have to explain. Just “get out.”

[Tómasson briefly summarises in Icelandic for listeners.]

07:09 Tómasson But Mr. Fischer, they don’t give any reason for this termination. Do you know if they have done this to anybody else?

07:23 Fischer I don’t know about that. All they say is they’re closing it under Article 13 of their General Conditions, which they say gives them the right. But when you go over to Article 13, it doesn’t give them that right. Article 13 talks about bank loans. I haven’t taken out any bank loans with UBS.

[Tómasson summarises in Icelandic for listeners: the Article 13 reference, the loan provisions, the absence of any precedent for banks closing accounts of long-standing customers.]

08:47 Tómasson But you tried to get more explanation from the bank? How did you proceed? Did you have any result?

08:58 Fischer I got a lawyer here, and he tried to get an explanation. They just refused to give any reason. They say they don’t have to.

09:14 Tómasson But they have a special ombudsman—

09:18 Fischer That ombudsman is a complete phony. Anyway, if you go to the file on the internet—that’s fischer.jp—you can get the address of the ombudsman and print out their literature. They admit in their own literature that they’re in the pay of the Swiss Bankers’ Association. So it’s a joke. They’re being paid by an association that UBS is a member of—and probably the most prominent member. They have no business calling themselves an ombudsman.

[Tómasson translates briefly in Icelandic, summarising for listeners.]

10:48 Tómasson But you must have, on your own, some ideas who is behind this.

10:56 Fischer There’s no question the Jew-controlled United States is behind this. When I talked on the phone to Mr. Ragoli of UBS, when he told me they’re closing my account, he said, “We’re under enormous pressure.” He didn’t explain where the pressure was coming from, but it’s obviously the US.

11:31 For example, I was just reading in the current issue of Newsweek, October 16, 2006—it talks about the situation with North Korea. It says the financial sanctions are very severe. “The United States has in effect asked all banks in the world not to deal with North Korea or to handle any transactions involving the country.”

12:01 Tómasson So are you saying you’re in the same category as an enemy of the state as North Korea?

12:10 Fischer Yes, of course. They’ve robbed all my belongings in the US. The biggest robbery in the history of the United States. The US government, Bob Ellsworth and the Bekins Moving and Storage Company in Pasadena, California, robbed all of my belongings in storage—my cash, valuables and other belongings. Took me over thirty years to save up all the stuff, and they just stole it, down to the last scrap of paper. The stuff is worth hundreds of millions of dollars—even billions of dollars.

12:43 Tómasson And they sold this on?

12:44 Fischer Oh, they stole it.

12:45 Tómasson They stole it and sold it.

12:47 Fischer What they did with it, I don’t know. You can’t trust what the press says.

12:51 Tómasson Well, you see on the inside, they sold it. That’s a fact. And have you had any other indications that you are still regarded as an enemy of the United States of America?

13:10 Fischer Well, I was kidnapped in Japan for nine months, dragged near a leaking nuclear power plant. Kept there in isolation for nine months in a prison there. The air is radioactive there, the land is radioactive. I was even told by another prisoner that about a year earlier they had closed down the water in the prison for some time, because the water was radioactive. From this accident that happened—this is in Tokai City, Tōkai-mura Nuclear Power Plant. They had a massive nuclear accident in 1999. Three people in the plant died, and about 630 people in the town got irradiated.

14:00 Tómasson It was close to this location?

14:01 Fischer Yes, yes, it’s very close. It’s about, I think, 60 kilometres or something like that. And I asked the prison to transfer me to another prison to get away from this nuclear radiation. They refused. Very vicious. This was obviously a part of the conspiracy to harm my health and to kill me.

14:28 Tómasson But back to the money. The UBS in Switzerland—they tried to send the money to the Icelandic Landsbankinn. They had found out from your own transactions, of course, that you had the bank account in Landsbankinn. They tried to send the money there. Or they did send it?

14:47 Fischer They did send it. They liquidated my assets there. I had an equity fund and also several hundred thousand Swiss francs’ worth of gold, platinum, and silver—precious metals. They sold all of that without my permission and sent it along with my other assets.

15:16 Absolutely criminal, because I had saved those metals over ten years ago, just sitting on them, waiting for the price to go up. And since then, the price has gone up much more. In other words, I’ve lost several hundred thousand Swiss francs on that part of their actions alone. Completely criminal.

16:09 Tómasson What have you been doing against these actions?

16:16 Fischer Well, I have a lawyer here—this is Logos, a legal firm here. And they’ve been in correspondence with UBS, and we’ve been trying to get the special regulations that govern these savings accounts. And we’ve been trying to get them since February from UBS, but they keep stalling, and they’re not sending the genuine regulations. You can read it all in the file. Go to fischer.jp, and that’s on the first page, then you click on to this 109-page file, the Fischer UBS file.

[Icelandic translation by Tómasson recapping for listeners: that UBS sent the money to Landsbankinn but the bank sent it back; that UBS sold off Fischer’s gold, silver and platinum holdings against his will at a low valuation; that he has lost a great deal of money in the forced liquidation. Then Tómasson introduces the next question: “But Bobby, the money you had in your account in UBS—was it what you got, for example, some of the money you got in Yugoslavia?”]

18:18 Tómasson Bobby, the money you had in your account in UBS—was it what you got, for example, some of the money you got in Yugoslavia?

18:30 Fischer Yes. It was from my 1992 match with Spassky.

18:35 Tómasson That has never been a secret? You have never been secretive about that?

18:41 Fischer No, no.

18:43 Tómasson Because, well, that’s what they officially say you have done against the United States—going against the sanctions that were against the former Yugoslavia. You played chess there. But they have broken the sanctions themselves, haven’t they?

19:06 Fischer Who’s “they”?

19:07 Tómasson The officials of the United States of America. I think you have talked about on your homepage about the selling of arms…

19:20 Fischer Oh, I think Garðar has said something about that on his letter, yeah.

19:25 Tómasson Excuse me…

19:26 Fischer What is your name?

19:28 Tómasson Sigurður.

19:29 Fischer Your first name?

19:31 Tómasson Yes.

19:37 Fischer Well, the point is—I cannot allow UBS to just kick me out of their bank without any reason. Because it sets a very dangerous precedent. Supposing I want to open an account in Luxembourg or Hong Kong or the Cayman Islands—right away, the US can contact them and say, “Do you know this is hot money? Fischer was kicked out of UBS.”

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[Continuation. Fischer on the UBS precedent, his financial situation, Iran, eavesdropping, and Icelandic foreign policy.]

00:00 Fischer And the bank will say, “We don’t have any regulations for kicking him out. What reason do we give?” And they’ll say, “You don’t have to give a reason. UBS didn’t give any reason. If they can do it, you can do it.” So I wouldn’t be able to have a secure bank account anywhere in the world.

00:48 Tómasson So if you give in on this, you’d be persecuted all over the world?

00:52 Fischer Yes. That’s the point. They’ve already tried to criminalise me personally. Now they want to criminalise my money also—stigmatise the money.

01:11 Tómasson Could they do this in Iceland too?

01:13 Fischer Yes, they might try. And also you have your own banking problems. I was listening to the BBC a few months ago, and they’re talking about a meltdown of Icelandic banks. Whether that’s a possibility, I don’t know. But I should not be forced to put my money where I don’t want to put it.

01:56 Fischer UBS knows it’s illegal. They sent me a letter with an internet advertisement about their savings accounts. And in their own advertising literature, they say: “UBS—we will be with you throughout your life.” So they’re getting people to open accounts based on absolute security—money in the bank, a banking partner for life. And then they throw you out.

02:58 What assholes, what imbeciles. You can’t get any stupider than that.

[Commercial break in Icelandic: glassware shop, speed-reading school, self-service car wash, video-to-DVD transfer service, Jenny’s trousers, Italian coffee beans, royal-jelly honey, eyewear shop, tyre service, radiator manufacturer. Resumes at 07:44 with Tómasson reintroducing the segment in Icelandic.]

08:03 Tómasson UBS is a very big international bank.

08:12 Fischer One of the biggest in the world. On the Forbes list, I think they’re number 10. They have assets of $1.5 trillion. I think they have the most assets of any company in the world except Barclays Bank. And last year, they earned some $10,000,000,000 profit.

08:56 I believe having an account—a savings account at UBS—is an asset in itself. It has a monetary value. So if they want to deprive me of this right, they should pay me compensation.

09:37 My account manager was Peer von Flüe. She called me up some years ago, all excited: “It’s time to sell all the dollars.” I had been telling her for years I wanted to do that. So I sold all my US dollars and bought Swiss francs. At that time, the Swiss franc was about 1.85 to the dollar. Then it went all the way down to about 1.15. I made about a third of my money—over $1,000,000 profit—just on that one move.

10:36 The money I put into UBS was about $3,500,000 from my match with Spassky in 1992. I’ve been living on that since then. I’ve probably spent a couple of million dollars, but my assets haven’t gone down nearly that much. I’ve still got over three million Swiss francs left.

11:05 So I feel having this account is an asset in itself—it has a monetary value. You can’t put a number on it, but it has a value. So if they want to deprive me of this right to maintain my account there, they should pay me compensation.

11:30 Fischer If they want to kick me out in violation of the law, in violation of the banking rules, they should offer me compensation. When you want to break a contract, you have to pay. They just say, “Get out.” That doesn’t go.

12:03 They figured Fischer will be frightened—he doesn’t want to lose his money, he won’t argue. But what they fail to understand is I’ve already been robbed in the United States of all my belongings—a vast fortune worth hundreds of millions, even billions of dollars. So this is very small money for me compared to that. I’ve already been robbed of the big stuff.

12:41 And I want the whole world to know—especially I want countries like Iran to know about this. I know for a fact they’re doing a lot of business with Iran. They have affiliates there. UBS is doing billions of dollars of business with Iran. So I want Iran to hear this interview. Their money may not be safe in UBS.

13:08 Because I’ve said the Holocaust never happened—because it never did happen, it’s a lie—and the President of Iran has also said the Holocaust never happened.

13:40 Tómasson Because UBS acts under pressure from the United States.

13:44 Fischer Yes. Switzerland has a reputation for being independent, but this reputation is eroding now. I don’t say to Iran, take all your money out of UBS, but don’t put all your eggs in one basket. Be aware there’s a real risk.

14:00 Tómasson Bobby, you mentioned the bank has some intelligence or spy activity. In Iceland, we are talking a lot about eavesdropping now. Somebody has been listening to phone conversations of all sorts of people. It looks like that—and nobody knows who is behind this. What’s your comment on this? They have been talking about, for example, in the United States, that the Homeland Security and other intelligence institutions have programmes to eavesdrop on all sorts of things.

14:50 Fischer This eavesdropping of phone calls and emails, and bugging apartments—it’s rampant. Absolutely rampant, out of control. They want to listen to everything and even watch you with hidden cameras. And they do it. And now they’ve got the memory capacity to store all of it.

15:35 They could have every conversation I’ve ever had in a tiny little box.

15:42 Tómasson Since you came to Iceland, have you had any reason to believe the United States is still keeping an eye on you?

15:56 Fischer Well, I’m sure they’re listening to all of my phone calls. There’s no question. And they’re reading all my emails and SMS messages. But I think they’re doing that to everybody. Most people, they don’t bother to read it—they just store it. But in my case, I think they’re reading it and transcribing it. They may even be listening in real time while I’m talking, in addition to recording it.

16:37 Fischer I just want to get back to the last letter we sent to UBS. This is Reykjavík, August 18, 2006. This is point three: “We refer to documents listed as item four in your letter. For the sake of clarity, we have renumbered these documents as pages one, two and three, and these documents are enclosed with our letter. We have noticed that the following declaration in relation to UBS savings account can be seen on page two, our renumbering: UBS welcome for new clients. UBS will be with you throughout your life.” Unquote. “Our client is of the opinion that the above declaration by UBS clearly amounts to a promise and a guarantee by UBS that once a person opens a savings account at UBS, it is a permanent, lifelong savings account, not subject to being closed at UBS’s whim. Therefore, our client is of the opinion that said declaration by UBS, in and of itself, completely precludes UBS from unilaterally closing a client’s savings account without giving any reason or explanation.”

[Icelandic translation of the letter passage by Tómasson, then commentary that Fischer is having a hard time over money owed by one of the largest banks in the world.]

18:36 Tómasson But okay, Bobby. I would like to talk to you about the United States. An Icelandic former Foreign Minister, Jón Baldvin Hannibalsson, said that the foreign policy of the United States was terrible, and the people in government now are extremists.

19:24 Fischer They say the country is run by extremists now, which is true. But the country was founded by extremists. These Pilgrims were quite extremists themselves. They took the land from the American Indians, killed them off, gave them blankets infected with smallpox.

19:48 Tómasson So it begins with the foundation.

19:50 Fischer Yes. The whole country has always been an extremist country, an expansionistic, imperialist country.

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[Final segment of the final interview. Fischer discusses the film The Road to Guantánamo, reads the Vladimir Pozner passage about Taimanov and Gorbachev, and gives his most extended and affectionate assessment of Capablanca. He closes with his life in Iceland and concerns about North Korea.]

00:00 Tómasson You said you’d seen the film about Guantánamo?

00:12 Fischer Yes. There was a really terrible scene where they put one of the prisoners in a little cell and turn up the music—loud, really horrible music, blasting his ears for hours. And then a guard next to him, pushing him down, saying, “Confess that you’re Al-Qaeda.” It’s torture. Outright torture. And worse than torture—this will damage your hearing and even your brain. Very vicious and malicious and unforgivable.

01:07 The whole idea of interrogations is just a euphemism for torture. Because what if somebody brings you in to be interrogated, and you say, “No. I don’t want to be interrogated. I have the right to remain silent”? Then they’re going to beat you up and smash you. So this whole thing is just torture.

01:25 Tómasson I would like to talk about chess and maybe the chess of the past century. I was reading comments about your thinking in chess. There was a wonderful comment in a book by Vladimir Pozner.

02:09 Fischer Yes. This was from his book Parting with Delusions, 1990. He used to be the voice on Radio Moscow. Very unusual person. He didn’t speak Russian until his late teens. He was born in France, brought up in America. Left America when he was about fifteen, went to East Germany for a couple of years, didn’t come to Russia until about seventeen. But he’s a linguist—speaks several languages perfectly. He mastered Russian.

02:45 I used to listen to hundreds of his commentaries. He was on Radio Moscow for about eighteen years, almost every day. I never really knew who this guy was. I just knew he spoke perfect American English, and he had what sounded to me like a Jewish name.

03:06 Anyway, he wrote this book, and he said some very nice things. Can I read this?

03:22 Tómasson Yes, please.

03:26 Fischer This is from page 272 of Parting with Delusions.

03:30 “I remember Mark Taimanov, an international grandmaster and at one time a contender for the World Chess Crown, talking about losing his match with Bobby Fischer by the implausible score of six–zero. For those of you whose knowledge of chess is minimal, let me point out that a score of six–zero in a grandmaster match is on a par with one professional football team beating another by 100 to nothing. It was, in fact, such an unbelievable affront that the Soviet Chess Federation stripped Taimanov of his title as Grandmaster of the USSR.

04:53 “Later, when several other grandmasters were blitzed by Fischer in similar fashion, it was clear that this was no freak happening, and Taimanov’s Soviet grandmaster title was restored.”

05:21 “Describing his famous defeat at the hands of the future World Champion, Taimanov said: ‘When grandmasters play, they see the logic of their opponent’s moves. One’s moves may be better than one’s opponent’s, but you understand his reasoning. With Fischer, it was different. His moves did not make sense. At least, to all the rest of us, they didn’t. We were playing chess. Fischer was playing something else. Call it what you will. Naturally, there would come a time when we finally would understand what those moves had been about. But by then, it was too late. We were dead.’ ”

06:04 And then Pozner continues: “Gorbachev is that kind of a political player. No one understands his moves—not until it is too late. And that is why, in my opinion, he was able to rise through the echelons of power, through the Young Communist League, through the party ranks, up and up, all the way to the Politburo, and even be selected to the post of General Secretary. If anyone had been able to read his moves, he would have been stopped.”

[Fischer reads from page 272 of Vladimir Pozner’s memoir—its actual title is Parting with Illusions (Pozner with Brian Kahn; Grafton Books, 1990). The cover, the title page, and page 272 itself, reproduced from his website:]

07:20 Tómasson About the chess masters of the past century—who do you think is the greatest, apart from yourself?

07:40 Fischer Chess so much depends on opening theory. So the champions of the century before last didn’t know nearly as much about opening theory as I do and other players know. So if you just brought them back from the dead, they wouldn’t do well, because they’d get bad openings. But of course, if they learned the openings, which they would quickly, then they would be formidable.

07:58 My point is: you cannot compare the play. You cannot compare the actual games. You can only compare the talent, the natural ability. Because now there’s so much more opening theory, so much more memorisation. And memorisation is enormously powerful.

08:29 So some kid of fourteen today, or even younger, could get the opening advantage against Capablanca, or especially against the players of the previous century, from the 1900s—like Morphy and Steinitz and so on. He’d definitely get the opening advantage easily. But maybe they’d still be able to outplay the young kid of today—but maybe not, because nowadays when you get the opening advantage, not only do you get the opening advantage, but you know how to play the opening advantage, because they have so many examples of what to do.

09:05 That’s why I don’t like chess anymore. It’s very deadly now.

09:12 Tómasson You have said that before—the possibilities are limited.

09:19 Fischer But getting back to talent—I think Morphy and Capablanca had enormous talent. They’re two of my favourites. Steinitz was very great too. Alekhine was great, but I’m not a big fan of his. Maybe it’s just my taste.

09:38 Tómasson He’s considered one of the greatest.

09:39 Fischer Yes. I’ve studied his games a lot. But I much prefer Capablanca and Morphy.

09:47 Tómasson Is that because of some imagination?

09:54 Fischer Alekhine had a rather heavy style. Capablanca was much more brilliant and talented—he had a real light touch. Everybody I’ve ever spoken to who saw Capablanca play, they still speak of him with awe.

10:08 You could show him any position, they say, and instantly he would tell you the right move. Which I’m sure is an exaggeration, because they’re quite weak. They wouldn’t even know what the right move is if they saw it. But still, so many people say that—there has to be something to it.

10:20 I met a lot of people who knew him. When I used to go to the Manhattan Chess Club back in the 1950s, I met a lot of old-timers there who knew Capablanca, because he used to come around to the Manhattan Club in the 1940s, before he died.

10:38 And they just spoke about Capablanca with awe. It impressed me, because it wasn’t just one person. And I’ve never seen people speak about any chess player like that before or since.

11:00 Tómasson Well, they speak about you in that way. They do that in New York—the chess players who play outdoors in Washington Square, for example.

11:08 Fischer But Capablanca—he was really fantastic.

11:14 Even he, if you study him objectively, had his weaknesses. Especially when you play over his games with his notes—he would make idiotic statements like, “The rest, I played perfectly. The play could not be improved upon.” But then you play through the rest and you can improve on it. He said what he believed was the truth.

11:51 He really said what he felt. Which was wonderful. And he wanted to change the rules already back in the ’20s. He said chess was getting played out. And he was right.

12:04 Tómasson It’s even more so now.

12:07 Fischer Now it’s completely dead. It’s a joke. All just memorisation and prearrangement. A terrible game now. A very uncreative game now.

12:22 Tómasson So how are you spending your time in Iceland? Is it okay?

12:34 Fischer Yes. Very good. I’m having a really nice time. It’s a very quiet, low-key life here.

12:46 Tómasson You go to the shop, the bookstore—

12:50 Fischer Yes.

12:52 Tómasson How about the everyday people you meet?

13:02 Fischer They’re all friendly. I haven’t had anybody tell me, “I’m unhappy that you’re here.” Nobody.

13:09 Tómasson But you haven’t been travelling?

13:16 Fischer I haven’t left Iceland since I came here.

13:18 Tómasson Why is that? Do you think you could still be—

13:29 Fischer Possibly. It’s possible. There was a very unpleasant experience, to be kidnapped and treated like that.

13:43 If you see this movie, The Road to Guantánamo—there are scenes when prisoners give problems to the guards. Then they call some kind of stormtrooper types, heavily armed, body armour, helmets. About five of them come into the cell, beat them up, and take them away. They did the same thing to me several times. When I was in Ushiku Detention Centre, these people came with helmets and body armour—twice. That’s how they do it there too.

15:06 Tómasson So you don’t take the chance to travel abroad?

15:10 Fischer I will travel abroad. I’m just waiting until the right moment.

15:28 Fischer Can I say something about this North Korea situation? I’m very disappointed with China and Russia, especially with China. I don’t understand how they can stab North Korea in the back like this. I mean, don’t they know—after the United States takes care of North Korea and Iran and Iraq and Pakistan, then they’re going to go after the big countries. They’re going to go after India and China and Russia.

16:19 Tómasson So you think the Americans are just doing this to conquer the world?

16:27 Fischer Yes. Definitely. The Jews. I can’t understand why China is doing this. Maybe their leaders are bribed, or maybe they have tons of money in US banks, or maybe they’re CIA agents. Why they would turn against the Dear Leader in North Korea is beyond me.

16:50 Tómasson [Recaps in Icelandic: the news about the Swiss bank UBS—the closure of Fischer’s account was unauthorised; mentions Sæmi Pálsson and others coming forward; the Bandaríkin export system, Guantánamo bankers, and much more.] Bobby Fischer, it’s been a pleasure speaking to you. Thank you so very much for being here with us.

17:27 Fischer You’re welcome.

[Programme closes with Icelandic commercial breaks (Acer car dealership, Nikolai mail-order taxi service, the Pound Martial Arts Institute, and other local advertisements) running through to the end of the recording.]

A The Wills of Regina Fischer and Joan Targ ↑

[The twenty-two pages that Bobby Fischer posted on his website reproducing the wills of his mother, Regina Fischer, and his sister, Joan Targ, together with the covering letter from the Gilfix & La Poll law firm. Reproduced from the archived copy of his site.]

B The American Chess Journal ↑

[Fischer quotes the American Chess Journal at length—in particular its second issue (1993), with its “Fischer update” and the “Going Once” auction report. His website preserves scans of an earlier issue: the premiere issue (Number 1, 1992), whose cover announced “The Return of Bobby Fischer” and whose contents included Timothy Hanke’s long feature “Finding Bobby Fischer.” The cover, the contents pages, and pages 70–71 of that feature are reproduced below from the archived copy of his site.]

C Fischer’s Publishing Contracts ↑

[Fischer complains repeatedly that My 60 Memorable Games was reissued in a “forged” edition and that the Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess CD-ROM was produced “in violation of my contractual rights.” His website preserves the underlying agreements: the Simon & Schuster publishing agreement for My 60 Memorable Games, signed in 1968, and the agreement with Basic Systems, Inc. behind Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess. Both are reproduced below from the archived copy of his site.]

D Bobby Fischer’s US Passport ↑

[Fischer was detained in Japan in July 2004 and held for some nine months on the ground that his U.S. passport had been revoked—a claim he calls “a flat-out lie.” His website includes a scan of that passport, its pages covered with Japanese and Philippine immigration stamps from 2002–2003. It is reproduced below from the archived copy of his site.]